Lawmakers pass county police force referendum
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BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Voters will decide the primary police agency in Carroll after a bill creating a referendum survived lawmakers’ infighting.

On the last day of the General Assembly’s session, Del. Susan Krebs, R-District 9B, threatened to block the bill’s passage if Sen. Larry Haines, R-District 5, did not stop holding up two other bills supported by the delegation.

One of those bills allowed liquor stores in Carroll to stay open on Sundays; the other expanded the board of commissioners from three to five members elected by districts, a measure that failed two years ago.

Haines could not be reached for comment, but he wanted commissioners to continue getting elected at-large.

Krebs said Monday her plan to use the police referendum as leverage worked, and all the bills were expected to pass.

“We’ve had a number of local bills not get through the Senate and we’re getting a little frustrated about it,” Krebs said. “We’re working as a delegation and we’re trying to get all the bills through, and then we find out he’s working behind the scenes.”

She had initially opposed the referendum, but decided to support it because the rest of the delegation did.

“We want to play by the same rules and that’s it,” Krebs said. “I’m trying to get our delegation to work together.”

County commissioners voted unanimously in October to create a police department with an appointed chief while reducing the Sheriff’s Office and abolishing the state’s only Resident Trooper Program, in which the county contracts troopers to patrol it.

But Sheriff Kenneth Tregoning and many residents have spoken against it, and they say the public was excluded from the decision.

The referendum will take place in November, and the expansion of the commission will take effect in 2010, during the next local election.

msilvestri@baltimoreexaminer.com


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3:11 AM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Public safety positions funded"

Examiner Reader said:
An extradition fugitive technician? how many out of state people wanted in carroll county are found out of state? and the only time that there is an issue with returning a out of state wanted is when that person refuses to waive his rights to the extradition process. and that rarely happens. look for a political appointment to this position

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5:34 AM MST on Thu., Apr. 17, 2008 re: "Amid turmoil, sheriff’s office won’t expand"

Examiner Reader said:
The first paragraph of this story is very misleading. It is NOT the Sheriff's office plan not to expand, it is the commissioners plan not to LET it expand! Let's get the story straight Mr. Silvestri!

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5:10 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 16, 2008 re: "Amid turmoil, sheriff’s office won’t expand"

Examiner Reader said:
I'm truly amazed by the continued arrogance of the county commissioners. They didn't get their way so now they're jeopardizing public safety by neutering the Sheriff's Office! One would expect that the commissioners would be a little bit more professional than this! Instead of boohooing over what you didn't get, wipe the tears from your eyes and open them up and look at what you DO have. You have a truly professional law enforcement agency in the Sheriff's Office. Grow up for pete's sake!

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9:17 AM MST on Tue., Apr. 8, 2008 re: "Lawmakers pass county police force referendum"

Examiner Reader said:
The state police are going to soon run out of areas to patrol. Now they only patrol a very small number of the counties in MD, and they basically are responsible for running radar on the highways and patroling rural areas. They haven't been the real police for years anyhow, ask most of them the last time they handled a domestic. ha.

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5:31 AM MST on Tue., Apr. 8, 2008 re: "County police force referendum backed by band of Maryland sheriffs"

Examiner Reader said:
Minnich is right on this issue.Ken Tregoning is a good man but this is biigger then him. There is no accountability or qualifications required under an elected system. Carroll has elected some very unqualified sheriffs in the past.The delegation over stepped its authority on this one just to get votes on a difficult issue. Glad the commissioners had the guts to hang in there on this one.

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7:11 PM MST on Sat., Mar. 29, 2008 re: "Residents back police agency referendum"

Examiner Reader said:
Did anyone see the Mt. Airy community meeting on the 24th. Minnich isn't getting his way so now he's starting to attack the deputies. The only thing the deputies are doing wrong is working in Carroll County for someone like him. I'll be surprised if the sheriff's office ever gets anything again from this commissioner board. I was a Minnich supporter until I saw the way he was acting and attacking the sheriff's office. He has truly turned against a great bunch of loyal employees in the sheriff's office who has done nothing wrong but try to provide for their families.

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6:24 AM MST on Thu., Feb. 21, 2008 re: "County police force referendum backed by band of Md. sheriffs"

Examiner Reader said:
No one should be surprised that other sheriff's are backing tregogning. The other Sheriff's see the writing on the wall. That wall is called accountability. ANYONE, yes ANYONE can run for Sheriff. This antiquated colonial system is terribly outdated. The only purpose the Sheriff serves is the one that was originally intended, serve civil papers and provide court security. The fact that we are even debating this issue makes no sense. All departments of County government, ALL should be held to the highest standard. That standard is upheld by selected the most qualified individual based on accomplishments and education, not a popularity contest. Why is it that we take the chance of electing a person with no law enforcement experience to protect us yet we select the best people based on backgound and accomplishments to oversee all other county departments? Again, the fact that this is even being debated is ridiculous. Transfer the Sheriff budget to a County Police as soon as possible.

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5:22 AM MST on Thu., Feb. 21, 2008 re: "County police force referendum backed by band of Md. sheriffs"

Examiner Reader said:
No new taxes, Read my Lips ! Julia you sound awfully familiar here. Let's keep the Sheriff's Office moving forward !

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4:00 AM MST on Thu., Feb. 21, 2008 re: "County police force referendum backed by band of Md. sheriffs"

Examiner Reader said:
"The voters are pretty smart people," Bartlett said. "I'm here to support that this go to referendum." Yes, we are smart enough not to be influenced by a bunch of Tregoning's buddies who do not live or work in Carroll County!

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4:34 PM MST on Tue., Feb. 12, 2008 re: "Residents back police agency referendum"

John in Westminster said:
so this will set up an otherwise staunchly Republican county in the position of owing a favor to an otherwise unfriendly governor... This is politics at its finest, and just what we don't need. If the commissioners seems so certain that this is a good idea, then they should trust the citizens they SERVE to make the right decision.

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12:11 PM MST on Fri., Feb. 8, 2008 re: "Commissioners ask O’Malley to block police referendum"

Examiner Reader said:
What is behind Gouge and Minnich's fear of a vote on this issue? Hey Julia next election you are out of office !

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7:45 AM MST on Fri., Feb. 8, 2008 re: "Commissioners ask O’Malley to block police referendum"

avid reader said:
Thanks for taking my truthful comment off, but CC still sucks.

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6:43 AM MST on Fri., Feb. 8, 2008 re: "Commissioners ask O’Malley to block police referendum"

Examiner Reader said:
Don't want the residents of CC interfering in the workings of county government now do we. Arrogance at its finest. When are those two up for reelection?

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5:50 AM MST on Fri., Feb. 8, 2008 re: "Bill would force referendum on Carroll police ordinance"

Examiner Reader said:
Please, Please put an all out effort to alert the voters to this underhanded means of blocking what the citizens of the County should have a right to decide on. Not the games of politics versus safety.

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5:09 AM MST on Fri., Feb. 8, 2008 re: "Commissioners ask O’Malley to block police referendum"

Examiner Reader said:
Very nice. Gouge and Minnich have asked O'Malley to intervene to limit democracy in Carroll County.

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6:01 PM MST on Fri., Feb. 1, 2008 re: "Commissioners defend decision on county police department"

Examiner Reader said:
The commissioners are holding another public meeting about the county police force tomorrow, 2-2-08 from 10am-12pm at the county office building. I don’t understand why. They do not care for citizens input. The citizens can protest against the police dept until they are blue in the face and they still will not change their minds. The commissioners are hoping that the referendum will be killed in the House. Write to your delegates to prevent this from happening. Write to the news media! Please continue to support the referendum. November is a long ways away.

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5:53 AM MST on Fri., Feb. 1, 2008 re: "Commissioners defend decision on county police department"

Examiner Reader said:
I am glad that Senator Haines went forwarded and introduced the bill. He understands how important an issue this is. It is not just about police vs. sheriff. This is about the people’s fundamental rights to have a choice – to be heard. Delegates Elliott and Stocksdale were against introducing the legislation. Citizens, remember where these two delegates stand when election time comes around. I guess they believe that you don’t have the right to choose, just like the Carroll County Commissioners.

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7:26 PM MST on Wed., Jan. 30, 2008 re: "Commissioners defend decision on county police department"

Examiner Reader said:
I suppose Gouge needs a new means for otherwise unemployable friends and relatives to get on the public dole. She needs to be removed.

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5:27 PM MST on Wed., Jan. 30, 2008 re: "Commissioners defend decision on county police department"

carroll county voter - sheriff for cc board said:
Very simply a power grab by the commissioners. Please do not re-elect any commissioners. Here's hoping the Sheriff will run for election as a county commissioner.

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6:38 PM MST on Mon., Jan. 28, 2008 re: "Sheriff says county misled him on plans for police force"

Examiner Reader said:
"Here we go again. People are going to start bashing both agencies. Can we just leave it alone?" No.

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4:29 AM MST on Sat., Jan. 26, 2008 re: "Sheriff says county misled him on plans for police force"

Examiner Reader said:
What a hoot! General Tregoning was planning on replacing the MSP with his ex jail guards. Now he's likely--at best--to be the equivalent of a warden again. There is justice.

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9:03 PM MST on Thu., Jan. 24, 2008 re: "Sheriff says county misled him on plans for police force"

Examiner Reader said:
Julia Gouge needs to be voted out of office ! She has her own interest at heart. What political ally will she make a Police Chief? I bet his initials are D.R !

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6:57 AM MST on Wed., Jan. 23, 2008 re: "Residents question proposed county-controlled police force"

Examiner Reader said:
So what happens to the Sheriff's Office when the next elected Sheriff steps in to office?? Would he order his officers to do their mandated duties and forgo law enforcement duties? Who knows for sure? Also, if you are a deputy under a sheriff and lets say reported that there are some discrepancies or something that may be shady under that current Sheriff, a Sheriff would have the immediate power to dismiss such a deputy. The Sheriff would have so much power and immunity from the County Commissioners could pose a problem if someone with a hidden addendum should become Sheriff. A police chief would have to go through a process to do the same and would be held in check by multiple authorities. Therefore there would be some stability if there was a County Police force. I would like to see a County force, but I would like the Commissioners to ensure that the force would be emplaced with extreme prudence without disregard for common sense and haste. Thank you.

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5:59 AM MST on Wed., Jan. 23, 2008 re: "Residents question proposed county-controlled police force"

Examiner Reader said:
Once again, our comminsioners are doing what they feel is right vs. what the public wants or needs. Why creat a new force under their direction instead of expanding upon our current ellected Sherrifs office? Only because they have no control over the current situation and they want to have control. Just as they said, they want to be able to make changes when they feel change is needed. When "THEY" feel , not whn the public feels.

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10:33 AM MST on Thu., Jan. 10, 2008 re: "Commissioners move forward on countywide police department"

Examiner Reader said:
To Concearned : Its obvious that you don't know what training or experience that members of the Sheriff's Office have. Alot are from other agencies to include Baltimore City, MD State Police, Prince Georges County, Frederick County and several local departments. The county used to have a combined CID. This unit consisted of both Troopers and Deputies. The unit received numerous citations for their work. I agree that the county needs to asume responsibility for its law enforcement. I beleive that the Sheriff should be the primary agency. The Troopers should be able to do what they are suppossed to do. Be State Police and help local agencies that are overwhelmed or dont have the capability to police. Stop bashing the Deputies and Troopers. All are committed to their jobs and the citizens of the county. The county commissioners seem to have an alternative reason for starting a county police department. Why should Gouge or Minnich have their hands in the till? NO MORE TAXES !

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1:22 PM MST on Thu., Dec. 6, 2007 re: "New police retirement plan approved by commissioners"

Examiner Reader said:
Doesn't 48% retirement for Howard County seem incorrect?

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12:50 PM MST on Tue., Dec. 4, 2007 re: "New police retirement plan approved by commissioners"

LE said:
Here we go again. People are going to start bashing both agencies. Can we just leave it alone? Both agencies are capable of handling the policing in this county. But facts are facts. Carroll County is the last county that has the resident trooper program. We need to move forward and have the Sheriff’s Office become the county law enforcement. It works in other counties. It will work here.

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11:20 PM MST on Mon., Oct. 8, 2007 re: "Lawmakers give support to countywide police unit"

Examiner Reader said:
interesting. know when/how long sheriff was a trooper and how much contact he's retained w/ rtp officers, brass?

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11:18 PM MST on Mon., Oct. 8, 2007 re: "Lawmakers give support to countywide police unit"

Examiner Reader said:
interesting. know when the sheriff was a trooper aand how contact he's remained w/ r.t. program officers?

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2:50 PM MST on Sun., Oct. 7, 2007 re: "Lawmakers give support to countywide police unit"

General T said:
"The sheriff is a retired trooper...so he must know something..." Sure, he knew enough to retire and launch another career building his own little Army. it would be a hoot if he got the nod on this and then was unelected.

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8:09 AM MST on Sun., Oct. 7, 2007 re: "Carroll County to phase out resident troopers"

State Police said:
The comment about the increase in crime is true...kinda....they can still use preventable measures with presence...BOOOOOOO Keep MSP here and serving the citizens without an increase in taxes....can barely afford the water bills in this county....let alone a new police department

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8:07 AM MST on Sun., Oct. 7, 2007 re: "Carroll County to phase out resident troopers"

Concearned said:
The sheriff is a retired trooper...so he must know something...offer all the resident troopers a lateral transfer with their time and salary....have them mold the new department with the sufficient personal....make the nine investigators from the barrack detectives for the carroll county police department...lets face it....they have handled all the major crimes in the county for years....the deputies just dont have the knowledge or experience...and thats not there fault but its just facts....make the deputies serve papers under the sheriff and hire msp and new recruits for the carroll county police department....and will the towns still have their own police department???and more important...what color will the cars and uniforms be.....oh yeah more money spent for all the supplies/cars/guns/equipment/station/non sworn personal......this is going to cost the tax payers a ton.....

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8:20 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 6, 2007 re: "Carroll County to phase out resident troopers"

Examiner Reader said:
Make a county department so the retired troopers can ahve a job.. Keep the sheriff's office ! The sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer by law !

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7:45 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 6, 2007 re: "Lawmakers give support to countywide police unit"

Examiner Reader said:
Police don't protect anyone from crime. 99% of the time, all they can do is try to find the bad guy after the crime has occurred. I know this doesn't fit the mythical image of police work, but it's the truth.

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6:57 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 6, 2007 re: "Carroll County to phase out resident troopers"

Examiner Reader said:
This is a no brainer. Let the Sheriff's Department handle the courts, the prisoners and the warrants/summonses - make a County police department headquartered out of Westminster. It's time to start serving and protecting the tax payers of Carroll County in an efficient manner. Not on a "when we get around to it" basis.

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8:34 PM MST on Fri., Oct. 5, 2007 re: "Police: Improve technology first, then look to staffing"

Examiner Reader said:
"Violent crimes in the county increased about 110 percent, from 178 in 1994 to 374 last year, while the total number of officers went up only 23 percent, from 168 to 206, according to state police reports." Apples and oranges.

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5:28 AM MST on Fri., Oct. 5, 2007 re: "Carroll County to phase out resident troopers"

Examiner Reader said:
So, all the hoopla and debate about Tregoning's Army was for naught. It was aalready a done deal. Nice.

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