Along with the introduction of what appears to be the most valid-looking Obama birth certificate came an almost immediate attempt to debunk it. This attempt was immediately eaten up by MSNBC, Obama’s main propaganda network, by hosts like Keith Olbermann.
The main argument of this attempt to debunk the certificate is that Kenya hadn’t yet become a republic at the time the document was dated: Feb 14, 1964. The argument is that Kenya was officially declared a republic in December of that year.
The second most important argument is that the region he was born in wasn’t called Mombasa at the time: it was instead Zanzibar.
Another argument is that the hospital he was supposedly born in was called “Coast Provincial General Hospital,” yet the document says “Coast General Hospital.”
One more argument is that his father’s address has within it “Nyanza Province,” but at the time it would have been called “Central Nyanza District.”
The final argument is that his father would have been 24 or 25 at the time, not 26, as the document states.
There are other suspicious, circumstantial arguments, too.
The document number is said to be 47O44, seemingly a compilation of his age as of the time the document was obtained “47,” his presidential order “44,” and an O for Obama.
Also, the Signature of the Registrar’s name is E.F. Lavender, an abbreviation of a name of detergent called “Earth Friendly Lavender.”
At first look, this seems like a lot of evidence that the document is a forgery. That is, until we actually take the time to dissect these claims.
Kenya was first announced as the “Republic of Kenya” in the country’s Constitution, dated Dec. 12, 1963. It is claimed that everything wasn’t official with the name change until Dec. 1964, which is true; however, it took a year to make this gradual change. It didn’t happen in one day. "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state…" The 1964 date that people are confusing involves an act of the British Parliament in regard to the Commonwealth of Nations, not the origin of the Republic.
The “Central Nyanza District” argument is just total hogwash. The area changed names to “Nyanza Province” even before his dad was born there.
The absence of “Provincial” in the hospital’s name is irrelevant. You can find it named with and without that word in its title from multiple sources.
Mombasa became part of Kenya in 1963, so having the document obtained in 1964 would require a name change of his place of origin from Zanzibar to Mombasa.
Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Aug., 1961. Barack Obama, Sr.’s birthday is more obscure. It is said he was born in 1936, but no specific date is given. If this is true, it would make him 25. As the actual date is obscure, it doesn’t appear to be a huge dilemma that he may have been born instead in 1935. In addition, birth certificates aren’t necessary for the creation of new ones. Am I off-base to think Barack Jr. may have learned his trick of birth secrecy from someone?
Well that sums up the important arguments. Now for the circumstantial ones.
I don’t really even understand what is funny about having “E. F. Lavender” as a Registrar. Couldn’t a forger have come up with a funnier name? What does a dish detergent have to do with any of this? Do people think no one is named E.F. Lavender? Here’s a picture of Eric Lavender in Uganda, which neighbors Kenya. Maybe this is the guy? One guy even told me he saw Registrar Lavender’s plaque in the Registrar’s office. I guess I don’t even understand why people consider this an issue. If I were forging the document, I’d rather put a funnier, more relevant name in that slot, like B. M. Helfmovment.
The only interesting thing about the birth certificate to me is the file number, but even this has been fudged slightly. It is said that the number is “47O44” from propaganda issuers like Keith Olbermann. There is no O in the number, it’s a 0. That’s zero if you still can’t tell the difference. I admit the other numbers are coincidental, but I think it is far too assumptive to mean they discredit anything. I know I’ve had much bigger coincidences happen in my life.
The goal of this article is not to say that the birth certificate is 100% authentic. It may be a hoax. The goal of the article is to show that the Obama sheeple are clinging to debunking propaganda, which for all we know may have been initiated by the Obama campaign itself, in order to try to maintain the idea that their leader is innocent. We don’t know if it’s legitimate, yet. But right now, the birth certificate has not been properly debunked. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. Taitz’s court date is set for December. Other lawyers from across the country are on top of many of the other issues regarding the birth certificate problem.
Many sheeple have been questioning why the birthers have been claiming that this might be real when it is a copy and not the original, like the Hawaiian one birthers want to see. The reason is that this is a copy of an actual registration. The Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth isn’t a copy of a real birth certificate. They could be obtained by citizens who weren’t naturally born. Obama’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Indonesia. No one disputes this. Guess what? She has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth, too. How can this be? Hawaiian law didn’t require people to be natural born citizens, born in Hawaii, in order to obtain one. Therefore, Obama hasn’t showed anything resembling proof of his citizenship. This is why this birther thing is still an issue! How can it be solved? All that is required to put all of this to rest is for Obama to give Hawaii permission, in his presidential capacity, to show people the long-form certificate. It’s that simple to resolve. So, why all the secrecy?
How did it all start? It started when Obama was caught using fake birth certificates with aliases like Barry Soetoro and Barry Dunham, which caused people to question who he was. There is also evidence that he never legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama. If this is found true, Obama may be guilty of several counts of fraud!
The birther issue is not about race. It’s about the law. Birthers do have motivation, but it is generally rooted in politics, not race. This is not to say that some aren’t racist, but it is just pure ignorance to claim that all of them are. My motivation, for example, is that I don’t like Obama’s communist ideals. I’m a libertarian. Right-wingers like the idea of freedom and limited government. We aren’t nuts or racist because of this. I personally believe that, if left unchecked, the Obama administration would destroy many of the last vestiges of freedom in this country. To me, he is like Bush, but worse. Just look at what he’s doing in Afghanistan. This is an acceleration of Bush’s failed policies! Why can’t people see past Olbermann and MSNBC’s lies and see what’s right in front of them?
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Comments
Are you guys SERIOUS???
I am a Kenyan and I have been following this surreal quest to "prove" that Obama was born in Kenya completely dumbfounded.
Kenyans would WISH that Obama was born in our country. But we are literate enough about the BASIC FACTS of our country's history to know where Barack Obama Senior was when the 44th President of the USA was born. He was certainly NOT in "Mumbasa" as some of you refer to our coastal town. Where are you trying to go with this?
Onyango Oloo
I can make up fake Kenyan names and put pro-Obama junk on websites, too.
Geoff,
I also being a libertarian am offended by those who call this inquiry a right wing nut job.
We all want the truth; however after January 20th it became too late. Why? Can you imagine the embarrassment to the US around the world if it can't get even something as simple as checking a person's birth certificate right? What would that say about our national security? This story will be KILLED at all cost.
Side note, since when did FactCheck.Org become the countries truth teller? Who funds the website and who do they work for? Where is the FBI in all of this madness?
Onyango Oloo,
Nice Kenyan name there. Do they speak or teach English there in Kenya? Yours seems pretty good for a foreign national. Being from Kenya, did you go to the same school Barry did while he was living there?
Geoff you're embarrassing your Country with this nonsense.
awclewis,
You asked you funds factcheck.org. After you pass by all of the middle men, the ultimate owner of the website is globalist George Soros, who is a major supporter of Obama's socialist/communist changes to America. He is a notorious contributer to the Obama propaganda machine.
Good one Geoff,
the debunkers seem to forget that the lawyer wants the certificate validaded, and not the graphics that are on the net. The Aussie story is bullshit, there is no way that Certificate could have been used to make the one Orly Taitz wants to have certified. For example look at the word "No" at the top (for #). On both documents it is an entirely different font for the N character, etc etc. The fact that ABC abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2646009.htm basically makes the owner claim it is a copy of his, makes clear how Australian authorities, infatuated with O as they are, are doing the US administration a favour. There is no way he can substantiate such a claim only from the graphics circulating on the web. I am not a US citizen and I don't have any beef with Obama, but this whole story stinks. If it is a hoax then the court will establish that. That's all the lawyer wants. How can anybody, left or right, have any problem with that?
Geoff, how about the fact that the birth certificate isn't even based on a template used by any ANY Kenyan state authority.
Or, how about the fact that they've managed to trace down the original document which was used as the template... they tracked it down to Australia where the surnames of the officials on the document were identical.
Now Dan, be honest, the document is of a standard template used at that time by many countries which had been part of the British Empire, such as Australia and Kenya. The other document you are referring to shows that there was a registrar called Lavender working in Australia in 1959 and another one in Kenya in 1964. Given the way the ex-colonies operated at the time, they could be the same man. Anyway, wasn't Lavender supposed to be a detergent yesterday?
Thank you Jeff for a fact-based article that addresses an important issue.
Would you please explain why the so-called "Kenyan" certificate is designed and contains entries from an Australian man's genuine certificate that he posted for his family?
To awclewis:
English and Kiswahili are the two official languages of Kenya. Fluency in the Queen's English is required in order to graduate from high school. I have a close friend from Uganda (Since you probably do not know this, Uganda is the country immediately to the west of Kenya), and several aquatenances from Kenya. Their English is flawless; so much better than the garbled crap that passes for English in this country. We need to recruit English teachers from countries like Kenya and require fluency in English in order to graduate from high school.
To Linsley:
You are a dumb MF. You have added the government of Australia to your birther list of conspirators for Obama. Your list will soon be approaching 1,000,000,000 people picking on you poor abused birthers. Where is my crying towel? This conspiracy nonsense is in the same category as the Nazi propaganda garbage that the Jews were conspiring against Germany and had caused all of its problems.
We just tryin to expose a poser .no big thing when there is eveidence,Ihave noticed they are really reaching on this ,they are starting to sound like some "Birthers"I know?lol,nice try and keep hose tinhats ready,The sun will be hot tomorrow.Your just upset because the Kenyan BC has more information than the C.O.L.B. that Obama is ciccurlating.Fyi Every news paper in Kenya,and Ghana,and the people say itand have printed it in their papers.but like the Sara Obama recording she says out right that she was "PRESENT when he was borned? and it was the translator who tried to say he wasn't borned in kenya? When the truth comes out and it will,because lies will be discovered sooner or later?
Cymraeg,
Great... I love this. Now you have gone from Onyango (direct from Kenya) to Cymraeg with a "close friend" from Uganda. Any other names you want to use here?
Every attempt within the president's power will be used to KILL this story and play it off as some big conspiracy.
How easy is it for the US government to create a new identity for anyone entering the witness protection program including all documentation necessary to back up the new identity including fake birth certificates. Is it not reasonable to believe that the US government pedals in propaganda and disinformation constantly? Can you say… WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and AXIS OF EVIL?
Don't try to discredit my beliefs by using a close friend from Uganda. I'm not the one who sealed all my personal records. Since the POTUS is not speaking directly on the issue, please give just one logical reason for him doing this?
What a load of crap. Why cant anyone determine where his mother was on his date of birth...it's on her passport no? Aren't there any hospital photos? Even if he was born in Kenya no right minded person (and his father was an important guy) would do it in Nyanza in those days, they'd go to a real hospital in Nairobi.
There appears to be a problem with the web edition of this article. Obviously, it needs to be accompanied by another (i.e. known to be genuine) Kenyan birth certificate from the same date (or even the same month) from the "Republic of Kenya". However, the image is missing. Should I contact Mr. Linsley directly, or is there a contact point for the Examiner's Web guru I can use?
What about the very similar (with identical book and page numbers) Australian certificate, with a Lavender with different initials?
The Author of this article made a gross error. The constitution he links to and claims to be a 1963 constitution, is actually a 1998 one!!! Click on his link in the article, click table of contents. At the bottom it clearly says that this constitution is the: Revised Edition (1998) 1992.
The 1963 constitution is available online and it does not refer to Kenya as a republic anywhere in it, because it isn't one it is a constitutional MONARCHY! The constitution details that the queen of england is the head of state, she can nominate the commander in chief and governor general at will... it has "her majesty" all over it. There is no president on Dec 12th 1963, there isn't one until it became a republic on dec 12th 1964.
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ARTICLE DEBUNKED
Part of the British Parliamentary debate just before Kenyan independence:
I should like my right hon. Friend, if he feels he can, to take up the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice about the decision of Kenya to remain a monarchy. Going, as it were, from Dominion status to republican status within at the most three years, and in some cases now with an interval of only a year, is an extraordinarily unsatisfactory process. I think it unsatisfactory for a number of reasons. People are now genuinely becoming confused about whether if a country remains a monarchy in the Commonwealth it is in fact a fully independent country.
Australian man's genuine certificate - forgery. In Date of Birth column number 10 has different font for digit "1" compare to other digits "1" used in document(forgery). It just can not be like that. Number 1 should look like and small "L" (l)
Geoff Lindsey is a tool!
Well written. Good job. Also check out the AXJ thread, with 30,000 readers they claim to have the biggest thread on the subject on the internet. www.axjus.com
The quest is not for truth, the quest is for a justification of hate.
examiner.com/x-4383-Portland-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m8d4-Orly-Taitz-Obama-birth-certificate-fraud
awclewis says:
Geoff,
I also being a libertarian am offended by those who call this inquiry a right wing nut job.
We all want the truth; however after January 20th it became too late. Why? Can you imagine the embarrassment to the US around the world if it can't get even something as simple as checking a person's birth certificate right? What would that say about our national security? This story will be KILLED at all cost.
Side note, since when did FactCheck.Org become the countries truth teller? Who funds the website and who do they work for? Where is the FBI in all of this madness?
Best comment yet. Why would the US Government go to this extreme to try to cover up what is fact and everybody knows. OBAMA was not born in HAWAII since no hospital has publicly acknowleged it. Just read the history of his family posted on the AXJ forums. A little rich kid from a rich Kenyan family which perhaps married a hippy white girl. Even her death may be a farce? US Gov has been known
I am assuming you were laughing to yourself when you wrote this has nothing to do with race. Why do you care anyway? Ron Paul's an anarchist who wants to secede from the Union.
In 1961 it would have cost thousands of dollars (in todays dollars) to fly to Kenya. Two round trip tickets, in todays dollars, might have exceeded $10,000. The odds two poor college students, one about to have a child, would take the health risks to do that is pretty close to zero. And then a grandparent breaks the law to get a US birth certificate by declaration? Also unlikely. Maybe it's true. Maybe Obama was born on Mars too.
I love how when this stuff comes out, everyone is suddenly an expert...if some crackpot right-wing birther hobbyists can discover so much about this issue, why would the people who actually know the law (lawyers, etc.) keep quiet for years as this man became Illinois senator and US senator, and finally when he became candidate for the presidency?
Oh yeah, I forgot, they were all paid off by the FBI, CIA, and unknown others who "knew" he was going to be president.
The wingnuts are totally unhinged, people!
Everyone who believes obama is not a citizen and somehow fooled the country needs to accept this assertion.
If Obama was born outside of the United States and is an "illegal alien" the following statement is irrefutable.
A Republican president with a Republican congress in 2004 allowed THE BIGGEST NATIONAL SECURITY FAILURE OF ALL TIME to happen under their watch--An illegal alien was elected to US senate without the slightes hitch. And now, four to five years later, only right wing media, not CIA, FBI, NSA or Homeland security could figure it out.
So Mr. Linsley if you agree that Obama's election is due to a massive national security failure by Republicans, keep writing. But in the meantime learn how to argue your point better because this was particuraly weak.
From the CIA World Factbook on kenya:
"Constitution: 12 December 1963; amended as a republic 1964; reissued with amendments 1979, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1997, 2001; note - a new draft constitution was defeated by popular referendum in 2005."
So maybe the CIA is in on the conspiracy, too?
The Keyan B/C is a meaningless issue. Obama's hidden records and natural born citizenship are legitimate issues.
It's no surprise that Hillary Clinton just went to Kenya to reinforce the cover-up.
I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,
"I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file."
That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States.
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!
To Linsley:
I agree with what you have said in your report. But under the QUALIFICATIONS TO BE PRESIDENT, the person must have been born to someone WHO WAS AGE 21 OR OLDER; 2 parents with both CITIZENS of U. S. to be 'natural-born citizen'; 1 parent (if not married) a CITIZEN of U. S.. All these have to be living on the MAINLAND of U. S. according to the law from 1952 to 1986, if you were born in this time period.
Geoff:
Thanks for this. How do we explain the contemporaneous birth announcements from two Honolulu papers from August 1961? I just can't see how that could be accomplished, and have not seen anyone undermine that evidence.
From: JB
To: Patrick Bellringer
" I have a background in Constitutional Law research ... Everyone claiming to have proof that he was born in Kenya doesn't realize that it doesn't matter where he was born.
The original Constitution signed by our founding fathers is not the one the present administration is using. Everyone reading your site should know by now that a PRIVATE CORPORATION was formed in 1871 in Washington D.C. for the purpose of carrying out the business functions of the government...
Everyone must understand that in bankruptcy, which our country is in, the laws of Commerce (UCC - Admiralty) prevail and become the SUPREME law of the land.
FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: J. B.
Thank you... You are quite correct in your thinking concerning our "Corporate" president.
Obama ran a fake election to fool the people, allowing the citizen debtors to vote, when in fact he was elected by the Corporation Board of Directors and stockholders...."
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Who gives a darn where he came from as long as he gets the job done! Stop your whining and temper tantrum, the dude was born in the US. Microfiche DOES NOT LIE! Only brain dead, knuckle dragging conservatives!
Linsley isn't a tool - he has one - about 2 inches long, hence his conservative mindset.
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Geoff,
What happened to all the original comments here?
Ummmm...The Australian Birth Certificate upon which this one was forged off of was found. Case closed. I'm also amazed that the author so easily dismisses the 44047 thing. coin I could spend my time debunking this debunking of a debunking, but nothing will satisfy the birthers. This is simply hogwash, much like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Every birther out there needs to read the recent Salon.com birther FAQ article.
If Geoff Linsley wants to be a sycophant for the Orwellian reacto-wacko Orly Taitz, who's Kenyan Birth Certificate has now been dissed by prominent people in the birther movement, he should read this:
www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/04/australia_certificate/
"Now, even some of the most dedicated Birther supporters, like World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah, are pulling back and proclaiming their skepticism about the forgery. Farah, whose site published the forged certificate and gave it the boost into the Web at large, wrote in a column Tuesday, "if I had to bet on its authenticity, I would wager it is not."
So then how was it possible to get a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper in 1961? And was this Hawaii law which allowed people not born in Hawaii to obtain a birth certificate part of law in 1961 also?
The Administration is out in full force debunking this story. How many bloggers do they have on the payroll trying to discredit and ridicule those who ask any questions? This is a huge embarrassment to the US and its national security and will KILL this story at all cost.
HT says "So then how was it possible to get a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper in 1961? And was this Hawaii law which allowed people not born in Hawaii to obtain a birth certificate part of law in 1961 also?"
Since when do newspapers become the 'source' for validation of birth announcements? I am sure that I could get a birth announcement put in a dozen papers tomorrow if I made the effort. The 'source' of validation is the government and the birthing doctor - neither of which Oboma has come forth with.
"So then how was it possible to get a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper in 1961?"
Ever hear of the Witness Protection Program? How can the US government create any and all documents necessary for these folks? Wait… there is no such thing as the WPP that’s just wing-nut talk.
Wait… two men in black suits just showed up at my door. Let me go see what these folks want.
HT
I was born in Louisiana. The day after I was born my birth announcement appeared in three different Indiana newspapers. They even announced it as a local birth. My grandmothers and an Aunt called the announcements in to the local papers there. It was announced as a local birth because my father was only on a temporary assignment in Louisiana and my parents actually lived in Indiana. The birth announcements prove nothing.
Regardless of whether the Kenyan birth certificate is a forgery or not, it lays the foundation to request discovery on Obama's documents in a court of law to prove whether or not he is Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS. That is what Taitz is using the document for.
It is high time Obama released his records. These are the same records any person would have to release in order to get a job anywhere in the US. I will be very interested in seeing what he has been trying so hard, and paying so much money, to hide.
"How many bloggers do they have on the payroll trying to discredit and ridicule those who ask any questions?"
How many anonymous and COWARDLY BIRTHER LIARS are making ever more stupid LIES is the Real Question.
John Bryans Fontaine. Check. Added the funded debunker list.
I want a MSM statement from the FBI and the Attorney General stating that they have verified the document as fake, not real. I want this story to die. It effects our national security.
"Mombasa became part of Kenya in 1963, so having the document obtained in 1964 would require a name change of his place of origin from Zanzibar to Mombasa."
But it isn't just a difference of a name. It is a different country. See the problem?
So if even the extreme right-wing World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah is leaning towards discrediting the Kenyan BC, that makes Farah is paid agent of Obama.
It's more likely that Taitz is a Russian agent. Hey, wait a minute....
I was born in Kenya and my birth certificate doesn't look anything like that. It doesn't have a line through it and all the details are laid out in a horizontal format. The birth certificate format has never changed and it is a govt document.
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