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Metro finds flaw in hybrid buses

Mar 12, 2008 1:00 AM (171 days ago) by Taryn Luntz, The Examiner
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Hybrid Metrobus operator and shop steward Thomas Mickel leaves the New Carrollton station for his afternoon rush-hour route Monday. Mickel says that glitches with a brand new bus are to be expected, especially considering the amount of  technology that is now incorporated in such a vehicle. – Greg Whitesell/Examiner

Hybrid Metrobus operator and shop steward Thomas Mickel leaves the New Carrollton station for his afternoon rush-hour route Monday. Mickel says that glitches with a brand new bus are to be expected, especially considering the amount of technology that is now incorporated in such a vehicle. – Greg Whitesell/Examiner

WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Metro's entire fleet of hybrid buses has faulty engines that sometimes fail to start.

“It started at the beginning of their service life, but it has really manifested itself across the fleet in the last six to eight months,” said Phil Wallace, Metro's general superintendent for bus maintenance and engineering. “In the last three months, we put our finger on it.”

The flawed engines are responsible for the hybrid's high engine-failure rate compared with the agency's other new buses. Metro's 50 hybrids, which were rolled out in 2006, had a 26 percent failure rate in January, compared with a 7 percent failure rate for the agency's compressed natural gas buses and a 5 percent rate for clean diesel buses, new data shows. The statistics were compiled for the first time at the request of the board of directors.

Wallace said the microcomputer embedded in the engine of each of the hybrid buses was not properly sealed by engine manufacturer Cummins Engine Co. The computers, which measure the engines' exhaust back pressure and temperatures, have been malfunctioning when the buses are exposed to heavy rain or pressure washing. Moisture slowly seeps into the computer, triggering the check-engine light and causing the engine to cut off while the bus is running its route, Wallace said.

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Metro has to find another bus for passengers and dispatches a service car to the bus to reset the system.

“It was a design issue with this model,” he said. “It passed all their testing, but their testing wasn't rigorous enough.”

Metro has ordered 203 more hybrid buses, which are scheduled to arrive beginning in September, but Wallace said the manufacturer is correcting the problem. Cummins is scheduled to deliver new, properly sealed computers for Metro's current stock of hybrids at the end of the month and will install them shortly afterward, he said.

Metro staff members have seen the testing data for the new computers and are satisfied with the methods and results, Wallace said. The bus engines are still under manufacturer warranty and Metro will not pay for the replacement equipment. Each General Motors Hybrid bus costs at least $130,000 more than compressed natural gas or clean diesel buses, but are considered more fuel-efficient and environmentally friendly.

Unlike compressed natural gas buses, hybrids can be stored in regular bus depots and require no expensive facility conversions.

“They're cost-effective to operate,” Wallace said. “Other than this issue, the buses have performed very well since they've been in service.”

Bus breakdowns

January bus failure rates by cause

» Hybrid

Engine: 26 percent

Air system: 4 percent

Transmission: 2 percent

Doors: 0 percent

Brakes: 2 percent

» Compressed natural gas

Engine: 7 percent

Air system: 2 percent

Transmission: 2 percent

Doors: 0 percent

Brakes: 0 percent

» Clean diesel

Engine: 5 percent

Air system: 0 percent

Transmission: 2 percent

Doors: 2 percent

Brakes: 1 percent

tluntz@dcexaminer.com

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11:30 PM MST on Sun., Aug. 24, 2008 re: "Metro cracking down on speeding bus drivers"

Examiner Reader said:
B.S. They speed all over King County and I ride every day. Forget the Stupivisors ans get the Police ticketing them.

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6:36 PM MST on Tue., Aug. 12, 2008 re: "Metro cracking down on speeding bus drivers"

Examiner Reader said:
They need to check Pennsylvania Avenue SE at 15th Street SE heading toward Capital Hill. During the morning rush these buses slam on the gas to beat the changing lights. Anyone that happens into the intersection thinking the big monster will have to stop would be a goner.

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3:34 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 11, 2008 re: "Metro cracking down on speeding bus drivers"

Examiner Reader said:
Way long over due....

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2:05 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 14, 2008 re: "Metro: Driver fired for failing to reveal conviction"

Examiner Reader said:
When does it comes to a point in society and in the workforce that an ex-offenders can make an differences. Time served is time served. Life after your serving time should be a clean slate.....they are trying to survive too!

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9:17 AM MST on Sat., Jul. 12, 2008 re: "Alexandria eyes adding Potomac Yard Metro station"

Examiner Reader said:
I wish they were putting the metro on the South side of the Potomac yards shopping center, where there really IS a dearth of stations. Where they are putting it is pretty close to National Airport already, and sounds like they are moving it even closer, which won't help with the long gap between the new station and Braddock Road.

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1:34 PM MST on Tue., Jul. 8, 2008 re: "Metro testing out system aimed at timely bus service"

Sketchee said:
Maybe they'll realize that some of their schedules are unrealistic and adjust accordingly. I love the displays that the rail has saying when trains are coming. While its not possible to have displays for bus stops, it would be great if we could tap into this system via our mobile devices, automated telephone system or SMS. Then we could know to the minute when the bus is really going to be there, not just by a static printed schedule.

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4:06 AM MST on Tue., Jul. 8, 2008 re: "Metro trying to make room for private bus service"

Examiner Reader said:
Perhaps they can give some free tickets to the WTOP morning show Brits, to get out of DC with their annoying accents? They are a bit to snit for this no Brit. Lets have some real DC chatter.

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1:39 PM MST on Sun., Jul. 6, 2008 re: "Recent charges latest in string of embarrassments"

Examiner Reader said:
I can't count the number of times I have been hit on by a metro bus driver who is more than likely married. And in light of the RKelley Child Sex Trial, you would be shocked at how some of the drivers carry on in conversation with females that look as though they are still in jr or high school!

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6:40 AM MST on Thu., Jul. 3, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
You all are scaring me! I am coming up to Olde Town Alexandria to watch the fire works on the fourth for the first time. During the day, I will be also be taking the subway for the first time. At the moment, I am wondering what I am going to see across the train , or on the floor, for that matter. Well, one can only hope I guess.

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5:46 PM MST on Mon., Jun. 30, 2008 re: "Pr. William supervisors present vision for future of county transit"

Chris said:
Dream on, Prince William County. Virginia can't even get it together to solve its transportation woes in the inner-burbs like Arlington. I can't see Metro ever going all the way out out to the exurbs in Pr. William anytime soon. It took 30 years of planning just to get rail to Dulles, and even thats still shaky. If it took that long to get rail to DC's main international airport, why would they do rail out to Pr. William, where all those houses shouldn't have been built anyway? When gas hits $10 a gallon the whole county will be a ghost town.

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10:37 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Nationals, Metro in talks over parking spots at garage"

Bus Driver said:
I was a guest of WMATA. Their people have old-fashioned Southern manners. I wish we had them here in NY.

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10:34 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Funds sought to redo slippery Metro floors"

Bus Driver said:
Yeah, all you people know is to sue. You people claim you are handicapped are not cracked up to what you are supposed to be. I see it everyday and when we offer you a friendly hand, you refused. You know who are the real handicapped? The ones who are responsible, happy, cheerful and independent. If I could have them seven whole days not, one in seven.

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9:13 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
Yrs ago a Metro manager & his secretary made woopee on his desk regulary in early AM before most employees arrived. The fire station employess in next door building however could observe the activities from a window that became popular after the word spread. Metro was eventually informed and got in the office locked door one morning to find them together. They were both fired, but the secretary was found not to be on work time that early & had to be reinstated. Lightning

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8:03 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Independent Marylander said:
Could this be an attempt to boost ridership of public transportation?

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7:18 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
why is there a picture of maryland at about an 80 miles above it? Is this to point out where dupont circle is? Wow, killer article.

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6:45 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

OHBOMBA said:
56K base salary? Add OT and Pimpin'. Hey MD, it's your tax money being paid for these employees to supliment their real income being done on company time. You should be happy they were busted.

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6:43 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

N Waff said:
I'm sure this will be defended by the ACLU and their kind - as a legal right and their pursuit of happiness. The country was founded by Christians who receive freedom from their sin nature through the exercise of their faith. Now the country is degrading into encouraging the rights to exercise our sin nature without any judgement of right or wrong. What was sin is now our freedom and liberty.

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5:50 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

M.D. said:
I wonder how much tax payer dollars were wasted on this futile operation. This is a waste of time and money to try to enforce...

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2:15 AM MST on Fri., Jun. 27, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
Its ok to pick up a sexual partner when no money is involved. But if there is money involved then it is illegal.

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9:15 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Classic Metro features disappear as transit system updates style"

Examiner Reader said:
metro is always trying to improve service to the public, you travel on the trains if it is not good for you or running late GET ANOTHER WAY TO GET TO WORK!!!!

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9:07 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "District passes tougher penalties for assaulting Metro operators"

Examiner Reader said:
you people act like its the employees fault the trains run late, how about its your fault they run late because you hold the doors open

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7:36 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
I don't understand why everyone is jumping to conclusions. If you compare this story to the stories of FOX, CBS, NBC, and ABC they are all saying something different. If having a flier with women in swimsuits insinuate sex then there are a lot of people in the city that need to be arrested. I think that if she was as involved as the janitor she would have been fired on the spot. Can we be mad at the DC police for not investigating cases that are more important. I can't stand ignorant people.

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7:20 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
Goes to show you that these applications with the 1000 trick mental questions are useless. I can not tell you how many times I applied for a position in the subway, but its people like this that get jobs.

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6:12 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
If this is happening on the public rail lines what do you suppose id happening on that private subway that those fools in the seante use?

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5:47 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro looks to new radio system to eliminate tunnel ‘dead zones’"

Examiner Reader said:
If Johnson, Herbert and Nabb stop taking Metro's money the radio system would work. Lets see Nabb work for another company, Johnson and Herbert was _________ And some kind of way, next thing we know Nabb was running COMM TSSM Three Fools can't get the job done. So the GM needs to stop promoting fool, and replace them . The employees know more then managers. But if anyon'se talks Johnson will see to it you will be fired, wrote-up, or dismiss. It just no winning.

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5:13 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
Who cares what the bible has to say? Maybe we should reference Harry Potter, it's a work of fiction too.

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2:35 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Rush said:
$56,647 is a lot of salary to pay a lazy no good worthless pimp...

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2:24 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
blacks will never acknowledge that crime committed by their own race is simply crime--period, not a racial issue....can you say annoying?

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2:14 PM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
Wow, some republican turned this into a racial issue. I guess this line of thought will never go away.

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9:24 AM MST on Thu., Jun. 26, 2008 re: "Metro workers snagged in sex sting"

Examiner Reader said:
No wonder ridership is near an all-time high!

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5:01 PM MST on Fri., Jun. 20, 2008 re: "Officials consider altering where trains stop in stations"

Examiner Reader said:
With all the so-called smart people who ride metro rail, no one bother to get a car number!

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2:53 PM MST on Wed., May. 28, 2008 re: "To speed service on Metrobus, agency eyes spacing out stops"

Brian said:
I can't believe it's taken Metro this long to get their arms around the idea of spacing out the stops. If I catch any one of the southbound buses running on 14th street from the Columbia Heights area, it's not usual that the bus will stop at EVERY BLOCK running south bound. It really is absurd. The only advantage is that you can walk along the bus route without fear of missing a bus (because you could easily reach a stop as soon as you spot an oncoming bus) to get to where you are going. Because you'll sometimes beat the bus in cases that you do walk. Not to mention, frequently stopping buses causes backup for all other traffic on the road, especially during rush hour.

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6:02 AM MST on Tue., May. 27, 2008 re: "To speed service on Metrobus, agency eyes spacing out stops"

Examiner Reader said:
Supervisors seem to be the key in the Metro bus system to everything working properly. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but whenever you hear the word supervisor or see an actual one on a bus, you just get the feeling that someone is paying attention and things will go better than if they were not there. So, MORE SUPERVISORS!

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10:26 AM MST on Thu., May. 15, 2008 re: "Panel OKs steps to upgrade cell phone service in Metro"

hollisterbabe101 said:
hey i like it it really help me with my scicnce homework.... thank you a lot!

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7:15 AM MST on Tue., May. 6, 2008 re: "Metrorail passenger injuries down"

Examiner Reader said:
Take credit Metrom, but thank Mother Nature for a rather ice and snow free winter.

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11:20 AM MST on Thu., May. 1, 2008 re: "Metro urges walkways between stations to help ease congestion"

Brian said:
I am 100% in support of the connectors proposed for Gallery Place to Metro Center and Farragut North to Farragut South. Gallery Place and Farragut North each transition into a madhouse during rush hour, and this would help abate that to some extent. I also think Metro should give some consideration to linking the busier stations by monorail. I know that may seem odd at first thought, but I've seen how Sydney has done so, and there it works very well without interfering with vehicular traffic and the primary subway lines.

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8:27 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "One out of six Metro delays caused by sick passengers"

Examiner Reader said:
I was on the train Friday morning next to the passenger. She was an old lady who just kind of keeled over and was totally unresponsive, but breathing inside the Farrugat North Station on a Southbound Train. No one really knew what was wrong with her and they couldn't get her to stand up so they needed to bring a stretcher in. Not sure what else they could have done in that situation to keep the trains moving. It was definitely scary.

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12:58 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 23, 2008 re: "Ridership still climbs after Metro fare hike"

Examiner Reader said:
Did U.S. agencies' transit subsidy programs (PTIP) cover the increase? I understand some (for example, EPA, Commerce) have, but some (Customs) are dragging their feet? Why so inconsistent? Will the past 3 months be 'made-up'? Is Metro interfering or is each Agency simply independent and needs to get its act in gear (wheels on the tracks!) ?

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7:26 AM MST on Thu., Apr. 17, 2008 re: "Metro operators to open doors manually"

Examiner Reader said:
They had months of notice re Pope mass at national stadium yet could not keep the trains running. The head, Mr. Catoe, has been running the system for a year and service is still unreliable. Time to manually open the door and boot him out. I always supported DC Council Member Gram, but he does not seem up to the job or representing DC on Metro board. Also time for him to go.

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4:16 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 16, 2008 re: "Metro bus schedules to go virtual"

rodney melton said:
This is a Revocation. And each day, it will get better and better, than any other Jurisdiction there is.

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4:14 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 16, 2008 re: "Metro bus schedules to go virtual"

rodney melton said:
This would be good. And help people gain confidence in our Washington DC Public Transportation.

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2:00 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 16, 2008 re: "Metro bus schedules to go virtual"

rodney melton said:
We need transportation

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7:18 AM MST on Thu., Apr. 3, 2008 re: "Metro operators reminded to skip stations to get trains on schedule"

Examiner Reader said:
This isn't just about improving "statistics," its about getting paying passengers to their destination faster. The people who want to get on or off at a skipped stop will be later, but other paying passengers will get to their destination earlier than they otherwise would. The alternative is to make all the stops as usual, with everyone on the train being equally late. Particularly if the stops being skipped are the less heavily used ones, this makes a lot of sense to me. Obviously it would be better not have mechanical problems that get trains behind schedule, but given what metro has to work with at present, this may be less bad than other alternatives.

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6:53 AM MST on Thu., Apr. 3, 2008 re: "Metro operators reminded to skip stations to get trains on schedule"

edgery said:
Let me see if I understand this correctly -- In order to bolster their "on-time" statistics, Metro proposes to by-pass passengers standing at a station and to cause passengers already on a train to have to either double-back or get off one train and wait for another. In other words, Metro will be "on time" but paying passengers will be late. Oh yes, this makes all the sense in the world -- NOT!

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6:42 AM MST on Thu., Apr. 3, 2008 re: "Metro operators reminded to skip stations to get trains on schedule"

Examiner Reader said:
Basically one has to hope and pray that the train they get on is the one that will take them to their destination? That is crazy. If they are late, that shouldn't be the burden of the person taking the metro. They seriously need to rework the whole system and figure out better options.

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8:47 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 2, 2008 re: "District passes tougher penalties for assaulting Metro operators"

Examiner Reader said:
So when will tougher laws be enacted for METRO employees who run red lights and injure/kill innocent pedestrians? If they need tougher laws to protect them, certainly Citizen Joe needs to be protected from them and their driving.

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8:54 PM MST on Mon., Mar. 31, 2008 re: "Rats to warn against eating on Metro"

AxelDC said:
Note to Metro: Despite your food ban, rats already live in the system. They can easily be seen in Metro center, and they don't seem bothered by your obsession with keeping food off the trains. If Boston, Montreal, NY, Paris and London can sell food in their stations and keep their trains clean, why are you so obsessed with banning food yet not keeping the trains any cleaner?

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8:54 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Metro seeks more police as transit crime jumps"

Baltimore Guy said:
On 3/15/08 my wife and I were assaulted at the Galley Place Metro by a group of thugs while we returned from a wedding reception at 10pm. It started by them spitting on us on the escalator and then following us to the platform after we yelled at them to stop. They tried to corner us against the ticket gate but luckily my wife had her ticket ready. When they realized I wasn't easy prey the one thug threatened to shoot us while spitting on us and calling us every name possible. I think we caused a big enough scene defending ourselves that they assumed the cops were called and it was better to leave. The station mgr. ran and hid in his booth!! When I called metro police the next day they said there was nothing I could do and if I really wanted to file a report I'd have to do it in person since it was assault. I expect this in Baltimore NOT in DC! We'll never take metro again!

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7:19 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Classic Metro features disappear as transit system updates style"

Examiner Reader said:
What people pay for when they ride metro is the ability to get on and off the trains, and to get where they are going. Nobody is guaranteed a seat. Nor is it a crime to spend $10 per day for public transportation; if it were, obviously, the jails would be full. You evaluate your transportation options, and pick the one that works for you; if the price for metro is too high, the wait is too long, or there aren't enough seats, you are welcome to use a different mode and free up space for everyone else. Reducing wait times between trains would be wonderful of course, but its not possible on lines that share track, and even on the red line, it would obviously require a lot more trains - so its not clear why the reader also doesn't think metro should spend any money getting new trains. It sounds like she wants to turn the clock back to the 1980s, when there were fewer people. Unfortuantely, that is not an option.

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6:49 AM MST on Tue., Mar. 18, 2008 re: "Classic Metro features disappear as transit system updates style"

Examiner Reader said:
With more seats removed, metro is making room for standing only so that they can pack us like sardines and charge us huge fares. What I pay for is good & prompt service and a seat when I get to and from work and I expect metro to provide that for all it's riders. There is no reason to change the cars they already have. If metor can get their trains to run on time so that they are not over loaded due to delays and also during rush hours reduce the time from 5 min to 3 min between each train that will help. They do not need to spend more money getting new train, flat screen tv's etc. If the announcers can speak with a clear voice and not sound like they are talking with food in their mouths, that will help a great deal. Spending $ 10.00 a day for public transport is a CRIME!!!

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