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Joe Jordan is a man with a mission. Working on UFO reports as part of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) led him to additional stories of alien abduction. Coming in the door as an agnostic, he worked the cases like any other field investigator and eventually formed CE-4 Research in Florida to concentrate on these cases.
If you have not yet read part one of this story, you can read that piece here.
As his investigation into reported alien abduction continued, Jordan was cautioned by a colleague to be armed - a reference to Biblical study, which he followed up on and became a Christian himself. Following a vision he received during an intensive Biblical training session, he took a second look at witness testimony already reviewed. What startled Jordan - something he had heard, but overlooked in his original investigation - was the fact that some witnesses had revealed how they had ended both a current abduction and any future abductions.
They invoked the name of Jesus Christ.
A follow-up with ufologists from around the country revealed that he was not alone in his findings. Others who had gone before him had discovered similar testimony, but had overlooked it because they either did not know what to do with it, or they were afraid of hurting their research image.
But now word was out. One local newspaper interview with a Gannett publication moved the story out to a wide audience. And the story was posted on web sites - like Flying Saucer Review. Jordan's phone calls suddenly took on a national, rather than local, flavor.
While Jordan's findings may not be universal, he did find enough witnesses where the evidence can be considered repeatable.
"We have repeatability," he said. "And MUFON stresses repeatability." But somehow, he said, it's the "most hated subject in ufology."
Jordan explained that within ufology there is a split. On one side you may have Christians who are very positive about the research, but an opposing group - highly connected with the new age and the metaphysical - that are against these ideas.
Photo: Joe Jordan, left, with David Ruffino in Roswell.
But Jordan has managed to work succesfully within and around UFO organizations - and build his Christian ideas privately as CE-4 Research. In fact, Jordan's management of and participation in this year's first ever Christian UFO-alien symposium at Roswell, NM - marks the third successive year in a row that he has presented annually at a Roswell conference.
Results have not always been the best.
While Jordan stressed he brings repeatability to the symposium - live witnesses - "Each time you open it up to Q&A, they never question the evidence. They want to attack you on your belief system. I saw this talk after talk."
"I brought the evidence," he said. "What do they bring? Heresay pictures and videos. I brought a stage full of living experience that they can touch, smell, talk to these people. Don't trust me. Trust the evidence."
But Jordan pointed out that the attacks came.
"The attacks came on us as Christians," he said. "How dare we bring religion to this phenomena." He said the witness testinony was never questioned. But not everyone attacked Jordan and his ideas. Two ufology researchers seemed to be interested. "They realized that if even one of these cases is real, this is something that must be looked at. I give them credit for going that far."
Photo: Roswell UFO conference featured witness testimony.
Another researcher, Jordan said, got the chance to see a woman who he had originally worked with, who ended her abductions by invoking the name of Jesus Christ. The researcher kept saying, "You are so different from when I knew you before. He was seeing the change in her - recognizing it - he was so fascinated because he saw something so different."
Fallen Angels
But who are or what exactly are the Fallen Angels that Joe Jordan believes could be the source of what is commonly refered to as aliens?
The answer is not simple, but Jordan explains from a Biblical perspective that God created the Cherubs - the highest order - and then the angels. Satan, he said, was created as a Cherub. The translation of angel - is messenger. In scripture, he said, there are encounters between angels and humans. They describe their purpose as communicators with man, to share a message.
But within the angels, there was at one time a "galactic rebellion," he said. There was a "force that turned against the good side and became the dark side - led by Lucifer - who wanted to be like God. He was jealous, envious. And envious of Man's creation."
Jordan explained further.
"We know that the ability of the angels can manifest from spiritual to physical," he said, "the ability to appear to transform - pass through objects - and you see all of the earmarks as the so-called aliens.
Photo: Joe Jordan, left, with David Ruffino in Roswell.
"Then you tie it into the idea that they have to respond to the name of Jesus Christ. Why do we feel that we're dealing with angels and not demons? Demons don't have the same abilities as angels. Demons are more of a possession. We don't see possession. We see deception. They are jealous of man and their purpose is to deceive."
Of the hundreds of witnesses Jordan has interviewed, nearly 70 have allowed their testimony to be public. He said that helping these people is his main concern, and the research is secondary. But, he said, "if they allow their testimony to be public, that's a plus" as it may help others.
There is currently a secondary project started where this public testimony is being recorded. "It's one thing to read these testimonies," he said, "but another thing to hear the inflection in their story. It's fascinating." Now the stories are coming in from other researchers.
Alien abduction start-up
But how does the alien abduction experience come about? Jordan believes there are three ways.
First, he said, you have the person who has heard about alien abduction, and says, "Man, I'd like to have that experience." But, Jordan warns, "be careful what you ask for. People have openly asked for the experience."
"Second, is where people have unknowingly opened doors that they didn't realize moved into the paranormal and occult - dabbling in areas that were ungodly.
"Third, we have adults that have said, 'I've had this experience since I was a child.' And a child isn't quite knowledgeable enough to know that a door can be opened." In these cases, Jordan said, there may have been a demonic force that was unknowingly brought into the household because the head of the household was not aware they were leading their family in that direction.
Educating the church
The upcoming Christian UFO-Alien symposium this July in Roswell, Jordan said, is a conference to educate the church.
Photo: Joe Jordan, center, with UFO Hunters hosts.
"If you look at the statistics on this," he said, "the polls, the research shows that probably 5 million people have had this type of experience. That's huge. In the church, that's called a mission field - and it's an untouched mission field. They turn a blind eye to it. They're wrongly taught. There's a lack of knowledge on what they're dealing with. We've spent the time. Done the ground work. We want to equip them. You have a lot of hurting people out there."
Changing the human mindset is what the whole experience is about.
"That's the purpose of the experience itself," he said. "The whole UFO experience is about changing the mindset. It will change your views. It changes their perception of reality - takes you away from the one true God. In this great war, the prize, is your soul. If he can take your focus away from the one true God, you're doomed. We're dealing with a star wars that's way past the movie."
Book of Enoch
Jordan recommends looking at the Bible's Book of Enoch. "It describes this whole relationship with these angels before the flood of man. They were seducing man with technology - the science of divination, astrology, the science of weaponry.
But beyond dealing with fallen angels, does Joe Jordan believe there is life elsewhere in the universe?
"Absolutely not," he said. "There's a reason for the stars and the planets - a reason God gave us the entire universe - so that we would be in awe. All of this was created for us. If you comprehend this, that this was made just for me, wouldn't this make you a better person?
"This is what the enemy is trying to take away from us."
Comments
Hey Joe,
Well, we'll hope and pray that the naysayers that wrote on after part one will see a bit more. I hate it when people pass judgment before they know the full story. God Bless
For those who MIGHT want to see or hear the testimonials of the people who have been through and overcome this go to www.ce4research.com. You will also be able to hear the talk Joe Jordan and Dave Ruffino did in Roswell at the 2008 Roswell UFO Conference. If you want to see and hear the responces of the secular researchers, (who you rely on to give you the truth), to the talk we did you can order the full conference DVD package. Do you really dare to look at all the evidence? We have. Lets bring ALL the pieces of the UFO puzzle to the table to see what the true picture looks like. We can't just pic and choose the pieces, they ALL must be laid out in fairness. And if it paints a picture we may not like or want, so be it, at least we can say it was done honestly and objectively.
For further information, visit
www.projectworldevacuation.com
Or Not.
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Yo Joe, Yo Dave,
I watched your DVD and it rocked hardcore.
Any1 else who wants to see it can go to
www.alienresistance.org/ce4conference.htm
Or listen to it on www.ce4research.com
Keep up the good work, man!
-Paradox
Or Not.
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I liked the audio of your DVD I found on ce4research.com, you are offering hope and a reality of peace and protection to those in pain. Thank you. I wish more people would be open-minded enough to look at the honest facts and evidence.
God Bless You guys,
-Paradox
"Aliens live in our Earth's atmosphere"
For the first time in human history, I present here incontrovertible evidence of existence of hundreds of thousands of UFO in the Earth's atmosphere, which can be seen by any person in any part of the world at any time. ..
This article on internet was discussed with great interest for one hour on a radio talk show (www.wzbc.org). 03/14/2009
As a Christian and a UFO buff, I have to voice some concern about Dave's conclusions. I happen to believe in life elsewhere in the universe. I don't see why God would create other thinking beings beyond where we can meet each other. There is nothing in scripture against it.
Also the fact that the invocation of Christ's name doesn't mean that the phenomenon is spiritual. It could just as easily be a psychological/medical issue. I myself suffered from sleep paralysis periodically as a child and I found praying about it helped.
Power of True Faith? If you truly believe, it can work? If not they can not be stopped? A Priest who's faith is not strong enough can not exercise demons, we've heard this right? Also if demons are fallen angels, I don't know. But it is said that if you invite the Devil in he is much harder to get rid of. Just a thought. I'm trying to be open minded. Just the mention of Jesus Christ is not true faith. You can perhaps do all the invoking you want, but without true faith your not a true believer, you have too many doubts(weed out the negative thoughts) It's not easy. When you truly believe, it has a feeling and essence about it, almost a static like hum that you can feel through everything, you link mentally and physically with your surrounds. You can then start doing things how you think it as you think it in the ever present now. True faith is very hard to achieve at the on set of trying, no matter how hard you try it can not just make you believe, faith can take time to get. You have to feel it in the whole essence of what is you and everything all at once. A oneness , nothing less. It gets deep folks! I teach Chinese Gung-Fu and other types of Martial Arts (44 years). I have saw two of my Instructors mentally be able to move objects and affect things mentally. I studied as they did, how they thought etc.... It was months with hours of everyday practice before I could do even the slightest thing they were doing. As soon as I was able to do this, I knew it was me doing it(I felt the connection), but yet I instantly had the over powering thought this is impossible. I was instantly unable to do it once this happened. It took me another three months of constant hours a day to over come this doubt. Lots of work! Once I over came this doubt mentally, I was able to do it at will. If at times I doubted it, then I was unable to do it. Negative people will try to undo your faith, lose them! They are no help to you. Think as you want, to me that was the Power of my Faith. Look in the Bible Matthew 17:20 and Mark 11:23. A positive way of thinking can go a long ways, it will depend on you as to how far it goes. I like the results I have done with it. It doesn't matter if I'm believed here or not, my thoughts required a faith in whatever way you want to think of it. It worked for me and I like the abilities it gave me, my students have also had success. If you can't do anything with your faith it isn't true faith as I know it. Sorry folks, it how I've experienced it. When I was younger I had many troubles with the supernatural, I used my thoughts to think of them as gone, and unable to affect me. I had no more troubles. Years of troubles gone! If you dwell on spirits etc... you invite them, it's perhaps how possession may start. If you believe in spirits and think of spirits they will come. Be careful what you wish for(dwell on). I don't have answers for everyone. It worked for me, and if it's not broke do try to fix it. This maybe understood by some. An old proverb: The wise man questions himself, while fools questions others. A little insight from me...it helps to ask yourself ... How is it that I can not?
C.H.
We who have seen or believe in UFO's get criticism from all walks of life, of religions or religious people, organizations, or beliefs at times. I think I have a fair question here: Who has seen God? How is it you believe in what you have never seen or have the same problems proving it exists. No pictures or video? Yet we believe in God etc. Why is that? Who has seen God and why doesn't he just show himself to the whole world in a way no one can doubt his existence. Just end all the guess work about God and the Bible. People ask why don't UFO's, Aliens just come land on the White House lawn, they don't so they are not real! It hurts don't it! Walk in our shoes more before deciding if we are crazy and or lying. Then read your own Bible, it does mention that all things are possible, that everything that can be thought of already has been done. (It does say "where" either, who or what has done it) ****Well I do believe in God, to me I can feel the connection, but I can't prove it. So don't be so ready to jump on us that say we saw what we saw, I have not seen God but that has not changed my beliefs in him either. C.H.
Be they aliens or demons,I think that are not up to any good. Whoever they are, they are not here for our benifit.
Addressing Jim's conclusions I have to say that the question isn't really if there is life on other planets. The question concerns the beings who are coming here claiming that they are from other planets. What is their message? What do they have to say about the current state of affairs?
The truth is that the message of the beings that call themselves extraterrestrial is always theosophy. They accept every religion and/or philosophy other than biblical Judaism and biblical Christianity. That is because just about every other religion fits into the theosophical mold. The aliens (fallen angels) go out of their way to discredit the Bible and especially Jesus Christ by claiming that he is less than He Himself claimed. When you see this, and the effect that the Name of Jesus, and specifically a sold out relationship with Jesus has there can be no doubt that what is true is that these entities are the enemies of Jesus Christ and all of His followers, and to any Jewish person who takes the Tanakh seriously. The only people who have a hard time seeing this are the people who do not want to receive it. But, the people who have found peace and freedom by coming to Jesus Christ in faith countermand the speculations of those who are skeptics and doubters. Their lives are testimonies of the truth, and you can choose to believe them or doubt them, that is your free choice, but what will be the true cost of that doubt and belief? Well, I know what that cost will be, but if I posted it you wouldn't believe it so I'll not bother to post it. I will say however that it more horrible than you can even imagine. We're always in prayer that the doubters and skeptics of Jesus Christ will have the scales fall off of their eyes so that they can see the truth.
Quote "Jordan recommends looking at the Bible's Book of Enoch. "It describes this whole relationship with these angels before the flood of man. They were seducing man with technology - the science of divination, astrology, the science of weaponry."
Perhaps Jorden could tell us just where in the Bible this book is?
That article is a load of drivel!
Check this out, even the aliens don't like Jesus Christ, ironic :) (not)
I don't know if osmodia realizes that this is an article written about Joe Jordan, not an article written by Joe Jordan. I know Joe. Joe knows that Enoch is not in the Bible. It is obviously a typo by the author. This is the kind of stuff that happens when people don't read the article in its entirety and they just jump to conclusions. So again we have a commentator who makes snap judgments without researching the facts. No wonder this world is so messed up, it is filled to the brim with people who put opinion before knowledge. Amazing how people act when they run from the truth.
the reason invoking jesus name halts abduction is simple. the person BELIEVES heart and soul in jesus, there by empowering THEMSELVES. if i wanted to stop one of my abductions and i truly believed in santa all i would need is to cry out for santa clause to help me. of course the jolly guy wouldnt do anything, but my pure belief in him would! you want to stop your abduction? believe in YOURSELF and the fact that you can stop it ....just you. empower yourself and you dont need to cry out for anyone elses help.
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