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BALTIMORE (Map, News) - A federal judge in Baltimore ordered Westboro Baptist Church members to post their church building and nearly $500,000 more in cash and property while appealing a judgment for protesting a Marine’s funeral.
The Kansas church members had hoped to avoid posting a bond while delaying payments in the $5 million judgment a jury awarded Albert Snyder, the father of Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder who died in Iraq.
Westboro church members preach that God kills American soldiers as punishment for the country’s tolerance of homosexuality. They protested Matthew Snyder’s Westminster funeral in March 2006 by waving signs with such messages as “Thank God for dead soldiers” and “God hates fags.”
U.S. District Court Judge Richard Bennett rejected their motion Thursday, ruling it would require “extraordinary circumstances” to avoid posting a portion of the judgment.
“The property could not be sold, no further mortgage could be placed on the property, and it essentially would be frozen in time,” Bennett said. He ordered liens on the $443,000 church and a $233,000 office owned by Fred Phelps, the church’s founder.
He also ordered two of Phelps’ daughters to post cash bonds within 30 days. Shirley Phelps-Roper was ordered to post $125,000; Rebekah Phelps-Davis, $100,000 because the original judgment against her was less than her sister’s.
If the church is successful in its appeal, the money would be returned and the liens would be lifted.
The church’s finances have raised questions of how members can afford to travel the country to protest hundreds of funerals each year, but only have a few hundred dollars in their bank accounts.
“If you ordered any one of them here today, they probably couldn’t afford to come, but yet they travel the world,” said Sean Summers, Snyder’s attorney. “There’s money somewhere.” In a telephone conservation with the court, Phelps’ daughters said they accepted the lien but vowed to fight payments even if they lost their appeal.
Phelps-Roper submitted to the court her income tax returns from last year, which showed she earned about $20,000 as a part-time lawyer. She and her husband have a home with about $175,000 in equity, and they donated about $64,000 to the church last year, Bennett said.
Phelps-Davis earned last year about $55,000 as a lawyer. She and her husband have a home worth about $162,000 in equity and they donated about $7,000 to the church, Bennett said.
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Examiner Reader said:
"Phelps-Roper submitted to the court her income tax returns from last year, which showed she earned about $20,000 as a part-time lawyer. She and her husband have a home with about $175,000 in equity, and they donated about $64,000 to the church last year, Bennett said". WHERE did the 64 grand come from??? These vile evil toads need to be sued into oblivion. The are the church of hate, and are as evil as our worst enemies. The "Reverend" Wright said G*D D*mn America?...how 'bout damning THESE creeps???
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Examiner Reader said:
Megan does not date and "considers her cousins and other church members her friends". "Today, about 70 people, most related to the family, regularly attend the weekly Sunday services." Now, let's analyze the above... inbreeding explains their small brains. Only God should judge us, and He created every one of us. How dare they hurt those sad people attending funerals so that they can be in the spotlight and have a little fame. This is not Christianity as taught at any of the churches I have ever attended. This sounds like pure evil to me.
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Examiner Reader said:
I think they are terrorist and should be delt with in the same matter as Al Quada. I have know problem with people protesting but when it comes to funnerals I draw the line. My fellow Marine rest in peace and justice will be served by the courts.
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Examiner Reader said:
Lets all get together and kick there arses!!LLOL
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Examiner Reader said:
I'm a former Marine SSgt and it makes me sick to my stomach to see these people protest at the funerals of fallen Marines or any brach of the services. If they like god so much maybe they should have a mass suicide that way they can meet he sooner than later.
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RDH said:
Just another example of idiots using the media to further themselves!!!!!!!!!!
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Bill said:
One of the worst articles I have ever read. Can the Examiner show the Phelps in a more positive light? Anyone who doesn't realize that these people are idiots seaking publicity needs to have their head examined. Can you imagine how bad of a parent you have to be to raise your children to protest at a funeral - a time for the parents, family and friends to morn the loss of their son, and loved one. These protests are beyond barbaric and the court and jury agree. The Sun did a good article on how hated these people are and these protsts are just one more step in their idiotic antics, and ignoring them hasn't made them go away. If it makes any difference I am an Independent that has always been against the Iraq war; I currently have 2 relatives in Iraq, and 2 other currently home but headed back. They are all really super, great, average type people - like by all that know them. The Phelps - are and should be hated, fined, and the adults put in jail till they learn civility.
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Chris Plummer said:
What the hell is this article's purpose? It reads like a puff-piece spotlight in some society page.. Since when do these people warrant a look into what it is like at the homestead? Children playing amongst hateful protest signs? It's so nice to read they are playing on Xboxes. Why not also give us a tour of their bathrooms that have indoor plumbing. This whole Phelps thing is being fueled by the press, and this is further proof of it. These jerks would just disappear in the mist if the newspapers and TV news shows wouldn't be giving them free advertising and promotions.
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more sick en tired then all............... said:
Getting the hell out of Dodge,(Maryland) wipe the slate clean and start a new beginning; Exodus sounds like a great idea. Leave it all behind!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff, an Independent said:
If you don't like America, then get out!
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Examiner Reader said:
Yeah, these kids will grow up to be real outstanding citizens.
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Examiner Reader said:
Where are all the Republicans spouting "If you don't like America, than get out" ...or do they only say that to liberals???
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Examiner Reader said:
You people are missing the point. The church was NEVER denied the right or venue to speak, so their rights were not violated. The first amendment DOES NOT protect them from financial damages caused by thier speech. YOu will pay a fine if you yell fire in a theater. you can still do it, but you will pay a fine.
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Examiner Reader said:
I disgree with hating people. God loves everyone, even the sinners, he just wishes that those sinners would be like the prodigal son and come back to him. God doesn't like it when people become judgemental and don't submit to an earthly government. Do you remember the Bible verse, "love you neighbor as yourself"? If you are saying that gay people are (what ever you call it) and you destroy other people's property then what does that say to people about when you come to them in the name of the Lord? You don't win people over saying cusses and that thier going to hell you show them compasion like Christ did. Jesus' words, "Anyone who hasn't sinned, shall cast the first stone" means everyone has sinned, so no one is perfect and we do not make the decion of who goes to hell or not, thats God's decion. What our job as Christians should be is to be ambassadors of Christ and spread the good news to those who are lost. "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" Romans
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Examiner Reader said:
Let us call it quits; the way to do it is from now on you and these people have never met. That way if you should meet these people in public it will be acceptable to act as if you do not know them. It will keep the peace. You are free from any wrongs and so are they and myself. It is best this way, for all involved. People can go their own way to their own church without any condemnation. No acknowledgment in a public place, prefer that separate places continue to avoid running into these people, I do it as a courtesy and expect the same consideration. Nothing exist, no forgiveness, there is nothingness, but hatred and revenge.
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Examiner Reader said:
"To be a true Christian you must have love for everyone just as God loves them. The only thing God hates is sin." You should practice what you preach; God does "HATE FAKE CHRISTIANS." He will also judge them. Seeking revenge, spreading rumors. Participating in gossip, and divulging private information that someone has trusted you with, is a SURE SIGN OF IMMUNTURITY, SLANDERER, HATERS OF THOSE THAT DO GOOD, AND NOT CHRIST-LIKE BEHAVIOR. Are you so filled with revenge that almost every waking moment you are devising evil against that person?? So much filled with revenge that you will not forgive them, even when they have asked you to forgive?? So filled with revenge that you have involved outside resources to act on your behalf to fulfill your revenge???? Sorry, brother these are all markings of a fake believer. You can quote any scripture but when you live in a state of mind such as revenge and hatred filled you are not in the Christian race.
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Examiner Reader said:
"I disagree with what they stand for and feel that they are intentionally inflicting emotional distress upon me as I have had a family member murdered by a person currently on death row." Then make your as the fallen Marine's father did and, if a jury agrees with your 'feelings', then take the award and donate it to the ACLU--or the Westboro Church.
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Examiner Reader said:
As a Christian,I believe that himoisexuality is a choice not the result of an unidentified genem.God, Himself calls it an abomination. Why would He do that if He had created it? However, God did not say that he hated the Homosexual. In fact Jesus taught that we should hate sin but love the sinner.Jesus, the son of God, gave us the greatest of all commandments & that is "Love one another".Jesus was never unkind to anyone no matter what their sin.This preacher doesn't know the Lord.If he did he couldn't do what he is doing.The Lord also said judge not lest you be judged in the same manner.All this man is doing is giving Christians the world over a bad name.I pray that those hurt by this man will come to know God's peace & enjoy the love of Christ thru Christians the world over. A true Christian follows Christ & obeys His commandments by loving others as Christ first loved us.To be a true Christian you must have love for everyone just as God loves them.The only thing God hates is sin.
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Examiner Reader said:
They were not inciting violence. They were expressing a view that is unpopular with the majority; some of whom might respond to that message with violence completely of their own volition. Assembly permits are not required for small groups on public access streets as such a requirement would be chilling on free speech. I see groups of anti-death penalty protesters all the time in Baltimore. I disagree with what they stand for and feel that they are intentionally inflicting emotional distress upon me as I have had a family member murdered by a person currently on death row. While I would be more than happy to file a lawsuit to bankrupt whatever organization those people belong to, I recognize that in a free country they have a right to their views.
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Examiner Reader said:
These fools are inciting violence. Thats what this will lead to. Also do they have a permit for their gathering?
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Examiner Reader said:
The only reason the jury found for the plaintiff is emotion not logic. If Westboro had been protesting outside a school, private home, church service, or Presidential ranch at Crawford, TX this case would have been thrown out. It is reprehensible what this group does and stands for, but they have a right to an opinion not expressed by the majority of others. This case HAS to be overturned as it will open the floodgates to every claim of infliction of emotional distress due to speech. It is distressing, but it protects a constitutional republic. If this ruling is allowed to stand, then NO speech is protected since there will always be someone who can claim "intent to cause emotional distress". Westboro did not call for sedition or for violence against others; infliction of emotional distress is not an exclusion to free speech protections. A higher court will overturn this verdict.
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Examiner Reader said:
Let me know when one of these brainwashed idiots dies so i can attend their funeral with signs
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Wallace said:
As a gay man, I think that freedom of speech is very important. Though I do think that it should be reserved for "proper use". I understand firsthand, by the Church and its intolerence of me and people like me, a person that has never hurt anyone. I also see this as an opportunity for people to see the Church for exactly what they are, and put a face to their message, "God hates us, and we are his enemy." My brother is serving in the military, and I was a police officer for my community, sacrificing my life for my community, but from the view of the Church, I am hated by a loving god?!?! We (gay people) need to see this, and understand that religion is not haven of love and protection. You cannot be yourself, you must live a lie to be loved by the church and their god. I am proud to be American, and glad that our forefathers worked to protect everyone in this country, regardless of faith or lack of it. I am glad that they even worked to protect those church people's hate speech.
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The Undertaker said:
I'm all for free speech, but that is not without limits. Intruding on a funeral (especially for a private citizen) to make your argument is extreme and I'm glad that these people are finally being held accountable.
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Examiner Reader said:
"At its core, these actions are all protected by our freedom of speech laws." So said one lawyer wannabe below. First, Clarence Darrow, there are limits placed on free speech, even in public places. Go ahead and incite people to violently overthrow our government or take a seat in a movie theater and yell "Fire!" when there is none. More importantly, the jury's award was clearly driven by its finding that the Westboro Gang intentionally inflicted emotional distress on the fallen Marine's father. That, and not free speech, was at the heart of this matter. So, go watch another crime drama on TV and, during commercials, pick up a law book and skim through it. You just might learn something.
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Examiner Reader said:
Don't count on that judgement being overturned. I hope it brings down all of them from that church. It was a taunting protest provoking a response. I think society is getting tired of these so called "peaceful demonstrations." This may be the first of many to fall. It is long over due. I would be pretty comfortable in saying that when our "rights" were formed that demonstrations like this were not intended or expected. It's probably not in the spirit of the writings. People like to shield themselves under the so called rights but, as we learn over time, everything has it's limits. Also, learn the Fed system. A federal jury can be made of of people throughout the state, not just people from Baltimore.
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Gay in San Jose said:
If GOD didn't want me here because of my hosexuality, then he'd take me out, well I'm still here, partnered and with teenage children, and I a bad person??? I think not. I couldn't be happier with my life, so accept it people, we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Examiner Reader said:
If animal rights activists can protest right outside a person's home, is that not an "invasion of privacy"? If reporters tail a "celebrity" all day, is that not an "invasion of privacy"? While the Westboro church is a terrible one, it is the price one pays for living in a free society. The judgment against them will be overturned. Breaking down the case into its barest elements: it was a non-violent protest on public land near a private event. This is clearly protected by free speech laws, which a jury of Baltimoreans clearly did not understand. Once it reaches the appellate level it will be overturned. They did not go into the funeral and thus there can be no invasion of privacy. It would have been the same if the NAACP protested at a KKK event or if the KKK protested at an NAACP event. At its core, these actions are all protected by our freedom of speech laws.
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Examiner Reader said:
It's not a freedom of speech issue. It was however an "invasion of privacy" issue and an intentional infliction of emotional distress . The portion of the law suit over free speech and right to gather was tossed out. What this church does it disgusting. I would not be so civil if they protested at my family members funeral. They're sense of reality is warped. They contradict so many aspects of the bible by their actions.
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Examiner Reader said:
This is disgusting - first amendment rights give these people the ability to protest no matter how tasteless one might take it to be. Just another example of our rights being whittled away by the left.
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Examiner Reader said:
Since the father has repeatedly stated that his win is not a victory about money- I hope that he does the right thing and donates his win to VA hospitals and familes of other killed/wounded soldiers. Use the money wherever it is needed...
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Examiner Reader said:
Who is the quack psychiatrist witness. Is he saying anger and depressioon are not related?
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m johnson said:
My bible says nothing about Noah being mocked (I think that is in a movie somewhere). It just says that the world was filled with violence and God's way was being interrupted by wickedness. It says God did away with the flesh accept Noah and his family who were righteous and the clean and the unclean animals and promised never to send another flood. The Westboros have done a lot of taking for gospel what their leaders tell them instead of actually studying what the bible, as a whole, is trying to say. And what of Noah? when the flood ends he builds an altar to thank God, plants a vineyard and then goes and gets drunk. Genesis 9:21. What a role model! They should be comparing themselves to Jeremiah or Elijah not Noah. Now those guys were REALLY unpopular.
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Examiner Reader said:
This church is not a baptist church. They should be kicked out of the baptist church. What a disservice to a fallen hero,who died so they my live. Paul A. Davis longview texas
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Renee from Baltimore said:
I think a lot of us are missing the mark on this. We are not here to decide whether or not homosexuality is "right or wrong." Whether or not you agree with and/or accept homosexuality- ANY person can see what these protestors are doing is wrong. Morally and ethically. They are protesting at a funeral. This is families' and friends' time to gain closure and say good-bye. This is a private moment that should be available for decent memories not memories that evoke feelings of despairation. It does not matter what message the protestors are trying to get across, what matters is that their platform is totally uncalled for and should be banned- not just them sopecifically but anyone who would be heartless enough to protest ANYONE'S funeral. Please don't get stuck on the issue of homosexuality- the issue here is the respect of a deceased individual and their family.
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Volveus said:
I think Shirley Phleps Roper dying is gods way of saying stop smearing my words and the judge is a douschebag
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Examiner Reader said:
This Westboro Church is totally wrong. Yes the bible teaches against Homosexuality, but it also preaches against Hatred and Racism. CRL's Pastor by no means condones Homosexuality, I've sat through several sermons where he denounced Homosexuality. In fact CRL,is one of the few Mega Churches in the City, where you hear a Pastor take a stance against Homosexuality. Westboro needs to do some better research before they randomnly pick churches, that actually have the same beleifs. I love my homosexual brothers and sisters, but I love my God more, and his word says that it is sinful to live a homosexual lifestyle.
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Examiner Reader said:
where are these animals staying in baltimore? they should take a walk in some of less desireable areas of the city. most of the city.
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Examiner Reader said:
The Westboro Baptist Church is an embarrassment to the human race. Picketting outside a fallen soldiers funeral is about as low as you can go. People should picket outside of their church during their services.
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Examiner Reader said:
I am kinda happy that this is the face of religion smeared on the television sets. Just like the mormons condoning marriage to children to justify pedophillia, and the Catholic church molesting little boys and being sent to Rome to cover it up. Just like the Jewish Rabbis sucking on little boys privates after circumcision giving them syphillis, just like the treatment of women as property in Islam, and condoning castrating them to deny them enjoyment of what is natural. Religion is being exposed for what it really is. This is religion and the face of it. I am afraid of those people, very afraid!
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S. Ford said:
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that believers are to condemn others; judgment, and vengeance, are left entirely to God. We are to do *good*, to love each other, to gently confront others -- in love -- only when necessary; to remove the beam in our own eye before we remove the speck from someone else's. Hate such as that which is demonstrated here is not from God, and is not right in any sense. Hate comes from evil, not ever from good. The real shame, however, is that the young people in this perverse and lost family are indoctrinated into a lifestyle which apparently focuses on the paranoid persecution of strangers rather than learning how to do right, and be right with God and with one's fellow human being. Finally, it is highly instructive when "one doth protest too much." This often happens when one him- or her- self is actually guilty of that which is so vigorously rejected.
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Hillary Clinton (D) NY said:
Wait till the College Republican gets out of school and has to go to work and pay his taxes, Lets see how he will feel then. He's just not worldly enuff yet.
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Examiner Reader said:
all I can say is WOW. I saw them on the news and was left speechless. I cannot imagine the reason they provide to themselves to disrupt something as emotional and private as a funeral. And "their God" is ok with that? Wow!...I agree with the previous responders who said that God does not hate, an calling them a "religion" is way too generous. WE need to pray for THEM!
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Examiner Reader said:
Thankfully, people are not as dumb as they were decades ago, and don't fall for this chicanery of a religion anymore.
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Examiner Reader said:
College Republican is as naive as they come.
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Wallace said:
The death of religion, and the birth of reason is officially in full effect! Reason isn't steeped in hate, racism, classcism, or any other ism. Hopefully the day will come when we can see all religion for what it really is, and start to view our world with reason and humanism...
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Reader said:
The back of their signs say vote for Hillary, because these nut jobs think that a large part of voters are stupid, and will automatically think that Hillary supports them...Reverse psychology going on here. But voters are more informed than at any other time in history, particu