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Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, used an FN Five-Seven, a semi-automatic pistol popular with SWAT teams that can fire armor-piercing bullets commonly called the “cop killer. A total of 13 people died in the bloodbath at the Texas military base and 38 were wounded.
Our corrupt politicians, leaders and the Lying Liberal Media want to parse words and play politically correct games with our serviceman’s lives. Hassan is a terrorist no matter what his creed or religion.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition defines ter•ror•ist as one that that engages in acts or an act of terrorism. Nowhere does to call attention to state of mind nor religious pursuits.
Hasan gave away possessions prior to his attack but more importantly he went to a gun shop and bought a handgun that has one purpose and that is to kill policeman or soldiers that may be wearing body armor.
The FN Five Seven is a killing machine and armor piercing rounds are available for this ultra hot firearm which can spit bullets out its muzzle in excess of 2000 feet per second.
The UK Telegraph reports,
"He fired at me and I fired back. I was about 15 yards away. I could see into his eyes and he was calm. We did what we had to do, I wish we could have got there sooner."
Sgt Munley, who is only 5ft tall, is being treated for her wounds in hospital and has been described by friends as a "ball of fire" and a "great cop." When she arrived she saw Hasan firing at a fleeing, wounded soldier. She chased him and opened fire only for Hasan to turn and unleash his "cop killer" weapon.
Is there any doubt that his man terrorized the 300 plus soldier’s he fired upon with every intention to kill them and aren't you tired of politically correct terms that distort the facts and our collective morals.
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Civilians can not purchase armor piercing ammo in 5.7x28mm you dolt. Do some research before you rant.
The 5.7 is comparable to the lowly 22 Hornet. Thank the Lord he was using such an underpowered firearm, or more lives would have likely been lost.
"aren't you tired of politically correct terms that distort the facts and our collective morals."
You mean like "a handgun that has one purpose and that is to kill policeman or soldiers that may be wearing body armor?"
or maybe "cop killer?"
You're no better than those you seem to hate. You're just on the other side of the agenda.
And yes, I'm absolutely tired of people like you.
The armor piercing rounds for this gun are not sold to the general public. Maybe, because this man was Military, he would have been able to purchase them, but I cannot. Regardless, armor wasnt an issue here. He could have done just as much damage with the standard issue M9 9mm sidearm. Lastly, this "cop killer" gun has NEVER been used to kill a cop. This is all bull written by people who know nothing about handguns whatsoever.
Gregory Dail, you are truly clueless about firearms technology and ballistics. With 11 years experience in the military and law enforcement, I laugh when I hear the term "cop killer gun/bullets" because the term is synonymous with the under-educated anti-gun pundits. The FN 5-7 pistol may have a 20 round magazine capacity, but the terminal ballistics for the round are dismal. The .40 caliber pistols that the police use are tremendously more effective. The RESTRICTED armor piercing ammo that you mention is only available to law enforcement agencies and was not available to Mr. Hasan. Commercial ammunition has been verified by BATF to NOT penetrate police level IIIA Police body armor. Your article is ridiculous.
Gregory Dail I hope you pay attention to the above posts. You really need to talk to people that know something about firearms before you start spouting drivel about them. You are correct about Hasan being a terrorist, however.
Any pistol at close range is going to do major damage. If he had a 45 cal. there would be many more dead.
Any crazy nut will do what they want. A normal gun owner would not do an act like this terrorist did. He was on a mission from Alah. Amazing I hope he survives so he can fry.
People like him need to go away.
This weapon is used by several countries(including our own)in their protective security details, such as presidential body guards.
In this role with the armor pericing bullet and large capacity, it is considered effective if the assialant is using body armor.
Using commercially available ammunition it is simply a high velocity small caliber pistol and often passes through the body leaving a small hole and minimal damage. Not as effective as many of the larger caliber rounds carried by law enforcement.
As many have stated; hyping up the gun doesn't change what an insane person did.
I wonder how you will describe the gun & carnage when another nut decides to attack a filled room with a twelve gauage shotgun loaded with #3 buckshot.
Please note it took a person with another gun to stop him.
I you just love it when people with an agenda spew ridiculous nonsense about A firearm they are absolutely clueless about. *HEAVY SARCASM INTENTED*
As pointed out numerous times, this ammunition isn't commercially available.
Perhaps we should have a journalist control where they screen out those who can't check their facts before shooting off like a gangbanger with a 9mm in a drive by. After all, they say the pen is mightier than the sword and we all know what can happen when a weapon falls into the hands of someone who doesn't have the proper training or mental discipline to use one.
You sir, are a poor excuse for a journalist.
We need to remove all muslims from the USA military. This deal at Fort Hood is not the first problem, and will not be the last with muslims in our military. They are too unpredictable because of their fanaticism over allah who was little more than a child molester. History proves this. 11-06-10
This article is so biased against the firearm that it reeks of liberal journalism at it's worst. I wonder is the author got a kick back from Pelosi for writing this article. Check the facts before writing something. This dude should have been kicked out of the military long before this incident occured, there were more then enough warning signs to show that this guy was not playing with a full deck. If didn't carry out his rampage with a handgun, he probally would have carried it out with an IED. The checks and balances failed here, not the access to a handgun.
Ironically, there is no known record of that weapon even being used to kill a police officer in the United States, and there is a distinct possibility that Sgt. Kimberly Munley, wounded while engaging Hasan, may have been the first American law enforcement officer ever shot with a Five-seveN.
How did the Five-seveN get it's "cop killer" reputation, then?
You self described weapons experts seem to have missed the point as well as the bad journalist. I have a problem with one man, one pistol, 100 rounds, and 50 downed soldiers. We are sending this level of trooper into battle? It took a civilian cop to bring this guy down, why? Are we deploying sheep into combat or am I missing something here?
This is just another example of a hysterical journalist writing an article with half the facts. If you are to remain a creditable source of conservative reporting you had better insure your reports are correct and accurate. This one is not.
To set the record straight:
The 5.7 round was developed for law enforcement, & the ammo has never been
called "cop killer". FN also makes a bullpup rifle that you may have seen at gunshows.
The only ammo that civilians can buy is a tame version that is ineffective for most uses,
which explains why few guns have been sold. The really high velocity penetrator ammo
is available only to law enforcement & military. PERIOD!
I noticed that several others have posted similar articles which point to the inaccuracy of
this article. If you have an ounce of creditability you will acknowledge your mistake.
Charlie H
"Cop Killer" rounds that are only available to LEO's and government agenices? *snifs*
I smell media bias! Or is that B.S.? Get your facts straight before you write a hit piece on a weapon you know nothing about.
Your political attitudes do not give you license to massage the facts, Mr. Journalist!
It took a gun owener to stop this jackass.....don't lose sight of the fact that, unarmed, trained individuals where harmed and then it stopped.........when proper use of a gun was applied.
FN Five-Seven, a semi-automatic pistol has never been used to "kill a cop." Why is this "journalist" lying? Do these far left wing fanatical nut job "reporters" think they can get away with such a blatant lie?
Yeah, this is a real gang bangers gun, they cost around $2,200.00. How many pocket-books do ya have to steal to get one of these babies...
This is not the FN "cop killer Five Seven".
It is the FN "Five Seven"
Stop injecting hysteria where it can do damage to public perception and owner's rights.
The FN Five Seven is my primary carry weapon for the very reason that it balances capacity with functionality. Gang bangers don't carry Five Sevens. They carry Lorcin .380's.
God I am sick of ignorant reporters; it's time to put a gun-savvy reporter on every staff to provide the proper perspective against ignorant reporting like this.
I really have a problem with uniformed anti-gunners who haven't a clue when it comes to firearms and how they function. It adds injury to insult when they profess to be "journalists" also. I am both a journalist AND a firearms expert. Almost any weapon can fire a round that will penetrate body armor, if you design a round specifically to do that. However, AP rounds can only be had by military and law enforcement. As for this weapon being a “cop killer” the anti-gunners are correct. But, you can kill a cop with a lot of different weapons, including running him over with a car, which I consider to be a very effective assault weapon. Moreover, there is nothing that special about the FN 5.7, other than the hype and hysteria surrounding it, which the ignorant choose to profess and promulgate. If you want to be upset about something concerning firearms in this situation, how about the fact that most military police, including the DOD cop who shot Hassan, are limited to using a 9mm pistol tha
If you want to be upset about something concerning firearms in this situation, how about the fact that most military police, including the DOD cop who shot Hassan, are limited to using a 9mm pistol that can only fire full metal jacketed bullets, instead of modern hollow point ammo that almost any other law enforcement officer is allowed to carry. They are limited to carrying only these underpowered hardball rounds that have almost no stopping power because we still adhere to the outdated mandates of the World War 1 Hague Convention. If these cops had used modern high powered hollow points the fight would have been over sooner and they wouldn’t have had to hit this guy multiple times to put him down.
Yet another media type embellishing the facts for his own sensationalistic glory. The FiveSeven's AP ammunition is only available to Official Law Enforcement and the Military. The civil ammunition is mediocre, with comparable energy to the 50 year old .22 magnum cartridge. I used to do photography for a newspaper. I rarely met a writer who was not a tawdry agenda-whore. Never will listen to the media or work in the industry again. Sick of it.
Well Mr. Dail, if you are going to do a piece on guns and gun control, you need to learn the subject that you are writing about. This handgun goes NOT use a clip, an M1 Garand uses a clip. This handgun uses a magazine, as with most weapons today. And since you don't know a clip from a magazine, I can already gather you have no facts on what had taken place in Texas.
Why don't you write a piece on the amount of automobile deaths every year by people who are driving DUI, or talking on their cell phones or texting people while they are driving. You might find there are more deaths due to this phenomenon than with handguns.
Hmmm. You've got a "cop killer" gun that hadn't been used before this to shoot at cops, "capable of firing" armor piercing bullets that aren't commercially available and don't actually pierce body armor anyway, which has as its "only purpose" killing soldiers and policemen, which is undoubtedly why it's largely sold to, um, policemen and soldiers.
It seems like you've got a basically good point underneath it all — that this was a terrorist attack (and I'd add treasonous and a double betrayal since he was a US military officer) — but I'm afraid that being utterly clueless really impedes your ability to make your case.
As mentioned by others on the comments, this gun has never been used before to shoot, much less kill, any cop. In fact, it's one of the favorite weapons of the Secret Service.
Meanwhile, REAL cop killers (like Mumia) are defended by the Left. So show some consistency, OK? Criticize ALL cop killers (the real ones, I mean), or none of them!
If you believe this article or take the point of view of the author seriously, you are an idiot.
shidoshi, you miss the point: Service members are not allowed to carry weapons on base except in performance of specific duties such as military police, guard duty and weapons/ammunition transport.
Those troops were more than well-trained - but they were unarmed.
If you want to attempt to be an expert on something, you should probably at least have a basic understanding of the topic. Obviously you didn't bother to do that, and it shows that you know nothing about firearms. Good try bub.
There are a lot of guns capable of killing a policeman or any other target... You can go buy hunting pistols that shoot 30.06 rounds which regardless of whether it is firing a armor piercing or standard round can go through kevlar like it wasn't even there.... likewise you can get semi-automatic pistols that fire .223 round which are also quite capable of going through a bullet proof vest...
You might want to start with some understanding of body armor which comes in various levels from small arms protection to type IV which protects from standard military issued armor piercing bullets.
Clearly you have no understanding of what you are writing about... You might also consider that any gun is capable of firing armor piercing bullets; but armor piercing bullets are controlled and only 30.06 armor piercing bullets are available to the general public. The armor piercing bullets for this pistol are tightly controlled.
Let's face it...you WIKI'd information regarding the pistol, sensationalized it in a sophomoric and veiled disguise of journalism , resulting in branding yourself as a gun hater. You have an agenda- and due to the abhorrent manner in which you tried to jump on the attention bandwagon you appear ignorant. You Sir are a Retard. I WIKI'd responsible journalism and you were listed as the antithesis. Go Figure.
The round used in the Five Seven is quite anemic, even when fired out of the firearm it was designed for, the FN P90. Houston PD SWAT used the P90 for a while, and switched to the Colt M4, because they had to dump half a magazine into suspects to stop them.
In it's LE only AP form, it is designed to penetrate many layers of Kevlar™, which it does very well. Problem is, it does nothing after doing so except poke a small hole. That the good sargent was hit in both legs and didn't notice is a telling indicator of the weakness that is 5.7mm x 28mm.
In fact, I would bet that the number of dead would be much higher had Hasan been using something else, like a Glock with hollow points.
Shidoshi5 - How dare you attack the soldiers as "sheep". If you had ever been in such a processing center, and seen first hand how cluttered they are with furniture, you would see how this was such an idea venue for such an act of cowardice. Many of "sheep" were killed while charging the terrorist, thus impeding others attempting to do the same. This type of "bottle-necking" worked to the advantage of the coward. I am certain this is why the terrorist picked this venue, versus, a gymnasium, where he could have been subdued more quickly. How dare you criticize these brave men and women of our volunteer Army.
"Gregory is a staunch conservative who has been involved with local and national politics in Central Florida since 1980. He currently publishes the Teabag Gazette via an Indoor Digital Signage System located along the I-4 corridor."
And totally wrong on the 2a? So you really are 100% wrong on everything, Gregory.
I fully support the 2nd amendment, but as a Marine, I have to seriously draw the line. Military-grade firearms serve absolutely no purpose for civilians. You're not gonna defend yourself in your compact home with a 9 lbs M-16 (yeah, I know it's a "AR-15"... M-16) by firing 30 rounds, destroying your house, and possibly killing the neighbors. Assault Rifles and sidearms like the Five Seven are made for the sole purpose of firing full metal jacketted armor-peircing rounds through armored oppfor. That is it. You don't need a FN 5_7 to kill an intruder, because intruders do not wear Interceptor armor.
With the Ft. Hood horror, the power of the ammunition used is not the question, because a 9mm would have killed those men too (they had no armor). Instead, it's the magazine capacity, as a 5_7 can carry a 30-round magazine (extended) or a 20-round mag. Now why does some Jimbo yokel need a military sidearm that can fire FMJ assault-rifle class ammunintion from 30-round mags? He doesn't.
the FN 5.7X28 is not a "Cop Killer." The only thing that can kill a "Cop" or anyone else for that matter is a person or their actions. Now that we have placed blame on the propper item involved with this act of TERROR, lets look at a few facts. The debate about the "Cop Killer Bullet" refers to any bullet that is Full Metal Jacket because it was designed to pennetrate. This bullet is a poor choice for actualy killing people. Many people are under the false impression that a FMJ bullet is designed to instantly kill anyone hit by the round. This is false in fact it was designed for the purpose of piercing armor and the worst that the bullet can do is Yaw when it hits tissue or bone. Yes I know millions of people have been killed by FMJ. This is true because this is the round used in war. A far better bullet for killing people is a bullet that expands. You can shoot many different types of bullets from the same gun. I have a novel idea lets blame the person not the gun for this atrocity.
Earlier I posted on just a couple of glaring inconsistencies in the authors writing. Now I am going to take a complete frontal assault not only on his credibility. I am a Veteran who served this country through two wars. I believe in the constitution of the united states. I love my country, and its soldiers. HOW DARE YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS ACT OF TERROR TO PUSH YOUR UNINFORMED ANTI-GUN AGENDA. If this makes me a hate monger so be it. At least I have defended this Country and the constitution from foreign agressors, what has this guy done? If this author has his way none of us will be able to defend our families from all the violence out there. If he has his way we will all be unarmed. I hope the author personaly comes to my house to try and take my guns away. What do I have to fear from this pathetic guy. I don't think if he were there and armed he would have put up much of a fight. Unlike the unarmed soldiers that fought like hell that day. There are fates worse than death.
The second ammendment of the constitution was not only written to defend our right to bear arms for personal protection. It was written to ensure our safety from tyrantical government. Though it may be true that a person does not need 30 rounds of ammunition to defend his home from a single attacker. We fail to realize that we as men are considered militia not mere civilians. Civilians were forming groups of fighters during the revolutionary war. When we look at things throught this calidascope the images become slightly clearer. I have the right to own any weapon or ammunition I choose as long as it is legal. If we take firearms from civilians we become a less formidable fighting force. Remember Japan feared invading our shores not because of our formed military. They said, If we invade America there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass. Besides like Kent said blame the Terrorist not the tool. We did not ban airplanes after 911 why start now.
Almost any handgun can be given ammunition for punching through body armor. That type of ammunition is restricted to the millitary and police for that reason. Labeling anything a cop killer is overly dramatic fear mongering. Considering at Ft. Hood no one was wearing body armor, the fact this gun (like most) can becomes moot. Add to the fact that since no one was wearing body armor if the attacker had been using armor piercing bullets he would have actually inflicted less serious injuries, since armor piercing bullets go right through a person and can't deliver enough force in the process; they rely on the slowing caused by hitting armor to allow them to transfer the maximum force and lethality to the target. Withoutarmor the bullet wound would be roughtly the same diameter as bullet, with armor almost double that.
Im tired of all the leftist people in this country that think a gun is the reason, or a certain caliber is the reason why someone dies. None of my guns has ever grown legs and ran off to go kill someone. An idiot, terrorist, psycho, whatever be the case has to pick up the gun and use it. Ive got an fn 57 and i shoot targets with it for fun. When i bought it I wasnt buying it for pdw purposes, Ive got a Glock 45 for that. Just wanted to remind everyone that its not the guns' fault, its the person behind it. What about all the law abiding gun owners that didnt kill anyone that day? Thanks for yalls time, mark II
As long as criminals agree to stop carrying/using weapons, then so will I.
This gun was used to kill someone....Guns need to be illegal!
Someone got hit by a car.............Cars need to be illegal!
I child got suffocated by a plastic bag..plastic bags need to be illegal!
A woman got stabbed by a kitchen knife...make them illegal!
Because obviously, It's always the weapons fault, not the crazed terrorist psycho f**k using the weapon to kill someone.
Anytime I see the words cop killer, assault rifle, and especially machine gun in an article; from that point on it takes everything in me to remain objective while reading it. These are all terms used sweepingly by biased media that represent the author's anti gun agenda. If the author does not write objectively then how can the audience do their part and receive objectively? Also the quality of research in this article is rushed to put it nicely. You receive no derived credibility for this one Mr. Dail.
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