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Jul 14, 2008 12:00 AM (45 days ago) by Kathleen Miller, The Examiner
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WASHINGTON (Map, News) - In Montgomery’s political circles, so far mum’s the most popular word on slot machine gambling.

The anti-slots movement being led by Marylanders United to Stop Slots lists more than 100 steering committee members, but only six state legislators and one council member representing Montgomery County are on the roster.

Montgomery Councilman George Leventhal, the lone participant, said he’s working against slots because he doesn’t think the state can get the machines without doing business with companies linked to organize crime.

“We should raise money in an appropriate and transparent way, and I don’t think slots machines are that,” Leventhal said. He says he’s not bothered that no other council members have joined Marylanders United to Stop Slots.

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Fellow slots opponent Del. Luiz Simmons, however, is frustrated with his state legislative colleagues.

“Slots are the easy road for politicians to travel down; it holds the promise of a free lunch, all net-net and no cost,” the Montgomery Democrat said. “Overwhelmingly, those who lose money are the poor, the old, the vulnerable and racial minorities, the very same people we’re always saying we are trying to help.”

County Executive Ike Leggett last summer asked Montgomery’s state legislators and council members to hold their fire on the topic. Now, Leggett’s spokesman Patrick Lacefield reiterated that Leggett remains personally opposed to slots but said he has not yet decided whether to publicly lobby for either side during the months before the November referendum.

Simmons said, “The Montgomery County political establishment has caved in here.” What bugs him the most, he added, is that Montgomery’s state legislators, who largely fought together against slots proposals from former Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich, were vital to passing this year’s referendum.

“I thought when many people spoke out against Ehrlich’s slots, that they spoke on principle,” Simmons said. “It turns out they spoke on politics. Here’s a group that said rhetorically, we’re against slots, but when push came to shove, the referendum couldn’t have passed without them.”

kmiller@dcexaminer.com

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6:12 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 14, 2008 re: "Polls show Montgomery may be leaning toward favoring slots in Nov. referendum"

 Robin Ficker, Broker Robin Realty said:
Slots are a mindless exercise. My State Senator Rob Garagiola is doing the bidding of Senate President Mike Miller on this. They support slots because they want the gambling campaign contributions. More money will not slake the desires of slots proponents. They will want more and more as they get more and more.

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11:19 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 5, 2008 re: "Experts say state underestimates social costs of slots, inflates gain"

 Examiner Reader said:
I can't believe Mr. Wineholt's statement. Hey idiot boy, slots are not going to prevent higher taxes...it just give the spendocrats more money to blow on worthless social programs that don't work. Once this revenue stream is tapped out, taxes will rise yet again. Your statement is a joke. I have an alternative for you....STOP SPENDING MONEY THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE...just like most Marylander's have to do. Stop raising taxes and spend within the State's means,,,just like the local jurisdictions have to.

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9:46 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 5, 2008 re: "Experts say state underestimates social costs of slots, inflates gain"

 Examiner Reader said:
We live in America, who cares if someone wants to gamble. If you spend all your money I don't give a damn, I love playing slots and I'm not broke or have a drug addiction. People need to stop trying to police what other people are doing, I don't tell you how to live so don't tell me how I should. Some people should not reproduce but I don't see people trying to stop them from doing what they want.

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4:57 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Chamber of Commerce announces slots support"

 Examiner Reader said:
“Truthfully, anything that goes on around [slots] is just the icing on the cake.” says Buck. Buck must be living under her sofa in a dark, dank basement. What goes on around slots is drug dealing, prostitution, and a feeding tube for addicts. It's a very sad day for MDers when the education of our youth depends on people with no money standing at a slot machine putting their last quarter into the slot hoping for the big win that rarely comes.

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2:59 AM MST on Tue., Apr. 22, 2008 re: "O’Malley, Franchot spar on slots — again"

 avid reader said:
Both of these clowns need to go to another country. O'Malley hated slots when we had a real governor, not his group of Miller, Busch and O'malley want it. Md. sucks !!

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8:16 PM MST on Fri., Apr. 18, 2008 re: "O’Malley, Franchot spar on slots — again"

 Examiner Reader said:
I find it curious that Martin O'Malley is Maryland's top slots supporter, when he was so ardently against them during former Republican Governor Robert Ehrlich's term in office.

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9:13 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 7, 2008 re: "Slowdown may boost slots plan"

 BooHooLoo said:
Fat chance of this happening in this state ........"If the state does what it’s supposed to with slots revenue, they’ll cut back on taxes, which will help all the citizens." The Ehrlich slots bill is finally alive again.

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7:24 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 7, 2008 re: "Slowdown may boost slots plan"

 Examiner Reader said:
I trust Dion as far as I can throw him. He is a yes man for O'Malley...nothing more, nothing less. Remember the Guardian Angels in Edgewood? How'd that work out for y'all.

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5:17 PM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Grumpy said:
Several years ago Martin O'Malley said "Slots are bad." That was the end of the debate for me. Henceforth and forever more I will be against slots and I will vote against the slots referendum because Marty said slots are BAD.

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11:30 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
If Mr. Bartenfelder, 6th district County Councilman, has aspirations of being the County Executive after Jim Smith, Let's see what he does to rid the 6th district of this criminal element, as an example of what we can expect from him if he is elected County Executive. We are watching Mr. Bartenfelder.

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10:10 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
Ok enough now! I just did some real work looking up cases! Don't blame the cops!!!!! Blame the states Attorneys and the Judges! The cops file charges, the State Attorneys Stet them or NOLLE PROSEQUI 99% of the cases!! Don't beleave me? look at the Maryland Judiciary Case Search Results web page and look up these cops and see how many bars they try to bust, just to have there work go on in Vane!Claypoole, Mark and Vaughn, B T. I take my hat to you two guys! But the State Attorneys are making a mockery out of you guys! here is the web site casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp See for yourself!! Now to the Examiner, LOOK INTO THIS FOR US PLEASE

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8:51 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
Gee wizzzzz! Ever wonder why carry-out liqueur stores have people sitting their stores playing the machines? Maybe just to Be amused seeing their money going down the drain having Just fun! Please Examiner, Take a stand on this and do some (REAL EXAMINING) Do some real investigating reporting(if your editor will let you)and ask questions to law and code enforcement people. Bet they say, We don't have the time, resources,and infinitive to do so!!!!!!

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8:36 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
To the last two posters: I could not agree more!! AMUSEMENT ONLY?? Who in thier right mind would pump a fist full of twenties in a (so-called AMUSEMENT DEVICE)Just have fun watching the cherries pop up? COME-ON COPS! GET WITH IT! I wonder how JOSEPH J. (SONNY) MINNICK will vote on this? after all. he ownes a bar and grill in Dundalk! I'm laughing at the jerks looking the other way!!

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8:31 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
To 6:51 a.m.: You cannot be serious... People play them for "Entertainment"??? Right... I pump 20 bucks into the machine just because I want to pretend I am playing slots. These are illegal machines, and they ALL pay out. Tully's, Costas, even Stoneleigh Bowling Lanes had one at one point. The 7:09 poster is correct... All these machines provide is income to ownership via illegal gambling revenue. But no one should pretend for one minute that anyone plays these for entertainment purposes. Just like Amusement Novelties and Fundraisers Unlimited provide "casino nights" for prizes and not cash. State-sanctioned gambling that goes unpunished.

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8:04 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
To 7:09. You are right my friend. Same is true for 8326 Harford Road in Parkville. The guy gets shut down, just to hall the machines back in within the last week or so. I hope the Examiner follows up on this story.

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7:09 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
They say they raid the bars and take out the machines, however the machine guys bring new ones back in the same bar the same day! (DUHH)I once owned a bar and made over 400.00 to 600.00 tax free cash a week. As far as the baltimore county liqueur board goes some the inspectors play the machines themselves. What a joke. Just take time and ask how many times the tempo lounge and mr B's n essex have been busted.But the machines are still there. Hmmmmmmm heres a thought, Del. Mike wier goes to the Tempo all the time. I also wonder (wink) why the vending co's loan people who want to start a bar business 1000's of dollars to start????? SIMPLE HUH?

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6:51 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
You are all missing the point.. they are talking about those picture matching machines at the bars that also may have poker on them. Some bars pay you out on them if you hit, but you have pump alot of money into them and you have to be a regular at that bar. Outside of that, you are strictly using it for its intended purpose - Entertainment... Man, this state is scraping the bottom for sources of revenue through taxation. MOM, you are doing a great job. Really. Way to chase out the tech services. Its hard to tax someone when they no longer are in the state to be taxed. It would be different if this state had awesome attractions to offset the high taxes (think NYC) but instead all we have is an unsafe city, a crappy transit system, a corrupt Baltimore City and state government.. and thats about it.

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4:19 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
follow the money

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2:09 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Franchot says Baltimore County permits, shuts slots at same time"

 Examiner Reader said:
m aybe somebody in baltimore county government is getting paidoff. maybe someome recently kleft baltinore county government after many years had been getting payoffs.

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11:31 AM MST on Thu., Feb. 14, 2008 re: "Franchot and Miller spar over budget, slot machines"

 Examiner Reader said:
Poor Franchot and his overpaid staff. All State agencies are facing downsizing and his should be no different. What a whiner.........

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8:30 AM MST on Thu., Feb. 14, 2008 re: "Franchot and Miller spar over budget, slot machines"

 Robin Ficker, Broker Robin Realty said:
Senator Miller and his Deputy Sen. Garagiola pushed through the 6% tax on computer services without public hearings. It passed the Senate 24-23 with Miller and Garagiola voting for. This will lead to computerf geeks leaving Maryland, a dumbing down of Maryland.

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8:54 AM MST on Tue., Jan. 22, 2008 re: "Pro-slots groups spend big on lobbying"

 Horrible said:
Slots under Erhlich = bad Slots under O'Malley = good Gota love hypocrites.

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7:41 AM MST on Tue., Jan. 22, 2008 re: "Pro-slots groups spend big on lobbying"

 Marlowe said: said:
lobbbying = LEGAL BRIBERY.....

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3:07 AM MST on Tue., Jan. 22, 2008 re: "Pro-slots groups spend big on lobbying"

 avid reader said:
For something that did not have the interest of the three stooges in Annapolis this is really a hot issue now. The MOB stinks.

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4:11 PM MST on Mon., Dec. 10, 2007 re: "Impact on tracks without slots unclear"

 consertative said:
this slots deal passed by yo'malley and his band of ner do wells stinks. the slots should have been put at all the tracks. before i drive to rocky gap i will go atlantic city where they know how to treat a gambler. way to go yo'malley. have galss of katie's bathwater to celebrate your rape of maryland taxpayers.

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3:59 PM MST on Mon., Dec. 10, 2007 re: "Impact on tracks without slots unclear"

 Examiner Reader said:
Show outrage when any one is beat, animal, human, freind or foe. Would not wish it on the worst. Where is the love? Peace out people. Let's see outrage from both blacks and whites on this. Slots are pout of my league. Leave it to MOM.

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6:56 AM MST on Mon., Dec. 10, 2007 re: "Impact on tracks without slots unclear"

 Examiner Reader said:
Didn't we all ready do that 6 years ago? I believe the results were 70+ in favor.

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8:38 AM MST on Thu., Nov. 15, 2007 re: "Harford County is added to list as a potential spot for slot machines"

 Examiner Reader said:
Whats the big deal about slots! They act like slots are a safe haven for crack heads. I've never seen any at Charlestown or Deleware! Maryland has almost every form of gambling from the Horses to every type of lottery you can think of and don't forget Bingo in the Church. Im my opinion, the only compulsive gamblers I've seen are at the 7 Elevens holding up the lines to play scratch-offs. This past summer at the State Fair, the Lottery pavallion seemed to be the most popular choice among the people. Marylander's are already playing slots, let's just keep the money home! As for the referendum on slots, I believe we already had one, when we elected Ehrlich! Maryland is alway's last to jump on the merry go round, and when we finally do, we miss the boat. (Lose the Preakness like we did the Colts).I guess some of these Politicians want to close the barn door after all the animals got out!

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8:38 AM MST on Thu., Nov. 15, 2007 re: "Harford County is added to list as a potential spot for slot machines"

 Examiner Reader said:
Whats the big deal about slots! They act like slots are a safe haven for crack heads. I've never seen any at Charlestown or Deleware! Maryland has almost every form of gambling from the Horses to every type of lottery you can think of and don't forget Bingo in the Church. Im my opinion, the only compulsive gamblers I've seen are at the 7 Elevens holding up the lines to play scratch-offs. This past summer at the State Fair, the Lottery pavallion seemed to be the most popular choice among the people. Marylander's are already playing slots, let's just keep the money home! As for the referendum on slots, I believe we already had one, when we elected Ehrlich! Maryland is alway's last to jump on the merry go round, and when we finally do, we miss the boat. (Lose the Preakness like we did the Colts).I guess some of these Politicians want to close the barn door after all the animals got out!

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5:35 AM MST on Thu., Nov. 15, 2007 re: "Harford County is added to list as a potential spot for slot machines"

 O'Malley watcher said:
Put the slots in Harford County but I won't play. Not with the Government taking 2/3 of the profits. The machines will be so tight. The owners need to make a profit. The profit will be in the computer part of the machine to NOT pay. The odds are against anyone who puts money into a computer slot.

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2:47 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 6, 2007 re: "Currie: Slots will pass"

 Examiner Reader said:
Since when is Flava Flave an authority on anything. Give me a break, I can't stand her!!! You might as well ask a "New Age believer" because that is what she is, a new age religion. YUK, she sucks!!!!

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11:10 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 6, 2007 re: "Currie: Slots will pass"

 tax free marylander said:
i dont want slots and i dont want more taxes!!! i cant stand anybody who takes out their ass and mouth at the same time, it gets hard to understand them! And if the citizens of Maryland allow this modern day Oliver Twist and his pocket pintching clan to succeed, they will vote themselves another 20% pay raise while us underlings continue to sink into financial dispare. Shame on those who think it is a "privledge" to be taxed! As Flava Flave says..."FIGHT THE POWER"... YEAH BOYIE!!

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6:59 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 6, 2007 re: "Currie: Slots will pass"

 Examiner Reader said:
We don't want them here or around Ocean City.

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4:38 AM MST on Wed., Oct. 31, 2007 re: "Slots divide county officials"

 Examiner Reader said:
"This is really going to hurt us," Gouge said. Start being fiscally responsible now! You can start by NOT creating Tregoning's private army, which we cost millions just to buy additional cars and the myriad other equipment they will need.

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7:32 AM MST on Tue., Oct. 30, 2007 re: "Slots’ effect not consistent"

 Examiner Reader said:
Ill bet those that marched for civil rights and those who gave their lives for equality and opportunity are turning over in their graves to see how young blacks (not all but most) are taking advantage of their efforts. Who would have thought it was almost for nothing. Shame on you NAACP, and also your racist Rev's JJ and AS (you know who I'm talking about).

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10:36 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
Until the NAACP steps up to the plate and tells their constitutents to get off their duffs and take education seriously, stop the unwed females from having illegitimate children out of wedlock, go to work and take over the jobs the illegals are doing in their place, it might start receiving a little respect. Until all of the foregoing occurs, the NAACP will always be the laughing stock of this country.

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8:41 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
"Perhaps this is where your frustrations as a human being began at" No they start with pompous-ass I'd-rather-insult-than contribute-anything-intelligent-because-I-can't Republicans bigoted turds like you. Get a life loser GOP, you have nothing to good to defend......so just keep insulting.

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8:22 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Wallace said:
And what political power, influence, or credibility does media hounds, such as the NAACP, have? None! They are about as inconsequential and irrelevant as their esteemed leadership and growing numbers of supporters! I say let the people decide. If the NAACP had stayed current with what minorities really needed, instead of becoming a country club full of Black elitist, maybe people would take them seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if the NAACP doesn't turn around and start trying to scream that the casinos aren't run by one of their rich buddies! Let people decide for themselves, surely NAACP should be more concerned about the lack of registered voters in Baltimore, and more than that, how few of them actually vote. Get minorities to vote NAACP, empower them NAACP, get back to your grassroots basics. Your founding fathers would be ashamed of what you have become.

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8:10 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
Vile Liberal Dem----that is an excellent name for yourself, as Most Dems are coincidentally smug, unkept and just plain out ugly. Perhaps this is where your frustrations as a human being began at?

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7:28 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "County officials back tax package"

 Examiner Reader said:
"What is the difference between slots and the lottery?" None, but identifying information would serve as an asset.

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7:28 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
why does the NAACP have a say in this? didnt know it was racial slots! we'll put black levers on the machines guys, dont worry.

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7:12 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
But they totally support black on black gun violence, at least that is what their record shows

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6:51 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 DOC said:
Since the NAACP has more problems than it can possibly find solutions for, maybe the State should step in and tell them how to fix their issues.

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5:48 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
If the numbers provided by the latest study that Marylanders spend 150 million dollars annually, then the NAACOP would have to answer some questions before I'd give their position serious consideration. Because it is not enough to just say no to slots. What proposal/options if any does the NAACP offer to prevent Maryland from losing 150 million to other states? Who are those folks traveling to other states to spend 150 million dollars? What is the difference between slots and the lottery?

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5:36 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Wallace Farmer said:
And the NAACP has "how" much influence and political bite or influence these days? Let the people decide if they want slots or not. What the NAACP should be doing is focusing on getting African Americans to register to vote, then excercise their voting power. If they had worked to help empower people, and educate them, then they wouldn't be in such a laughable position. It is sad how pathetic this once great organization has become, and how far from their core princilples they have strayed.

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5:21 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: No slots"

 Examiner Reader said:
"What false statements,, do tell?, neighbors will gossip for agenda, a sin you know. Go to the source, the truth shall set you free." Some people just never practice what they preach!

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3:43 AM MST on Mon., Oct. 29, 2007 re: "NAACP to state: Say 'no' to slot machines"

 Bill said:
Nice to see the NAACP worried about slots as they have solved all their BIG problems.

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1:21 PM MST on Sun., Oct. 28, 2007 re: "Slots divide county officials"

 Examiner Reader said:
Who cares? Neither gets a vote on the issue and no one has proposed that this last bastion of Republicanism be a home for slots parlors.

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2:42 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 27, 2007 re: "County officials back tax package"

 Vile Liberal Dem said:
What false statements,, do tell?, neighbors will gossip for agenda, a sin you know. Go to the source, the truth shall set you free.

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11:39 AM MST on Sat., Oct. 27, 2007 re: "County officials back tax package"

 Examiner Reader said:
Distrust, distrust, distrust. Hard knocks?? Not being judgmental are we and sprinkling your neighbour with damaging imputations or false statements?

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