Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) wants to repeal the 14th Amendment. AP Photo
The Arizona immigration law has already brought a lot of heat on the Republican party, but rather than backing down some Republicans are calling for even harsher measures. Leading the cause is Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) who advocated deporting children born in the United States if the child's parents are illegal immigrants.
Under current United States law, any person born on United States soil becomes a citizen and is entitled to all the rights thereof. As ThinkProgress.org notes, the Supreme Court relied on the 14th Amendment, the clear rule that anyone born on U.S. soil is a citizen regardless of their parents' nationality. If Rep. Hunter wanted to overturn this ruling he would effectively need to repeal the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It seems that conservatives now advocate changing the U.S. Constitution rather than upholding it.
To replace the current standard established by the 14th Amendment, Rep. Duncan instead implies that citizenship should be decided by "what's in our souls." No one really knows what would have to be in one's soul to qualify them for U.S. citizenship under Duncan's standard. Would your soul have to attend a Tea Party rally and watch Fox News? Would your soul need to give donations to the Republican Party in order to qualify?
It is worth noting that under Duncan's standard many of the Founding Fathers may not have qualified for citizenship. After all, many of the Founding Fathers were actually born to parents of different nationalities. Many Founding Fathers were born from "loyalists" who actually supported the British cause during the Revolutionary War. Surely this would disqualify the Founding Fathers' souls from gaining citizenship under Duncan's proposal.
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Duncan Hunter has no soul
Duncan Hunter has a soul
Keith Olbermann, he is a founding father. So is George Soros and Al Gore. Don't Forget Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Sharpton. Rachel Maddow. Famous progressive founding fathers that are determined to do bad.
RE:klato
your post, makes no sense! But what you expects coming from a Tea Bagger…
You cannot be a "natural born" citizen if your parents (both) are not American citizens. You would have "native born" status. But that shouldn't matter to you because no reporter (so called) is currently required to be factual in their reporting. On the other hand, this may be the reason that you are posting here and not at the Wall Street Journal.
Notice your statement:
"many of the founding fathers were actually born to parents of different nationalities. Many founding fathers were born from "loyalist" who actually supported the British cause during the Revolutionary War."
You provided no examples and posted no link to verify anything in this statement. Were you in a hurry to get into your next unverifiable propaganda piece?
Don't post one, you said "Many founding fathers". So you are meaning either signers of the Declaration, or qualifying participants in the Federalist Papers or the designers of the Constitution.
RE:What Standards?
check Benjamin Franklin...
P.S. Where you’re entire family born in American? I think not. The only TRUE Americans are they American Indians, check your history… Tea Bagger……..
If someone reported that the earth is round, would you have to use a source.
What do the Bible and the Constitution have in common? People defend the parts they like and justify why it's okay to throw away the parts they don't like. The problem is a person is not a collective people by design and different people like different things. Green Beans or French Fries. There are some who truly support the Constitution - the parts they like and the parts they don't. Those people are frequently bashed for being left-wing radical liberals and are maligned for pointing out the inconsistency in argument.
If they were born here by illegal immigrants, that makes them illegal too. Simple. The consequences of crossing our borders illegally must be severe enough to discourage it.
Now if we can just figure out how to justify deporting liberal wonks whose only hope of advancing their agenda is to mislead morons and people who don't speak the language.
Just wishing...
RE:Stan Transue
Are you jealous because we have the Hispanic vote? Obama 2012.…
jarhead cannon-cocker stood too close to the big guns too often; scrambled his brain cells. citizens are citizens, even little brown ones. dude needs to re-read that oath he took to protect & defend the constitution.
Illegal immigrants born in Mexico are not given automatic citizenship.Illegal immigrants in Mexico are given nothing except jail time and deportation.
Read up on Mexico's immigration laws and realize how absolutely ridiculous it is that there is any debate at all about illegal aliens deserving rights or anything else here.They found their way here, they can find their way back out.
RE:TaxExemptDog is an imbecile
Who would wash your streak stained Fred Flintstone underwear’s?
Your mother would still wash the skidmarks out of his drawers, but she has a green card and is paid minimum wage.
RE:doGtpmexExaT
Its an honest day work for an honest day of pay. No skid mark is to tough for my mom…
Stan Transue says:
"If they were born here by illegal immigrants, that makes them illegal too. Simple. The consequences of crossing our borders illegally must be severe enough to discourage it..."
what happened to "Constitutional Republic"?????
it seems that you want a Constitutional Republic until it becomes inconvenient to you.
14th amendment since you conveniently forgot it.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
shows you how self-serving Libertarians are....ME ME ME ME ME ME!
RE:walrus
Make them scream walrus you got them by there tail......
You can't expect to be taken seriously when you support the 14th ammendment and then also support turning the other cheek and granting amnesty to illegal aliens when they enter the country illegally before having children.
walrus says:
"what happened to "Constitutional Republic"?????
it seems that you want a Constitutional Republic until it becomes inconvenient to you.
14th amendment since you conveniently forgot it.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
RE:Reality
You just can’t uproot people having lived here say, 10 years; it’s too late by then: didn’t we do this to the American Indians?
I didn't do anything to the American Indians.I also never owned slaves.Don't try to use the Constitution to make your case in one breath, while totally ignoring the laws of this country in another.
TaxExemptGod says:
RE:Reality
"You just can’t uproot people having lived here say, 10 years; it’s too late by then: didn’t we do this to the American Indians?"
RE:Reality
So we should forget our past so we can repeat it? Its that what your saying?
Shouldn't you be in some landscaper forum giving advice on whether Husqvarna or John Deere builds a better weedwacker?
Reality says:
"You can't expect to be taken seriously when you support the 14th ammendment and then also support turning the other cheek and granting amnesty to illegal aliens when they enter the country illegally before having children."
WHAT??? you're against the 14th amendment??????? Which other amendments are you against?
Nowhere in my post does it say I'm against the 14th amendment.YOU claim to support the 14th amendment but also don't support punishing criminals that enter this country illegally.Which other parts of the Constitution do you support and choose to ignore?
walrus says:
"WHAT??? you're against the 14th amendment??????? Which other amendments are you against?"
Reality says:
"Nowhere in my post does it say I'm against the 14th amendment.YOU claim to support the 14th amendment but also don't support punishing criminals that enter this country illegally.Which other parts of the Constitution do you support and choose to ignore?"
Stan Transue says:
"If they were born here by illegal immigrants, that makes them illegal too."
Stan Transue is against the 14th amendment...you stuck your nose it and defended Stan Transue...therefore, you, like Stan Transue are also against the 14th amendment...if this is not so, then WHY DID YOU JUMP IN TO DEFEND Stan Transue's contention that the 14th amendment should be ignored with babies born in America of illegal aliens??????? You either believe in the constitution or you don't...you can't choose which parts are "good for you".
I apologize for poking my nose into a private discussion on a private forum, walrus.I am glad you support arresting and deporting illegal immigrants before the 14th amendment even becomes an issue.
gotta love the america firsters arguing we should reduce ourselves to the level of mexico in how we treat people.
Reality says:
"I apologize for poking my nose into a private discussion on a private forum, walrus.I am glad you support arresting and deporting illegal immigrants before the 14th amendment even becomes an issue."
look...f%%k the illegals...do what you will with them...I don't defend them...the Arizona law is set up to DEMAND proof from brown Americans but not white Americans...it is a racist law....like I said, I don't care about illegals one way or the other, but America does NOT single out one color OF AMERICANS (again AMERICANS) and demand proof of citizenship from them...you keep throwing all brown people together and call them illegals...Arizona has half a million illegals, but it also has 2 MILLION brown AMERICANS...only those 2 million brown AMERICANS are in danger of arrest for forgetting their "PROOF"...and that doesn't include the 20 million passing through Arizona on I-10... THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS LAW RACIST, not the illegals...you keep harping on the illegals.
Walrus you are stuffed more full of sheet than a christmas goose.
klatoo says:
"Walrus you are stuffed more full of sheet than a christmas goose."
read what you wrote again...isn't that the stupidest thing ever written? Who would stuff a christmas goose with "sheet"??? what kind of family did you grow up in?
That would be one really smelly messy sheet.
RE:walrus
LOL..LOL
TE you don't know sheet
Walrus your mama looks like sheet
Laughing Chimp you have sheet for brains
RE:klatoo
What I do know is you’re a Tea Bagger, who can't see a Racist Republican Part and that’s sad! so sad!
Uh Walrus I would be against the 16th amendment if you knew sheet.
TE NO you are the progressive you are sad remember you are so sad.
Everything so sad. Progressives always so sad
Regular Americans (still the majority) think the immigration laws should be enforced. Children should not 'inherit' citizenship from parents who are here illegally.
This is common sense that the loony tunes (still the minority) can't get through their brain washed little minds. The government and big business benefit from this scheme. The rest of us don't.
Getting the stranglehold of corruption out of DC is our country's only hope of survival.
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