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Newsom: Less is more with bus stops

Jun 28, 2007 4:47 PM (523 days ago) by Bonnie Eslinger, The Examiner
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The results of a preliminary study recommend that The City should remove some bus stops.
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The results of a preliminary study recommend that The City should remove some bus stops.
SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - Some bus stops will need to be eliminated in order to make Muni more efficient, Mayor Gavin Newsom said.

“Less bus stops, less double parking and we’ll make a big impact,” Newsom told The Examiner on Wednesday. “There are too many bus stops.”

The City won’t start removing bus stops until next year, after the results of an 18-month, $2 million comprehensive study of how to improve Muni are released, said Newsom.

A preliminary report from that study revealed that San Francisco’s public transit system is the slowest compared with other metropolitan systems. Muni vehicles, on average, move at the rate of 8 miles per hour, compared with New York City at 14 miles per hour and Boston’s top speed of 18 miles per hour.

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Muni’s sluggish pace is due to car traffic, double-parked cars, the number of stop signs, wheelchair use and the high number of transit stops, according to the study.

The transit agency has attempted to remove bus stops in the past, but has “received a lot of pushback,” Muni spokeswoman Maggie Lynch said.

In 2004, a plan to speed up the 38-Geary route was abandoned after hundreds of Tenderloin residents protested the elimination of neighborhood stops.

“It’s something we pride ourselves on, that you’re a block away or two blocks away from any bus stop in The City. But no city of our size has this many bus stops,” said Newsom. “We can’t run efficiently like that."

In a 2005 report, the San Francisco Planning and Urban Research Association said improving stop spacing was the “cheapest, fastest and easiest way” to improve transit speed and ridership.

“Studies show most people will walk a bit farther if their transit trip is faster — the Geary Limited proves the point every day,” the report noted. Newsom said Muni’s comprehensive study, called the “San Francisco Trasnit Effectiveness Project,” will detail which stops are most utilized and which are not.

“It’s going to be strategic and based on facts and evidence,” Newsom said, acknowledging that some people would still be put out by the removal of stops.

This week, the mayor received an outpouring of criticism for authorizing the removal of hundreds of trash cans throughout The City — in an effort to stop residents and businesses from using them for dumping purposes. When asked whether he was risking additional ire, Newsom laughed.

“You know, it’s something only a second-term mayor could get away with,” he said. “[Bus stops are] sacrosanct. You think, ‘Why would people complain about garbage cans?’ Now imagine a bus stop. You’d probably get recalled.”

beslinger@examiner.com


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5:16 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
MUNI spent 2 mil to decide that more people loading at fewer stops is faster than fewer people loading at more stops? This is like MUNI spending 200,000 on the J-Church line to figure out why the shortest, least-obstacled transit line could do no better than a 65% on time record.

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4:04 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
My name is Lorie and I live in Maryland. I think the bus stops should be removed and I understand completely what your saying. I live in a small community on the water. There is only one way in and one way out. We have buses passing through every 15 to 20 minutes two at a time. they exceed the speed limit to double plus wich is 30mph here. they also park infront of your homes , blocking drive wasys, bringing prostitutes in our neighborhood, and much much more. My opinion is the buses should only be driving on main roadways not residential streets. Its a danger to our property, our citizens, and most of all our children. Neighbors cars have been totaled, animals killed, children hit. I can name a hundred reasons why bus stops should be removed. I am currently trying to find out how to start a petition here in Maryland to get rid of the stops along our street. Lorie, Baltimore, Md.

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9:41 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 4, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Richmond District Muni Rider said:
I think this is a good idea. Instead of having stops every other block, making some of them every third block. Also, coordinate more stop signs with Muni stops, eliminating some stop signs between Muni stops where safe. Geary Boulevard needs 3 lanes each way between Park Presidio and 25th Ave, at least during the afternoons. The cheapest, quickest and simplest way to do this should be pushed; The Geary Merchants need to come up with an idea to make this happen if they don't like Jake McGoldricks. Double-Parked cars ( Geary Merchant customers) on Geary now reduce traffic to one lane each way, create bottlenecks, and are the primary cause of slow traffic on Geary.

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7:06 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 2, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Gretchen said:
I would think that Muni could begin implementing this idea immediately on some lines. I can't believe that we really need to spend $2,000,000 and 18 months to begin reaping the benefits of such an obvious time and cost saving effort. Besides, as we recently learned with the T-Third line, sometimes you have to wait until after the change is made to realize the full impact and then tweak it as you go forward. Let's start eliminating the excess stops now and save the $2mm. Improving lines and changing stops shouldn't be a one time change anyway - they should constantly change as their surrounding neighborhoods change. It's like ongoing maintenance and should always be a work in progress.

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11:48 PM MST on Sat., Jun. 30, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
I'm in favor of eliminating some stops, but, please, all you folks with the "walking is good for you" point of view, please remember that some of us, though not disabled, aren't so freely mobile. We've got old bones or bad knees or small children or the week's groceries or some other reason for being very grateful that the bus stops every two blocks. And please remember that some of us do already have a good walk to get to and from our bus stops: a few more blocks on top of the current half-mile may be no sweat to some, but it's not so easy for others.

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2:41 PM MST on Sat., Jun. 30, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
People will whine, but walking is good for you. I am not a native San Franciscan, I'm originally from San Diego, where public transit is all but non-existent. One thing I admired about SF from when I first moved here just over a year ago was that you can get anywhere from anywhere without needing your car. I quickly found out that comes with the sacrifice of getting there in a timely manner. I have always been puzzled by the number of stops on some of the lines. Out on 48th where the 71 starts, it picks up, rounds a corner, goes one block, stops, rounds another corner, travels about 300 feet, and then there is another stop! And it stops on almost every block on it's journey downtown. I think that stops every one or two blocks is fine on Community Service lines like the 17, the 66 and even the 18 are fine, but the 71 is designated a "Cross Town" route, and if it stops every block it is never going to cross town very quickly.

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2:42 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 29, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
good grief people! have you ever 2 blocks before? or, aghast, how about 5 or 20... i love to walk + experience the city, first hand. you should try it + it's good for ya also. i walk every day (at least 1 hr, cummulative) + have my boyish figure to prove it.

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1:13 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 29, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
It's a great idea. Even the light-rail trains stops at every block sometimes (like the N line in the Sunset) In some part of the city I've seen 2 stops on the same block! They should definetely respace the stops and also consider removing all-way stops on street where the light rail runs (like church, Judah etc.). Not only it's a great idea, it's cheap too!

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12:41 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 29, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

sunset resident said:
i'm glad newsom is proposing this idea! this will improve efficiency at low cost! the average travel time from sunset to anywhere in the city currently averages out to be about 35-45 minutes! hey, that's how long it takes to drive up to san rafael in marin county!! when you look at the numbers, something simply doesn't make sense! so we end up with many people reluctantly opting to get around in their own cars, putting more cars on the streets... i often joke that it takes as much time traveling within the city itself (and it's a 7-by-7 miles city!) as it does traveling 30 miles away in any direction!

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9:42 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Native San Franciscan said:
Read the SPUR report. Other cities that have done what Newsom proposed have seen a dramatic increase in ridership. Why? Because for the price of walking an extra block or two to a stop you cut your travel time to your destination by 30 to 50 percent. Doesn't that make sense?

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8:02 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

jeff nalle said:
yowza! the manatee speaks!

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6:47 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
Here we go again ! Muni can't meet it's commitments so the public will have to suffer. Raise the fares ! Cut out stops ! If the 2 million spent on the study had been spent improving Muni then maybe we wouldn't have to walk any farther to get a bus. Here's a new slogan for Muni " We're not going anywhere and neither are you !" AS long as Muni has a lock on the transportation system in this city they don't have to worry about a thing. I remember some years back when a 71 bus kept breaking down and we were all told to get off and on the bus again and again. As the irate riders reboarded the bus for a third time the driver, with a big grin on his face, said " You don't like it ? Call Willie ! " Caliing Mayor Newsom. Fix Muni ! Don't put us in a fix !

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6:25 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Jones said:
I've been on Muni lines where the bus stops weren't even marked - people just stood on every corner and the bus stopped at every corner. It took an eternity to get where I wanted.

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5:41 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Montira said:
They should definitely retain those that are near (and, in some cases, right in front of): 1) hospitals and other medical clinics; 2) schools and agencies that serve children; 3) senior centers and housing complexes; and 4) agencies that serve the physically and/or mentally challenged.

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4:53 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
This is just another idiotic idea from Newsom. Just like taking away the trash cans from the neighborhoods. Is there still any doubt that this guy is coked up?

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2:31 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

e said:
Every time a bus stops, we have to wait for it to break, potentially kneel down, open its doors, wait for a break in traffic, and accellerate again. If we can halve this delay at the cost of walking twice as far (2 blocks instead of 1) to a stop, that's a great improvement.

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2:21 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
YES! Some bus stops are only 2 blocks apart. 2 Blocks!?! Walk the difference you lazy asses!

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2:17 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
yes because walk its goog for the health

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1:44 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
The surplus bus stops should revert back to parking - I bet the rabid anti-car crowd will pass a stone over that idea!!!!!

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1:40 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
Hopefully, the restructuring of bus stops and garbage cans and the related are done in an integrated project [not a make-work jobs program] so we have garbage cans near the surviving bus stops without having to uninstall and reinstall at an unnecessary waste of taxpayers money.

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12:23 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Here we go again said:
I'm sure the local progressives are going to start lambasting the idea of less stops as somehow being insensitive to the poor and homeless people who somehow can't walk the extra block or two to get to the next stop. I'm hearing it already in the public forum, Noooooooooooooo, the poor people will have to walk just a bit more, what are we going to do for them? Tell em to get a life and walk it. And the homeless shouldn't be riding muni to begin with. I honestly think there should be a smell test before someone is allowed on.

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12:10 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Jerry Jarvis said:
It will create a higher demand for more DPW. Seems shady.

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11:40 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Bob said:
First of all maybe if bus drivers would show up to work instead of being allowed to have 3 days in their union contract to 'just now show up and not even call in' would be a good start. Second, it just seems that no one is being held accountable for this Muni mess. Lets look at the top of management, since they aren't doing their jobs, replace them. If i'm not doing my job, i would be out the door! Third, Unions are also at fault. Every time someone comes up with a plan, the Union starts screaming and the only time when the Union listens is when voters take it into their hands.

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10:56 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

jimsr said:
$2 million to tell us buses are slow because of traffic and the fact they have to stop!!! No wonder the pol heads need 6 billion dollars a year to operate a city of less than 60 square miles.

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10:44 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
The removal of bus stops is definitely a must-do at improving MUNI service. However, it takes the full and unconditional support of the Mayor's Office, Board of Supervisors, and MTA Board to accomplish this goal. If you've ever gone to a public hearing where the removal or installation of a bus stop is proposed (like the #38 bus stop changes through the Tenderloin), you'll see an endless barrage of NIMBY (Not In My BackYard) arguments from affected property owners and people (particularly the elderly and disabled) that are inconvenienced by the additional walking distance. I think my "favorite" argument during the #38 discussions was how the removal of bus stops in Tenderloin hurts that neighborhood for the sole benefit of residents in the Richmond. Classic example of NIMBY.

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10:22 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader said:
Finally, a plan from Newsom that sounds sane and reasonable. Walking two or three blocks to a stop is not only good for muni, but also your health.

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10:02 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Montira said:
The last time I was on a bus, it felt like that bus was stopping every minute, and I wished there weren't so many stops. Yet, if the City is going to remove some stops, they should do it strategically--maybe take out every other one.

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9:57 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Daniael Sutland said:
Absolutely this will work and is a FANTASTIC idea. This is the only metropolitan city I have ever been to where it is extremely common to have a bus stop for a route at EVERY BLOCK. God forbid we have to walk a block or two to the closest stop. Take out stops, LOTS of them!

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8:07 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Examiner Reader getting ticked off said:
Agian, it seems like the Examiner is planting stories on how the Mayor is going to run San Francisco better. The city spents $2 Million dollars and now the with no resullts yet this issue being used as a campaign issue...give me a break.

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7:31 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 28, 2007 re: "Newsom: Less is more with bus stops"

Dan Johnson-Weinberger said:
Good for Newsom -- cutting out bus stops improves network mobility for everyone. It's easy to focus on the perceived downside of losing a local bus stop, but 8 mph is unacceptable and everyone benefits from buses that are faster than marathon runners.

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