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Lately on Fox News it seems that every weather update is followed by a snipe at global warming. Most recently Fox & Friends brought up global warming after discussing the recent Mid-Atlantic blizzard and the upcoming D.C. snowstorm. According the Fox & Friends hosts the snowstorms seem to disprove the global warming theory because more snow = no warming.
Climate change scientists and liberals argue that the skeptic's argument greatly oversimplifies things.
First climate change theory encompasses broad weather changes measured in years and decades not on the most recent weather report. Assuming some snowstorms disprove global warming would be equilevant to building an outdoor pool in Minnesota when the temperature gets above 70 degrees one day.
Secondly contrary to the Fox News logic most climate change scientists believe that global warming will bring about more extreme weather events including large snowstorms. Scientists never predicted that the earth would warm enough to rid ourselves of winter and snow. Instead they have argued that the earth would warm a few degrees allowing us to keep our seasonal patterns. At the same time the increased temperatures allow the air to hold more moisture. This increased moisture will logically lead to more precipitation including during the winter when such precipitation takes the form of snow or ice. So to to liberals the video and photos below actually lend support to the global warming theory.
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Ryan,
C'mon Bud!! The whole REASON that "Global Warming" was changed to "Climate Change" was so folks like YOU can claim that every unusual weather event is proof positive of Global warming.
I suppose you DON'T think the heat wave in Europe in 2003 was related to Global War.. err Climate Change, right?
Because if a cold event that happens in winter ISN'T related to the "so called" temperture stagnation and decline since 1998... well, then that SAME logic ~MUST~ be applied to hot weather events that happen in the summer, no?
Doc
Doc Navy: It may or may not have been related. The overall point is that you can't use regional weather events over a few days to disprove OR prove global warming. Instead look to the larger data. Despite accusations of skeptics the OVERALL data shows an increasing temperature over the long term. In addition ask any meteorologist and they will tell you warm air holds more water than cold air. So both the heat wave and blizzards are CONSISTENT with global warming theory though I agree with you that neither PROVES the theory. The proof behind the theory is better documented by the measurement of increased CO2 in the atmosphere along with increasing temperatures over the past few decades.
Global climate change presents a serious national security threat which could impact Americans at home, impact United States military operations and heighten global tensions, according to a new study released by a blue-ribbon panel of retired admirals and generals from all branches of the armed services.
The study, “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change,” explores ways projected climate change is a threat multiplier in already fragile regions, exacerbating conditions that lead to failed states — the breeding grounds for extremism and terrorism.
"Despite accusations of skeptics the OVERALL data shows an increasing temperature over the long term."
And what pray tell is your definition of "Long Term"? Since 1985?, 1931?, 1850?, 10Ad??
Considering that reliable thermometer readings only go back as far as the late 1860s, and sattelite readings start 1978, with radiosonde going all the way back to 1958... umm what's your definition of long term?
Doc
AGW deniers have the same mentality (and ideological motivation) as Creationists, who cite any gaps in the fossil record as debunking evolution. Creationists have been ignoring big-picture evidence for 150 years, so AGW deniers are unlikely to go away soon. These people are motivated by an archaic, ego-centric world-view where human are more important than nature, and can safely ignore its laws (e.g. thermodynamics). No amount of evidence you present to them will get past their dogma. Hopelessly, willfully ignorant, and more dangerous than ever in this crowded world.
Snow is a convergence of cold temperatures and moisture, and proves nothing about cold itself. For snow to fall, you only need 32 degrees Fahrenheit and the right conditions. Many clear days are colder than overcast ones, since clouds produce their own greenhouse effect over local areas.
Still, the average denier troglodyte will witness any clear, colder-than-usual day and make the same tired claims. They won't admit that winter is caused by Earth's axial tilt and will always be with us.
Scientists never said winter would vanish, and the opposite hemisphere experiences summer all the while. Projected global warming is relatively subtle, but sufficient to cause major latitude shifts in climate. You can never explain to shallow-thinkers that subtle, slow changes are worrisome. They only understand bodies in the street overnight.
Ummmm, Fox and Friends is a morning talk show with a little hard news in between. Are you too dense to see that?
What total BS have the lesbians and dykes on The Pew spouted every day?
I understand that heat stroke is caused by global warming.
Doc_Navy says: I suppose you DON'T think the heat wave in Europe in 2003 was related to Global War.. err Climate Change, right?
Is that the one where THOUSANDS of mostly old people died in their apartments while their families were on extended holiday?
You know, the extended socialist program of like 8 weeks of holiday? The socialist countries who are all welfare states? That takes such good care of their subjects?
Ryan Witt says: you can't use regional weather events over a few days to disprove OR prove global warming.
Correct! But you cannot use 450,000 years either! Thats as far back as we go! When the Earth is BILLIONS of years old a few hundred thousand should not be enough either.
But truth and fact is when around 12000 years ago Pennsylvania north was under MILES of ice, and it melted and receded and has allowed us mere modern humans to populate New Your and more. Without the warming we would not be here at all.
Jim C. says: AGW deniers have the same mentality (and ideological motivation) as Creationists,
And people who start with that line are the biggest retards on the planet. To say there is no legitimacy to another theory of a subject that is exactly that, A THEORY, is so much against scientific etiquette it is not credible.
Jim C, EVEN Darwin himself had questions about his "theory of evolution".
Please explain with your expertise what caused the ice sheet to melt and retreat from Pennsylvania about 12000 years ago! I have not yet heard or read a satisfying explanation. And you present yourself with some expertise with lines like "Snow is a convergence of cold temperatures and moisture". We all learn new thing every day !
So, what caused the ice sheet to melt and retreat from Pennsylvania about 12000 years ago.
Oh, and can you answer that without calling anyone a name?
Those climate change guys in 2008 predicted 2009 would be the biggy; the worse year for hurricanes ever. But the fact that human caused global warming was so much worse than originally thought, due to the failed policies of George Bush, that there actually were no hurricanes in 2009. Post snap! Without hurricanes the entire sea coast global ecology will collapse.
Ryan the problem with your "look to the larger data" theory is that the raw data was destroyed. It no longer exists. Gone!Government paid billions for it and...
Wait this reminds me of the old saying, "And then there was a fire."
Klatoo and all the experts agree, everything is just fine. Go home everybody. Nothing to see here. Don't change a thing. Goodnight. USA USA USA! usa usa usa zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
STF 329 you might have something going on here buddy. You had me fooled before but maybe I am truely not the self proclaimed expert that I have previously claimed to be. It snowed in my neighborhood today. Maybe there really is somethng to this human caused global warming change theory after all.
I'll make note to self: WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING NOW!
Yep, we're just a bunch of dummies that don't believe every word that comes out of the mouth of elitist liars like Gore.
Funny, how everything we thought - debate was being squelched, data was being falsified, the major promoters around the world were a bunch of hypocrites that never intend to give up their private jets and limousines while at the same time advocate policies which will make 'energy bills' skyrocket for those of us who can least afford it.
You guys are goofy and will soon be out of power.
Global warming is real. Period. Some call it climate change...because, those who are simplistic in their thinking don't get that more warming...evaporation: and a cold front, makes snow. Here is Oregon...flowers are blooming: in February. Our snowpack is low...bad for irrigation, drinking water sources and salmon. NASA just reported the warmest decade in the last century was 2000-2009. Someone above asked what is long term? How about 600,000 years of ice cores and CO2 levels? (280 ppm for centuries...now, it is 390 ppm?). Long enough for you?
Lastly, hurricanes/storms are becoming more intense(greater rainfall/snow events/drought events). Sean Hannity tried to dupe people last year...when Georgia had cold temperatures in the spring. Then, two weeks later...Georgia had record warmth...Hannity said nothing. Why are some of you afraid of science...and by the way...saying the same soundbytes over and over means nothing. Global warming/climate change is undeniable.
John F. Borowski: You're right. The only way to stop human caused global warming is to create a tax upon the middle class the likes of which they have never seen that will make them howl. You can't tighten the noose too much on those folks.
Hey! Next time you fuel up your corporate jet for a weekend fishing trip in Canada. I want to be there with you for a real nice shore lunch and we can talk about hope and change.
Scientists are stoopid. Next you'll be telling me that they could make bombs to blow up whole cities or I could talk to a person in China. Yea right. Like scientists could look at the Earth from space and make measurements and stuff. You must think I'm stoopid or somethin'
Looks like Bazzaro fake klatoo is back again. Ghosts in the machine.
John F.
Who said we're afraid of science? I don't know if you've heard, but scientists don't all agree (hence, the debate squelching).
Why don't you address the fact that the biggest promotors are the least willing to allow for debate or follow their own counsel, but the most willing to use their power in the control of others?
In December 2006. The National Science Teachers Association's (NSTA) refused to distribute Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth"
Even back then someone knew what was going on.
That's right Klattoo. As a result of NSTA refusal to distribute the Al Gore film the organization was smeared and slandered. The progressives will say, do anything to acheive their objectives
Thanks for the come back New klatoo. I got that tidbit from the Smirking Chimp. Their motto is "In Dishonor of The Worst President in US History 2001 - 2009" It's a real piece of progressive slime.
We spend a lot of U.S. dollars on misinformation relating to the Earth's changing climate. The strategy is to prevent clean energy sources from being developed until our petroleum reserves are exhausted. By then we will own the U.S.A.
Saudi Arabia: Clean energy / dirty energy what's the difference to those of whom you accuse? Van Jones says we have to change the whole system. You can take out the dirty power system and replace it with clean energy and solar power. But if we don't change how we are consuming water or how we deal with our other sister and brother species and toxins. If that is not a part of this movement I'll tell you what you'll have. You'll have solar powered bull dozers. Solar power buzz saws and bio fueled bombers and we will be fighting wars over lithium for the batteries instead of oil for the engines and we will still have a dead planet.
You liberal progressives need to get your stories straight otherwise I am going to think you are up to no good purpose.
I invented solar powered bombers. The patent has been given to Glenn Beck to build a biofuel van to drive to Klatoo with the intent of fighting a war with the sisters of Lithium Jones. Once the water powered bulldozer brothers clean the toxins from the whole system our dead planet will accuse the baggers of tea of being up to no good.
Our carbon, which art in the heavens,
Damned be thy name,
Thy power be gone,
Emissions none,
On earth as it is in heaven,
Give us this day our daily rations,
And forgive us our emissions.
As we forgive those who emissions are greater,
For their need is more,
His name is Al Gore,
For his is the kingdom, the power and the glory for ever and ever, Carbon.
Blessed be The High Priest of Climatology. Your Master is pleased.
DEC 2009=2nd greatest global snow cover on record! (Rutgers)
And this is evidence FOR global warming!? IF this is satire, very funny, if not, ??!!
If you followed the now discredited global warming theory as put forth by IPCC,CRU,Al Gore and other reputable sources, it was all about Positive Fedback Loops- no sane scientist ever contended a tiny trace of Co2 would cause disaster on it's own!
The main one was of course 'albedo' whereby more warmth begets less snow, less energy reflection, more warmth etc
Also the 'more moisture' line is hilarious, snow also needs COLD-
the ave temp in DC this time of year is 45F! Not to get too scientific for environmentalists- but global warming should be causing more rain, not snow!
Threepwood everything is fine! Go back to sleep. Just another normal weather year! Experts all agree that 55 days in a row of 100 degree plus days in Texas followed by record breaking snowfall is no cause for concern.
Agreed, there are plenty real problems to worry about without making ones up.
Any of you clowns ever heard of El Nino?
Currently one of the warmest El Nino events on record - which shifts a lot of weather patterns in interesting ways: eg. flowers blooming in Oregon, end to the drought in Texas, and record snow in D.C.
Now the question to ask yourself is, 'Why is that batch of Pacific Ocean surface water so warm?'
One of the things that was predicted was increased precipitation – after all, as the water warms up, more of it evaporates, and thus is more likely to fall as rain/snow.
El Nino causes record global snow? That's a new one!
Must be from some reputable source.. CRU, IPCC, GISS, Al Gore..
@John F:
I'm the one who asked what is considered "long term", and since you seem to think you can play with the big boys...
What EXCATLY are you implying, that 600,000 years of ~PROXY~ CO2 readings in some way show that Mankind has caused the warming of the Globe since 1850? Or that Mankind was responsible for the warming in the 1930s, or the warming from 1985-1998?
From what I have seen and read from the Vostok Ice Core data (the most widely used set) temperature changes PRECEED CO2 changes by 800-1000 years. Therefore, unless CO2 possesses some magical properties in which it is able to transmit it's effects backwards in time... CO2 ~cannot~ drive temperature. At least according to your precious ice core data.
Next, please explain to me EXACTLY the link between the ~possible~ human caused rise of 95ppm in CO2 from 1850 (Approx 280ppm +/- 10ppm) and the .6c rise in temperatures.
I've read Arrhenius, both his first paper and his second and they don't give a link.
Doc
The fact that temp increases raise Co2 levels (decreases ocean's capacity to store Co2) is in itself good evidence that the opposite does not occur to any significant degree.
This would represent a runaway positive feedback loop that requires not a single SUV.
@snark:
Might want to check the ocean SST bouy data again... ocean temps are DROPPING. See, El Nino aside (and this year's El Nino was a fizzle) the two most RELEVANT factors in ocean temps, the PDO, and the AMO have either flipped to negative (cooling) or are at the end of their warm cycle (meaning sill positive but cooling towards the negative) and will flip negative withing the next year or two.
Just, you know... trying to keep an honest man honest.
Doc
Yes, that's right! We all need to give up are lifestyles to curve “climate change”, or is it “global warming”; I’m confused.
Perhaps we should all abandon are homes, cars, computers, and cell phones. Then, find a cave to live in, and crap in the woods.
OR, Perhaps a damn good genocide, Rwanda style!
Give up our lifestyle or reduce population… That’s our choices? I say “give up our lifestyle” because you need to remember going with clean technology always cost more. A lot more!
Less money = change in lifestyle
For those that think their helping with buying a Prius; think again. The Prius has a Nickel-Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) battery.
See here - www.toyota.com/prius-hybrid/specs.html
Now the effects of nickel on the environment and its CANCER causing effects - www.speclab.com/elements/nickel.htm -or- www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs15.html
Perhaps we need more sheeple driving electric cars!
Those poor dumb sheeple; think damn it!
Just for the record... "runaway" positive feedbacks in natural physics is EXTREMELY rare, were talking stuff like stars, blackholes, quazars, etc... The universe is necessarily dominated by negative feedbacks. An example of a Manmade runaway positive feedback is a thermonuclear explosion.
That said, there is also NO SUCH THING as a "tipping point" in this planets climate. Considerinig that, as another poster pointed out, ice core samples show that our atmosphere once contained 17x more CO2 than now, and not only was that period of time in conjunction with an EXPLOSION of varied life on this planet... we didn't turn into venus. (which WOULD be an example of a series of events that caused a "runaway" chain reaction in climate. Event that could never happen here on Earth.)
Doc
Damn right Kirk, now global warming has been thoroughly debunked, there are going to be some changes around my house.
My wife as already given up recycling, I'm buying a real car, something with reclining leather seats and lousy gas milage,
and my poor dog won't be eating 'organic doggy chow' anymore!
Loved the chant at Brown's victory speech..
GAS UP THE TRUCK! GAS UP THE TRUCK!
The U.S. Navy recognizes the threat rising sea levels provide to their facilities. The entire Navy infrastructure faces a serious threat. The United States has such a long coastline that rising sea levels will likely force the nation to spend trillions of dollars either relocating facilities or keeping the ocean out.
In 2007, IPCC notes “Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 [1.3 to 2.3] mm per year over 1961 to 2003
(IPCC) concluded that “No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected
Any other scare stories, or was that the best one?
The Army, Navy, like Tuvalu, don't want to miss out on any handouts either, and I don't blame them.
Take it up with the National Weather Service, Doc:
830 AM EST THU JAN 21 2010
STRONG EL NINO CONDITIONS CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE TROPICAL PACIFIC. THIS WARM EVENT IS EXPECTED TO PERSIST (THOUGH GRADUALLY WEAKEN) INTO AT LEAST EARLY BOREAL SPRING 2010, AND IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE US SURFACE TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION FORECASTS INTO THE APR-MAY-JUN (AMJ) 2010 SEASON. THE IMPACT OF EL NINO ON THE CLIMATE OVER NORTH AMERICA IS USUALLY GREATEST DURING THE LATE WINTER SEASON. MANY PREDICTION TOOLS INDICATE THAT THE EL NINO IS CURRENTLY NEAR ITS MAXIMUM STRENGTH AND WILL DIMINISH SLIGHTLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THOUGH SOME MODELS PREDICT THAT THIS WARM EPISODE MAY EXTEND INTO SUMMER, IMPACTS ON THE US TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION FOR LATE SPRING AND BEYOND, HOWEVER, ARE EXPECTED TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.
Threepwood: Changes where the wind blows and the water goes, dude. Look it up.
Umm... considering that I catually WORK for the US Navy, and am currently and have been stationed a several bases worldwide, I can say with 100% confidence that at THIS moment, sea level rise over the next 100 years of approx 3 feet ranks DEAD LAST on their priority list.
Doc
Snatch, not to get too scientific, but snow generally requires below freezing temps. DC's ave high for this time of year= 45F
i.e. should be seeing rain, not snow.
Hate to think how cold it would be without El Nino warming AND global warming combined!
Also 2nd greatest GLOBAL snow cover on record...
@Snark:
So, umm what does that prove. According to your weather update for today from NWS the current El Nino is at it's peak (meaning that right now it's at it's strongest) and that it effects weather patterns of the Northern Hemisphere... hmmm, ok.
Tell me, whar ARE the current weather conditions in the Northern Hemisphere?? let's check:
2010 has been THE coldest, snowiest, and wettest winter in DECADES. Cold temperature records have been smashed across the entire Northern Hemisphere this winter. Snow coverage records for North America broke a 100 year record. Currently the East Coast is being hammered by the worst Blizzard seen in 30 years. I believe Obama called it "Snowmaggeddon". Last year, over 1 MILLION US citizens went a week without power because of a Blizzard. (Remember that?) A horrible blizzard in Great Brittain just ended. China has been rocked by record cold and snow.
North America, Europe, China, that pretty much covers the Norhtern Hemispere.
Doc
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