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No more ‘paper or plastic?’

Mar 28, 2007 3:00 AM (564 days ago) by Joshua Sabatini, The Examiner
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Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi hands out canvas bags at City Hall after a press conference on Tuesday in support of banning plastic bags.
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Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi hands out canvas bags at City Hall after a press conference on Tuesday in support of banning plastic bags.

SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - San Francisco continued to ride the “green wave” Tuesday by becoming the first city in the nation to ban plastic checkout bags from large grocery and pharmacy chains.

Opposed by grocers, legislation banning the plastic bags was widely supported by the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday, blaming the petroleum-based bags for littering city streets, harming wildlife, gumming up recycling machines and eating up fossil fuels.

The City’s estimated 54 large grocery chains will have to switch to recyclable paper, compostable plastic bags or durable reusable bags within about six months and large pharmacy chains, such as Walgreens and Rite-Aid, within a year.

Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi drafted the legislation after he and other city officials accused the large grocery store chains of failing to live up to an agreement to reduce the use of the bags by 10 million last year. The agreement was struck with the stipulation that The City would not pursue a 17-cent tax per plastic bag.

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The California Grocers Association maintain the agreement was successful in cutting the usage of plastic bags by 7.6 million in 2006, but city officials claim that number is unreliable.

The ban would help move The City closer to its goal of diverting 75 percent of all waste produced from its landfills by 2010, said Jared Blumenfeld, head of the Environment Department.

“After 10 years of plastic bag recycling in The City, we have a 1 percent recycling rate. So it’s a 99 percent failure of the bags,” Blumenfeld said.

It is estimated that San Francisco’s 54 large grocery stores account for 100 million to 150 million plastic checkout bags a year, according to city officials, and that 430,000 gallons of oil is used in the production of 100 million plastic bags.

“We still don’t think that it’s the most effective way of dealing with the environmental issue,” California Grocers Association spokesman Dave Heylen said.

Instead, the grocers association advocates continuing efforts to recycle and reuse plastic bags. Heylen also said the plastic bags are “the most economical from a retail standpoint,” costing a “couple of pennies” each while the compostable plastic bags would cost anywhere between 6 and 10 cents each.

Supervisor Ed Jew, the only naysayer in the 10-1 vote, agreed the ban would hamper recycling efforts.

“We still have about 95,000 small businesses in San Francisco that will continue to use plastic bags, as well as the city and county of San Francisco,” Jew said.

The Board of Supervisors is expected to give final approval to the legislation at its next meeting on April 10.

Shoppers critical of prohibition

On a windy day when loose plastic, paper and garments were noticeable, many shoppers said they understood the desired environmental effect in the ban but that the plastic bags provided a convenience otherwise unfulfilled by the cumbersome and geometric paper bags.

“When you’re running around with plastic bags, you can put a ton on your hand. You can’t do that with paper,” said Mark Quessey, a design student popping out of the Walgreens at Broadway and Polk streets.

“It’s politicians trying to make themselves sound important; it’s just a gimmick,” Quessey said.

The ban only affects The City’s largest chain supermarkets — 54 in all — and pharmacy chains such as Walgreens, leaving plastic bags with smaller businesses, such as corner grocers.

Others lamented the loss of plastic bags for around-the-house duties such as garbage or, ahem, dog duty.

Matt Campbell, who drives to the Safeway in the Marina from the Presidio, said he used the bags around his house for just such reasons.

When asked about compostable bags, Campbell along with shoppers, questioned what they were made of and how similar they were to plastic.

H.O. Salimi said that while his wife would miss the plastic bags for household uses, it was a good idea to cut down on the amount of plastic that is out there.

Shopping at the Whole Foods at Franklin and California streets three times a week, he said he noticed the omnipresence of plastic bags when they would be tucked into each other for support.

Devian McEvoy, walking up the hill from the Marina Safeway with two plastic bags in hand, called the ban “pointless” because paper pollutes, too, and the board was “just asking for perfection.”— David Smith

jsabatini@examiner.com

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8:05 AM MST on Tue., Sep. 23, 2008 re: "Baltimore City's plastic bag ban dead, for now"

Nydia said:
I cannot believe with all the problems this city has that our reps are wasting so much time on plastic bags. I use plastic bags because I have pets. I use them in my house for trash. There are many uses for plastic bags and they save me money. If I didn't use the grocery plastic bags I would have to buy them for the purposes I mention above. Our reps should be working on solutions for the crime in this city, wasteful spending, the high cost of food, gas and other issues that affect us, their constituents, more than plastic bags. Plastic bags don't litter people do and we have laws against littering, why aren't they enforced? Shame on you for wasting my tax dollars on this nonsense. Apparently, you folks don’t seem to have a clue about what your constituents need. Open your eyes and take a good look at this city beyond the inner harbor. Deal with the real issues that affect your constituents or perhaps you're not up to the challenges. Stop micro-managing our lives.

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5:35 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 24, 2008 re: "Annapolis’ proposed plastic bag ban sparks controversy"

Examiner Reader said:
""" Look at the mounting litter and destruction humans' "freedom of choice" has brought to the environment""" -So am I right in assuming that you would glady give up your freedom of choice, and allow the government to make all of your decisions in order to protect the environment? When will we, as a nation, stop allowing the government to over-regulate every miniscule aspect of our lives? Plastic bags are bad for the environment? Who cares? What about important issues like health care, education, our broken tax code?

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11:53 AM MST on Tue., Jul. 22, 2008 re: "Baltimore City's plastic bag ban dead, for now"

Examiner Reader said:
What are we dog owners going to do if there is a ban on plastic bags? After all, when one walks his or her little dog one needs to carry a scooper and a plastic bag since the law demands it. Any suggestions? Oh, forget about paper bags since paper bags leak.

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9:19 AM MST on Tue., Jul. 22, 2008 re: "Baltimore City's plastic bag ban dead, for now"

African American Woman said:
Using paper or plastic both have a negative affect on the environment. What you should be promoting is recycling. One of the ways we can work on keeping the city clean is to bring back the clean block contest they used to have back in the late 60’s and early 70’s but keep it going all year long. The city could also put recycling bins on the corners and classrooms instead of trash cans that you dump anything into.

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8:11 AM MST on Tue., Jul. 22, 2008 re: "Baltimore City's plastic bag ban dead, for now"

JF said:
"I think the concept is a good concept, but I think the timing happens to be off,” said District 2 Councilman Nicholas D’Adamo Jr. “And keep in mind, bags don’t litter. People do.” What a crock of...the timing is off??? WTH does that mean? Bags don't litter, people do??? Who cares? The problem is plastic! Plastic does not disintegrate into nothing - paper does. This is very disappointing - especially given that 11 of 14 council people voted it down. These people obviously don't represent their non-business voters.

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5:45 PM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Examiner Reader said:
You liberals make me laugh , and now we are going to use the trees again!Yes it is a big deal!

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5:42 PM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Examiner Reader said:
I'm gonna buy blue bags from a private manufacturer on the net and still use them,HA HA!

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10:08 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Examiner Reader said:
Whatever happened to global warming and saving trees? Do the tree huggers know about this proposal? Maybe it would be better if city residents just stopped throwing trash everywhere.

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7:16 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Workin Stiff said:
Way to go Baltimore City Council!! With the city falling apart all around and the residents leaving by the bus load the council tackles the important job -- plastic bags. What a laughing stock the city council is, rampant crime, embarrassingly bad schools, grotesquely high property taxes, a revolving door justice system and recycling trash bags is being discussed.

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4:44 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Examiner Reader said:
Hey you liberals ! What has happen that you are not saving the trees? This is why we went to plastic , don't you remember? I do!

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4:28 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 16, 2008 re: "Supermarket plastic bag ban in Baltimore advances"

Examiner Reader said:
Plastic bags do not pollute ! People do.Now we are going to see paper bags all over the place!

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1:41 PM MST on Wed., May. 14, 2008 re: "Plastic bags on their way out of The City"

Libidiot said:
They need to print "Recycle this Bag" in Chinese and Spanish on every plastic bag

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5:54 PM MST on Mon., May. 12, 2008 re: "Plastic bags on their way out of The City"

gerryx21dlr said:
I worked for Walgreens in Santa Rosa where the manager had to put a plastic bag recycle bin near the register. I found out that he told his staff just to throw out the accumulated bags alsong with the regular trash. OMG! I decided to take responsibilty and took the full bin of bags to Safeway's recycling area without telling my manager. If Walgreens could, they would lobby against using paper over plastic, citing extra costs and not really caring about the environment, wildlife, etc. Walgreens is not a good company.

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10:21 AM MST on Mon., May. 12, 2008 re: "Plastic bags on their way out of The City"

Examiner Reader said:
I do not often agree with the Supervisors but this time i do. Next to fast food trash plastic bags are all over the place and I have to pick them up because the city does not. How about charging fast food vendors a clean up fee and use the fee to employ people (supervised of course) to pick up the trash.

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2:15 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Annapolis’ proposed plastic bag ban sparks controversy"

Pizza said:
It is not that difficult to use a reuseable bag. Clearly plastic bags are not being recycled - look at the streets in the city. Maybe we should grow up and take some responsibility for ourselves and stop whining that we're inconvenienced by environmentalists.

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10:16 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Business owners blast plan for bottle deposit, plastic bag ban"

Examiner Reader said:
Don't use paper bags because trees have to be killed to make them. Now don't use plastic. It's for the kids. It's for the kids. I'm so sick of hearing that. Let's stop living so we don't disrupt the environment.

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6:54 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Business owners blast plan for bottle deposit, plastic bag ban"

Examiner Reader said:
Smiley face fascists like James Kraft continue to use “green” legislation to increase government’s power to regulate every human activity. The functionally illiterate voters in the City will welcome this fascist legislation and then whine for more government welfare when the Baltimore City economy takes another hit.

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2:39 PM MST on Sun., Mar. 9, 2008 re: "Lawmakers consider ban on plastic bags"

Student said:
The next generation will not complain about purchase tax or plastic old bags! Sell the trees for furniture not bags. Recycle!

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10:57 PM MST on Sat., Mar. 8, 2008 re: "Lawmakers consider ban on plastic bags"

Examiner Reader said:
Look we can't even keep criminals off the streets what makes them think we can stop people from using plastic bags. Don't we have better stuff to worrie about than plastic bags? like the fall of Maryland due to O'ididnothingforthestatemalley.

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9:08 AM MST on Sat., Mar. 8, 2008 re: "Alderman seeks to ban bags"

Examiner Reader said:
Let's not forget that it's not just supermarket shoppers who rely upon plastic bags to get groceries home. Just last week, when I shopped at a gift shop, a toy store, a beer store, a couple restaurants, bought girl scout cookies and got my shirts from a dry cleaner, all delivered my goods in plastic. Will we also ban newspapers being wrapped in plastic, or make it a crime to send our kids' lunches in plastic bags? This bill is completely ridiculous. As another reader stated, let's enforce the laws we already have instead of wasting state time & resources enacting new ones. I happen to reuse the grocery bags in my home's trash cans around the house, so they serve a useful purpose. My teenager, who is into saving trees, will have a heart attack if suddenly I require 15 huge paper bags to get my groceries. (I guarantee nobody will ever have enough of the reusable ones.)

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5:18 PM MST on Wed., Jan. 30, 2008 re: "Recycling group: Oakland plastic bag ban hurts the environment"

Examiner Reader said:
When the handles fail in the supermarket paper bags or if the paper bags fail and you are carrying glass jars, bottles, and breakable items in them, send Ross Mikarimi the bill. His idea.

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4:15 PM MST on Wed., Jan. 30, 2008 re: "Recycling group: Oakland plastic bag ban hurts the environment"

Seven said:
At the Safeway I shop in the Sunset (San Francisco), I haven't seen much of an increase in use of reuseable bags. The city ban on plastic bags has been pretty much just a swap of plastic bags for paper bags. However, the Sunset was the only district to vote against the plastic bag ban in the first place.

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4:40 PM MST on Mon., Dec. 17, 2007 re: "Environmentalists’ input sought tonight to change recycling bill"

Bag Monster said:
I support politicians who resist pressure to set unreachable goals with unreasonable timetables on environmental issues. Additionally, I commend the mayor for encouraging people to use “recyclable materials” like plastic bags! Glad to know some people are being realistic about environmental issues even in the wake of uber-Liberal San Francisco’s bag ban. Plastic grocery bags are recyclable, so what’s with trying to ban plastic bags? It's hard being a Bag Monster!

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6:29 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 20, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

Jeff, an Independent said:
First it was paper bags killing trees, now it is plastic bags killing the environment? Has anybody ever heard of the term "recycling"?

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6:33 PM MST on Fri., Jul. 27, 2007 re: "Annapolis’ proposed plastic bag ban sparks controversy"

Examiner Reader said:
Oh you've got to be kidding. Bery Scher of Giant likening banning plastic bags to banning cars. OK then, let's ban plastic bags and install speed limitation devices on cars (the way people drive in this state, it could only help). Even better is Safeway's Ten Eyk hiding behind the old "un-American" line...the ultimate in lame attempts to stop an argument! Look at the mounting litter and destruction humans' "freedom of choice" has brought to the environment! Quit being so ego-centric and grab a reuseable bag or two or three. Keep forgetting to bring them back to your car? Put them on the handle of your front door after you've unpacked them. This is something SO SIMPLE that will only have a positive impact for the environment and the animals that presently suffer because of human selfish laziness. I can't wait to see this ban enacted!

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8:47 AM MST on Wed., Jul. 4, 2007 re: "Alderman seeks to ban bags"

Examiner Reader said:
Howzabout if you don't like plastic bags, don't take them. Don't force your bag preference on me. Improper disposal of bags is the problem, not the bags themselves. And littering is already a crime. Oh, that's right... we don't enforce laws in Maryland, only make new ones.

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3:40 AM MST on Mon., May. 28, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

starbrite said:
I think this is a fabulous idea, hooray for progress! However, opponents raise some very valid points. The primary problem is that, without plastic (or paper, either, I would suggest), just what ARE you going to bring your purchases home in? Some say use the reusable bags. Great idea, for those of us who have and use them. I keep some in my car for when I shop, as does my family, and I have a few friends who do as well. But there've been a number of times I left them at home or I was out with a friend and didn't have them, and the store didn't have any left. Many, many, many businesses don't carry reusable bags. On top of that, most people may just end up accumulating more and more of the reusables - and likely just throw them out. NOT a solution! Hopefully the ban will force people to change their habits - although if in 10 years only 1% of all plastic bags are recycled annually, my guess is that human nature - laziness - invariably will make or break the success of this effort.

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10:23 AM MST on Sat., May. 12, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

Mink said:
I think that we should ban plastic bags because they are not good for the enviroment. Also whenever you drive you see atleast one on the side of the road that one careless person through out their window. Animals could die from this and also it causes global warming.

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9:15 AM MST on Thu., May. 10, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

Examiner Reader said:
I'd like to see the plastic bag ban extended to everyone, not just large chains. I see more bags that say "thank you" on them floating around or in the streets than ones that say "Riteaid", "Walgreens", "Safeway" or "Albertsons". Everyone needs to take responsibility including small businesses. It will not kill people to get in the habit of carrying a reusable bag when they go shopping, or to not use a bag for something that will fit in their purse.

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8:52 AM MST on Thu., May. 10, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

Examiner Reader said:
this is a great article. rigefield should conserve more too!!!

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6:03 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 11, 2007 re: "Plastic bag ban just part of S.F. green wave"

Examiner Reader said:
Hey Keeks this is for you, this is a cool article and may be a good idea to have everywhere.

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