Directors Emily Chang and Dan De Lorenzo go behind-the-scenes of Humberville's Poetry Slam
In co-directors, Emily Chang and Dan De Lorenzo's hilarious new short film The Humberville Poetry Slam, an Asian American poet, Liberty Fu, decides to organize a local slam contest to find four poets who can help him represent their small town and win the National Poetry Slam.
The film recently premiered at the San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival (SFIAAFF) as part of a shorts program entitled Is it worth it? Lemme work it.
Humberville stars real-life slam poet and spoken word performer Giles Li, along with a terrific ensemble cast that includes Michael Barra, Christine Witmer, Emilie McDonald, Ndidi Oriji, Ben Prayz, Melanie Ryan, Francesco Saviano, Bruce Smolanoff, Ben Stumpf, and Chang. The film was produced by Shilpi Gupta, Chang and De Lorenzo, with cinematographer Matthew Jacobs and gaffer Ryan Minelli.
Taking a break from the film festival circuit, Chang and De Lorenzo joined in an online chat about the making of Humberville, the dubious Uncle Morty's Dub Shack, and the mystical character Maharaja Shaneeqa Savaasana LikeLike Wheatberry Lopez Chung jr.
(Note: The following Q&A was edited for brevity, readability and inappropriate content, which you can probably find on the Humberville Poetry Slam website in the near future.)
Ed: How did the idea for Humberville Poetry Slam come about?
Emily: Several ways. I used to be part of a spoken word group called "I Was Born with Two Tongues" back in 1997 through about 2003-ish. We were quite active in the performance poetry circuit, and we'd tour nationally so i was very much a part of the scene, met all sorts of people, etc. I attended a whole lot of open mics met a lot of really interesting, talented people and heard a lot of great poetry but there was (and always will be) also lots of bad poetry out there. I'm also an actress and producer, so the past few years, when i was feeling kind of annoyed with the types of roles that i kept getting -- the waitress, the immigrant, the 2nd generation girl "struggling between identity and traditional culture" etc.

Giles Li, Michael Barra and Christine Witmer
Ed: So you felt typecast?
Emily: Yes, as many Asian actresses do -- and as they always say, "If you want to do something, you've got to do it yourself." It clicked to me -- I had all these resources at my fingertips and knew how to write, how to produce, had all these actor and production friends. Why not just make that film that I wanted to be in? And more, why not write it about what I knew -- spoken word. A scene ripe with interesting characters and funny potential. So it was all kind of an experiment.
Ed: So when did you first begin developing the script? How did Dan get involved with the project?
Emily: I always had the idea in my head and had mentioned a few times before to Dan and Shilpi, offhandedly, but never really did anything til I visited Taiwan in November of 2007. I had sort of a "writing retreat" for something else I was working on and when I had writer's block, just started writing the character breakdowns as a distraction. I got super excited about it and sent it to Dan... who never looked at it for at least three or four weeks. When I got back, he finally opened his e-mail and was like... whoah, I guess we're gonna do this. Dan and I worked together at ImaginAsian TV. I had produced some segments he'd worked on, and we knew we had similar senses of humor and taste in film and TV that we weren't getting a chance to explore with our other work.
Ed: When did Shilpi come aboard? How did you get Giles Li to play Liberty Fu?
Emily: After Dan and I wrote for a while and developed the script, we brought Shilpi on board. She was a good friend of mine, and at the time, also my roommate, so that was convenient. Shilpi was a filmmaker who'd already accomplished a lot with her previous documentary short film
When the Storm Came which won several awards. I knew she'd be able to offer a lot to this project. I'd seen Giles perform at a slam, mocking the hackneyed cliches of the slam scene, and something clicked. I realized we were on the same page and I had to do some major convincing to get him to step outside the confines of "poet" and into "actor" and be willing to risk something, by making fun of himself, in a way.

Emily Chang directing on the set
Ed: Was he your first choice to be the main character? Did he do a lot of improv on the set or was it mostly scripted?
Emily: Yes, he was our first choice. Both. We had a script, and a very detailed breakdown of who Liberty was, where he grew up, etc. We had lots of discussions about the type of experiences Liberty had had, etc. And then within that framework, he also did a bunch of improv, which was great.
Ed: Dan, what was your initial reaction to this project and diving into the spoken word/slam scene?
Dan: I always thought that this was a great idea and it had endless comedic possibilities, which excited me. But it's true I really didn't know too much about the scene other than what Emily had told me, so she actually brought me to a bunch real spoken word open mics around NYC. I got a real feel for what it was like. Yeah, we heard some bad poetry, but I was surprised at how much good stuff I was hearing. She also sent me links to many great spoken word artists online like Saul Williams, Universes, and clips from Def Poetry Jam, so I actually ended up becoming a fan myself, and gained a lot of respect for these guys.
Ed: Had you planned to do it in mockumentary style all along or was that out of budgeting reasons and practicality?
Dan: We had always planned it as a mockumentary. We were both fans of Christopher Guest. From an acting standpoint, it allowed the actors a lot a room to improvise and give it a natural feel so it was an appealing format both for comedy and it's an actor's dream too.
Emily: All the actors we worked with, including myself, were super excited with the prospect of comedic improv on camera. We rarely get to do it. It's fun for our craft. It's like we handed them these extremely detailed and thought out characters in this funny little town, gave them a script, and then let them run with it. Many times we just kept the camera rolling since it was handheld, our cinematographer wanted to kill us, but those were some of the moments when the best stuff came out.
Ed: After watching the short at SFIAAFF, I felt like there was probably hours and hours of additional footage that wasn't used in the film? Was there going to be a feature?
Emily: Hahaa... there was never going to be a feature, but it's true that we had hours of unused, hilarious footage. We always say to ourselves that the large majority of the funniest stuff didn't make the final cut of the film because in the end we needed to still have a story.
Ed: What was the budget for the film?
Dan: Super low. We funded it on our credit cards and donations from our friends and family. The main way we saved money was by pulling in a million favors for crew, actors, and equipment -- everyone did it for free.
Ed: Emily, I heard that you cut most of the scenes featuring her character out of the film?
Emily: I did keep a small clip of myself during the slam as one of the poetry slammers.
Ed: I saw that. I also saw the exiled clips of you on Vimeo. So where did that character name Maharaja Shaneeqa Savaasana LikeLike Wheatberry Lopez Chung jr. come from? Are you really into yoga and meditation?
Emily: Oh wow... you saw that?
Ed: I think you were doing yoga poses and playing an instrument.
Emily: The character name was just something random and made up, but definitely comes from the poetic process that many artists/poets have of determining the many names they go by. By the way, a common "practice" on the scene is that people give themselves stage names or monikers, etc. So that's where that came from, as I figured maharaja felt "descended" from many different cultural backgrounds. She was a "leecher" of cultures, so to speak. I do [practice] yoga.
Ed: The bit about making "life smoothies" was hilarious.
Emily: Yeah, i was sad to cut that out. Everyone deserves a little life smoothie.
Ed: What was the main reason you cut it out?
Emily: Honestly, for time. We were trying to get it down to under 15 minutes and I always say I'm my worst critic. It was much easier to just get rid of my character altogether than to cut out any of the other ones. I still had fun doing it. I figured I'd save it for the DVD extras.
Ed: Would you ever consider putting out a longer director's cut? Or extended version?
Dan: We always joke about putting out the two-hour cut with everything we like in it, but we will probably have a slightly longer one with Emily back in, along with some other goodies.
Ed: I think there's a universe in cyberspace where you could do that. Are there plans for the film after playing the festival circuit?
Dan: Yeah, but would anyone want to watch it besides me and emily? The next step would probably be looking for some sort of distribution, most likely online.
Ed: But there were some hilarious characters. Michael Barra as Fetid was awesome.
Dan: There aren't very many outlets for short film besides online and fests. Yes...Michael. He's amazing. I first met him when he came in to audition for my previous short film Pumpkin Boy and he starred in that and he was fantastic. I've been working with him ever since, so when I heard emily's idea for the Fetid character, I knew he'd be perfect and she agreed. We were very lucky with many of our actors.
Ed: The film takes place in Humberville. Where is that?
Dan: It's funny -- many of our audience members were convinced that Humberville was a real place! It's an entirely made up town "somewhere in middle America," although, there is actually a Humberville, France. Our Humberville, we pictured somewhere near Indiana or something. We constructed our fictional town from the East Village in NYC and parts of New Jersey and put Emily's elementary photoshop skills to work.
Ed: Now I recall you mentioning that at one point Liberty Fu wasn't the main character, but rather the Ben Stahl character that was played by Ben Prayz.
Emily: We had always wanted the non-poet to be the actual hero, but Liberty's character was just so fun to listen to and watch and as we were watching all the footage we realized it was Liberty's story. We realized that Liberty wasn't so much the "bad guy" we originally thought he was. He was the protagonist/antagonist flawed with the "hubris" of overconfidence that many poets have, but as we watched the footage we saw that he was really the heart of the movie. Giles did a great job of making him like-able even though he was such an untalented jerkface. Haha... sorry, he's kind of this untalented loser with big dreams and you really root for that. Ben was great, too. There was this whole B-story with Ben and his wife, but that also got cut out for time -- in the original cut, we follow all the characters at the end so you see what everyone ended up doing a few months later. In the final cut, we only kept Ben and Liberty's epilogues. The point was to show that everyone else in Humberville, after going to the slam, had somehow "achieved their dream" in their own eyes, except for Liberty, who was the original one who'd wanted glory in the first place.
Ed: Do you think having Liberty/Giles in the lead helped get the short selected for SFIAAFF or would it have made been selected without Liberty being such a focal point?
Emily: Do you mean Giles as an Asian or as a well known poet?
Ed: Both... but also as an Asian American character.
Dan: I think it helped that Giles was really a (very talented) poet, because it helped the whole thing ring true and I'm sure it helped to have an Asian lead in terms of getting into the festival, but beyond that, half our crew behind the camera was also Asian American.
Emily: I am Chinese /Taiwanese American. Shilpi, our producer, is Indian, and Dan is Filipino -- just kidding. But "De Lorenzo" sounds like it could be though.

Humberville Slam Poet
Ed: What is your ethnicity Dan? Interesting, the film is very much multi-ethnic.
Emily: He is a colonizer. Dan is Italian American. Very important for me to have a multi-ethnic cast /crew, as all my friends are.
Ed: Ndidi Oriji was also excellent in an uptight character role.
Dan: Yes! Ndidi's awesome. She was a friend of Emily's. She is actually a lawyer and an improv comedian by night. So it was a no-brainer.
Ed: She's really a lawyer?
Dan: Yes! If you look at the books in the background of the set during her talking head they are actually her law books, which we forced her to lug in to the set. All 500-lbs of them, you know, trying to lend "authenticity."
Ed: I liked the bit about her journals.
Emily: Yea. I'm an avid journaler, so it was funny to me to make this woman so tightly wound and an overachiever that she would be competitive even with journaling.
Ed: How long did it take to shoot the film? And I have to ask Dan about his IMDB credits on Uncle Morty's Dub Shack?
Dan: We shot the film in four days for principal photography then two for B-roll and a summer to edit. Uncle Morty's Dub Shack is the show that I got hired on at Imaginasian TV. It was very fun. I worked with two really funny guys, Jimbo Matison and Trevor Moore of the sketch comedy group Whitest Kids U Know. Trevor just released a movie called Miss March. Anyway it was great fun working with those guys and we basically just re-dubbed old Asian B-movies and kung fu flicks with our own dialogue. It's very silly. Check some out on YouTube, it was compared to that old show Mystery Science Theater 3000 by SF Chronicle.
Ed: Do you two have anything else you'd like to share with readers, or maybe some inspiring words for Asian American Filmmakers dreaming up their first short film?
Dan: First, I'll say that SFIAAFF was my first experience bringing a film to a fest and it was a lot of fun and I'm really happy with the way the audience reacted. I think they liked it and it made all the work worthwhile and I look forward to taking it around to as many festivals as we can.
Ed: Was that the first large audience to see the film?
Dan: It was! We had showed it to friends and stuff but that was the first large audience and also the first time we had seen it on the big screen. We had also screened it with a test audience of about 20 people. All film students.
Emily: I don't feel like I'm really in a position to give advice, but if i had to, not so much for Asians, but for filmmakers in general, I'd say the lesson I learned was I had to stop just thinking about what I wanted to do and just get my [expletive deleted] together and DO it. Once I planned it out and got things going, it all came together.
Dan: As for the Italian readers, my advice is: cook spaghetti and meatballs as often as possible... always al dente... and meet a Chinese poet... and all your dreams will come true.
Ed: Awesome. So when can we expect to see that 90-minute or two-hour feature version online?
Dan: As soon as we get back to NYC, we're on that. Hoping we can get it up in the next couple of months or so.
Ed: Great! Maybe it can be a webisode series.
Dan: That'd be fantastic. There is a particular "dirty scat" song that Mike Barra sings [that we can't print here] but I think will be successful with online viral audiences.
For more about The Humberville Poetry Slam, you can go to: www.humberville.com