Unlike investigations of dumpster divers who feed the homeless, there is a very good reason to keep tabs on some of these groups, even if they do happen to lean to the right. A cynic might suggest the reason conservatives want the Feds to turn a blind eye to these groups is that the politicians mostly likely to complain, like Governor Rick Perry of Texas, are the ones purposely stoking their anger to work for them at the polls.
Case and point, long-shot candidate for Georgia governor, secessionist and anti-abortion activist, Neal Horsley. In part I of our interview, he talked of sex with a mule. In part II, he emphatically stated he was willing to kill his own son, if need be, to secede, and that people's lives were "almost irrelevant" when compared to the effort to glorify God.
Believe it or not, it gets worse. The creator of the Nuremberg Files also says that terrorism is sanctioned by the Bible.
In his list of "Aborted Doctors", he refers to the names of the people who killed these doctors as "terrorists". Because his site has been pulled down so many times, he says he copied the list from a pro-choice sight, and claims that he has listed the names, somewhat disingenuously, to show the "victims of legalized abortion." So we ask if he would call their killers terrorists.
"Yeah. I call Paul Hill a terrorist," Horsley says. "The Bible says that ministers of government was given the sword of terror for those who has done wrong. The idea that someone uses terror to enforce the law is a Biblical concept, and I’ve never hesitated calling all people involved in terrorism for anti-abortion causes terrorists." He says those people would object, but it's BS. He's going to use whatever terms allow him to speak the truth.
Is he saying terrorism is sanctioned by the Bible?
He gives an emphatic yes and refers us to Romans 13 that claims gives ministers of government the sword of terror to stop law breakers. "As Paul says, government is not made for righteous people...the law of God is not made for righteous people, it’s made for law breakers." Somehow, I get the feeling that those who deserve the sword of terror are not the "good Christians", but "law breakers" like you and me, who follow the laws of the US, but not the laws of God. "All the people on the Nuremberg list were law breakers. George Bush is on there. If I was consistent, I would put my name up there, because I’m just as much a collaborator with this nation as everybody else is, I’m just contesting it."
This is why he can't merely live among those with whom he disagrees. By living in a nation, and participating in its laws, he is culpable in the murder of the unborn -- to not be culpable, one has to go outside our nation's laws, and abide by God's laws. What makes us all deserving of the sword of terror is that we participate in the nation's laws.
It is a sad commentary on many spiritual things that for 34 years the vast majority of American Christians have united in denying that the USA has become a nation ruled by murderers. As you read the other strategies outlined in this book, you will see incontrovertible evidence proving that the vast majority of Christian “pro-life” leaders still considers the evil of legalized abortion--the evil that the government of the USA has legalized—can be arrested without God’s ministers exercising, as is normally done with murderers, the threat of the sword of terror.
So, does he engage in terror? No, he says. Why?
"I’m running for Governor… I have embodied and entirely different strategy," he says. He claims that the anti-war movement he was part of taught him the limits of violence, and readily admits that he has known most of the people who are in jail now for killing doctors, but insists he argued against their strategies on the grounds of efficacy. He says he prefers keeping a list of names of doctors so they can be tried and executed as we did with the Nazis after the war -- in this case, the civil war that follows him taking control of the government electorally, then seceding. Once there, he will fight the US Army to the death.
Does he consider himself anti-American?
"Absolutely," he says, so unlike many secessionists, he's at least consistent on that point. But God's laws surpass the laws of man, and people's lives are "almost irrelevant" when compared to his Godly mission. Which is why he does not doubt that friends like Paul Hill were led by God to kill doctors. He believes their acts of violence were necessary to demonstrate the limits of that strategy so that he could employ another. So, if he ever concludes that murder of the nearly irrelevant might be good strategy?
"The sword of terror for those who do wrong… to enforce a Biblical law," he says. "The strategy is not I’m going to become Governor. It’s to identify people all over the country," Horsley says, but something similar to what happened in Kansas and Nebraska when slavers and anti-slavers both moved in and occupied the territory and wrote their own constitutions. "That’s what I’m visualizing. And that’s the threat I’m rather gleefully sending to everybody around the world that there is a movement afoot to put together that kind minority who is prepared to go and if necessary die in trying to restore God to His rightful place of authority in the United States of America, and people have to realize the only way to stop it is to kill us. And I admit, that’s an option, but that’s always the way it’s been with Christians. From the beginning of the church, people have tried to kill us, but the more they tried to kill us, somewhat paradoxically, we became more dominant."
Should someone like Horsley not be under the Feds careful watch? In summary: he believes the use of terror to uphold God's laws has scriptural basis. He's anti-American, and is openly calling for armed revolution against our government. And although he no longer finds killing strategically sound, he is ready and willing to "abort", as he would say, his born son.
Does he think his friends now in jail were wrong to kill?
The picture above is of a flag burning to commemorate the anniversary of the day Paul Hill was executed for the murder of a doctor: "Paul Hill continues to live and do his work even though he was executed in the flesh by the people of the United States of America two years ago. Proof that Paul Hill lives can be found in the fact that the abortion mill where Paul Hill killed the abortionist and his bodyguard shut its doors on Saturday, September 3, 2005--two years to the day after he was executed--to avoid the Paul Hill Memorial Flag Warning Ceremony being conducted outside on that day."
Does that sound like a man who condemns Hill's methods? Does that sound like someone who should not be watched by the FBI?
Does it sound like someone people like Rick Perry should be courting with his talk of secession? If talk of murder and terrorism isn't enough, perhaps Perry and his ilk can be convinced by the fact that Horsley burned the American Flag:
And no, I'm sure Perry sees no contradiction in denouncing flag-burners (so long as they are liberal), and calling for secession.
"When an intelligence report suggested the Obama's Presidency and bad economic times were causing a rise in violence from right wing groups"
I am not sure what right wing violence you speak of, I watch or listen to the news most of the day, and have yet to hear about violence anywhere...
That said, this dude is completely nuts. Please do not judge the rest of the conservative movement by an insane wanna be killer (if he hasn't already!)
I am a southern woman, an idependent that leans heavily to the right, and although I am on the fence with the pro-life/pro-choice debate, killing is killing. If a group decides that abortion is killing, they cannot possibly justify taking the life of someone else that is living in order to save the unborn!
Please do not judge the whole barrel of apples by one bad one! I would just as soon slap the face of Jeanene Garofalo, but she is the extreme version of liberal, and granted there are extreme versions of conservatives, as proven by your article. But, the majority of both sides, lie somewhere in the middle...and the middle of both sides are what will eventually pull together and work with eachother for the greater good, as soon as we can get politics and politicians out of our way! I am an eternal optimist!
Enjoyed your article.
As many Georgians have pointed out, they have grown up on farms without even being tempted to have sex with the livestock. I don't doubt them.
On the other hand, the fact that so many prominent GOP politicians and talking heads like Glen Beck so willingly embrace these secessionists does allow me to paint the politicians in the Party with a rather broad brush. After all, I haven't heard any members of the GOP standing up for our nation or condemning talk of civil war.
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"When an intelligence report suggested the Obama's Presidency and bad economic times were causing a rise in violence from right wing groups"
I am not sure what right wing violence you speak of, I watch or listen to the news most of the day, and have yet to hear about violence anywhere...
That said, this dude is completely nuts. Please do not judge the rest of the conservative movement by an insane wanna be killer (if he hasn't already!)
I am a southern woman, an idependent that leans heavily to the right, and although I am on the fence with the pro-life/pro-choice debate, killing is killing. If a group decides that abortion is killing, they cannot possibly justify taking the life of someone else that is living in order to save the unborn!
Please do not judge the whole barrel of apples by one bad one! I would just as soon slap the face of Jeanene Garofalo, but she is the extreme version of liberal, and granted there are extreme versions of conservatives, as proven by your article. But, the majority of both sides, lie somewhere in the middle...and the middle of both sides are what will eventually pull together and work with eachother for the greater good, as soon as we can get politics and politicians out of our way! I am an eternal optimist!
Enjoyed your article.
As many Georgians have pointed out, they have grown up on farms without even being tempted to have sex with the livestock. I don't doubt them.
On the other hand, the fact that so many prominent GOP politicians and talking heads like Glen Beck so willingly embrace these secessionists does allow me to paint the politicians in the Party with a rather broad brush. After all, I haven't heard any members of the GOP standing up for our nation or condemning talk of civil war.
Luann, you might want to dig around here:
splcenter(dot)org
Horsley is a very terrifying and disturbing individual--great depiction of his bizarre upbringing and current militant plans.
Dylan, excellent piece! As a thank you, I'll have you know your "me" link over there prepends examiner.com onto wikipedia:
examiner.com slash en.wikipedia.org slash wiki/Dylan_Otto_Krider
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OK you have 5 minutes to publish all of wikipedia under examiner.com. Go!
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