Lockheed Skunk Works, Palmdale, CA. Photo: Wikimedia
President Obama’s January 21 Memoranda to promote Open Government and strengthen the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) are intended to release unnecessarily classified national security files. Among the many millions of classified files to ultimately be released, some will concern UFOs and extraterrestrial life. From these releases, UFO enthusiasts and exopolitical researchers hope to find clues into how government policy has been developed. More importantly, FOIA releases will point to where the bulk of the nation’s UFO files are located. That’s when the Obama administration will run up against corporate control of UFO files and policy.
Testimonial evidence exists that corporations have become the ultimate repository of the nation’s UFO secrets. A number of whistleblowers have emerged revealing how corporate control has been achieved. A recently deceased corporate whistleblower revealed how during the mid-1980s, he worked for six months as an archivist for a large aerospace defense contractor based in California. It was a temporary assignment with his employer at an obscure office building. The archivist found many files dealing with flying saucers and extraterrestrial life. The files contained: “Reports, photos, media materials (tapes, films, video cassettes) and material from crashed saucers.” When asked where the files came from he revealed the “materials came from everywhere. CIA, Air Force, Navy, Army, DARPA, NORAD, DoD, FBI, and government officials to name most.”
Project Camelot Video of Corporate UFO archivist
If the archivist’s testimony is accurate, this means that prior to the mid-1980s UFO files were taken out of the possession of U.S. government agencies and military departments due to security concerns. One reason for this is that the proprietary rights of corporations would enable UFO files to remain hidden from the prying hands of congressmen, and private citizens using the Freedom of Information Act first passed in 1966 and strengthened in 1974.
The above scenario is supported by comments by Ben Rich, former CEO of Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. In hand written responses to questions from John Andrews of the Testor Corporation in 1986, Rich confirmed the existence of both man-made and extraterrestrial UFOs. Most importantly, Rich revealed to Andrews how control of UFO files had slipped from the U.S. military to private corporations. Andrews relayed Rich’s responses to questions from UFO investigator William McDonald which confirmed:
There are two types of UFOs -- the ones we build, and ones THEY build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "Hand-me-downs." The Government knew, and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "Purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector.
Former astronaut, Dr Edgar Mitchell recently confirmed an incident in 1997 where the Head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff was supplied the code names of UFO related projects, but was denied need-to-know access. The first to report the incident was UFO researcher, Dr Steven Greer, who in 2001 revealed that Admiral Wilson was furious over his failure to gain access. On a July 4, 2008 CNN interview, Dr Mitchell confirmed Greer’s version of events when he said that Admiral Wilson “had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye.” A reliable source furthermore revealed to UFO researcher Richard Dolan that Admiral Wilson was frustrated by attorneys of a corporation that denied him access. I interviewed an active duty U.S. Navy officer in October 2008 who confirmed the powerful role of corporations involved in UFO projects.
A number of senior officials in the Obama administration were deeply involved in Clinton administration efforts to disclose files concerning UFOs. If President Obama’s January 21 Memoranda are fully implemented, FOIA requests will allow much information about UFOs to emerge. This will give important clues to where the bulk of the nation’s UFO files are kept. That is when the Obama administration will run up against powerful corporate interests claiming proprietary control of UFO information and advanced extraterrestrial technology. The Obama administration will ultimately need to confront corporate interests that house UFO files, and controlled UFO policy since the Nixon Administration.
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It is known that both Clinton and Carter - the last two Democratic presidents who tried to pry open UFO secrets - were rebuffed.
When Obama realizes that the same folks who are withholding UFO files are the same ones responsible for his ascendency to the presidency, and who are also responsible for controlling most of the industrialized world, do you really think he's going to force the issue?
JFK wanted to play by his own rules, and was interested in UFO's, too, and you can see where it got him.
Again, a totally twisted "factoid".
For the Obama administration and for the American people, the UFO Phenomenon is not a problem at all.
Writing about a confrontation Obama-Corporations because of UFOs, is totally unreal, and worst, shows Dr. Salla's poor concept of the Examiner and its readers.
Never trust a Goa'Uld.
So simple is that.
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James Black:"Writing about a confrontation Obama-Corporations because of UFOs, is totally unreal"
To me it seems totally possible given the underhanded bloodsucking nature of the rich and powerful. Knowlegde is power and if they have been keeping knowlege of ET life and technology a secret, well that makes us all slaves doesnt it? Those in the know will always rule over their planet of the apes, wether ET's exist or not..
James Black, are you suggesting that the American people don't consider the issue a problem, or that it genuinely isn't one?
I don't think Salla implied otherwise to the former. If you're endorsing the latter then i suspect it's not Salla's "poor concept" of the examiner's readership that is at fault here, but rather your own ignorance surrounding the evidence of the ET phenomenon.
Here are some starting points for you:
- youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
- paradigmresearchgroup.org/QuotesPage.html
- heraldtribune.com/article/20090101/blog32/901010279&tc=yahoo
The fact that corporations control access to to this info do not bode well fore the prevention of technology getting into foreign hands.The military has better control and experience in this matter.If this is the case then foreign governments already have this vital info.knowing how lax companies can be.
Numerous current and former officials write about the cycles of corruption and secrecy that Michael Salla refers to. Read Greer's latest book for a nosefull. At present, Bush Sr. is reportedly going senile, possibly Alzheimers, i.e. his remark to look up Jr's achievements in "whaddayacallit?"---Google. So he's out of the tight loop. And David Rockefeller, the more entrenched controller of the criminal regime, is 94--looking skeletal and likely to die if he get's too strong a cold.
In other words, the old regime is in sharp transition. David Rockefeller Jr., who attends Bohemian Grove with his father, doesn't appear to be the overarching monster his father is/was, and Bush Jr. isn't competent to run manage such programs. Jeb might be, but he has no federal office experience, so he isn’t that much (although he appears to be deeply involved in aiding continued Florida narco traffic). In other words, the regime isn't what it used to be. Corporations are going down like trees in a tornado, and the banks are begging Obama's administration for what appears to be their own “bailout” burial policy. You know big changes are coming. Everyone is talking about it.
So the reform population (most of us, included) has real strength now, as does Obama. The ruinous behavior of Bush Jr. shows that Bush Sr.'s cautions weren't heeded (if Sr. actually wanted to help the nation, rather than sabotage it--which may have been his real plan, after all). And now the Goldman family (Goldman Sachs, Paulson and bailout take) has more power than the Bush's, or perhaps even Rockefeller. In other words, the ruin-the-US and inflame-the-Middle-East policy of the neocons was recently ascendant. The Goldman-Fed mafia appears to have more power, at the moment, now that Bush Sr. and Rockefeller are over with.
Enter Obama. You can't expect the corporate crowd to just fess up and tell what has happened since '53 (Rockefeller theft of control of e.t. tech/issues from Eisenhower), then 1963 (JFK's murder), then 1969 (Nixon's palace guard move and possibly what John Andrews notes). Working apart from Andrews, I noted a DuPont family move to eliminate Howard Hughes' interests role in alien issues circa the Nixon administration. Recall the story about a Bahamas site with a lab to study a downed e.t. craft--all of it run by Hughes aerospace? Well, under Nixon the DuPonts, via their interest in Boeing-North American and their 17-19 percent ownership of GM, took control of Hughes aerospace circa 1975-7. And DuPonts are deeply entwined in the Rockefeller family’s corporations. For example, CIA chief Allen Dulles, who worked for the DuPont's United Fruit Co. in Guatemala prior to joining the CIA, is from the Dulles family that originally got wealthy serving Rockefeller corporations.
By pushing Hughes and competitors out of aviation corporations that reportedly had direct hands-on labs involving downed e.t. technology, the black budget mafia was further concentrated in monsters' hands. DuPonts supported fascism, do heavy business wtih Rockefeller, and a DuPont gofer, Gen. Ed Lansdale, may have organized the shooter team that Col. Fletcher Prouty and Pentagon colleagues say appears to have shot JFK at Dealey Plaza.
So, David Rockefeller will be gone shortly, but DuPonts (more wealthy than Rockefellers) and the Goldman family still have cabal power. That's who Obama would effectively be asking if he asks for info on aliens. They are monsters, and they aren't likely to say, yeah, we murdered Jack, we stole control of some reverse-engineered programs, and via Rockefeller we may have betrayed all of humankind by allowing aliens to base here, in some locations.
Obama's more realistic avenue would be to have his people secretly talk to people like Greer, Clifford Stone, and other whistleblowers, then talk to Corso's old contacts and any others who are actually honest. Obama should let his executive employees approach the subject via various routes, rather than try to do so himself. And he can't give up if some Bushie-appointed gofer says Obama has no need to know. The Bushie regime failed, Bush Sr. is over with, as is Rockefeller. They are toast, not competent now.
But we have to develop the context, also. It has to also amplify internationally. Obama's best route is various military brass and, if Michael Salla is correct, some of Obama's own acquaintances have worked on the PI-40 committee, so they have intimate knowledge of alien-related programs.
But the most important precaution Obama must make is to not step into the black hole, the same old rut of that cabal of offenders. It may be impolitic for Obama to eschew everything Rockefeller, but he must be aware that Rockefeller's rut is a walled-off prison for mass offenders, in a cosmic sense. You don’t want to step into their rut because it’s so warped and criminal that your outlook would be biased, inadequate if you relied on them, if you placed yourself in their rut. The ultimate irony is that Rockefeller and his cronies are easily manipulated, if not controlled by the very abducting aliens in question. The Rockefeller mafia wanted to aid and abet those aliens for reasons of power and inside influences. So, to ask them to fess up is like asking the aliens themselves to come clean. It isn't the route one must take.
Obama must work around them, let military brass come forward---but don't be too obvious about it. Once queries are made, the Rockefeller mafia finds out about it. Although David Rockefeller is over with, the DuPont-Goldman (and, by extension, Rothschild) mainstays are still there, and they don't want anyone to know too much.
So, an effective opening is a much larger consideration. Many must move, in concert, to open the subject up. The old monsters are no longer competent, but that doesn't mean it will be easy. We can help by further refining and deepening the discussion, raising our standards and spreading public awareness.
Roswell and other aspects of first contact were 62 years ago. That generation is gone. The discourse and the evidence has evolved greatly since then, to wit, this kind of website.
We need large, concerted convergence, and moves to encourage greater openings. You certainly feel it happening, these days. But don't wait for someone else to do it all.
Get involved, directly.
This is dis-information. UFO and Alien technology are classified above top secret. Military agencies would never and will never turn over any information.
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The news is so good. When I heard about the train to DC I knew my feeling that Obama was unwinding the clock back thru the 60s was validated. (he was symbolically reversing the RFK funeral train of 1968).
This is the time we have been waiting for. Starve out the corporations (do not buy anything except essentials) and pray for Obama.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THE GOVERMENT IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IS GOING ON. YOU NEW AGE CREEPS ARE SO STUPID. THEY WANT TO KEEP YOU "DOWN" AND FIGHTING EACH OTHER SO THEY CAN KEEP MAKING THE ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR BILL.
GET REAL. DRINK YOUR OWN URINE, IT IS THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH.
GEORGE BUSH
When I hear these "agents' revealing that we - mankind - are the creation of these aliens, that Christ was one of their creations, I get uneasy. This is disinformation, deception, to keep mankind depressed, to prevent him/her from attempting to make the ascension into higher dimensions. This stuff is put out to depress and confuse. I wasn't created by a grey alien's forebears. That is error put out by the Jehovah controlled space people who are also behind the Zionistic takeover this planet. Bull c ..bull s... I have a divine god given soul not dependant on robotic aliens no matter how sophisticated they are.
Listen, the only way that any UFO info is going to get released is if the government needs to direct the attention of the American public away from the financial failure that is coming our way. Maybe by redirecting the public focus you might see something but I doubt that in my lifetime you will see any release of any UFO or Alien information.
James Black -- UFOs are apparently a problem for the British Ministry of Defense because they admitted last week they're actively trying to shoot one down. I don't think a military organization would actively try to shoot something down unless it was, by definition, a 'problem'.
But what do I know?
Paul -- I disagree with you. About the only reason the government has to keep UFO information secret is because it probably affects the spiritual foundations of every religion on earth. For example, the government is obligated to notify the public when they are subject to a threat. No major government has ever come out and said UFOs are a 'threat' to national security.
However, the British government did say they are attempting to shoot one down. I think there are reasons OTHER than them being a threat for the wish to shoot one down. I think that basically, the government has little idea what these things are and they need to shoot one down to find out. All they know is, they haven't THUS FAR been threats.
In conclusion, what I think the government does know is that these objects are intelligently controlled and are much, much, much older than the human population on earth. Therefore, the question of how they relate to (or SUPERCEDE) human spirituality is the prime question. And therein lies the reason for the secrecy.
But what do I know? :)
So are you trying to say that the corporations are stronger than the government of the US? That the US is really a corporacracy? That the president is seconsd fiddle to a bunch of corporate executives? Well thanks for filling us in now, a little too late don't you think?
I think you people need to leave the drugs alone. Don't be like our Brotha-In-Chief who "used" to smoke crack in the back of limos while engaging in homoerotic adventures.
i suggest the only way to the truth is to 'end the fed' and "kill the bank" ... period
otherwise we live with bankster's in control where words have lost their meaning ~ in a corrupted/virus lie
Watch the "raw footage" video for sure. Then buy you a night vision monocular or goggles and watch what shows up over your back yard. www.edgrimsley.com
Oh yeah and Torchwood is real too?
Look up the CAFR-1 and see if the corporations' stocks are listed as government owned like Lockheed and Boeing is. Government ownership of stock is PUBLIC ownership of stock.
That should give the public access to the information.
Now that I'm President and my change is being accomplished you're going to find out that things are changing for the worse for you run of the mill "citizens".
Ther will be more corporatocracy kleptocracy than you fools can imagine.
The 'Kind' ones have intervened and are giving us a helping hand so that we survive to see the end of the nuclear age.
Peace is Perfect.
The real reason why corporations are trying to withhold information about UFOs is because such knowledge would challenge the existence of such corporations. Our system ('Capitalism,' with a capital 'C') is threatened by anything that might be 'alternative' to the proper functioning of capital accumulation and consumption.
A successful alien species must have advanced itself to an new stage of socio-economic relations, as the whole of society would not be based on differences and rivalries; thus, an alien society must be: socialistic (which is also democratic as equality in economics ensures equality in being properly in control of governmental affairs), which would rely on the sake of exploration for the advancement of knowledge, rather than for a materialistic gain; fascistic, as such a society had already tried a socio-economic system that is similar to 'Capitalism,' and thus what we would consider 'corporations' had sprung up and did to an alien planet what 'corporations' have done to this planet and so eventually a 'corptocracy' must have emerged and thus eliminated opposition to the extent where the devotion of the said planet's resources and societal constructs may be placed toward outer-space; finally, the society could also be sheerly autocratic and dynastic and thus such an alien planet may have evolved differently than how royalty and dynasties have here (meaning, the rise of 'mercantilism' was contained by royal initiatives and thus eliminated what we would call a 'liberal or bourgeois revolution(s).'
"Food for thought," I guess...
This article is disinformation. The US government does indeed have an extraterrestial saucer at Groom lake, which was left intact and vacant on a runway at Holloman AFB in 1973. They DO NOT have any 'crashed' saucers. To date the US government has never been able to understand the extraterrestrial flight technology. They did cut into parts of the saucer which were silicon based life forms, and the result was the spread of the Morgellons disease throughout the USA. The extraterrestrials regard the human race as a dangerous species and warned of the pending end of Earth. There is nothing anyone can do to remedy the situation. Earth is now surrounded by extraterrestrial space force which is overseeing any human esxcursions in space prior to the Earth demise.
These are not here for happy exopolitics.
Human beings are considered a dangerous species.
rense.com/Datapages/mystmachinedata.htm
Within this video is a still photograph taken by NASA's Odyssey mission to
Mars: youtube.com/watch?v=m0m8MrlOwYo
This angle validates a lot of information that has been dispersed through the Disclosure Project. Anyone who thinks this is Dis-information is in fact being duped. This is indeed how and why we have been in the strangle hold of old technology and have been at the mercy of Big Oil for energy. You want change? Real Change? Watch what happens when Zero Point Free Energy is brought to the world. Will people stop fighting because the resource wars will be over? Yes! Will the corporations who profit from war try to stop this? Yes! But they will fail. The Obama win already proved that we are moving beyond the era of corporate greed.
I like what el jefe del guano had to say. Yes Corporations are extremely anti-human being. I recommend an awesome film called, "The Corporation". Very good documentary. And you nailed it, The Corporation is not our highest expression of human excellence. We are much better than that and the universe will be our playground.
Misinformation. Go to www.theyfly.com and get most of the answers. Open one on one et contact. This group are our common ancestors. They are 1500 years ahead on tech etc. Hoax? Nah. 6 US investigators spent 5 years on and off trying to debunk contactee Billy Meier in Switz. They not only failed to debunk, but confirmed the over 130 contacts as genuine. 1000 analogue Kodak crystal clear photos, cine film, metal fragments, sound recordings, all analysed by worldwide experts. They then published Light Years by Gary Kinder re the investigation. What more do you need? The govt to say so? Forget it.
The reason that an alien presence has been kept secret is not to deny that they exist or that their technolgy is far superior to ours. It has been kept secret because, they, like Christ, have warned us of an impending impact event from a major meteorite or comet. See VULCAN, COMETS AND THE IMPENDING CATASTROPHE for details.
Come on Obama kick the nsa ans nasa butts time for these things to be revealed to everyone we are not dumies come on Obama prove that you are an assended master get on withit
I cant wait to hear the back story about bioengineering firms using alien DNA since 1990 before and during Operation Desert Storm, an unsanctioned test to create human/alien hybrids out of soldiers. Hey, how is that experiment going? Oh yeah, they admitted that Gulf War Syndrome is real last year, that explains the many anomalies in my genetic markers, life is a joke to these people.
the amerika you know--lies and more dirty damnable lies
they are us---because we came from them--earth religions be damned--wake up fools..!
According to what I've calculated if there are roughly 40 billion trillion stars and only 1 out of a billion had life around it then there should be at least 40 trillion planets with advanced lifeforms in the Universe.
LOOK UP TO THE SKY,PAY THE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER,BUY THE MERCHANDISE AND BE FOOLED WHILE WE ROB YOU BLIND,STERILISE,HOMOGENISE AND MURDER YOU!THE USSA IS UPON YOU!SOCIALISM IS THE 'NEW GOD' AND IN THE END THE BEAST WILL SHOW MANY WONDERS,TO DECIEVE,EVEN MAKING 'FIRE' COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!CHRIST IS ALIVE TODAY!HEED THE WARNINGS!
These aliens have been here,indeed,before man!When the universe was void and without form,they were watching the works of God,and came to walk upon this planet!They are the founding fathers of babylon,the inventors of capitalism,democracy,socialism,judaism and other doctrines of demons!They are the reptile in the garden,and so subtle to decieve man that any inquiry only confuses,confounds and takes man from the true course,this world is futility,JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE TODAY AND ONLY IN HIM IS FOUND THE TRUTH!
if History Channel's "UFO Hunters" will contact me I will show them in the night sky tens of UFOs in one place anywhere in USA . On december 30 in Montvale,Tice's Corner Plaza, NJ and on February 1 in Manhatten ,Lincoln Plaza, for several hours I have shown people UFOs in the night sky. More than 70-80 people with their own eyes for the first time saw this incredable event. For more iformation read my article "Aliens live in our Earth's atmosphere" on internet.
Sincerely Ilya
Today, I will be in Montvale, Tice's Corner Plaza, NJ from 5pm until 8-9 pm to show people UFOs in the night sky. All people are wellcome. (Direction: GSP north, exit 171, right opposite AP)
Sincerely Ilya
PRAISE ALIEN JESUS!!!!!!!REPENT REPENT!!!!!
Are you kidding me?
Some of you are starting to sound like religious fanatics, it's disgraceful.
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously it's because you're straying away from the facts and evidence.
It's not a cult following it's information, and you can't just guess and call it the truth.
And please stop dragging God into this...it's sad really , especially since there's no proof of him existing or not.And no you can't use random occurrences of luck ,saving lives ,or the universe being here as "proof".
You know I don't mean all of you, but you do know who I'm talking about.
A human being, no mater how well trained or mentally active using mind projection and other paranormal abilities , cannot possibly learn the skill to fully control a UFO.
UFO's have been around past any history this planet has to offer, and will probably be around long past human existance.
Congrats to Dr Salla anmd his team for keeping up with the play - and to Obama (perhaps) for future revelations.
Dr Salla also has a few words to say in a recent documentary called "Contact Has Begun" at www.buycontacthasbegun.com
Why wait for fioles to be uncovered? The documentary includes a lot of genuine footage of UFOs - both over Mt Adams in Wasshington state and over Mexico.
Seems obvious that the UFOs themselves are doing the "disclosure" thing long before any goivernment or corporate files get released.
whaaat??God has no say in the wonderful world of Aliens,ufo's and government conspiracy?Please show me where it says that science is more God than God?Yes,everywhere!As for proof,A man is saved by faith alone!Jesus is no alien,and the whole alien,ufo issue is a cult,or maybe just entertainment!Dont try to disprove God by trying to improve 'science',its a new religion!
'THEY' are here and ready to come out,but are you going to fall for this dog and pony show,or realise the truth?
The one to do the work, so needed on Earth, came from the Roswell Crash.
The Prophecies pointed out that:
The One to come from the Lakota Rosebud Tribe would be the one to do the work. So the Rosebud Lakota Tribe was attempted to be wiped out in December of 1890 Wounded Knee I. However, two little boys lived thru it and one grew up to be the Grandfather of the one to do the work. And again the tribe was attemped to be wiped out by Wounded Knee II in 1970's.
The Hopi Prophecies bring out that the White Buffalo Calf Woman would be the one to do the work.
The White Buffalo Calves have been born on locations highly symbolic of the person who is the real White Buffalo Calf Women. The farm were the White Buffalo Calf Woman's father was a shepard is the area where 4 of the White Buffalo Calves were born.
Revelation talks of the Woman giving birth and the devil taking the child. This happened to the real White Buffalo Woman.
The Prophecy of Najaf (yes, as in Iraq and known well by the Iranians) predicted that the one to do the work would be Blond and have Identical Twins. The White Buffalo Calf Woman is blond and had identical twins.
The list of matching Prophecies goes on and on. Yes, the real ones match the life of the real White Buffalo Calf Woman.
This same White Buffalo Calf Woman was Automatically Started to do the work Earth had to have done.
In 2007 so as to show Earth it is time to police yourself,(60 is code for police) showed up at Roswell Convention in early July 2007 to discuss the goal of Roswell and that goal is to accomplish Revelation 20:1,2,3. God is most definitely guiding what is taking place.
Many crackpots claim of prophecy,and while i was still drinking i once thought i saw something.
I hope not only these files will be exposed but what also needs to be exposed are CIA and NSA files about experiments done on unwilling private citizens in the US. There are many victims whose lives have been destroyed and in many cases has even lead to suicide. Our own intelligence agencies have become terrorists of American citizens. If the truth be known much of today's technology might even have been back engineered from extraterrestial technology.
There are far more government contractors with clearances than there are soldiers with clearances above top secret. So I have no trouble believing that this fellow was on a 6 month contract to sort some classified documents. Even UFO documents. Obscure office buildings are exactly the kind of place that this would go on. The part where my disbelief rears it's head is the 'mass ufo landing' at the end of 2012. I don't know if I am just jaded about the 2012 thing (Y2K anyone?) or if I was turned off by the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but that's where I had to sit and think a bit.
The only way that I can make that particular bit make sense is the following scenario (and it's a stretch... but let's follow the thread)
1. Nibiru/Planet X is definitely heading for us
2. Cayce's Pole Shift will take place when that happens
3. The UFO mass landing takes place a little before the real SHTF and beams as many aboard as they can
4. The aliens place a hand upon our foreheads and telepathically determine which humans to ferry to safety and which must stay behind (mark of the beast and the rapture?)
5. Yet another deluge happens (Run for Virginia Beach!) and those of us that are left behind have to start all over again from the stone age.
Did I miss a major theory in there anywhere?
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