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New 18,500-seat venue to be built at location of 1st Mariner Arena

Jul 25, 2008 12:00 AM (133 days ago) by Aaron Cahall and Andrew Cannarsa, The Examiner
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BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Baltimore’s new arena will be bigger than anyone expected and in a familiar location.

After months of deliberations, the Baltimore Development Corp. and a panel of city and state officials on Thursday announced plans to build an 18,500-seat, $300 million venue at the site of 1st Mariner Arena in downtown Baltimore. The plan could bring a professional basketball or hockey team to Baltimore, but it would leave the city without a major entertainment venue for three to four years.

“Whether or not we have a major league team … this is a major league city and deserves a major league arena,” said M.J. “Jay” Brodie, chairman of the arena advisory panel and president of the BDC.

Some city developers and urban architects met the panel’s decision with criticism. The existing building, built in 1962, is an obsolete but necessary part of the city’s economy, said Ed Hale, one of seven developers who pitched the panel on alternative sites.

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“There will be a loss of all the jobs for three years that are in security, concessions, the arena management company, the surrounding business like hotel and restaurants that are frequented,” Hale said. “I don’t know if everyone has looked at this from all the angles because there could be some unintended consequences.”

A feasibility study conducted last year for the Maryland Stadium Authority said 1st Mariner generates an estimated $47.2 million in economic impact and $3.7 million in tax revenue annually.

Brodie said the BDC will issue a request for proposals for a development team, with responses expect within 90 to 120 days. Those proposals would determine the eventual construction and opening timeline of the new arena, he said.

The new facility would be built on a footprint the size of Washington, D.C.’s Verizon Center, including the current parking garage area and a strip of land between the area and Hopkins Place.

Brodie said the panel would explore alternative sites for events like the weeklong Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus. He said the panel also met Thursday morning with Hale, operator of the Baltimore Blast indoor soccer team, and discussed the potential construction of a temporary facility for the team within city limits.

“It is a concern that you’re going to be losing the economic benefit of events during those years,” said panel member Don Fry, president and chief executive officer of the Greater Baltimore Committee. “Although you hope to maintain all of them at alternative locations, the reality is you’re not going to be able to maintain all of them.”

Brodie said financing details of the new arena were “up in the air” until proposals came in, but the plan sought significant private contributions. 1st Mariner Arena and its parcel of land is owned by the city and privately managed, but Brodie said that could change with the new arena.

That financing will take place without any current commitment from major league sports franchises, said panel member Clarence Bishop, deputy secretary with the Department of Business and Economic Development. But the panel said a major league team isn’t required to make the new arena a success.

“It isn’t just a major league team thing, it isn’t just the NBA,” he said. “It really is the concerts and the family shows and the circus. That we believe will fill an arena of this size, [despite] if or when there is a major league team.”

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4:37 PM MST on Wed., Nov. 26, 2008 re: "Panel: New arena could revive west side, handle pro team"

ds said:
i have been waiting a long time to hear news about getting a new team and a new arena. The old arena is horrible. I think building closer to i-95 would be the best place for it. An by the way we are already facing high taxes that they voted for, why not use on something good instead of letting the state house keep it all.

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4:35 PM MST on Sat., Nov. 15, 2008 re: "New 18,500-seat venue to be built at location of 1st Mariner Arena"

harisson said:
This means I will have to hop on the Green Metro line from White Marsh, get off and transfer to the Purple Metro line at Madison Square Metro hub. Ride all the way to the West Baltimore Metro Subway stop. Get off the the Purple Metro line go up the escalator to the second platform get on the Red Metro line all the way to the busy Charles Center Metro stop? Give me a break.

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4:25 PM MST on Sat., Nov. 15, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

baltimore lover said:
This project is going to be great. I love that its going to be built on the current spot, not in Canton. Since it is being built on the current spot I can just get on the Yellow Metro Subway line from the Columbia Towne Center get off at the Charles Center metro subway stop with access to Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green lines.

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4:16 PM MST on Sat., Nov. 15, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

marcell said:
I Think this will be great. Im glad they did not build it in canton because theres high crime there, and theres no public transportation except for the busy traffic on I-95 and I-695. Since there building the new arena on the current spot, it will have access to the red, yellow, blue, and green metro lines. That way the people who live in the suburbs like Anne Arundel County, Baltimore County, and Howard County can just hop on the metro to get back home. You will not have to worry about traffic. If this new arena attracts new leagues like an NHL and an NBA, the people dont have to go all the way to DC to see a game, they can go right up to the city and see the game. I think it would be nice to have a 20,000 seat arena than an 18,000 seat arena. The Charles Center Metro Station is be a major Metro hub. So you have access to many meto lines.

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2:32 PM MST on Mon., Oct. 6, 2008 re: "New Baltimore arena announcement expected Thursday"

MJ said:
The new arena would possibly reflect to about of 19,000 seats. My thoughts into the design of the arena is to modilize: Ford Field & Xcel Energy Center(exterior)design & Sprint Center & Conseco Fieldhouse(interior)design. The arena size should be twice as larger and also place an new 20 story business tower and new transit plaza on Baltimore & Hopkins with a new Red Line and Subway Stations connected to Charles Center Station adjancent to the Arena for events only.

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5:17 AM MST on Sat., Sep. 27, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Ty2K said:
Baltimore should get a new bigger 20,000+ seat arena downtown. Use the feild for dreams movie, if you build it he will come. thr browns came to Bmore becuase we built a new home for them. Maybe if we build a new arena new will get a NBA, NHL or AFL teams to come. or even Wrestlemania.

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8:31 AM MST on Sat., Aug. 23, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

MJ said:
Before we even get to the new arena lets think of Baltimore first. We becoming a city of disaster but the reason is money being spent to make somebody do more and thats why high hopes of the new Arena to draw money for Baltimore just like Oriole Park draws the Red Sox and Yankees fans who so call Camden Yards there Fenway or Yankee South and thats why that money should go to our public schools and neighborhoods for revitalization and who knows the Wizards might play half there home games here for the result of bringing into the NBA in the first place.

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8:07 AM MST on Sat., Aug. 23, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

MJ said:
Ed Hale is sort of right about where the Blast and events would go for 2-3 years its unthinkable. The Blast sort of have to moved to Towson,but it easy for them. But where the concerts and events would go? maybe to Druid Hill Park under a circus tent or not come here, yeah! that would draw us money LOL, really sarcastic.

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7:48 AM MST on Sat., Aug. 23, 2008 re: "Baltimore City’s arena risk could reward surrounding venues"

MJ said:
The arena should sit NE and SW diagonally or east and west giving more space also take one lane of Hopkins Place out for at least a little more room. Also take some fortunate designs from NFL stadiums like Edward Jones Dome(exterior design),Glendale Stadium(shape of design),Metrodome(access to light rail on Howard Street and Lombard Street of new Red Line)and new Dallas Cowboys Stadium(unique lighting and scenary except in downtown)

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1:51 PM MST on Wed., Jul. 30, 2008 re: "New 18,500-seat venue to be built at location of 1st Mariner Arena"

MJ said:
Hopefully M.J. Brodie listening,build a 20,000 seat state-of-the-art arena that would blow the faces off suprised spectators in which it catch NBA,AFL and NHL commissioners eyes at something that would help revitalize Baltimore in the future by that hire Frank Gehry and HOK sports engineers to design an arena that would receive an award for best design structure.

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11:12 PM MST on Tue., Jul. 29, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Examiner Reader said:
18500 seats with this new arena is exactly what Baltimore needs. It will attract much larger venues to the arena, and when there is nothing going on inside the arena, if built right, the streets around the arena will always be bustling with new retail. And this will provide a keystone between the developing west side and charles center; hopefully will also support a NBA team which will be supported by Baltimore Sports Fans!

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1:24 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 28, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

MJ said:
The idea of a new arena is miraclous, but the scene is inelgible. The easiet fact were to just put it at Gateway South. Its alot closer to I-95, still in walking distance from Downtown, and also to remodilize the area into an luxury spot than demolishing the current base and reconstructing a new arena without thinking about where the events would go for 2-3 years.

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11:07 AM MST on Sat., Jul. 26, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

Examiner Reader said:
Who wants go down there anyway with all of the crime!!!

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1:17 PM MST on Fri., Jul. 25, 2008 re: "New 18,500-seat venue to be built at location of 1st Mariner Arena"

Brian said:
The circus doesn't need 18,500 seats. This facility will surely operate at a deficit and cost $100mil more than it should. Here are 4 ways to do this better: 1) Build new medium-sized arena south of Lexington Market 2) Renovate the market and connect with new arena & Metro 3) Demolish old arena; extend Park Ave south to Howard Street; reconnect east-west streets 4) Construct smaller scale buildings along new street grid.

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5:01 AM MST on Fri., Jul. 25, 2008 re: "Panel: New arena could revive west side, handle pro team"

Examiner Reader said:
Selfserving baffoons!!

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8:26 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 24, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

Ray Smith said:
This state and city are taxed to death, people hungry, losing their homes, losing emplyment, the schools are a disaster, crime rampant, and they are going to sink a fortune into an arena.....what is wrong with this picture?

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3:01 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 24, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

Examiner Reader said:
The circus is stupid anyway. If you want to see a bunch of clowns, go to M&T on Sundays in the fall.

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2:40 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 24, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

Civic Center Forever said:
Absolutely Stupid...Say goodbye to the Circus which is a 2 week run. By the way with the exception of Madison Square Garden the Baltimore run of the circus is the longest. What a dumb move to leave the Arena where it is! Westport would be a perfect spot close to M&T and right next to I-95 and 295.....Come on folks use your heads!

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1:22 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 24, 2008 re: "Baltimore selects 1st Mariner Arena site for new arena"

Everett W. said:
Being an equestrian center has not stopped the Show Place Arena from hosting minor league hockey and indoor football teams over the years. The mileage is a toughie but maybe it could work for at least a share of Blast games. My long-term concern is that the rental for an 18,500 seat arena could end up being cost prohibitive for the Blast & Mariners anyway.

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6:46 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 21, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

DCS said:
The comment about using other venues is way out of line. With gasoline prices skyrocketing, and no relief in sight, adding miles to the trip to see a game is going to be a non-starter. Just for my example, my drive to see the Blast each game is a 70-mile round trip, and takes about an hour each way. If the Blast were to move to the Verizon Center in DC, my trip would now be 120 miles, and require 1½ hours each way. If they moved to the Comcast Center, my round trip is 125 miles, and takes 2 hours each way because of DC traffic. And it's a basketball court! If they moved to the Show Palace Arena, which is an equestrian center, my round trip is 130 miles, and 1½ hours each way. And that's an equestrian center, not suitable for the Blast. If they moved to the Patriot Center in Fairfax, VA, my round trip would now be 150 miles, requiring two+ hours in each direction. And you're not drawing the regular fans from the area! Heck, you're not even in the same state!

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5:41 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 21, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Examiner Reader said:
If Ed Hale would put up his own money, the arena he wanted would be built today. He wants the taxpayers to build his new arena. Enough! The taxpayers are taxed right up to their eyeballs and yell loud and clear: NO NEW TAXES! Mr. Hale; You want a new arena, build it yourself.

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5:40 AM MST on Sat., Jul. 19, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Examiner Reader said:
Attila, well said. Baltimore will NEVER attract an NBA team or an NHL team, which is a dying spectator sport anyway. These d**n politicians just want their name associated with something like this while they are in office. The Blast is one of the top three consistent entertainment draws in the city. The sooner they indict Dixon the better for Baltimore.

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9:32 PM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Attila the Hon said:
If the Baltimore Business Journal report is correct, then what the city & state officials are doing is suicidal. Simply suicidal! I just can't believe they can be that stupid. If they were quality managers, they would clearly be aware of the worst-case scenario and avoid that at all costs. Instead they are proving that they are totally incapable of making decisions in the best interest of the City of Baltimore by walking right into it. I really wish I was living in Baltimore so I can help vote these traitors immediately out of office. They are an absolute disgrace!

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1:24 PM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Albert said:
The public officials of Baltimore are dropping the ball once again. We deserve a major league sized arena, and not even specifically for the reason of getting an NBA or NHL team. Baltimore is a major American city. There is absolutely no reason why we should not have a legitimate 20,000+ arena. My advice to Mr. Hale is to get those 11,0000 fans, move them to Canton. Erect with a partnership if you can an MLS sized stadium, and live the rest of your life watching the 11,000 multiply along with your endowment and investment. What Mr. Hale did for the city and the soccer fans was and is outstanding, but the UISL is not the future and there is a greater potential for major success with MLS.

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1:05 PM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Patterson Park Resident said:
Couldn't Ed Hale just temporarily move the Blast to another venue for two seasons while the new arena is built? There are several viable arenas that could serve as a temporary home for the Blast: Comcast Center, Verizon Center, Patriot Center, and the Show Place Arena.

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11:48 AM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Sports Fan said:
By the time they make a final decision on what, where, and when and how, the new arena will be obsolete just like the existing one was the day it opened. Let's do it, and do it right. We are a major league city, so let's act like one.

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11:42 AM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Examiner Reader said:
Internet is right. A bigger arena one day might bring the NBA or NHL plus a bunch of concerts and pay per view events. The only people who do not ralize this are elected officials. What a waste of space they are.

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11:30 AM MST on Fri., Jul. 18, 2008 re: "Ed Hale: Baltimore Blast doomed if new arena built at current downtown site"

Internet said:
I am a fan of the Baltimore Blast, but to hold Baltimore hostage by preventing them form expanding and possibly attracting an NBA or NHL team is absurd. Baltimore need a large arena for concerts, NBA, etc. Let is happen, this city is already dying, anf no offense...the Blast ain't doin' sh!t for Baltimore revenue

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