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SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - Drunks next year may leave the Broadway strip on empty stomachs if city officials move ahead with a suggested ban on early-morning pizza sales in the neighborhood, which some say could curb violence, rowdiness, public drunkenness and littering.
When glassy-eyed revelers emerge from clubs on the North Beach strip at 2 a.m., fights and drunkenness sometimes take over the street, according to city officials. In September 2006, officials announced an increase in police patrols and new rules for party buses in an effort to tackle the problem.
Such a decision could shut down Cable Car Pizza, according to its owner of 10 years.
“We get busy between 12 and 3 in the morning,” Saied Amin told The Examiner. “That’s when we make money.”
Earlier this month, The City’s Planning Commissioners asked staff to consider ordering both of the strip’s pizza parlors to close at 2 a.m. No other stores on the strip sell food past 2 a.m., commissioners were advised, although some restaurants remain open on nearby streets.
Broadway Express Pizza, a few storefronts away from Cable Car Pizza, was recently ordered to shut at 2 a.m., as required by its license. Its owners have asked The City to extend their operating hours past 2 a.m.
Closing the parlors at 2 a.m. or earlier could curb violence and public drunkenness and reduce litter from pizza boxes and plates, Central Station police Capt. James Dudley told commissioners at the meeting. Dudley said earlier club closing times could also help solve problems in the area.
“Cable Car Pizza allows people to congregate up to 3 or 4 o’clock,” Dudley told commissioners. “I’m tasked to manage the crowd, which is sometimes 30, 40 or more people.”
Closing the pizza parlors could cause other problems, the pizza owners and customers said to the commissioners.
“A lot of the people coming out of the clubs, they’ve been drinking — they’re hungry and they want something fast,” Planning Commissioner Michael Antonini said. “We don’t want them going to their cars and driving.”
Dudley’s suggestion contradicted a letter sent to commissioners by Central Station Officer Keith Matthews, who said he has patrolled Broadway for eight years.
“A responsible walk-away pizza place on this end of the Corridor would assist in alleviating the long lines at other nearby eateries,” Matthews wrote in a letter filed with the commission, “and hasten the time it takes to clear the partygoers from the neighborhood.”
Commissioner William Lee said The City should consider ordering other neighborhood eateries to shut no later than 2 a.m.
No votes were cast. A report dealing with the suggestion is expected in late January.
On Broadway on Saturday night, several fights were broken up, three people were arrested for drunkenness and another was arrested for punching out a restaurant’s window, according to police reports.
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Examiner Reader said:
Why not turn San Francisco into a gated-community with security checkpoints for all entering the city? Then we could ostensibly be safe from alcohol/drug abuse, prostitution, street crime, homelessness, drunk frat boys, and out-of-control conventioneers. If one is concerned about the noise related to nightlife, why would you choose to live along the commercial strips in North Beach? There are plenty of quieter neighborhoods in the city and any number of near silent suburbs.
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b.h. said:
the argument really has nothing to do with pizza and everything to do with getting rid of the crowd. obviously the pizza places don't want to close early and it is just as obvious that alcohol is the real problem. the city has police all over, but North Beach is constantly a scene of after-bar brawls. maybe the answer is letting the places stay open with the agreement that the city provides more patrols and the owners provide private security. cuts down on the problem while allowing the city and the private businesses to share the burden.
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Examiner Reader said:
Hey maybe instead of banning the Pizza Shops on Broadway, to stop drunk frat guys from punching each other while they try to get there late night slice, we ban the crack dens and sleazy hotels on Mission street. This way the pimps, drug dealers and crackheads can stop congregating outside my place. I don't just an idea? What to ban? pizza place? crack den? pizza place? crack den? I don't know I can't decide either...
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SFnative said:
Maybe it's just me, but all the times I've been out in the North Beach, I've seen the same thing. Most folks go out, drink a bit, eat a slice, and get home safe. You have a couple of knuckle heads acting like fools and starting fights. It's not too hard to spot them. How about just enforcing the existing laws and arresting people who violate it?
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Examiner Reader said:
Close the bars at midnight. I've seen this done in other cities. It is always other busineses that have to suffer for the abuse of alcohol served in nightclubs.
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Examiner Reader said:
Pizza is hardly the concern here. Let's keep this discussion real and talk about the booze. However, we can be sure the Planning Commission isn't going to ban the money-making booze, are they?
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Examiner Reader said:
If there is home garbage in street garbage cans, get rid of the garbage cans, if people speed on 19 th Ave, double non-existent fines to dissuade them, if there are "too many" cars in the streets of the City, stop people from building parking for them, if mostly repeat criminals commit most of the crime in the City, spend 10 million studying the causes of crime, and if some drunks cause problems before, during or after eating pizza, do not arrest the drunks, but stop the pizza sellers. Let the sober party goers, late night or early morning workers eat cake. It is clear that filthy as the City is, there is more garbage in City Hall than everywhere else.
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reader said:
Raise DUI fines, enforce DUI and red light running laws. The City will make more money, get more dangerous drivers off the road and it will send the message to B&T drunken jerks that their behavior will not be tolerated. Besides, alot of folks who work the night shift, like me, enjoy getting a slice after a long day's work. Folks who work the night shift love being able to spend some money in this town too.
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Ms. Jackson said:
What's with people who crave pizza being either unhealthy fat or unhealthy skinny? Probably has to do with the fact that pizza goes SO well with booze and drugs. I would be happy to advicate keeping the pizza pits open forever if only they were forced to use cyanide as an ingredient, and sell them in Richmond.
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Resident said:
We really need more police patrols. Arrest people causing trouble, people stop causing trouble. Oddly in the castro at 7AM there are cops around. Nothing is going on except coffee drinking. Come 2:30AM when some gangsta wannabe is blasting hip hop at 110db and yelling "bitch get in the car" loud enough to be heard for blocks, there isn't a cop around.
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Chris said:
Yes, the root cause of violence, public rowdiness, and littering is pizza--what a lot of B.S.! This is another example of our crummy city government wasting time and tax money on worthless legislation and rule-making. Perhaps banning ALCOHOL sales would be the answer to some of the above problems, but since we all know that won't happen, the Planning Commission and idiot Board of Supervisors are going to ban late-night pizza sales. If the incompentence of our city officials weren't so very pathetic, it would be hilarious. Of course, the voters ultimately place these clowns into office (or in the case of the Planning Commission, the voters elect the clowns who appoint those clowns to the Commission), which means the voters are really the biggest idiots of all! Try community policing and citing bars instead, and leave pizza ALONE!
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Mark said:
If they banned pizza in Richmond, that guy would be alive.
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Examiner Reader said:
Yeah, let's legislate pizza eating hours? Has San Francisco lost its collective mind?
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Examiner Reader said:
wow!!! this is ridiculous!! banning late night dining...what a city. "world class"? maybe in the 20's. can you imagine such a thing happening in a true world class city...london, ny, tokyo, etc.? never. pathetic. city leaders need to get a grip and start enforcing the law and prosecuting criminals in this town. it starts with cleaning the streets and making the environment not look as if it welcomes crime. punishing establishments like late night dining that actually make this place a city are not to blame.
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Examiner Reader said:
Keep chain stores and ban bars and pizzerias for better neighborhood character in North Beach.
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San Francisco Voter said:
To curb drunken rowdiness, maybe the bars should stop serving intoxicated patrons. I've had some bad pizzas in my day, but none of them ever made me want to throw a punch.
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Examiner Reader said:
Hmmm can we have the home towns of the folks that got arrested this past weekend? How's this - set up a sobriety check point on the bridges - catch the B&T crowd that comes into the city and trashes it and maybe that will solve a problem.
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EH said:
Wait, I thought the Castro and SOMA neighborhoods were the only places where people moved in before complaining about the nightlife that preceded them. Yes, obviously pizza is the problem here. It has nothing to do with Puritan closing times, irrational BART schedules or thin-skinned real estate speculators. Maybe we can enlist the riot police to clear the sidewalks so that we can be sure all the drunk people are available for DUI arrests by 1:55am. Heck, just have gates on the neighborhood like they do on Mt. Diablo that close at a certain time. Then again, maybe the complainers should move to Kentfield and Millbrae like they should have done in the first place.
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Lincoln Navigator said:
The bars and alcohol are the source of the problem. Punish them, not people making non-intoxicating pizza. Close the bars at midnight. Let the pizza makers stay open as long as they want.
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Examiner Reader said:
Official denial? It must be the pizza causing the problem, couldn't be the booze and drugs.
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Empty said:
I just think it's plain wrong to penalize the pizza joints. These are legit businesses with owners trying to make an honest living. Working til 4am in a restaurnt is no fun. There have to better alternatives to preventing disorderly conduct in the streets after the clubs close at 2am.
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Examiner Reader said:
To all those posters that can't figure out the "why" of this...merely relocate and live in a apartment within 5 blocks of these late night activities. It is the same in SOMA along the 11th street coorridor. After 2am it becomes a war zone. Two weeks ago, four people were shot at 11th Street and Mission. Clubs should not be given a free ride and say it is their clients not them... That sounds way too much like the NRA and the US Tobacco companies. The clubs could and should do much more and be responsible neighbors and businesses. They need to fund outside and neighborhood sercurity patrols, and they need to take charge and clean up the mess their clients leave in neighborhoods be it urine, people getting sick on the street, and the zillion postcard advertisements that end up all over the place. By the way those cards have the worse quality ink and it ends up in the wastewater system and then on to the Bay. The City Entertainment Commission is completely one sided with club owners
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Mark said:
I don't understand all this control from government in SF, plastic bags, fireplaces and now pizza? So they get all hopped up on pizza? I don't like pizza but maybe I'll try it, a cheap high. The City’s Planning Commissioners should get a life and then GET BACK TO WORK! What next? Ban eye contact because it starts fights? How about, fire government workers that don't do their jobs?
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Reader said:
I can think of 10,000 other things for city officials to "toss around" than banning late-night pizza, which is clearly NOT the root of the problem in that neighborhood. How come all other Western countries have longer drinking hours and yet, somehow, have far less incidents involving alcohol consumption? The fratboy I-have-to-drink-til-i-can't-see party mentality, coupled with baaaaaaaad supervision of club & bar patrons are the issues here.
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West Coast Liberal said:
When food is outlawed only outlaws will have food. There will be more deaths from DUI motoring. Afew disorderly conduct tickets trumps DOA DUIs. I like the Oregon laws thatrequire ALL bars to serve food if they are allowed to serve booze. The other solution is to quit serving alcohol to drunks(you know the ones that get into fights) which the last time I checked was ILLEGAL. Maybe it's not the fault of pizza parlors but poorly enforced liquor laws and a lack of sane service of North Beach patrons before they stagger out looking for food/fights to soak up the booze sloshing around in their bellies.
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