California's agriculture industry is facing a potential meltdown due to radicalized environmentalists who have made it clear a three inch fish is to take precedent over people.
What the environmentalists (especially the "whackos" in the movement) are doing could actually end up backfiring in their faces. It's estimated that over 24 Million California residents in 3 major areas (Silicon Valley, Central Valley/Fresno and Los Angeles) will be "shut off" from our state's water system and on top of that, we're only getting 10% of the water allotment for Agriculture, which means were going to export far less food to other states and countries, which will then cost jobs at Supermarkets, Trucking and other ancillary businesses that rely upon this water and Fresno/Clovis CA's Ag goods which rely upon this water.
But hey, what does millions of job losses factor on the overall health of the economy. This point was brought up to some extent in a recent interview I did with the Former Mayor/Current City Councilman of the City of Clovis, CA.
Accorrding to to him, its the base industry for Fresno/Clovis and that "we need to think of the dollars and cents that are in this situation" while Mario Santoyo of the California Latino Water Coalition, who I talked to also, said "if California's agricultural breadbasket in the Central Valley continues to abide by a Federal Judge's ruling, it will only be a matter of time before the price of ag goods will skyrocket, we'll probably have to further import and thus enrich a Communist China which has taken entire sectors of the US economy or the nation will become such a starving country that we will literally be storming the White House and forcing the Washington DC politicians to vastly reform the ESA, or Endangered Species Act."
Regardless of what we do to "save endangered species", it won't (and has proven before) that it can not work because irrespective of our behavior as humans, around 25 will go extinct everyday. It's a fruit less fight, certainly we want our wild spaces to stay natural, but there is no way that humans should be starved of water while fish get to "spawn in the sun". Lets just stop interfering with the course of nature in general by not allow them to thrive at our expense.
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This is very misleading:
1) The amount of water allocated depends on many factors. Some farmers are getting 10% while nearby farmers get 100%. It mostly comes down to whether a farmer has actual property rights or gets water through contract.
2) Lester Snow, director of the Cal Dept. of Water Resources has been quoted saying that Judge Wanger's delta smelt ruling is responsible for about 5% of the pump decreases. The rest is due to the drought and salinity restrictions tied to the water rights for the state and federal projects that pump water from the Delta. The pumps already pump water laden with salts. Increasing the volume would further degrade the water quality and hasten ruining much of the San Joaquin Valley land currently fallow (their land has high groundwater and saline soil) -- a fact notably absent in this and other arguments against the delta smelt ruling and advocating turning the pumps on full bore. See: aquafornia.com/archives/13578
This article is not misleading as the previous poster put up. It's obvious he comes from the fish over humans side and even if his facts were correct, no water should be taken from a state with 35 million people. Keep in mind - Nevada where I'm from and AZ also rely upon Colorado River water and other mutual sources as California too, plus we can't grow much in our deserts and thus rely upon CA to have a very strong Ag Industry. People should ALWAYS take priority over all other creatures when the we and them both have a battle over resources, especially one as crucial as water.
dbfb - you're leftist propaganda isn't even flying the left wing in CA. When you have Latino Democrats, White Republicans, etc. complaing about this, you have no argument, so enjoy the mass destruction that radical environMENTALISTS will heap on CA. The Endangered Species Act has GONE WAY too FAR, and every one except for the radicalized tree hugger types accept this. There is nothing inaccurate by this. In fact, if you want to qoute Fed Judge Wanger, even he said this was a disaster but he had to follow the law, and that he agrees with the folks that want to have their water but had no choice but to rule this way so that the fish can spawn at will. In is ruling he said this fish should NOT take precedent over humans and that the US Govt should be lobbied to amend the ESA.
So pray at the alter of this fish and your BS facts, and when you starve of water and food, don't blame those of us with common sense!
We have beeen restricting farm water for almost 20 years now. The fish are in worse shape. I don't see how continuing on with this nonsense of farm water restrictions will make a difference. There are many factors in the demise of the fish habitat. Environmentalist for some reason only cocentrate taking water away from from farms. Seems to benefit no one not even the fish.
3) Residential water will not be shut off. Meters will be installed and economic incentives and penalties will be given to get us to further improve water efficiency. Since landscaping uses about 60% of municipal water, some areas are likely to restrict landscaping water use, pay people to rip out water guzzling lawns, or follow suit with Nevada and Arizona and ban lawns altogether in certain areas.
Jeff: I'm not one of those leftist tree huggers. I'm just pointing out that this article is misleading. Yes, Wanger's ESA ruling is responsible for water cut backs but it is barely 5% responsible for the decreased water allocations (according to the state department affected), not all of San Joaquin Valley agriculture is getting 10% water allocations, and residential water will not be shut off. The fear mongering and spreading of factually incorrect and misleading information is damaging to any dialog that will occur. As George Skelton said in a column in this weekend's LA Times, this issue is not partisan, it is about North versus South. www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap16-2009nov16,0,2900641.column
Dave: I agree. There are a lot of reasons for the demise of the delta smelt and other Delta fish. The pumps are but one reason among many but some environmentalists have tunnel vision and ignore all other factors such as Sacto's ammonia discharges.
This column is really terrible and deceptive. "millions of job losses" is BS. Even the most aggressive estimate says 21,000 losses (can't include link b/c of spam paranoid software here). Jeff Crow may be "is an expert in print journalism, TV and other forms of broadcasting," but he has no clue about this topic.
David at aguanomics
Zetland-dfb - you can point to your far left wing propaganda all you want, but the fact is, 3 REGIONS of CA (LA, Silicon and CV) will get hard by this and MILLIONS OF JOBS WILL BE LOST, even Judge Wanger said so.
Now some Republicans will like that many undocumented workers and low wage workers will lose their jobs, but this also will RIPPLE to EVERY GROCERY STORE in the nation (being that 70% of CA's ag imports go to other states), which will shut down trucking, processing the foods, intercontinental shipping jobs, dock workers from the lONG Shoreman's Union here and in worldwide will also lose jobs so don't tell this Jeff guy your BS and expect it won't smell...you guys are radical leftists, probably SF style. You guys can destroy the local enconomies but not ours and we all will fight your radical BS even if it takes running your tails out of California by force.
If you want to starve us, well run you to liars out of here...you can guarantee that!
I like this quote from the author, " Lets just stop interfering with the course of nature in general by not allow them to thrive at our expense." Agreed, we should let nature take its course.
We should remove all man-made dams, get rid of all man-made levees, remove all water intakes, etc etc. This will allow nature to take its course. Idiot, he is arguing his own arguement.
this article is really terrible. Factually wrong, obviously biased, and to top it all off so poorly written. It is sad that this even was even published. Really Examiner? I know the news media industry is being hit hard with the competition through the internet. But can't you at least hire a high school graduate?
This is why the examiner's new model of letting ANYONE write an article is flawed. Now nutjobs like Jeff Crow get their own sounding board without having any journalistic integrity. The Editors need to rethink their decision.
Richard: My sources are all public and reliable. Although it sounds improbable, many farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are getting their full allocations (Friant, class 1: 100%; S.J. River Exchange Contractors: 100%). It just happens that Westlands, the biggest and wealthiest irrigation district (900 farmers averaging 1000 acres) has no water rights and is being hung out to dry. Open the document "Water Allocations (Historical)" on this page for info about CVP distributions: www.usbr.gov/mp/cvo/
Jeff provides no data or analysis to back up his assertions. The academics who study this stuff are not even estimating 50,000 jobs will be lost. Example: "In this revision ... to their original study, Howitt et al. ... estimate 21,000 total job losses, with 16,000 from drought and 5,000 from pumping restrictions.” aguanomics.com/2009/10/water-related-ag-job-losses-much-lower.html
I would label David a libertarian economist, not a leftist. His bio is on his web site.
From DWR report on the drought: "A collaborative economic impact modeling effort between the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA), University of California at Davis, and DWR has estimated income and employment impacts from water shortages to irrigated agriculture in the Central Valley based on the current forecasted water project deliveries and estimates of local surface and groundwater water supply availability....
The associated total employment loss is estimated to be between 16,200 and 23,700 full-time equivalent jobs, with the majority of jobs lost in the lowest paying categories."
www.water.ca.gov/news/newsreleases/2009/040209droughtrpt-gov.pdf
Richard: All of this information, historical data, and more is readily available and easily accessible online. If you feel this is propaganda, then feel free to refute it and point out the flaws in data collection and analysis. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
Salinity in the Delta is a huge, huge problem. You can see how big it is based on the water rights permits granted by the State Water Resources Control Board to the project and by how much DWR and BoR focus on it in reports and how strongly they are pushing for the Peripheral Canal. See: baydeltaoffice.water.ca.gov/ndelta/summaryreport/index.cfm
In addition, Westlands acknowledges salinity is a problem: www.westlandswater.org/wwd/drainage/overview.asp
It also should be noted that folks who rely on the State Water Project (as opposed to the Central Valley Project) for water, such as farmers in Kern and Metropolitan Water District (serving most of SoCal) got 40% of their allocations in 2009 www.water.ca.gov/swpao/notice
I like this quote from the author, " Lets just stop interfering with the course of nature in general by not allow them to thrive at our expense." Agreed, we should let nature take its course.
We should remove all man-made dams, get rid of all man-made levees, remove all water intakes, etc etc. This will allow nature to take its course. Idiot, he is arguing his own arguement.
this article is really terrible. Factually wrong, obviously biased, and to top it all off so poorly written. It is sad that this even was even published. Really Examiner? I know the news media industry is being hit hard with the competition through the internet. But can't you at least hire a high school graduate?
I like that Jeff Crow fabricated "Richard Farris" to make it look like he had some support. Jeff, when you make up imaginary people, they shouldn't have the exact same writing style and capitalization patterns as you.
Oh, and this article is terrible. Others have pointed out its flaws eloquently, so I won't say more than that.
Terrible.
All of you leftists can YAPP all you want, but once your water supply is shut down, don't cry, cause your moronic environMENTALISTS attitudes to save a stinking fish vs. humans is going to cause imported foods (and we've already seen what Communist China puts in their toys they ship to Wal-Mart), prices will go up due to increased shipping costs, there will be massive job losses not just in the farming industry, but others as well like trucking, supermarkets, food packing and packaging.
You well intentioned "people" are signing your death warrants. I spoke with EXPERTS on the issue and even getting a partial allotment of water isn't smart in our state.
You people are just so nievely unintelligent that you actually believe a fish is more important than EVEN YOURSELVES. CA passed a law similar to cap and trade and estimated only 100,000 lost jobs and it has thus far lost us over 300,000. I can't believe that you people would even consider losing jobs in a bad economy...kamikazes!
Jeff: Why do you insist on calling people names and throwing out insults instead of backing up your assertions with logical analysis and data?
Real journalists back up their assertions. Who are these experts, what are their qualifications, and what do they really say? Where do you get 300,000 jobs lost in California due to a cap and trade program? Which cap and trade program? Greenhouse gases? Why do you insist on a narrow, one-sided report that is devoid of facts, data, or named experts to support your assertions?
You have yet to back up your assertions. Your failure to back up your assertions means this report you pawn as news is nothing more than hollow propaganda that supports some pet idealogical bent or cause, or perhaps in some pay-for-play scheme. In other words, you are practicing fake journalism if you refuse to back up your assertions.
Regardless, I've already provided info to show your assertions are baseless. Sunlight is the best disinfectant
Jeff: I almost forgot, I suggest you start by interviewing Lester Snow or other officials in the California Department of Water Resources and officials in the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Central Valley Project office in Sacramento. Those would be experts in this field, who can provide information about the pumps and how much of the decreased pump levels are due to the delta smelt ruling, salinity restrictions, and drought. You can also arm yourself with data and info from their web sites (there is a lot there) ahead of time. I doubt you'll get a leftist response from either. You can even interview folks from UC Davis about their respective fields, or a water economist like Howitt at UC Davis or (gasp) David Zetland. Joe Sax, professor at Boalt/Berkeley is an expert on water law.
Did anyone mention that those farmers have JUNIOR water rights? Meaning they get cut during a drought. HELLO!?! Those farmers are perfectly aware of this and complaining despite this.
Hey dfb - you're forgetting about the fact that over 24 million CA residents will ALSO go with out water...arguing with left wing idiots only makes a libertarian-Constitutionalist look like an idiot to. So react with all the left wing BS you'd like, but I have no need to have any concern about your comments. The CA Latino Water Coalition (filled with Democrats from the Central and LA) are on the side of right wing Republicans. You guys are worthless in terms of wasting my time. So go ahead and write you propanda leftist destrution of CA's Ag industry and the general water supply of water for residents too. And many cities already have water meters, etc, so that won't work either. The left is bent on the destruction of our jobs, livelihoods, and America in general, we all know this. Just wait until 2010 when take over Congress because of your worshipping of Obama, aka "The Obama Cult" along with the leftist closed minded mentality.
Jeff: I have at least backed up my assertions. You, on the other hand, have refused to back up your assertions. Rather, you insist on calling names and closing yourself off the the fact that you are wrong. You also refuse to acknowledge to yourself or publicly on this board that this is a North v. South issue even more than it is about environmentalism or is partisan, along a worthless left v. right spectrum (nothing is linear).
As one of the 2/3's of Californians reliant on Delta water (MWD), no I have not forgotten nor have I left us out of the arguments. We will not have our water shut off. Any suggestion to that effect is bogus and has no basis in fact or practice. Your argument also ignores the political power city folk have over the farmers and the Central Valley and other farmers who have sold their water to L.A. and other cities for quick profit rather than plant. MWD got 40% of its allocation this year and has purchased more water from farmers.
Jeff: My issue with your opinion column is that it is intentionally misleading, misses and misstates facts, and conveniently fails to back up the assertions made. Namely, you fail to back up your assertion that millions of people will will lose jobs. The most aggressive estimates do not top 25,000 jobs lost due to pump cutbacks. Second, you fail to address the fact that only a small number of farmers are getting 10% of their allocations and further fail to address why. Those farmers do not have actual property rights to water, rather their allocations come from contract with the Bureau of Reclamation. Many farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are getting 100% of their allocation. Third, you are overestimating the impact of the delta smelt ruling. As both the Bureau of Reclamation and State Department of Water Resources have stated, the drought is the primary reason the cut backs are as high as they are. Look at runoff data and you can see the curve yourself.
Jeff: What I care about, is that someone, anyone, you intentionally are trying to torpedo any chance of constructive dialog to resolve the water crises that plagues our state. In that regard, I have provided reasoned analysis to refute your points and backed up what I say with facts, data, and quotations from experts in the field. Links are provided below in my other comments posts. You have yet to back up your assertions. Until you do, stop pawning yourself off as a journalist or knowledgeable in the water crises. You try to simplify things too complex to be distilled into a single issue or argument. It is not just about fish or the environment. It is not just about farmers. It is not just about city folk living our provincial lives in cities at the center of the universe. It is about those things, the future of our state and our water delivery system, and about the current water rights and contract systems that gives some 100% water allocations, some 40%, and others 10%. And more.
D - I interviewed EXPERTS, its called first hand information about this...you're quoting websites that can be manipulated to suit any purpose. First hand knowledge will defeat a CA Bureaucrats and CA leftist websites anyday...I back up my writings too, except I talk with the experts. You consult some websites and try to lecture me when I've talked to water experts first hand...no more lectures, make your own counter piece to mine using EXPERTS, not something that Bureacrats put up online(which are controlled by politicians or so-called leftist political experts BENT ON no new water even though these same hypocrites would allow illegal aliens into our state, who also drink water.) They're bent on hypocrital views that will starve PEOPLE OF WATER, not just one of CA's industries). Until you produce an interview with even ONE EXPERT, then talk to me leftist traitor to CA...you have NO REAL EVIDENCE, you might as well use WIKIPEDIA, LOL!
Here are my sources:
Capitol Weekly (quoting Lester Snow. Also reposted to Aquafornia)
Water Education Foundation post with regard to salinity in the San Joaquin Valley - aquafornia.com/archives/13578
George Skelton, Water Still Divides the State, L.A. Times (pointing out this is North v. South, not ordinary partisan politics) www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap16-2009nov16,0,2900641.column
Zetland, (citing Howitt aguanomics.com/2009/10/water-related-ag-job-losses-much-lower.html
CVP Water Allocations, US Bureau of Reclamation. www.usbr.gov/mp/cvo/
SWP Allocations, DWR www.water.ca.gov/swpao/notice
California's Drought report, www.water.ca.gov/news/newsreleases/2009/040209droughtrpt-gov.pdf
More sources:
Westlands drainage, www.westlandswater.org/wwd/drainage/overview.asp
Westlands Water, www.westlandswater.org/resources/watersupply/supply.asp?title=Annual%20Water%20Use%20and%20Supply
Peripheral Canal, DWR, baydeltaoffice.water.ca.gov/ndelta/summaryreport/index.cfm
California v. United States, 438 U.S. 645 (1978). (Cal has power to regulate CVP)
O'Neill v. United States, 50 F.3d 677 (9th Cir. 1995) (background on Westlands contractual rights)
SJV drainage issues, www.dpla2.water.ca.gov/publications/drainage/02DMReprt.pdf
cati.csufresno.edu/cit/rese/93/930102/index.html
United States v. State Water Res. Control Bd., 182 Cal.App.3d 82 (1986)
Westlands Water Dist. v. United States, 337 F.3d 1092 (9th Cir. 2003) (background on Westlands contracts compared with neighboring districts with actual water rights based in property law)
Jeff: Keep speaking, you wear ignorance on your sleeve, not to mention poor writing skills. This exchange further shows that sunshine is the best disinfectant.
There is a difference between a primary and secondary source material. A primary source, such as measurement data from the CVP or SWP or a court case, and secondary source, such as a report by an expert agency. There are also tertiary sources, like personal opinion.
Yes, I rely on written sources, both primary and secondary. I also cite commentary as you do. Regardless of what you say, the interviews you report on are not considered experts in the field of California water, law, economics, or policy. Like George Skelton, who I cite for his opinion, your sources provide their opinions/commentary. Don't get me wrong, their opinion matters and are important to the overall dialog that needs to occur. But you fail to identify any real experts in any of the fields or provide data to back the assertions you make.
Jeff: Adding to my last comment, an interview can provide detail that qualifies as primary source, secondary source, and personal opinion. The interviewee can be a primary source for an event/act they witnessed first hand (e.g. accident) or something they did (e.g. scientist collected data). They can be a secondary source for information they know about a specific field of knowledge (e.g. Lester Snow speaking on behalf of DWR or a professor lecturing). They can also inject their personal opinion (e.g. that person is a loony) or hearsay (e.g. Hannity said it was all the fault of the smelt). In the same vein, if you cite a mayor who has no special expertise or background in California water (except for being mayor) then it likely does not qualify as anything more than opinion or hearsay.
For that reason, it is generally better to cite a written primary source than cite an interview with someone who is a secondary source or apt to insert their personal opinion.
The sun is shining.
Blah, Blah, Blah...you're obviously are a far leftist and I don't argue with the inherently ignorant. Go back to your ACORN office and try to provide housing for illegals, underage pimp operations, etc. and we will beat you guys to the ground in 2010, you can bet on that...be ready for a smaller version of the great Democrat Turkey Shoot of 1994 (caused by policies similar to Clinton's that Obama is pushing) and generally based on the dumb policies that leftists push that are intended to destroy the US from with in. Why the left wants to destroy America is easy to answer, they want a NON-CONSTITUTIONAL STATIST Govt that we were never supposed to get. Bush was a so-called Republican who played into this neo-con, which is really socialism garbage. There are plenty of countries available for anti-Americans who want to starve our people, like China and the "Great Leap Forward", Vietnam, Iran, etc. I'll buy the ticket, lol!
Jeff: You epically fail in every respect to follow the Journalist Code of Ethics published by the Society of Professional Journalists www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
As I provide in my comments below, and on the following page, you practice the fine art of distortion, intentionally are misleading, miss and misstate facts, rely on advocacy as news reporting, utilize unreliable sources for the assertions you make, refuse to seek primary or secondary reliable sources of information, and conveniently fail to back up the assertions you personally make.
BTW: I suggest you purchase an copy of the Associated Press Stylebook if you intend to continue writing.
Part of this is commentary, meaning its opinion also based on facts. I do have to draw conclusions and since I haven't written an article for sometime, don't worry, I have the AP book. Bias in the news media is blatantly leftist. They don't even know what the heck objectivity is. But you can buy it all you want. That's why commentary shows, blogs, etc. are taking over the industry. But enough back and forth here, I'm not going to change your anti-human perspective vs. animals and YOU sure won't change mine, so this is a USELESS converation, but you can criticize my next writings. Fresno happens to be a conservative area, so naturally things are going to swing to the right.
Second half:
The author intentionally misleads the audience, misses and misstates facts, relies on advocacy as news reporting, utilizes unreliable sources for the assertions made, refuses to seek primary or secondary reliable sources of information, and conveniently fails to back up the assertions he personally makes. Not to mention, he refused to acknowledge he may have erred, choosing to instead call me names and attempt to make it a partisan issue (it is not). These are issues that need to be corrected if you expect your organization and web site to become a trusted or respected news source. I provided primary and secondary sources that both refute assertions made and provide additional detail about the circumstances he reports on.
Sunshine may be the best disinfectant but it does not work alone in rooting out rogue elements intent on distorting facts and misreporting the news. That is where code of ethics and your enforcement mechanisms come in.
Thanks in advance,
DFB :-
If your report is commentary, then label it so (refer to the SPJ Code of Ethics). Despite what you think or say, I do feel for the people affected by the tragedies in the water crises. However, my issue is with your intent to mislead in refusal to back up assertions you make. This is the *end* of our conversation.
I sent the following email to the Examiner Staff (in two parts due to char limits):
Hello,
I think it is imperative that you either require your writers to follow the Journalist Code of Ethics published by the Society of Professional Journalists (www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp) or create one of your own that provides an equivalent substitute.
You have a loose cannon who violates at least three of the primary principles of the SPJ Code of Ethics. It is untenable that this sort of behavior goes on. Please refer to the following article as well as the exchange I (dfb) had with the author (Jeff Crow).
[link to this article]
DFB - you just disagree with me and that's it. You're more than welcome to criticize or point out your evidence, but don't act like I didn't do my work on this.
I had a Dem & Republic that I interviewed & they both were on the same page on this issue. Therefore, I reported what they said. You can so fake "rat" all you want to Examiner, but I haven't violated journalistic ethics because I was fair by asking both political party reps.
Maybe you don't like the CA Latino Water Coalition who're Democrats, perhaps you don't like Latinos, I don't know your motivation but are going to be an over 50% of the state at some point, so you better put your predjudices aside because they want future water for their kids. Maybe your mad that Republicans support this along w/ them.
Whatever is bothering you sir, you need to work it out your self because you've tried to bait me into a potential 50 comment "Back and Forth" of nothing. BTW- You won't be stopping my writing for Examiner, LOL!!
Jeff Crow, you should be embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for you.
Hey Embarrassed, you should be EMBARRASSED that people like yourself who have BOUGHT into GLOBAL WARMING (man made) have been caught red handed by hackers that got into your OWN SCIENTISTS LIES about it. Their own computer models show its not true. You should be embarrassed because you don't even use your real name (which says something about your bravery), you should also be embarrassed that you probably voted for the dumbest President in US history, Barack Obama...
Go buy into Al Gore and Obama's BS some more, especially now that we know environMENTALISTS have scammed YOU and others similar to you for years, I wasn't dumb enough to fall for it...LOL! Now read this some more and tell your friends that love FISH over HUMANS about this "terrible article you feel bad over" to read it so that I can get paid some more!
Your MOVEMENT will be knocked down by it's own internal lies. Thank GOD for the hackers! And since you like Fish more than LATINOS-your leftist racism is obvious.
The fact is virtually all of us care about the environment. We do things like dump the trash, recycle, respect our wild places, most people don't hunt (although it's not inherently bad nor immoral), we don't want to see "chemical company A" dumping toxic waste into the rivers we all use, etc.
It's the FAR OUT, CRAZY TYPES that are in the VOCAL MINORITY of environmentalists such as those that would STEAL the water literally out of the mouths of our children & ourselves, and also want to DESTROY INDUSTRY (and JOBS) in CA/America that we can't stand.
"Cap & Traitors", those that would sign the US INTO TREATIES that WEAKEN US INDUSTRY while protecting COMMUNIST CHINA & INDIA, those that would get us into dumb UN ideas based on the LIES OF MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING (something we now know is guaranteed BS because hackers got into the e-mails of these FAKE SCIENTISTS that have pushed this propaganda in our schools, in our pop culture, etc.) have been 100% exposed as the liars they are!
Wow!!!! Can anybody write for examiner.com???
If a whacko like Jeff Crow can publish here, maybe there's hope for the rest of us (-:
CM - LOL! At least have the guts to use your REAL NAME like I do. And if you seriously think that a small fish should starve CA Agriculture, which will further damage our economy, AND also starve around $24Million CA residents of their basic water supply, then there's nothing that can be said of such disregard for the existence of people and their ability to support their families.
But enjoy, quite a number of the World's dictators, emperors, Kings, etc. (evil ones of course) used this as a weapon against people. Only in America though, do we allow radicalized groups like the fringe elements of environMENTALISTS do the damage using so-called "well intentioned ideas".
But hey, enjoy it when you don't have fruits and vegetables (or if you do their going to be EXTREMELY expensive) to eat and your water supply is cut.
I just noticed, you have nothing of substance to refute the the common sense claims I've pointed out...just personal attacks. And I love them btw!
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