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Article History The hard part is done. You’ve managed to find someone who can stand your presence on a regular basis. Time to pop the question — but how? Do you kick it old-school, dropping low on bended knee, or do you get creative — skywriting, “will you marry me?” on the Orioles’ new Jumbotron? An engagement ring at the bottom of her champagne glass? Is there a full-proof method guaranteed to get results?
DAN: Proposing is akin to posing a query in a court of law: Never ask a question that you don’t already know the answer to, i.e. you propose when you know she’s going to say yes (or no if your strategy is to extricate yourself from the relationship — when a woman says no to a marriage proposal, that’s pretty much the dating version of the last rites.
How you propose is irrelevant in terms of affecting the answer; it’s all about making the moment itself memorable, so you want to be daring and creative. So I decided to contact one of the most daring wordsmiths and creative writers I know, Lenore Skenazy of The New York Sun, to give us her opinion. Lenore?
LENORE: If the idea is to be fun and creative, can we start by agreeing that there is nothing creative — anymore — about the skywriting or the Jumbotron? Nor the plan that gives you all the fun of proposing a life together while possibly choking your beloved to death at the same, ironic moment: the ring at the bottom of glass?
I’ll grant you: It is hard to come up with a new way of pleading with someone to keep you company from now through eternity (if you believe the DeBeers ads — which you shouldn’t. They’re just trying to sell you a commodity that they would have you believe represents love, when all it really represents is conformity). But anyway, yes it’s hard to be utterly ingenious when you’re doing what so many others have done before you. So I’d aim for something a little less showy and a little more personal.
For instance, if your beloved is a Charlie Brown fan, put your message in a peanut. Or have him kick a football and on the side of it write, “I will never pull this out from under you at the last minute. Or give her a security blanket with your name on it. After all, you’re volunteering for the job of comforting this person for the rest of your life.
Another daring idea is not to be hokey at all. Your proposal does not have to elicit “aww”s from the audience. Discuss it like adults in love. After all, the guy who put a $12,000 ring in a helium balloon to propose to his the other day accidentally let go of the balloon and off it went. “Now she isn’t speaking to me.” There’s a lesson in there somewhere. (And a ring somewhere, too.)
JOAN: This discussion reminds me of the scene in “Moonstruck” when Johnny Cammareri (Danny Aiello) proposes to the widowed Loretta Castorini (Cher) in a restaurant without kneeling, without a ring, without passion and without imagination — which is symbolic of how their marriage would have been. Thank God she marries his brother in the end.
Now how would I want to receive a proposal? As long as I’m in love with the guy, it doesn’t need to be extravagant — just meaningful, thoughtful, creative and a little sentimental. Like going to our first bed and breakfast or favorite beach. Or he could write a sonnet, make my favorite foods (all chocolate, of course), or bring me a dog with a ring around his collar from the humane society.
DAN: Me, I’d propose at the Renaissance Festival. We’d be watching the men-at-arms cross swords, when I’d excuse myself on the pretense of getting a steak-on-a-stake. Having made arrangements in advance, I’d slip away to where the knights gather, put on my armor, get aboard my horse and ride out on to the field, my face covered by my mask. The knight picks a lady faire from the audience by bestowing upon her a silk kerchief from the end of his lance — which I would do. With all the choreography mapped out, I’d then kick my opponent’s metallic butt, and when it came time for my lady to honor my victory, she’d lift my visor (surprise) — and I’d bestow the ring, all to thunderous applause (and hopefully local TV coverage). How’s that?
Dan Collins is a terminally single 40-something writer and local PR maven. Joan Allen is a noted matchmaker extraordinaire and author of “Celebrating Single and Getting Love Right: From Stalemate to Soulmate.”
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Nancy-Single on the Road said:
From working with ESPN and an 90% crew of men every weekend for over 10 years, I can comment on this one! Every weekend that I show up for work, I am bombarded by comments on my outfits, and this is from men that breath and eat sports! AND THEN they quickly move on back to sports. Unless they are clothes designers, metrosexuals, or extremely in touch with their feminine side- I just don't think it merits much attention or is a top priority for men to spend time on the subject of our outfits. I think they make a mental note of our choices over time and make a mental summary (just like they would with their favorite -or soon to be not so favorite by those choices- quarterback.) Men ARE from Mars, but keep those new dresses coming without expecting a response and they will appreciate you like Venus. Even if its sharing nachos watching the game.
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Nancy-Single on the Road said:
Just moved back from SoFla and your articles my Mom sent me I now enjoy right off the driveway!I've been living in the dating nightmare capital of the world for women over,well, 35 is over the hill down there.Add to that I'm 5'11" so I was one of the tallest people down there and am not enhanced with plastic surgery...yet.So,it was time to come home and meet a nice guy only to find everyone tell me its a dating nightmare HERE!(Just one reason for the move btw.)Also, I work with almost all men on the road in the TV /Sports Industry and travel alot.Bitter?Airplane for one please.You'd think it would be easy to find one crispy in a stale bag of chips, but its not! You know the OJ book,'If I Did It?' Well, mine is,"If I Dated It!" The sad part is all the stories I gather from singles(sorry Dan, usually women-the men are busy showing pictures of their wives-NOT) on the road are just as pathetic.So what words of wisdom do you have for this tall,45ish,nomadic newcomer to Balto.?
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"“Now I’m waiting on a birth mom in Florida. It’s very hard to find a birth mother if you are single in the U.S. I have a room set up for a baby, a rescue dog, and a new career that I love. Now I want to save a child, not the world.”" Ugh. You really need to education yourself about adoption before you consider it. If you're going in with the idea of 'rescuing' you've got a long way to go. Also, birth mother is a sexist and offensive term. It implies that a woman is only an incubator. A pregnant woman is an expectant mother.
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Joan, try a valium.
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Happy Mom said:
My son went on J-Date last year, connected with a young lady living in Hawaii for a year, started talking long distance and he decided to go visit her (he figured if she didn't work out he knew he would love Hawaii). Long story short, he called 6 days later and said he loved both. They are on their honeymoon right now. My daughter met her husband on same site, he was living in Virginia, but distance didn't seem a problemk. They are now married for 3 years. So sometimes these services do work and make the parents happy to see their children happy!
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re: "For me, it can take months to trust and truly love someone, and during that time I am open to meeting others." -- I think the ambiguity and potential conflict comes from people who say what you say but are also willing to have sex with the person in the mean time. Many people equate sex with exclusivity. If she does and you don't, there's a problem. Either you have to wait to have sex until you're ready to be exclusive, or she has to be willing to have sex without being exclusive. The problem is no one likes to talk about this until after having sex. ;-)
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