Shadow of Obama on the Constitution (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
In the days since I first started publishing on the issues surrounding Natural Born Citizenship and why it matters with regards to Barack Obama, I have been asked a great many questions regarding why it matters at all. Why the Founding Fathers would bother with a distinction that only ever matters for one governmental position in the world, the President of the United States?
I hate to say this because I supported McCain - granted not with a great amount of enthusiasm, and had honestly thought he was NBC. It didn’t occur to me that he wasn’t. But hindsight is 20/20 and two things really stick out now.
1) If McCain were a NBC born on a Military Base inside the Panama Canal Territory (legally US Territory), why would he need the congress to reaffirm his status? It should be obvious, and completely unneeded. But apparently it was needed, because he did just that, had congress affirm his status.
2) The Natural Born Citizen issue is a thermonuclear weapon as far as tossing a strong rival right out of the race, and this isn’t a friendly game of golf or something. There is no defense against a nuclear weapon, and that one would have been coming from orbit. This is the Presidency of the United States. These people play Hardball. Why didn’t McCain USE that weapon against Obama? He knew about it as much as the DNC did.
The answer is simple. He couldn’t.
He isn’t a Natural Born Citizen either. McCain was born in a Hospital in Colon Panama, far outside the Panama Canal zone and inside Panama proper. McCain has citizenship ties to Panama because of Jus Soli, Right of Soil, he was born on the soil of Panama. Does he have Jus Sanguinis - Right of blood to American Citizenship, you bet, and he is a citizen.
You see, the GOP let this happen because its candidate had the same problem that Obama did.
It explains so much that made no sense at the time. But the puzzle pieces fit.
The reason it matters is this. Take for example a fine American Woman, she meets a dashing and charismatic man from Russia, they have an affair, get married briefly but he can’t stay and eventually leaves the family, abandoning this fine woman and their son.
Fast forward 20 years or so.
Our Russian decides he must do right by the son he abandoned, and brings him to Russia and gets him a fabulous education great ties in Russian government and society, all the best Russia can offer, but alas, America calls and after 4 years of college and the high life, our young son of America returns home.
Fast forward 15 years or so.
That Son of America, remembering the lessons he learned in Russia and building on them and the ties he built there starts running for Political offices here, Becomes a state Senator, then a Federal level Senator, his rise is charismatic and startlingly fast because of all he learned and all the connections he has made in his life, the very things taught him by his mentors. Against all odds, he becomes President of the United States, despite not being a Natural Born Citizen because of his father’s simple status as that of a Russian Citizen. And in truth, no one wanted to look at that or any other dark fact because this son of America was just so darned good looking, well spoken, and so very charismatic.
Now, who is the father of this charismatic young man? Was he conceived to be some deliberate Manchurian Candidate? Not at all, he was born of a passionate love affair in the early 1960’s.
But still who is his father in this hypothetical example?
Vladimir Putin.
And now you see why the Natural Born Status with regard to the Presidency matters and why the founders deliberately put it in there. No one knows their destiny at birth. And yet the conditions that caused that birth do open up the possibility of ties to other Nations that may or may not wish us well, and strange things do happen which destroy Nations.
The Founders were very well aware of this; issues of Citizenship were pretty high on everyone’s list at that time because of the turmoil that was afoot in the world. There were wars on a number of continents, soldiers of differing countries all over the place. And men and women are well men and women, kids happen. It mattered a lot what ties those kids had and where to.
It still does, the only difference is the fact that most people are unaware of it, and frankly don’t give a darn. They just want to live their lives and trust that Government is a fundamentally good thing and out to protect them and their families and futures. Well what happens when that Non-NBC American becomes President? He isn’t bound by the constitution because he is already breaking it.
Obama isn’t bound by the constitution, because he is already breaking it.
This means he can hand out our sovereignty in a Global Climate Treaty in Copenhagen, he can force through unconstitutional measures like Cap and Trade, and Health Care. He doesn’t give a rip because he isn’t bound by the very document which prevents those things. Because of his birth status, on a legal and philosophical standpoint, Obama can turn America into a Socialist State and there is nothing we can do to stop it.
Other than to throw him out of office which is our constitutional right as Americans.
In order to preserve our Constitution, we have to fight for it, and that means insisting - no, demanding - that it be followed. This is why Obama must resign.
For more info: Hawaiian Law Demands Obama records be made public, Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes, Obama's Achilles heel - Natural Born Citizenship, Citizenship – what America forgot, American Sovereignty - Obama's gift to the world
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Regarding your last statement concerning Obama resigning, please consider this. It's better to think of Obama as a computer virus who has been "programmed" (brainwashed) by his socialist mentors to do all the damage that it can do before it is detected and deleted, IMO.
The usurper has taken the office with the treasonous aid of the Democratic Party and ignorant populous. Fitting and pathetic. I always wondered and still wonder at what part of "natural born citizen" that everyone seemed to either not understand or chose to ignore. By Obama's own admission, his father was not a US citizen and by his own admission he did not have a US passport until 2004, well into his 40s. Thus, even he traveled under a foreign flag. Maybe he even attended US schools as a foreign student? It is all so sad that our nation is so easily usurped. And to think we wonder why Hitler, as an Austrian, gained power in Germany...
You spend a lot of energy here, Dianna, when you only need to review jus soli and jus sanguinis. Either one confers NBC. In McCain's case, jus sanguinis. In Obama's case, jus soli.
In any event, the only entity that can remove a sitting President is Congress.
You can take it to court, if you like, but you should probably review that path, and the dozens of dismissed cases littering that path.
Dianna... you done a terrific job explaining why we MUST follow the US Constitution to the letter. I also agree the citizens need to wake up & make sure ALL politicans follow the law. In this case of obama... he is breaking it & he knows it, along with many other in our gov't. It is time the truth comes out!! ANYONE who does NOT follow the Constitution of American must be considered a traitor & needs to go to jail or taken out of office. NO EXCEPTIONS!!
In the 1884 U.S. Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." In Elk v. Wilkins, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."
Even though John Elk was born a member of an Indian tribe on American soil, Elk could not meet the allegiance test of the jurisdictional phrase because he "owed immediate allegiance to" his tribe, a quasi-nation, and not to the United States. Because of this, the Court held that John Elk was not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States at birth, and therefore was not a U.S. citizen at birth.
Obot David, I am sorry, but the US uses both Jus Sanguinus and Jus Soli to determine Natural Born Citizenship. If you are commenting on standard citizenship, then you are correct. Either Just Soli or Jus Sanguinus is sufficient to have US Citizenship. Either alone is not Natural Born. A Natural Born Citizen must have both.
Ask yourself why Factcheck now lists Obama as a Native Born Citizen. That isn't Natural Born. Native born means born here. Natural Born means having parents (plural) who are citizens (plural) and being born on the soil of the US or its Territory.
You keep insisting and demanding sweetie, but the only people listening are your fellow tin foil hat lunatics. You are a certifiable idiot. But keep talking, you make all conservatives look like imbeciles, and provide the rest of us with much laughter.
LOL Olivia... missed you dear!
But you read the article didn't you. And I know now that you are wondering about all of this. Questioning what has been and is going on. You represent a good chunk of Americans, who are uneducated about issues regarding Citizenship and the Constitution. Most won't take the time to figure it out. But you are thinking about it now.
As far as I am concerned, Mission Accomplished.
Besides, aren't you just ecstatic that I have revealed that McCain was just as ineligible? You should be doing the happy dance! After all, I admitted someone close to my political position did something wrong! This ought to be a great victory to you in your mind... but, then again, you would have to admit I am right about Obama, so yea. Never mind.
Have a good day!
Dianna:
You truly have to distort a lot of case law in order to arrive, erroneously, at your conclusion. The truth is that there is no two parent requirement, nor is there a requirement to satisfy both Jus solis and jus sanguinis.
Look up US Code Title 8, Section 1401
And a friendly word of advice. Don't use your reasoning on your LSAT.
Dianna, still spreading that flat earther birther nonsense. "Ask yourself why Factcheck now lists Obama as a Native Born Citizen. That isn't Natural Born. Native born means born here. Natural Born means having parents (plural)who are citizens (plural) and being born on the soil of the US or its Territory." NO IT DOES NOT! Native Born...A natural born citizen; a citizen by birth: one wno owes his citizenship to the fact of his birth within the country referred to. Natural born citizen... Persons born within the jurisdiction of a natural government i.e.,in it's territorial limits. Native born and Natural Born are exactly the same thing! Source BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, Seventh Edition, 1999. Words have meaning except for flat earther birthers who go through life in delusion and just MAKING THINGS UP!!!! >
If the allegations are true, Obama can't really resign or be impeached from a job he neither has nor is eligible to perform. He should be charged criminally and physically removed by the police along with those criminals who conspired to have him illegally vetted. Reminds me of the time Seinfeld's George Costanza pretended to be hired by a law firm and took up an office space for about a week before he was detected.
obotdavy... & any other obama supporters that are here...
If the NBC doesn't matter why would the Democrats request NBC on John McCain? They were trying to dis-credit him to show he was ineligible to get him out of the way. (By the way, he too was NOT a NBC) So why is it ok to check McCain out BUT not to prove obama is eligible?? & please don't say the BC he posted online is proof, that is not proof.
Most people already know their are major concerns as he went to Pakistan in 1981 which was not allowed by ANY US citizen. So if obama was a NBC US citizen & qualified then how did he enter Pakistan? It could not been on another country passport as then he would prove ineligible to hold office!! So as they say, your reasoning does NOT hold water. The day will come soon when all the world will know the truth... it is being worked on as people read this. END of story!!
Obot DaveM, Barack Hussein Obama II, hasn't qualified as a candidate, and he committed fraud against the US citizens by entering the presidential race, therefore he is not a standing president, he is nothing but an usurper. Barack Hussein Obama II, committed fraud against the US citizens by participating in the DNC convention as a candidate. Barack Hussein Obama II, committed fraud against the US citizens by participating in the presidential primary election. Also, Nancy Pelosi did not properly represent the US citizens, when she sent fraudulent nomination certifications to 49 state elections officials, who then put his name on the ballots. Dick Cheney, President of the Senate, failed to properly represent the US citizens, when during the counting of the Electoral College vote, when he failed to call for objections to the count. Barack Hussein Obama II, committed fraud against the US citizens by participating in the presidential inauguration.
"American citizen by birth", and a "natural born US citizen", are two different entities, both sharing equal rights, but only one being eligible to be POTUS. Those born of the blood OR the soil, are USA citizens. Those born of the blood AND the soil, are USA Natural Born Citizens eligible for POTUS.
Immigrants are aliens who carry a passport and obey the laws. Illegal aliens don't have a passport, and don't obey the laws. Aliens do not have a birth right of USA citizenship. An alien is not subject to the Jurisdiction of the USA, as they are traveling under a passport, except both an illegal alien and an alien under passport, have not relinquished bonds to their homeland, nor established allegiance to the USA, and the citizenship of the mother transfers to the minor child. Aliens can run to or call on their consulates or Embassy, for help, since they owe allegiance to and are subject to the jurisdiction of laws and treaties, of their homeland, not the USA. A child born to an alien mother, with no known USA citizen father, on USA soil, really should not be a USA citizen, since the parent is subject to foreign jurisdiction, and has not established allegiance to the USA. Also the children, born to USA citizens who express allegiance to foreign governments, should not be USA citizens.
Borderraven...Only when the earth is flat... 14 ammendment "All persons born (natural born) or naturalized (by law; statute) are citizens of the United States...There are only two kinds of citizens all the rest are flat earther birther delusions and you really need to "QUIT MAKING THINGS UP!" the earth is flat the earth is flat the earth is flat ,just repeat over and over and it will become reality for you,,,
Obot Dave, You are going to have to do better than this.
www(dot)law(dot)cornell.edu/uscode/HowCurrent.php/?tn=8&fragid=T08F00251&extid=usc_sec_08_00001401----000-&sourcedate=2009-09-16&proctime=Thu%20Sep%2017%2004:26:33%202009
"Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 5, 2009, and it is this version that is published here." - US Code Cornell Law
Dave, the ONLY law that is applicable to Citizenship is the one in effect at the time of the Birth of the person in question. Not the law in effect today.
Secondly, That statute refers to CITIZENSHIP, not Natural Born Citizenship, which is in this case the ONLY legal distinction that matters. Better luck next time.
Pennick - I refer you to www(dot)therightsideoflife.com/?p=6504 Craig vs. The United States:
"10th CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS HOLDING:
The district court correctly determined that it lacked subject-matter
jurisdiction over this case…
Even liberally construed, Mr. Craig’s claim is not grounded in a constitutional or federal question: there is no such “right” (a) to have courts adopt his proffered legal definition, (b) to be classified as a citizen pursuant to that definition, or (c) to obtain certification of the status he attempts to define."
Leo Donofrio: "That’s an incredible holding. It simply crushed the mantra which cries that 14th Amendment native born citizens have a legal right to be deemed natural born citizens have a legal right to be deemed natural born citizens. According to this holding, not even a native born US citizen like Mr. Craig – whose parents were both US citizens at the time of his birth – has a right to obtain certification of natural born citizen sta
More from Leo Donofrio:
"Furthermore, the court unequivocally stated that the claim was not grounded in a Constitutional or federal question. The Court quotes the following case law to support its position:
"We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1…
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163, 165-66 (1964) (quoting Osborn v. Bank of U.S., 22 U.S. (9 Wheat.) 738, 827 (1824))…
(cont above)
Donofrio: "That quote from Schneider v. Rusk is very important. It states that the rights of all citizens, naturalized or native born are equal. It carefully uses those two terms in discussing equal rights. But the Supreme Court used a different term than “native born” in the next sentence as to Presidential eligibility where they indicate that the only thing which separates natural born citizens from all naturalized citizens and those native born citizens who do not rise to nbc status is the ability to be President."
The information from the last three posts comes from: naturalborncitizen(dot)wordpress.com/2009/08/24/craig-v-us-10th-circuit-court-of-appeals-held-08-05-2009-14th-amendment-native-born-citizens-have-no-constitutional-right-to-natural-born-citizen-status/
Stormy: There was no travel ban to Pakistan when Obama went in 1981 That is a complete fallacy, even if it is central to the Legends of Birthology.
You further propagate the myth that Congress did anything but pass a resolution recognizing McCain's jus sanguinis NBC status. It didn't change his status at all.
Still living in your flat earther birther world??? Craig vs. the U.S. was kicked out of court and was thrown out a second time on appeal on Aug.5, 2009. "MR Craig's claim is not grounded in ANY CONSTITUTIONAL OR FEDERAL LAW!!!!"there is no such “right” (a) to have courts adopt his proffered legal definition, (b) to be classified as a citizen pursuant to that definition, or (c) to obtain certification of the status he attempts to define." So you try to prove your case by citing a case that was thrown out of court!!! HA HA HA HA....Proving once again that the flat earther birthers are stone cold crazy, and suffer from delusions.
So, while all these intellectuals and wannabe legal eagles rant and rave about Obama's right to eat, sleep and otherwise function @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., the point is lost that Barry is here until WE unseat him in 2012. No amount of griping will prompt his ouster. Isn't it obvious by now that Obama and his thuggish despots are putting the finishing touches to decades of
the slow destruction of our Republic? It may not be as terrible as it seems. Americans now overlook the definition of freedom. People grin numbly at me at me when I express my concern about an absence of National patriotism among us. Many have grown up in an America that, after the WW's and the dawning of technology, became increasingly complacent and ever-confident that "everything's gonna be OK" (We called it EGBOK). No matter how horrifying wars (declared and otherwise) are, denial is the response of the day. Remeber the flags after 9/11? Where are they now? Only our own informed votes can save America's future.
Dianna - The problem is that US law, has defined by over 200+ years of case law and courthouse rulings, only recognize two states of US citizenship.
1) Citizenship at birth, also called "Natural-Born" or "Native-Born". This classifies a citizen who's citizenship was granted at birth, either though:
a) Birth within the United States or US territory (jus soli)
b) Birth outside of the United States to a US citizen or citizens (jus sanguinis)
2) Citizenship via naturalization, i.e. someone who adopts US citizenship as an adult.
There's nothing in US law that regresses citizenship status based on the parent or parents being non-US citizens (under jus soli) or a single parent being a non-US citizen (under jus sanguinis) It's a binary state - legally one is either a US citizen at birth or a naturalized US citizen, with no other levels between those states. And under US law, a naturalized US citizen cannot become president - which means a non-naturalized US citizen can.
borderraven - "Those born of the blood AND the soil, are USA Natural Born Citizens eligible for POTUS."
The term you're looking for is "Blut und Boden", as Darré popularized the phrase in 1930
storm7 - You might want to double check some of your facts. According to the US State Department, there was no travel ban on US citizens going to Pakistan in 1984. In fact, The New York Times in August of 1984 did an article on tourism in Lahore, Pakistan and stated all you needed was a visa that you could get upon reaching Pakistan by air.
The US government had no restrictions on US citizens traveling to Pakistan and Pakistan itself had no restrictions on US citizens traveling to their country.
You can double check the info for yourself if you wish
PatGund - If you are correct, then why mention a third? Natural Born?
Look, if you are talking about Braeburn Apples and Fuji apples you name them both. If you are talking about Apples, you only say Apples. If you are not talking about different types of apples, why mention it?
Its basic logic to conclude that if the Founders deliberately speak of Natural Born, and court cases mention Natural Born, and all do so specifically, then there IS a difference between Citizen and Natural Born Citizen.
Dianna,
You will ultimately lose that argument. There IS no difference between Native born and Natural Born.
The difference exists only in the minds of birthers.
Take for example the WWI Draft Cards found by Loren. The choices to describe oneself were:
(1) a natural-born citizen, (2) a naturalized citizen, (3) an alien, (4) or have you declared your intention (specify which)?
Where does it say "native-born"? If there is a difference, where is it?
There were 2 other types of cards. None support your position. You can see them at barackryphal.
Dr.Conspiracy has a portions of a transcripts that shows Justice Ginsburg and Scalia awould not be on your side:
You can see them at obamaconspiracy.org.
If it would ever get to trial, and I don't think it will, the birthers would lose.
But, I don't believe it will get that far.
Just because the birthers want to believe something, doesn't make it so.
VOTE OBAMA 2012!!!
"If McCain were a NBC born on a Military Base inside the Panama Canal Territory (legally US Territory), why would he need the congress to reaffirm his status?".
Unless you define NBC earlier such as Natural Born Citizenship (NBC), you cannot just start with NBC. I thought you meant the network. Also its not capitalized. and its not citizenship, its citizen. You basically wrote 'If McCain were Natural Born Citizenship born." Not proper grammar.
"If McCain were a natural born citizen from a military base inside the Panama Canal, which is legally a U.S. territory, why would he need Congress to reaffirm his status?"
Ok now go revamp the rest to remove incorrect capitalizations and acronyms.
Dianna - Because the courts and legal texts over the last 200+ have been using "Natural-Born" and "Native-Born" interchangably.
Examples:
"There is no difference in right between the native-born citizen and the naturalized alien, except that the latter cannot be made president or vice-president of the United States."
- The Citizen of the United States, Simeon E. Baldwin, pg.94 (available on Google Books)
"To be a candidate for President of the United States, a person must be a natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. This provision gave the American people the right to have a President who would always be one of the their own native-born fellow citizens."
- “The Making of America” by W. Cleon Skousen, p. 528 (Published in 1985 by The National Center for Constitutional Studies. Note the use of both "Natural Born" and "Native Born")
(more examples following)
“The Constitution requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen of the United States…”
- Preparing for citizenship : an elementary textbook in civics (1913) by Guitteau, William Backus
"“Citizens are either natural-born or naturalized. One who is born in the United States or under its jurisdiction is a natural-born citizen without reference to the nationality of his parents. Their presence here constitutes a temporary allegiance, sufficient to make a child a citizen.”
- Commentaries on the Law of Persons and Personal Property (Dwight, 1997), p. 125
(one more in the end post)
And finally :
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli" persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President."
The Heritage Guide to the Constitution” (2006), edited by Edwin Meese, Attorney General under Ronald Reagan, and authored by James C. Ho.
Some of those are quite Conservative sources, some are older sources. All of them predate Obama running for office, and most predate McCain's first bid in 2000.
Thank you Dianna for for defending the truth. You are one of the few but strong advocates. Keep up the good work.
I have witnessed, with great sadness, this country being destroyed by forces that tried to destroy my home country - Poland. Ultimately, democracy prevailed and the entire former Soviet bloc has enjoyed freedom for 2 dacades. It was possible because of America's leadership. It seems that the dark forces which used to oppress Eastern Europe did not disappear. Now this country is being destroyed from within. If we allow the constitution, rule of law, and the US fall victim, the entire world is doomed. God help us.
Change the hypothetical. Suppose it is a naturalized Russian who fathers the child. Nevertheless, he's brought up as a commie, and he travels to Russia to study, etc., where his grandfather gets him teh connections, etc.
Then the child comes back to the US when he's 36 (as a natural born citizen he never had any residency requirement for citizenship, and he's already put in his 14 years) and makes that same meteoric rise, and somehow is elected President.
Washington, Jefferson and Franklin are still spinning in their graves, but the natural-born citizen requirement doesn't help.
But the Birthers or these NeoBirthers would be saying "He's not eligible! It says he has to have 'attained to the Age of thirty-five Years ... within the United States.' and his birthday party was in Moscow!"
We've got four boxes in democracy, and the proper boxes to stop this president were not jury, but soap and ballot.
"""We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President."
CLEARLY the court sees that there IS a difference between Native born and Natural born and SAYS so. "
The difference is between (native born) and (naturalized). The sole difference is (naturalized) can't become President.
The court might have said "The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the citizen who was born a citizen is eligible to be President." -- and you'd be saying there are three categories: natural born, native born (from other cases), and citizen who was born a citizen.
"We sell only two kinds of apples: Macintosh and Granny Smith. They are completely identical in all ways, except for one difference: the green apples are more tart." Are there 3 kinds of apples in that store?
"You see, the GOP let this happen because its candidate had the same problem that Obama did.
It explains so much that made no sense at the time. But the puzzle pieces fit."
And Hillary didn't mention it in the Primaries why?
David Chesler - Not only didn't Hillary mention it in the Democratic Primary, but none of McCain's opponents mentioned the same thing about McCain in the GOP primaries.
And in both cases, the primaries were quite hotly contested.
Which suggests to me that they looked into it and decided that it wasn't an issue.
Pat, if you are arguing for SCOTUS to get a case to make a decision on, I am right with you. Because right now, I am firmly of the opinion that the "President" is not a a Natural Born Citizen.
This is an issue that must be decided.
Dianna wrote:
"This is an issue that must be decided. "
They already have, Dianna. They already have. Why do they need to do it over? Because he's black? To satisfy some splinter group in the body politic?
Your reasoning is flawed. Your research is flawed. Your Constitutional aptitude is deeply flawed.
joe:
Please contact Dianna Cotter at her email addres ,,,
For really hearty laughs for all the sane folks, check out the fresh batch of crazy being cooked up by the Birfoon Bunch Donofrio/Danae/MissTickly:
misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/the-hawaiian-royals-open-thread/
So now Obama is ineligible because he is Hawaiian Royalty. That's what they are just about to force Hawaii to admit. The whole state of Hawaii is sooooo on the ropes!
Birfoon mockers have suggested to them that they should fight for Hawaiian sovereignty to make Obama not American, but as it always turns out, Birfoons just turn every joke about them into reality...
Dianna - SCOTUS has had several chances to look into the matter.
Each time they've declined to do so. Clearly they feel the subject is already clearly defined in US law and previous court cases. I suspect that if they did revisit it, it would only be to confirm those previous cases.
I will point out that this does clear the way for Bobby Jindal to run if he so chooses. While neither of his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth, (both were still citizens of India) he was born in the United States and therefore though jus soli is a Natural Born US citizen
ObotDave, If SCOTUS has decided a case that specifically defines Natural Born Citizen from that of Citizen please name the case.
Good luck with that because there isn't one.
PatGund,
SCOTUS decides the cases before it. Not the ones that are not. There has never been a decision that specifically defines Natural Born Citizen from Citizen. If there had been we would not be having this discussion and I rather think that Obama would not be President.
Jindal is not a Natural Born Citizen unless his parents were naturalized citizens when he was born. I don't know if they were or not.
Obama is no more Hawaiian Royalty than I am. I was born in Hawaii too. Obama would not qualify as a Native Hawaiian and is not eligible for any of the benefits that status brings.
Dianna - at least five "birther" lawsuits have been appealed to the Supreme Court (the original Berg v Obama, Keyes v Bowen, Lightfoot v Bowen, as well as Cort Wrotknowski and Leo Donofrio's original cases".
All of them have been rejected from consideration by the Supreme Court.
Again, the "two parent citizen = natural born citizen" theory isn't backed up in either US law or US court cases. One is either a citizen at birth (jus soli OR jus sanguinis) or one is a citizen via naturalization. There is no "third level" or "supercitizen" that one is a citizen by both blood and soil.
Think of it as a binary problem. Because that's it. A US citizen is a citizen either by birth or naturalization, with no other levels above or between them. A citizen from birth can become president. A naturalized one cannot.
"Obama is no more Hawaiian Royalty than I am"
How do you claim to know? Have you seen any evidence that he's not? :-)
In the case of Bobby Jindal, his parents arrived in the country a few months before his birth. Since they cannot have met the residency requirements for citizenship before his birth, they could not have been naturalized citizens.
But since he was born in the US, that doesn't matter because he is a Natural Born US citizen due to jus soli.
ObotDave... Just his certificate of live birth which states that he is the son of Stanley Ann Dunham (white Us citizen from Kansas) and Barack Obama Sr, (Black, Kenya, British citizen) Neither of them have a single drop of Hawaiian blood, let alone in quantities that would lead any sane person to believe that Obama could ever possibly be of 75% Direct descendant Hawaiian ancestry. Not even close.
No pat, he is a citizen, not Natural Born Citizen. A Natural Born Citizen requires Parents who were citizens at the time of his birth (please note the PLURAL). They were not, and citizenship is never retroactive.
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