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Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org

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Sep 20, 2007 10:16 AM (441 days ago) by Bill Sammon, The Examiner
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President Bush gestures during his press conference in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House, Thu, Sep. 20 in Washington. He publicly excoriated Democrats for not repudiating Moveon.org, an activist liberal group, which ran a newspaper ad attacking a respected U.S. general.
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President Bush gestures during his press conference in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House, Thu, Sep. 20 in Washington. He publicly excoriated Democrats for not repudiating Moveon.org, an activist liberal group, which ran a newspaper ad attacking a respected U.S. general.
Washington DC (Map, News) - In his first public comments on the MoveOn.org controversy, President Bush on Thursday excoriated Democrats for not repudiating the activist liberal group, which ran a newspaper ad attacking a respected U.S. general.

Responding to a question by The Examiner at a White House press conference, Bush ripped last week's MoveOn.org ad in the New York Times that mocked General David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, as "General Betray Us" and accused him of "cooking the books" on Iraq.

"I thought that the ad was disgusting," a clearly agitated Bush said. "I felt like the ad was an attack, not only on General Petraeus, but on the U.S. military. And I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democrat Party spoke out strongly against that kind of ad.

"That leads me to come to this conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like MoveOn.org -- are more afraid of irritating them than they are of irritating the United States military," he said.

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"That was a sorry deal," Bush concluded. "It's one thing to attack me. It's another thing to attack somebody like General Petraeus."

Eli Pariser, Executive Director of MoveOn.org's Political Action Committee, took this as an invitation to accuse Bush himself of betrayal.

"What's disgusting is that the president has more interest in political attacks than developing an exit strategy to get our troops out of Iraq and end this awful war," Pariser said after the press conference.

"The president has no credibility on Iraq: he lied repeatedly to the American people to get us into the war. Most Americans oppose the war and want us to get out. Right now, there are about 168,000 American soldiers in Iraq, caught in the crossfire of that country's unwinnable civil war, and the president has betrayed their trust and the trust of the American people."

The ad has not been denounced by most leading Democrats, including the top-tier contenders for their party's presidential nomination -- Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards.

bsammon@dcexaminer.com

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6:30 PM MST on Wed., Oct. 24, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 eddie said:
I'm suing all of you for not doing properly civil rights the way Martin would of had it and how Mr.Malcolm used it,to build

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6:22 PM MST on Wed., Oct. 24, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 eddie said:
I'm slamming all of you white folks and you aiding and abedding negrids whom has gotten us to this point in life having no fight for civil rights,and the Pharoah's and Herod's,that's 21st Century killing off the young males average age 20 and lower so their be no production of mostly a cursed white entity and the slave white school attended negroes whom has no culture or sense of purpose for returning home and living like JOB,Noah,DANIEL,to get out of D.C.and cease the SCANDALs,negrids are a part of for vowing to whitey and klan never to do GOD's work in helping the poor constantly,instead of stealing,killing and destroying,in the name of demonic racism or demonicracy,so all over 6'ers must exist vastly without doubt and no more ignoring Eddie and I angels to stop them chasing all of you at your unawares...

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10:01 PM MST on Sat., Sep. 22, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Scott Harmon said:
Oh, one more thing (please forgive me for trying to correct the record and write so much), but this comment bothers me: "Scot says justify why Bush and Patreus know more than the American public. Maybe because one is the President of the United States and the other is the top General in Iraq were the war is being fought and the American public hasn't been to Iraq? Just a quess Scot. BTW do you recieve classifed intel from the CIA or NSA about what is going on over there? Didn't think so." My answer is: I have more insight than this reader knows about. (I won't discuss it.) Nevertheless, I won't try to answer my own questions. Whether Petraeus or Bush know more is not relevant to my argument. Tactics are different than strategy and policy. Generals are not authorized to debate or promote policy (really), so Petraeus is doing his job in fighting the war. The issue, aside from the distractions and knowledge issue, is whether we Americans want to continue this policy.

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5:15 PM MST on Sat., Sep. 22, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 The Stalinist Koz said:
MoveOn.org is an extremest organization, like so many supporters of the democrat party. Look to college campus' for front groups, like the racist Mecha crowd. Racially exclusionary groups like BSU. The democrat party has absorbed those who have espoused the ideology of mayhem, or for them, better yet, murder of those who disagreed with them, consider the Weather Underground, the Venceramos Brigades, the SLA, and the SDS, why they were called "PROGRESSIVES". Catherine Solia, and Abbie Hoffman, while on the run, worked for the "progressive" democrats of their choice. Tom Hayden, of course, ran as a democrat, as did Huey Newton. And when you read the screeds of many in these threads, consider this, they purvey themselves as the arbiters of goodness and tolerance!

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5:09 PM MST on Sat., Sep. 22, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 The Stalanist Koz said:
You want to talk about hate? And YOU are a liberal? Fascist liberalism, and it's sainted, deceased President Roosevelt, put US citizens of Japanese decent, in "internment" camps. Fascist demokrats, created and maintained the Jim Crow Laws. Martin Luther King, contemptuously referred to Southern Democrats, like Wallace and Bull Conner, as impediments to Black Civil Rights. Historically, they the democrats, the "progressives",referred to Joseph Stalin as "Uncle Joe". To them, Pol Pot, was an "agrarian reformer".

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7:49 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Scott Harmon said:
And, to finish my response to Gav (below): As for the issue of Muhammed, this is saber rattling. Many of the Islamic populace are fleeing their countries because they can’t stand their despotic governments, can’t find jobs, or whatever; others are trying to change their governments, which we should encourage. Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan are surrounded by Russia, China, India, Europe, Turkey, and Israel. (These are hardly weak powers.) If this war were about containing Muhammed, then the duty would first fall to these neighbors. Let’s get serious about this debate--it is about strategic positioning. But that doesn’t rattle the populace, so we’ve got to create all sorts of hobgoblins. My issue continues to be whether this strategic positioning is worth 20 years of imperialism, at great cost to the American nation. Are we willing to sacrifice it to the whims of an unconstrained government, or do we want to have the debate for the next 20 years?

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7:46 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Scott Harmon said:
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution grants the power to Congress for declaration of war. Since the end of WWII, the Congress has not declared war. Presidents have acted unilaterally or by the transfer of responsibility (in Bush’s case) to wage a war. Congress has no Constitutional power to delegate this war-making power. I see no reason to turn this into a Clinton-Bush bashing--both of them, and others before them, should have been held accountable. The Congress is abdicating its responsibility here, as in many other matters. So, if we want to pick and choose about the Constitution, why not allow the elites to toss it out altogether? (That isn’t my choice.) As to the point of this war being our war, that is true, and it truly means we share in the decision to end it (or continue it) as the case may be. We are having this debate today, every single day, because of the failure of Congress to follow their oaths of office, and a unitary Executive who will grab what is not prot

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2:40 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 BarryB said:
"And as long as there is no tolerance for the beliefs of those in the minority ..." you say this, and yet you want to shut me up!! You are amazing! The Democratic party is ready and willing to be domonated by the teachings of Islam. If we as a nation would just try, we will see that this is the path we (Liberals) have been on for years. Do not be afraid to come into the light. "These aren't the droids we're looking for."

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2:27 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
You have to love the ability for everyone to overlook an attack on US soil that killed 3000 Americans. Yes, Bush moved the target, but there still are enemies out there and they are not the Taliban. Grow up. I would love to see your reactions if your loved ones were murdered in one grotesque act. Does 9/11 allow for the war in Iraq? No, but it does allow for us all to be more pro-American and less scared to make a mistake in the World. Bush is doing the best job he can and Petraeus is a true hero who has given his life to this country and the US military. That ad is wrong and ignorant. Seems we are quickly becoming a country of "not in my backyard." Get attacked - do nothing? If the democrats want to focus on issues, go after Katrina, Jena, the medicare subs., Bush's spending, education - all the areas of our country he is undersupporting. Leave national security to those who actually know what they are doing.

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2:21 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
BarryB, just stop typing already and quit while you're behind. A country-wide conversion to yours or anyone else's religion is not the answer. Whether England and France or any other place become "Islamic states" is irrelevant. There will ALWAYS be people in EVERY country that do not believe the same thing as the majority. And as long as there is no tolerance for the beliefs of those in the minority (which is currently one of America's greatest problems) there will never be peace.

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1:17 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 BarryB said:
Ok, I may not speak for all Democrats. But what would be the harm in letting go of a few of our Christian hang-ups. England and France will, in very short time, be Islamic states. They have welcomed the followers of the Koran with open arms and hearts. As Democrats we must do the same. Stop the phony war on terrorism and let Islam into our hearts. "These aren't the droids we're looking for."

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1:14 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 R.J. said:
Go ahead and try to hide the truth, you won't get away with it. You just condem yourself. Shrub started the war with lies. Anyone who supports the war supports lies and the liar. Because there is truth juststice and God, Shrub and his supporters are destined to loose.

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12:21 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
BarryB does not speak for this Democrat. Although I believe in God, I do not want any religion whatsoever in my government. If we all agreed on God, no problem. Since we don't, keep your God out of my government & I will keep mine out of yours. My God says thou shalt not kill, thus I am against the war. My God says love thy neighbor, thus I am for cooperation, tolerance and compassion. My God doesn't command me to kill others even if they are guilty of killing someone else. I prefer my God in my government, but I know a lot of pseudo-Christians would not agree, as well as other religious groups, therefore, let's all keep our Gods to ourselves.

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11:14 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
It's nice to know that our president uses one of his lackeys (Hi Big Stretch Sammon) to pitch him a softball question to set up MoveOn.org with a parting Bush tirade. (Notice how this is the only Bush comment that wasn't bungled - premeditated and well rehearsed). This kind of disingenuous "journalism" is a travesty. Can't Big Stretch, or whatever he's called, see that thinking voter's aren't buying the rot he is helping to spread?

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9:48 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 BarryB said:
I think I speak for most Democrats when I ask what would be so bad about living under an Islamic dominated government here in the USA. Christian rule has lead us into war after war...Islam can save our country from the self destructive path we've been on for the last hundred years. This is the message Hillary and Obama should make very clear to the voters.

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7:57 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
We are sleeping Giants in any administrations watch. Outsourcing and identity theft number one, funds cut in no child left behind, Funds cut on National security, Global warming and texas oil. Congress is our only hope. Never trust just one mans veto. Change the veto process!!

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7:25 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Rizzo said:
There will always be fighting in the world. Why do you assume they will "expand their area for conflict here"? Do you honestly believe the average American is going to allow an invasion to occur in our country? I'm not talking military, I'm talking about American citizens. I don't think that's a possibility. I do think that is republican fear tactics they'll use to curtail more of your/my rights.

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6:53 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Rizzo said:
No, the media was silenced under Bush's direction at the onset of this war. Photographers were forbidden from publishing photos of the caskets returning home from the war. Bush wanted to shield the reality of the war from the American public in order to maintain his support and impliment the patriot act. Our guys were sent over there, ill prepared and without equipment. Families were buying vests and sending them over there instead of having this stuff supplied. (The police academy told us they send used vests to our soldiers so they can put them in the doors of their vehicles). This "war" is open ended. There is no "plan". Guys who went over there were supposed to come home, had their tours extended for months and months. I don't fault Paraeus personally, he does work under Bush and ultimately, Bush is responsible.

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6:29 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Rizzo- Nobody's ignoring the real issues. Nobody is saying that the ad is not protected under freedom of speech. What people are saying is that this ad was boorish and childish, and if anyone is willing to forgoe civil discourse in the name of partisan attacks aimed not at CANDIDATES but politically neutral generals, before they even speak, then those people (such as MOVEON and their supporters) are 'cutting off their nose to spite their face.' And the only people talking about limiting speech are Democrats who want to silence conservative pundits. Your rights haven't been trampled or even effected- this is a lie the left perpetrates as a fear tactic. Much like pitting the poor against the rich.

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6:27 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Rizzo said:
The ad itself is not important. Our rights are. If you don't like it, don't read it. I read the ad, it's no big deal. I'd hardly say it was worth a presidential mention as are so many other issues which aren't being addressed. A good defense is a good offense.

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6:21 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 The Snowman said:
I'll tell you what, I've been dissapointed in the handling of the war to date and have not contributed a dime to any of the GOP flyers I get in the mail because of it. This moveon.org crap is getting my blood boiling and my check book is going to start getting a work out for all those GOP flyers I get.

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6:20 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Bush is in such denial about the fact that He has taken our nation and plundered it.Every body elses fault. He has more bodies than many of histories despots. He is a classic sociopath and a clever one at that. I voted for him twice because of the choices given. If he really wants to destroy evil he schould start by taking himself and all of the political hacks called congress and walk into the sea. That would be a good start.

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6:15 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 G Kendalll, Lancaster, PA said:
Wow, who’s betraying who? I would think the best judge of the answer to this question would be the ones that are supposed to have been betrayed. So wha do you suppose the troops would say have betrayed them, the President or MoveOn.org; the President or the Democrat leadership in congress?

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6:14 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Rizzo said:
Still beating a dead horse? Aren't there more important issues than this ad? You people want to dwell on this little stuff and the major issues go unnoticed. What is wrong with you? Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc~ you're cutting off your nose to spite your face! In other words, you find the ad offensive, therefore paving the way for someone to consider making changes to the media, cutting out more of our rights.

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5:35 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 george said:
can't we all just get along?

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5:25 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Skip said:
MoveOn.Org needs to be careful.......it is not a far jump to MorOn.Org.........

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5:13 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
The previous comment is obviously intended to warn the democrats about the terrorists. Of course, we've already done that. They won't listen.

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5:10 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
fas·cism (fash'iz'?m) Pronunciation Key n. often Fascism A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

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5:03 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 We Need Ron said:
Anyone else tired of all these lefties crying about a "facist" state? How long have they been using this line to defend all their anti-American crap? If this was a facist state, all you people would be gone by now. So shut up and move on dot org!

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5:03 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 paul said:
moveon.org should just move on! Protecting this country is serious buisness. It takes leadership and guts. Our President and GEN. Petraeus are doing what needs to be done.

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4:59 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
You people can applaud this group all you want- it remains a childish and unprofessional display of bitter partisanship. Keep cheering guys- polls indicate MOVEON was a huge assistant to Bush's re-election. Once again ignore history and champion these hateful groups- you fail to realize (again) that extreme views alienate the moderates and swing voters. We always appreciate the help. Also, please continue to under-estimate another actor- Mondale was beating Reagan in every poll. You still managed to give the election away.

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4:57 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Come on, I've been waiting, but I have yet to see anyone defend our constitution. A little history lesson. The U.S. is our "how to" guide to define America and what we stand for. Number 1 one rule. Anyone? That's right FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Years ago the "I'm so offended" bunch tried to shut up disgusting groups from saying things that were absolutely hate filled and ignorant. Such as the KKK. However, we as Americans knew it was their right, whether we liked it or not to say it. Wake up people. Today you can get booted out the door or even taserd or arrested for wearing some stupid political slogan t-shirt. And you're all just applauding like this is the way to go. Yeah, the way to go to a facist state. Oh and all those holier than thou conservs. I remember the swift boat attacks and what they did to good "Military men" in or der to get themselves elect. Hypocrits. Good luck.

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4:44 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Mike said:
MoveOn.org should be dissolved and the people running it should be brought up on charges of treason!! General Petraeus is a Four Star General who has faught for this country and has been wounded several times in battle. He is the reason we can sleep at night and not worry. Him and others like him are the reason you left-wing Libs can speak out and disrespect this nation. But that free speach does not allow you to make false accusations against our military and its Generals or to accuse our government of planning the attacks of 9/11...that is treasonous!!

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4:30 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Richard Young said:
Democrats are not suffering MoveOn.org, they are applauding them. The Democratic party of John Kennedy and Scoop Jackson is gone. Today it is the old socialist and communist retreads that are in charge of this disgusting bunch. Lucky for them the American public is slow to awaken, slow to see, slow to understand, and slow to anger. These sorry, Soros marionettes will reap the whirlwind.

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4:15 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Mary Lou said:
MoveOn.org days are numbered , the end will come sooner then you think.Also the Dems. have a rude awakening on the horizon.hilery will not be the next President of the United States of America.

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4:06 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 MaximusZee said:
"We were attacked six years ago , without warning or predicate event. The attack was not a gesture of heroic resistance nor the offshoot of some bright utopian resolve, but the very flower of a movement that delights in the potential for martyrdom expressed in the squalls of the newly born. It is a movement that is about death—that honors death, that loves death, that fetishizes death, that worships death, that seeks to accomplish death wherever it can, on a scale both intimate and global—and if it does not warrant the expenditure of what the self-important have taken to calling "blood and treasure," then what does? Slavery? Fascism? Genocide? Let's not flatter ourselves: If we do not find it within ourselves to identify the terrorism inspired by radical Islam as an unequivocal evil—and to pronounce ourselves morally superior to it—then we have lost the ability to identify any evil at all, and our democracy is not only diminished, it dissolves into the meaninglessness of privilege."

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3:26 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Can't they make up their mind WHO betrayed us? Is it Bush or Patreus? MoveOn.org is TOTALLY UN-PATRIOTIC!!!!!

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3:07 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
It Is un-American for us to want our troops to come home from the Middle East

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2:12 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Gav said:
Examiner Reader (coward) said: "After reading all these posts supposedly by the ex-members of the military, I can no longer support the military, even though my daughter is in it. And my family has fought for this country for generations, ever since the first family member came here. I spit in your eye! You lay down your children't life for a lie so you can feel good about yourselves. You are all pure evil that support this war. You care more about being right than your children's lives. If they ever find out, I pity you." Fine, don't support us (military). In the meantime, we'll defend, until our dying breath, your right to disparage us in the name of free speech. The more you hate me, the more I'll love you back. Narcissists like you will probably never grasp this. As for your daughter, I thank her for her service. I'll leave it up to you to inform her that she's, "pure evil."

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2:10 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
I applaud Moveon for saying the truth which is what the Bush Administration can't bear to hear. By criticizing this general and his support of this administration in no way reflects our feelings toward our soldiers. Bush always hides behind the military. Bush is a coward and I refuse to stand by and let him continue to send our men and women to fight in a war that is senseless and unwinnable. Thank you MoveOn and continue to fight for our freedom of speech.

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2:03 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Scot says justify why Bush and Patreus know more than the American public. Maybe because one is the President of the United States and the other is the top General in Iraq were the war is being fought and the American public hasn't been to Iraq? Just a quess Scot. BTW do you recieve classifed intel from the CIA or NSA about what is going on over there? Didn't think so.

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1:56 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Examiner Reader said:
Thats because the libs really do talk out of both sides of their mouth. If Bush lied then all the top Dems did as well since they had the same intel as Bush and they had it first when Clinton was in office! That's the inconvenient truth the libs want to ignore. But hey everyone knows that Libs are living in a fantasy world.

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1:48 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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Well Scot, perhaps if you really were conservative as you claim you wouldn't question why we are fighting in Iraq or anywhere else. The problem with you libs and moderates is that you either ignore reality or are afraid to take a stand for freedom. Having had a college roomate from Kuwait many years ago I can attest that many people from that region do not live in the modern world. They are literaly stuck in biblical times. Furthermore the more radical ones ARE out to destroy our way of life. Just because they don't have a Panzer division racing across Europe doesn't make them any less dangerous. In fact these terrorists are more fearful because they are not easily identifiable. Political solutions would be nice but you can't negotiate with someone whose sole purpose is to eradicate you. Where do you start? "Don't kill me just yet and I'll be nice to you"? This has never worked in the history of man ever. Finally Scot, do want to fight them in the streets of your home town or in

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1:44 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Gav said:
Scott, you're absolutely right. Per the constitution, the President can't unilaterally go to war without the consent of the Congress. This is why Clinton should REALLY should have been impeached when he sent troops to Kosovo (forget Monica). He never got congressional approval and, instead, consulted NATO. The big difference here is that Bush did what the Constitution demands (get consent from Congress), and they gave it to him (practically unanimously). So, for those of you that want to call this "Bush's war," I highly suggest that you take a look at your elected representatives in the House and the Senate, and see how they voted. For those of you not smart enough to see the writing on the wall, this is OUR WAR. If you disagree, I suggest you go out and buy your prayer rugs now, while prices are still low. You'll need them when your pansy arses willingly bow down to Muhammad. Just remember which way is East, lest your heads will get removed.

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1:35 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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After reading all these posts supposedly by the ex-members of the military, I can no longer support the military, even though my daughter is in it. And my family has fought for this country for generations, ever since the first family member came here. I spit in your eye! You lay down your children't life for a lie so you can feel good about yourselves. You are all pure evil that support this war. You care more about being right than your children's lives. If they ever find out, I pity you.

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1:16 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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Sounds to me just a way to change the subject from bringing the troops HOME! Children do the same when they don't want to go to bed!!!!!!!!!

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1:07 AM MST on Fri., Sep. 21, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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to 'bobby register' who criticized the jews and linked them to Bush, consider who is the executive director of Moveon.org,.Eli Pariser, a jew. No idea why numerous jewish people allign with the democratic party when it's so obvious numerous of them hate jews and criticize Israel constantly. Of course, while maintaining silence on arabian, korean, chinese, african, iranian... atrocities. Not to mention genocides. All of that just floats under their radar.

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11:08 PM MST on Thu., Sep. 20, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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This undistinguished behavior is outside the purview of the US Senate, just as many actions taken by the Executive in recent memory have been reaches beyond proportion, scale and legality. There seems, among lawmakers, to be a consensus to decline the dignity and utility of our Government and Constitution, and for reasons I cannot fathom, to risk imperiling it, as though we will profit. Who profits from censuring voices in a democracy, but an aristocracy? Shall we next deify some personages, say, the Imperial Twins? Moveon.com, whatever their lapses of judgment, if any, is neither the culprit here, nor the threat to our way of life, nor even of interest, and I hope this shameful legislation inspires us to demonstrate allegiance to the values these elected scoundrels threaten with an impiety reminiscent of the Romans, who ruined, what we consider, in retrospect, a sacred and inspired attempt at civilization.

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10:33 PM MST on Thu., Sep. 20, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

 Scott Harmon said:
I am reading the comments of many people, trying to comprehend what the matter is with this war. I continue to see numerous comments about MoveOn--who the Hell cares? It is literally politcal sloganeering. Does not anyone care why we are waging the war, and what are the benefits? If you care about the war, then explain why we have to fight it. If you don't, then explain why we should get out of Iraq. Educate me--I'm struggling to find out why we have to be so concerned about a sloganeering tactic when there are people dying, an impending economic collapse, and an eroding form of self-government. And please spare the epithets--I've been in the military and voted conservatively my entire life. Take the challenge--justify why Bush and Petraeus know more than the American public. Explain the threat to our national security. Explain why massive US interventionism is justifiable. Do what Bush does not, and give us a damned good reason for fighting this war.

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10:30 PM MST on Thu., Sep. 20, 2007 re: "Bush slams Dems for not condemning MoveOn.org"

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What bothers me is that it seems like moveon.org's ad came out BEFORE Gen. Petraeus spoke. Did MO really accuse him of betrayal and cooking the books before he'd said anything to deserve it? I hope not, but making fun of his name is so childish, the rest seems possible, too. Please, if you care about peace, don't start throwing wild rhetorical punches.

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