Ron Paul has come out in favor of building the ground zero mosque. Called a “classic libertarian stance” Ron Paul insists that this is a “property and zoning issue,” and no more.
“The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque. Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be 'sensitive' requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from 'ground zero.”
He calls 9-11 families in opposition “demagogues” for expressing their support for building the mosque elsewhere.
Where does it say in the libertarian manifesto that you cannot adjust certain philosophies for the good of the community and the health of the nation? I wonder how close Ron Paul would be to his convictions if he lost his family in the towers on 9-11.
He might be singing a different tune.
Thankfully as the opposition grows against this construction so does the false argument of first amendment rights and freedom of religion.
If the 9-11 hijackers had claimed they were doing this in the name of a country, or a political philosophy, or any other reason other than their religion we would not be having this debate now. That is what Ron Paul, American Muslims and the Left need to understand.
It is not their religion that is being condemned. It is the fact that it was used as a reason for dropping those buildings and killing so many innocent people.
How many victories are we going to give the enemy before we begin to fight back, for real?
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the reasons given by the 9/11 attackers said nothing about Islam. Bin Laden himself stated it had to do with American policies in the Middle East.
There are certainly extremists in the Muslim world...as there are certainly extremists nearly every religion but blaming 9/11 on Islam is like blaming the Oklahoma City bombing on Christianity.
WHere do you left fielders draw the line? Will you guys back anything that Obama supports? I mean come on!! there was a lot of conservatives that were not afraid to stand with the rest of AMerica when Bush wasn't doing so hot! SO you guys like little Obama puppets or what?! Get a backbone and be a man and stand for something thats right and quit trying to be part of some band wagon all the time. We are all AMericans for God's sake let's be able to unite on some issues.
9/11 had nothing to do with Islam.
Please do your research before posting blogs.
Typical Neo Con- no real principles, just self serving bias. Oh and the answer to the "when are we going to fight" We are currently in two wars....maybe I could send you some news clippings to get you up to speed...
"He calls 9-11 families in opposition “demagogues” for expressing their support for building the mosque elsewhere."
He never CALLS families. This is blatant putting words in someones mouth. You should be fired for this crap.
Also, since you don't seem to have the internet, Bin Laden specifically stated in tapes that the attacks were inspired by his anger over the U.S. role in Israel's 1982 occupation of Lebanon.
9/11 was an inside job. If there's any organization that shouldn't be building around the WTC site it's the US Government.
right. because you conspiracy theorists think bush was/is so stupid, yet somehow, he was able to execute the greatest conspiracy and cover-up in the history of the world. please.
if it wasnt then how come they werent able to provide any legitimate footage of the plane crashing into the pentagon? surely they would have had better footage than the grainy video from the gas station across the street, as the center of our defense im pretty damn sure they have better surveillance than that. Without 9/11 we wouldnt have been able to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan, the 3k or so dead on that day were used as political pawns.
seriously........... yeah mucho research needed.
The important thing that has come out of "The Mosque Controversy" is the geo-political-ethnic demographics that tell us 68% of American oppose "The Mosque." Who are these 68%? T-Baggers, Neo-Segregationists, Jews, Neo-Nazis, The Hardworking, Sunshine Patriots, Friends of Israel, Trailer Park Republicans.
If you are not one of the 32% you must be one of the 68%.
Fight back against domestic Muslims peacefully practicing their religion. It's people like you and this cowardly rhetoric that are the real danger here. If you want to "fight" so badly why don't you man up and join the marines or special forces. The reason you won't is because you are a chicken hawk coward.
Hart,
You lack any real principles, so your only choice is to try to emotionalize the issue...no critical thinking necessary for that...way to go!
Hey Larry ! You've forget something! " The 5 dancing Israelis..."
Can you imagine a World where people live in peace and help each other, where is no hunger poverty and suffer?.....I guess not...shame!
Hey for that matter, why are practicing Muslims even in New York? They're essentially slapping the face of the families of victims of the 9/11 attacks. I say that we put every practicing Muslim in New York - actually in America for that matter - into a slave camp. They don't deserve their rights because they happen to share a religion with a few people who blew up a building.
this is so ridiculous, are you really this ignorant? 911 had nothing to do with islam, it had everything to do with our interventionist foreign policy, go read "Blowback" by Chalmers Johnson, you might learn a thing or two
...are you playing "devil's advocate"? 'cause you surely MUST be joking.
YEah he's just joking.
Larry, you want to fight the bad guys for real! Join the army, or if they won' t have you, start your own paramilitary and create some havoc in Afganistaaan!
Shoot shoot shoot
Go Larry Go
Obviously you don't follow Ron Paul very much. The comment about Ron Paul changing his mind if it had been his family members who were killed at ground zero is more than likely inaccurate. Ron Paul has consistently defended Private Property rights along with the Constitution regardless of whether his family was involved. This is a truly principled man. He is a man of true honor, not a politician.
Larry you're an idiot. It was not American Muslims that attacked. It was 15 SAUDI ARABIANS (Our supposed Ally) under the orders from Osama Bin Ladin (Our once CIA operative against the Soviet invasion of Afganistan) to attack the US for aggressions against all Muslims in the Middle East. It had nothing to do with Islam.
You should be fired.
agreed Larry you are an Idiot!
Worthless flotsam...
If you want to oppose the Islamic Center (with a swimming pool as well as a prayer room) you should be required to go to every Muslim family who had someone who worked and died in the Towers on 9-11 and tell them how having a place where they can pray to God for the souls of their loved ones is disrespectful.
If you want to oppose the Islamic Center (with a swimming pool as well as a prayer room) you should be required to go to every Muslim family who had someone who worked and died in the Towers on 9-11 and tell them how having a place where they can pray to God for the souls of their loved ones is disrespectful.
Please Sir let me know where people are allowed to build a mosque? Wouldnt want to offend you.
Ever been to NYC and bought a "twofer" to a broadway show? You can sometimes pick up two tickets at the last minute for the price of one. Thanks to people like Larry Hart 9-11 is turning into a twofer for Bin Laden. He brought down the WTC and now thanks to Hart and company he gets us to show the rest of the world how we hate Muslims and are out to get all 1.5 billion Muslims. Bin Laden shoots us in one foot and now we shot the other one.
Maybe the author of this would THINK TWICE if he was one of the countless American Muslims who have been nothing but loyal to the US and experienced just as much pain (probably even more!) over the 9/11 attacks as any other American. This debate is just sad because it shows that in the year 2010 American citizens are still undergoing religious discrimination. Islam did not cause the September 11th attacks, and people who believe that punishing Muslim Americans for something a few extremists did is just sick. Has anyone pointed out that Al Qaeda is no doubt loving the divisiveness they see right now due to this mosque debate? People, please be rational. Our grandchildren will look back on this debate with shame and sorrow someday,
Today, a Catholic man in my town shot several people in a fast food place. Should we ban Catholic churches to honor those injured? How far should the radius of "bannage" be? Is this sensitive enough? BE RATIONAL. THIS IS AMERICA. Stop emotionalizing issues to distract from the shameful Islamaphobia that has gripped so many mistaken individuals.
only ban the churches near any mcdonalds and burger kings. you know, a "respectable" distance. which, i guess to these close-minded bigots, means another country
Does this article really contain the words "the false argument of first amendment rights and freedom of religion." Wow. Sad.
I call BS. I haven't heard one single person who lost loved ones in 9/11 complain about the mosque, only dittoheads from flyover country. Why are they so worked up about 9/11. If there's an issue, let NYC decide, not people who have nothing to do with it.
What do the people on WS say (and yes, I'll admit, I am there all the time): individual rights and freedom of property through and through. The Republicans don't get this. Until they do, they will not be conservatives, only a mockery.
This article is bordering on misinformation. Yes, Ron Paul made a reference to property rights. But that was only a small portion of the total comments. He also said that islamophobia is being whipped up to justify needless wars and feed the war machine. Are these comments somehow not worthy of reporting just because they make you feel uncomfortable?
Look, there are many Muslim citizens here in the US, and they pay taxes, and they have a right to places of worship just as you do. On what ground do you presume to take away the rights of your neighbor who contributes just as much as you do?
This article is bordering on misinformation. Yes, Ron Paul made a reference to property rights. But that was only a small portion of the total comments. He also said that islamophobia is being whipped up to justify needless wars and feed the war machine. Are these comments somehow not worthy of reporting just because they make you feel uncomfortable?
Look, there are many Muslim citizens here in the US, and they pay taxes, and they have a right to places of worship just as you do. On what ground do you presume to take away the rights of your neighbor who contributes just as much as you do?
This article is bordering on misinformation. Yes, Ron Paul made a reference to property rights. But that was only a small portion of the total comments. He also said that islamophobia is being whipped up to justify needless wars and feed the war machine. Are these comments somehow not worthy of reporting just because they make you feel uncomfortable?
Look, there are many Muslim citizens here in the US, and they pay taxes, and they have a right to places of worship just as you do. On what ground do you presume to take away the rights of your neighbor who contributes just as much as you do?
You have no clue why 9/11 occurred. You are so uneducated on the subject maybe you should remain silent on that issue.
After we are done hating and harboring suspicions about other religions, when we have finished holding innocent people responsible for the crimes of another with whom they have a superficial resemblance, then we will be ready to have freedom in this country again. Or we could just respect the rights guaranteed in the constitution.
Wasn't sensitivity the reason to keep black children out of white schools? Of course they are wrong but why do we need to shove their face in it?
Even the headline is a lie. Ron Paul has not said the mosque "should be built" on the hallowed ground where once stood the Burlington Coat Factory, a mere first-stone's throw from half a dozen righteous gentlemen's clubs. His comments were about demagoguery and contempt for the constitution and natural rights.
To all who have commented before me
What a pity that most of you are so stupid and so out of touch that you don't even know your own enemy
and it's sad that you are so stupid and out of touch with your own country's founding documents.
Arg!! As much as I STRONGLY hate the idea of the ground zero mosque, there is a small point to be made. The government should stay COMPLETELY out of this issue as the 1st Amendment states... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." as for government to prosper, it should let The People remain free. With that said, it should be entirely up to New York City and/or New York State to decide. It's a local issue, not a government one (granted that one can argue that Ground Zero has become a representation of the United States through its deliberate holy war message). You can also argue that we're not in Iraq building Christian or Catholic churches; but that kind of thinking always ends up in destruction. An EXTREME of any kind is destruction. So where's the middle ground? Maybe not so close to ground zero. But let the PEOPLE decide; King Obama needs to STEP DOWN.
I definitely disagree on the notion that it's a "zoning issue". That's poop with whip cream on top. Despite being a Ron Paul fan, I'll call that a Ron Paul fail... just this once ;)
As ALWAYS Ron Paul is right again! He is not supporting our attackers, he is defending the Constitution. If Islam had attacked us he’d be in favor of Congress declaring war on Islam but instead he suggested that we send a small force to bring the 911 culprits to justice. Had his wisdom been followed, we could have saved many thousands of lives, countless billions of tax dollars, our reputation as a Nation of Constitutional laws that we actually live by and we might have even captured, tried, convicted and executed those truly responsible for 911.
If the voters of this nation really want the Country outlined in the Constitution then we will put Ron Paul in the White House in 2012!
Search “Ron Paul Islamic Mosque” on youtube. Listen to Ron Paul as he explains the issue and the Constitutional position.
No other potential presidential candidate has the record, experience and the standards of Ron Paul. He weighs everything he does by the Constitution and no matter how popular a piece of legislation may be, he will not vote for it unless he believes it’s legal according to the Constitution and that the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to govern on that issue.
RUN RON RUN!... RON PAUL IN 2012 OR SOONER! AMERICA NEEDS THE RIGHT KIND OF “CHANGE”!
i think they if they want to build a mosque they can build it somewhere else other than ground zero where all of those people died, it should be a memorial to remember the people that have died, becuase the people that died in there were all types of religeon,
it's not AT. it's near. but not quite as near as some strip joints. all you people asking for reverence sure don't seem to have a problem with strippers working/being nearby. just Muslims. you're sad.
Ron Paul does not care if the Mosque gets built or not. He was quoted on CNN saying that he did not care. What he cares about is that the Neoconservatives,YOU, use the controversy surronding this issue to dictate a foreign policy of endless war.
We have freedom of religion in the First Amendment of the US Constitution. Either you support the Constitution in it's entirety or you don't support it at all. How can this author call himself a conservative with views like this?
Believing in property rights does not mean Ron Paul agrees with islamic extrmeists, and it is disingenuous to suggest that it does.
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