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Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, center, addresses the first session of the Virginia Tech Review Panel in Richmond, Va., Thursday, May 10. Virginia Tech president Charles Steger is seated left as the eight-member panel studying the shooting rampage held its first public meeting. On Tuesday, Kaine said he is hopeful the General Assembly will overcome its affection for firearms and adopt changes to the commonwealth’s gun and ammunition laws.
Manassas (Map, News) - Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said Tuesday he is hopeful the General Assembly will overcome its affection for firearms and adopt changes to the commonwealth’s gun and ammunition laws in response to the April 16 murders at Virginia Tech.
Kaine would not discuss specific changes he would like to see or legislation he thinks would be palatable to the General Assembly. Though Northern Virginia legislators tend to support stricter gun-control bills, lawmakers from more rural and conservative regions routinely defeat such legislation.
A bill to ban guns in libraries, for example, was quickly killed in a House of Delegates committee this year.
Kaine already has issued an executive order requiring that law enforcement receive additional mental health information about individuals applying for a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Beyond that, he said Tuesday, he will wait for recommendations from a panel investigating the massacre in which a gunman killed 32 students and faculty members before committing suicide.
“The recommendations should be ready in August, and that will give legislators plenty of time to look at the suggestions and talk to members of the commission,” the governor told reporters. “We don’t go back into legislative session until January, so there’s a lot of time to work on this. I think we can get something done.”
In general, Kaine said, he is troubled that Virginia law allows any individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to monitor the cache. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, began his rampage with 377 rounds of ammunition, according to police. He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.”
State law allows institutions of higher learning to decide whether to allow firearms on campus and inside buildings. A pro-gun student group has recently formed at George Mason University to advocate for a change in school policy and state law.
“We need the legislature to step in and tell the institutions of higher learning they have to allow law-abiding, licensed citizens to carry their weapons,” said Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
The governor was in Manassas to attend a ceremony at the site of the new state crime laboratory.
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Examiner Reader said:
Im reading this article via the internet.Some how this news did not make to my end of the state.Gov Kaines main concerns are guns and cigarettes.He panders to the left and could care less about the housing delima and foreclosures.He only shows up in my corner of the Commonwelth when he wants to pretend he playing the harmonica.Do you flat landers ever get this news( i use flat landers with affection) its just that sometimes i think the press makes the gov,out to be someone he's not or never will be.Take a look at V.D.O.T He and the Commisioner will lead you to believe that all is o.k.but in my area they've closed area headquarters and contracting all the road work to others,even companies outside the state.By april 2009 the entire state will be under contract.Last but not least gov Kaine has no concerns with the folks at va tech.This is his very own hypocritical way of fooling the folks in the state and U.S- he'll never fill george allens cowboy boots
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Elmer said:
I told yiu about closet liberals
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Examiner Reader said:
Ok... what they are ignoring here is the main problem. Kaine is completely ignorant and obnoxious first off for using this tragedy for his own political gain. second...the man who committed the crime was completely ignored and was not attended to mentally the way he should have. If many people are aware of such recklace and threatening behavior...i don't care if it's not your business...the right thing to do is report it for everyone's safety. As for the stupid law of how much amo a gun can have...how the heck would that solve anything? If you can't have one gun with 20 bullets then they'll bring 2 guns with 10 bullets. This is competely obsurd. Simple logic and action is needed and instead our politicians are spending time bashing other canidates and making up stupid new rules so they can just continue. Try keeping your word and doing what is best for society...not yourself KAINE!
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reader said:
Oh? Letting people have their right to effective weapons on campus would be disastrous? Disastrous like in Utah where people can carry? That's right Utah has had zero that's 0, school shootings.Kaine and his police chief sources are fools. And they have no right to tell me where I may or may not carry a gun if I am a peaceable person.
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Phillep Harding said:
Bandits only need about 10 loads a year because most don't need to shoot. The ones that like killing don't need many more, and can easily buy cartridges from the drug dealers smuggling tons of cocaine into the country. Ask the Kennedys how easy and profitable smuggling is. Had Cho practiced dry firing or shooting with a plastic gun at an arcade, he would have needed 32 and 50 loads to do his killing. Ah, but having a gun on campus was against the rules. I suppose Cho needed that many rounds because he was worried the University was going to expell him for breaking the rules.
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3fgburner said:
Tim Kaine has just proven himself to be an utter moron, where guns are concerned. He's freaking out over the fact that Cho had 400 or so rounds of ammo. For someone who's any kind of a shooter, that's two, three at the MOST, evenings at the range. One of Cho's guns was a .22. The cheapest way to buy the ammo is in 500- or 600-round boxes. During a range trip, I'll typically shoot around 40-50 rounds of .22 to warm up, 50, 100, or 150 of other calibers, and then another 50 or so of .22 to unwind. Among shooters I know, I'm fairly typical. I'm also a (returning) college student. By the time I retire from my current career as an IT professional, I plan to have the credentials to teach high school and community-college history. I've had a concealed-carry permit since 1995. I find it ludicrous that I can carry most places, but am not allowed to defend myself on campus. I've thought that DC should have "Disarmament without Protection" as a slogan. Maybe VA colleges should, too.
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Examiner Reader said:
Kaine ran on a platform of 'no new gun control laws.' He's just one more liberal liar. Just one more garden variety POS Democrat weasel. Until we start holding politicians to their promises, we'll get more of the same. It's recall time.
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Examiner Reader said:
It seems many people wants to demonize the idea of armed citizens. As if this situation would lead to a '80's movie style shootout where every extra in the scene dies. That's not how it would happen. What would happen is the murderer (let's use the correct term here) would burst into a classroom and try to order everyone around, or just open fire. A concealed carry holder would have hit the ground with everyone else, then returned fire when they had a chance. The killer would either be hit, and the situation would most likely be over, or he would flee. Concealed carry holders usually like to spend a lot of time at the range, and are usually excellent marksmen. Most concealed carry holders also know to not chase after the guy with a gun drawn, good way to get shot by the police. They also know to immediatly comply with the police until they figure everything out. On top of that, the idea that 2-3 people in a room are probably armed would serve agood deterrant.
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Examiner Reader said:
"The gunman who killed 30 people at a Virginia Tech building was “well-prepared” to continue his shooting spree with more than 200 additional rounds of ammunition, a state panel was told Monday." Hmm, why did he stop shooting others? Could it because he heard people who were armed closing in on him? If only there were some way those armed people could have closed in sooner? Perhaps perhaps if only the citizenry were armed. . .
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Kevin P. said:
...He also said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus “would be a disaster.”... Because, you know, only 32 disarmed students and faculty were murdered. If they had been armed, the death toll might have been much higher. Oh wait...
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Examiner Reader said:
(April 1775): The Minutemen were called out to the Lexington (MA) Commons because the Redcoat Army was enroute to take the Militia's ammunition. A shooting match, and a revolution, occured and Viriginia joined in that revolution under the urging of Patrick Henry, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others. Wonder what they would say to current events and the (Loyalist?) leadership in Richmond siding with King George III's policies?
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Virginia Voter with Influence. said:
Proof of not being in-touch with his constituencies, Kaine must not enjoy being Governor. Fewer than 1K rounds of ammunition is considered insignificant for those who are committed to serious, and responsible training with firearms. I routinely "stockpile" about 5K rounds...and that isn't enough. He needs to stop and engage his brain before his mouth. The voters will demand accountability.
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Duane Owen said:
Time for a recall, we have the people in VA to try and start this process, question ... can he be recalled, I don't know but I would push it if he could, he's a lier.
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mitchshrader said:
the governor is mistaken in his attempted tyranny. he builds his own defeat. i am now committed to seeing him removed from office. i will fight his proposed laws, as they are misfocused completely. He IS WRONG. Period. He is absolutely, irrevocably, abusing his office and acting against the rights, needs, desires, and expressed will of the populace. He should resign. He is incompetent to lead any group of American Citizens, from lack of appreciation of the Constitution he is paid to defend. I do not have language sufficient to describe my emotion to see one charged with nurturing our countries values scorning them and shaming himself as our representative. Foul treason, no less. Without caveat, without excuse, tar and feather worthy. His proud and brave traditions and history mean nothing to him, and i am ashamed to have a country in common with such a miserable excuse for a public servant. I apologize for him, to the degree I am responsible. I'm sorry.
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Examiner Reader said:
"college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing students and faculty to carry weapons on campus would be a disaster". How many college presidents and police chiefs were executed by some nut-job because they were unarmed at Virginia Tech?
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Examiner Reader said:
If Gov. Kaine would take a minute to reflect instead of panic over the tragedy of V.T. , he would realize that the only reason law-abiding citizens are "stock-piling" ammo is because every gun-grabber is using his state as a warped example to pass more anti-gun laws, not to see that statistics show armed citizens are an asset to all. He should be setting an example to show "the people" it's their right to protect themselves and give them the means to do it so this won't happen again!
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Elmer said:
I told you about the under cover liberals
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Examiner Reader said:
I'd like to see Gov Kaine attempt to stand up to some crazy guy like Cho with the hot air coming out of his mouth. I think if he was in that situation he'd see the value to a law abiding citizen with a weapon.
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Not Elmer said:
This whole issue of ammunition storage has already been addressed long ago by the state fire code. At best, Kaine is showing his ignorance of the existing law of his own state. At worst he is revealing his true agenda to disarm the law-abiding citizens of Virginia. What a pathetic plan. Punish everybody for the criminal acts of a few - or just one. Governor Kaine is not to be trusted.
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Jack in Arlington said:
"In general, Kaine said, he is troubled that Virginia law allows any individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to monitor the cache." As an avid competitive shooter, I fire between 400 and 800 rounds a week at local ranges and matches. I buy 9mm by the case. What would Mr. Kaine have me do? Statements like this one are the reason I joined VCDL.
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Virginia Voter said:
Kaine is breaking a promise to Virginians: "... Kaine is nothing like [Mark] Warner , who was elected four years ago on a conservative agenda that embraced the death penalty and gun rights. Kilgore maintains Kaine “is too liberal for Virginia” and does not share traditional values. He notes that Kaine has said he is morally opposed to capital punishment and once, as mayor of Richmond, arranged transportation for protesters attending an anti-gun march in Washington. Kaine has said he would carry out executions despite his personal concerns and would not seek new gun restrictions." 10/9/05, Virginia Pilot
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Virginia Voter said:
Kaine is breaking a promise to Virginians, myself included. Kilgore, on the other hand, has been arguing that Kaine is nothing like [Mark] Warner , who was elected four years ago on a conservative agenda that embraced the death penalty and gun rights. Kilgore maintains Kaine “is too liberal for Virginia” and does not share traditional values. He notes that Kaine has said he is morally opposed to capital punishment and once, as mayor of Richmond, arranged transportation for protesters attending an anti-gun march in Washington. Kaine has said he would carry out executions despite his personal concerns and would not seek new gun restrictions. 10/9/05, Virginia Pilot
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bp said:
seems the disaster was that students and faculty did not have guns...These politicos appear to be incapable of learning much of anything
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Peter Courtenay Stephens said:
One of the most pertinent realities for the concealed carry permit holder is that htese individuals are the most law abiding of the nations citizens. They are the creme de la creme and should be recognised as such. Their criminality is lower than law enforcement and in fact should have a national CCW Holiday and a serious tax beifit for taking responsibility for their personal safety and the safety of others. Denying the CCW permit holder free access to any location where law enforcement has access is blind stupidity. This country needs to get over their pathalogical paranoia about those of us who take our citizenship responsibility at the highest level and grant full freedom of movement while armed within all areas of society. " A disarmed people is a conquered people". "An unarmed people is an enslaved people".
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Don Westergren said:
I hate to see a man elected to a higher office have no respect for the human race and its right to life and freedom. If only one teacher, office worker or hand picked student had had a firearm on campus, this may have been stopped with no one killed or many less killed or hurt. May the Lord help voters in your State to throw people out of office that do more harm then good for the common good of all people.
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Paul from Burke said:
Kaine is using this tradegdy to push his gun control - shame on him! Will his panel look into how many students and faculty members in the buildings had concealed handgun permits but were disarmed by school policy? Based on Kaine's already made up mind it seems pretty clear this panel is about political posturing and gun control - not improving student safety!
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Bee said:
How on earth is 377 rounds considered a "stockpile?!" If someone has one hunting rifle, one practice rifle, one handgun, and one shotgun, that's barely a box of ammo for each. 377 rounds is hardly even a single afternoon at the range for some people..
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Examiner Reader said:
377 rounds of ammunition is a tiny amount. Kaine, like all gun grabbers, will only punish the law abiding, respoinsible citizens, who are the vast majority of gun owners.
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Examiner Reader said:
377 rounds? Up here in Colorado, we call that either "90 minutes at the range" or "a good start". Kaine needs to stop pushing moral panic legislation that does nothing to fight crime. The University of Utah doesn't restrict students carrying loaded pistols around, and they have had ZERO problems. Kaine needs to get on board with liberal and progressive laws that respect citizens' right to be armed. Kaine's viewpoint is regressive and archaic, and has no place in a tolerant and liberal society.
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va gunowner said:
amazing. not a single comment in support of this article. wow. and this silly stockpile thing, haha, I'm "stockpiling" 1,000 rounds or so to take to Tulsa for a shooting course I'm taking. They better come arrest me for being a danger to my neighbors :) I'm sure this "review board" will make some silly recommendations, when the reality is right in front of everyone. The kid was unstable, and the "courts" not the gun laws, failed to protect the students. But what's worse is, guns were not relevant to the discussion at VT. This kid was unstable, had the courts caused him to be denied the guns, I'm reasonably sure someone of his mental state would have simply looked up bomb making on the internet. And I suspect it could have been even worse had he gone that route. It really bothers me that I haven't seen a single article discuss that a person that unhinged wouldn't have been stopped just be taking away "guns" as an option. And thanks to Cho, I'm now getting a CCW. You just nev
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Swedshooter said:
"stockpile of ammunition" What is a stockpile? 10 rounds, 100, 1000, 10000. This is the typical statement by someone who knows nothing about firearms or shooting sports.(reporters included) Question who is on the VT shooting review board? Are there any ccw holders, besides police chiefs?
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Poshboy said:
I knew Kaine would turn out to be another out-of-touch Democrat. A single unit of sale of ordinary .22 cal ammunition is usually 500 rounds. The governor's proposal to limit stockpiling of ammunition is going to turn him into a national laughingstock. And he can't say, I didn't mean ordinary hunting ammunition--which is what .22 cal is mostly used for, besides target practice. He is so clueless on this most vital of Virginia issues... Realistically, the VA Gen'l Assembly only will be sending him a bill next session allowing concealed carry on college campuses. And he will veto it, setting him up for one nasty legislative override--and a permanent stain on his political legacy. And most importantly, he'll destroy any chance of the Democrats retaining the governor's chair in 2009.
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gene wallace said:
Mr Kaine...who I never voted for..or ever will is a typical left wing jerk...he and Hillary are 2 peas in a pod...they are so left wing..they want to take our guns and ammo...as are most Democrates...they aint gonna get mine....
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Mike Stollenwerk said:
What's this about "disasters"?? Is student carry at Utah universities a disaster? Utah law explicitly forbids colleges from restricting student permit holder carry. Is student carry at Colo. State Univ. a disaster? CSU administrators **voluntarily** decided to exempt student permit holders from the CSU gun ban!
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Examiner Reader said:
A madman murdered. Exactly how does that justify draconian controls and punishments aimed at the other 99% of us who haven't committed (and have no intention of commiting) any crimes? If law-abiding citizens who own firearms (especially those who have gone through the process for a CCW permit) haven't caused any trouble elsewhere, why do these "college presidents and police chiefs" think allowing those same rights on campus will be "a disaster"? Good people will not do evil. Stop planning to punish the Good people for what the Evil people do.
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Mike Stollenwerk said:
The Examiner needs to do its homework - the VA AG already said that colleges cannot ban gun carry generally by the public on campus, including inside buildings, as a general rule.
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Examiner Reader said:
They need to understand the US Constitution to see the reason why it was ratified. King George III of England ordered a form of registration and confication in order to protect his tyrany over the colonist who were fed up with his "You are only in America for My Pleasure and My Crown! He knew as well as our Founding Fathers knew that the only way to control the masses was to disarm them a little at a time. The only way our government can totally control us is to disarm us little by little. Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat the past. The Second Amendment was included to see to it that our newly formed government could never become a King George III. It is time for those who truly love our FREEDOMS to stand up and tell those that seek to enslave us," GO TO HELL". Then be prepared to defend our GOD GIVEN FREEDOMS!!!!
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Scott said:
This is a very disturbing response that reminds one of the old "Arsenal" proposal where anyone with more than a dozen firearms or some amount of ammunition would be considered to have an "arsenal" and be subject to compliance and storage inspections, accounting of all firearms and ammunition, and required to have at least a few million dollars of liability insurance. I wonder if some version of the "arsenal law" is what Kaine has in mind.
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Examiner Reader said:
The problem with legislators is they know little if anything about the laws they write. Gun laws are a classic example, they should talk to gun owners to learn about the items they want to regulate to understand how usless these laws will be.
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Mike Glaser said:
Does Governor Kaine advocate having the police conduct random searches of people's homes in the name of looking for excess ammunition? "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." How about people who choose to reload ammunition? If the State would stop finding ways in which to violate the Second Amendment in the name of "safety" and allow law-abiding citizens to exercise their right and responsibility to self-defense, psychotics like the VA Tech murderer would be taken out before they could squeeze off two rounds!! To the hysterical gun-banners, anything over Barney Fife's one bullet is a stockpile. One can readily observe by Governor Kaine's mode of thinking that when a politician holds the Second Amendment in contempt, the Fourth Amendment is imperiled as well. Let's just scrap the entire Constitution while we're at it - it only gets in the way of the tyrants who want to "rescue" us from liberty.
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P Martin said:
A "Stockpile" is 377 rounds?!?! The overstuffed politicians will never recognize a difference between criminals and law abiding citizens with guns. The last time I went to make a bank deposit I was carrying a 9mm concealed(with VA permit) and a 9mm openly. By the logic the Brady Campaign, I *SHOULD* have robbed the bank at gun-point instead of waiting in line with the deposit bag. Fear mongering is a national past-time, but was grown in popularity with recent administrations!
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Examiner Reader said:
Kaine is showing his true anti-gun stripes. 377 rounds of ammo is a stockpile? A brick of 22 ammo at walmart costs less then $20 and has 500 rounds. Is Kaine proposing that gunowners need to allow police in to their homes to inspect their ammo and report all purchases of ammo to the p;olice? What a invasion of privacy and ewaste of police resources. Sounds like a typical anti-gun liberal elitiist. The only law that would have really helped is if the General Assembly had passed legislation to allow studentst to have the right to carry on campus.
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Clint said:
Dr. Ron - Notice that in any of the anti-gun propoganda it is always the police "chiefs," not the police officers down in the trenches, that support stronger controls. The chiefs are politically handcuffed by the mayors, supervisors, or college presidents who sign their paychecks. They HAVE to tow the party line. You would be hard pressed to find an article where a regular policeman on patrol called for law abiding citizens to be disarmed.
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Dr. Ron said:
The Governor and his "college presidents and police chiefs" are obviously idiots who refuse to recognize the reality that the presence of only a few armed citizens is the greatest deterrent possible to the events such as occurred at Virginia Tech.
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Jim said:
The article suggests that Kaine thinks 377 rounds of ammunition is a stockpile. A brick of .22LR is 500 rounds, and is easily shot in an afternoon. I hope Kaine doesn't propose some scheme for "authorities to monitor the cache" of ammuntion at that level. After all, is $10.00 worth of .22LR a 'cache?'
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Karl Chue said:
Doug, They live on Planet Ultra-left Wing where where guns are always bad, criminals are just "misunderstood", and you can always rely on the police to save people (except when they can't). These multiple shootings always take place in "gun-free" zones; there is a reason these killers don't choose military bases or police stations. In school shootings in Pearl, MS and the Appalachian Law School, it was lawfully armed civilians who stopped the killers well before police could be on scene. If university administrators naively prevent students from defending themselves, then victims' families should sue the schools for failing to protect their children.
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Doug said:
I'm sorry, did this story actually say that presidents of Virginia universities said allowing trained, law-abiding students who chose to accept the responsibility of carrying a concealed weapon "would be a disaster." Would it be worse than say... providing a complete victim disarmament zone where 32 defenseless students are murdered in cold blood? What planet are these people living on?
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