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A day after a birth certificate that showed Obama was not a US citizen proved to be a forgery, the news has had "the birthers" crying in their formula.
Fringe conservative bloggers and writers proclaimed with certainty the other day that a Kenyan birth certificate surfaced that "proved" birthers right.
What it proved was that they were completely nuts since the certificate was a Republic of Kenya birth certificate dated from 1961 the year of Obama's birth, but was dated 3 years before Kenya's birth as a republic. Oh, well, nice try.
One blogger had written that it had already been certified as authentic simply because The Big Bertha of the birther movement, a California lawyer named Orly Taitz, submitted it to a court for authentication. To them that meant it was authentic.
After it was exposed as a fake many of these bloggers tried discredit the discreditors. The arguments range from the laughable to the ludicrous.
Unlike some, I don't believe their motive has anything to do with race. It's not about Obama. Its pure lunatic politics. Any Democrat, even Freddy Krueger would have beaten any Republican in a landslide after what Bush and the Republicans did to the country for 8 years, and the fact that the majority of the country all but kicked the Republicans out of the congress and made them the smallest minority in decades is proof enough that this isn't about Obama but the Democrats and politics. It isnt all that different from the attempts by the lunatic right to discredit Bill Clinton which they tried for 8 years. Which is not to compare Obama to Clinton. He is no Clinton. But to right wing politicos it doesn't matter. It's about the Democrats being in power.
To listen to their arguments about Obama's birth is to find a wealth of material for any comedian or satirist. S some of them make the same charges of Obama embracing communist policies that were the stuff of political satire 40 years ago when right wingers found Communism the motivating force behind things like rock and roll. These are the same people who think healthcare reform or the public option is communism or socialism.
You would think that the first thing they'd have to do to have any credibility is prove that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a forgery. I mean prove it, not come up with outlandish conspiracy theories. That birth certificate was presented a long time ago and confirmed as valid by people a lot smarter and with a lot more expertise than the lunatic fringe called "the birthers". Unless they think that even the Republicans and other government agencies were in on the fraud and either didn't authenticate his birth certificate or didn't care.
They also dont explain why Obama even had a forgery of a Hawaiian birth certificate in the first place when years before he ever got into politics he had to present a valid birth certificate to get a passport. So why run the risk of forging one to get a passport under fraudulent circumstances years before he ever went into politics? That would be a felony and would have destroyed any chance for a law career which is what Obama was pursing at Harvard. Let them explain that one.
One other thing they can do is produce other birth certificates from Kenya for births in 1961 that are identical in every way to the so called Obama Kenyan birth certificate. Everyone can assume that Obama was not the only human being born in Kenya in 1961. There literally should be thousands of Kenyan birth certificates with thousands of names from 1961 and they should be pretty easy to get.
So let them start producing them by the hundreds, certificates exactly like the one they say is Obama's, same Registrar, same signature, same everything and then once those are validated and the names validated, they can say they "debunked" the proof that the birth certifcate is a fake. Until and unless they do, they are what everyone things they are - cranks, lunatics, and political zealots.
One of their latest lunatic ideas being floated is that Hillary Clinton is really in Kenya to try and supress Obama's "real" Kenyan birth certificate. Like, if that's what they were up to they'd send the Secretary of State with a full staff and entourage of reporters on a secret mission to try and supress it. This kind of thinking is the result of people so blinded by their own rabid politcal zealotry that common sense goes out the window. Assuming they ever had any in the first place.
When Bill O'Reilly and Karl Rove disavow this stuff and Ann Coulter calls these conservatives "cranks" its really time for the birthers to give it up and if they have to, take something for their post partum birth certificate depression. Or maybe do what Obama did when he realized he made a mistake -- go have a beer.
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Seems the forger may have come forward...in the comments here:
//216.221.102.26/blogger/post/Is-missing-page-11-from-Dunham-Divorce-Decree-the-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate.aspx#comment
I don't think I heard anyone say it was real. That lawyer lady just wanted help to verify if it was or not. She didn't know if it was real and never said it was as far as I know.
If she could not figure it out herself, she really needs to get a new day job! What an idiot!
Hello name caller, glad to see you could make it.
If the name fits...and in her case there is no denying it.
From Orly Taitz blog:
"The Kenya BC, that I am seeking to be authenticated, is more plausible then the short version HI BC posted by Obama
August 5th, 2009 FreeRepublic.com
August 5, 2009
by BP2
Few people know the prima facie facts tied to the Obama’s mother’s 1964 and 1980 divorces as well as a handful of us here on Free Republic. I know it probably better than most.
When I started looking at the date (Feb 17, 1964) on this new Kenyan birth certificate, I immediately started comparing it with the dates of the 1964 divorce between Obama’s mother and father – TRYING to REFUTE the Kenyan birth certificate. Was it at all PLAUSIBLE, at least based upon what we know as prima facie facts, confirmed by an independent source – such as a judge in a divorce case? If you wish to refer back to this initial comparison, the information is on Post 2,222 of the Free Republic thread “Is this really it? (re: possible Obama’s Kenyan B.C.)”.
Attempt to debunk Obama's Kenyan birth certificate debunked
Grand Rapids Ron Paul Examiner Geoff Linsley
examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ron-Paul-Examiner~y2009m8d5-Attempt-to-debunk-Obamas-Kenyan-birth-certificate-debunked
From: JB
To: Patrick Bellringer
" I have a background in Constitutional Law research ... Everyone claiming to have proof that he was born in Kenya doesn't realize that it doesn't matter where he was born.
The original Constitution signed by our founding fathers is not the one the present administration is using. Everyone reading your site should know by now that a PRIVATE CORPORATION was formed in 1871 in Washington D.C. for the purpose of carrying out the business functions of the government...
Everyone must understand that in bankruptcy, which our country is in, the laws of Commerce (UCC - Admiralty) prevail and become the SUPREME law of the land.
FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: J. B.
Thank you... You are quite correct in your thinking concerning our "Corporate" president.
Obama ran a fake election to fool the people, allowing the citizen debtors to vote, when in fact he was elected by the Corporation Board of Directors and stockholders...."
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SEVEN-DAY PAYMENT ULTIMATUM ISSUED TO WHITE HOUSE
MAIN BENEFICIARIES TO TAKE MATTERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS AFTER FRIDAY
Wednesday 5 August 2009 02:00
MISPRISION OF FELONY: U.S. CODE, TITLE 18, PART 1, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 4:
‘Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some Judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both’.
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the obamathons want SO BADLY to help us birthers by trying to get us to stop.
thanks for being SO CONCERNED for our welfare. lol@u
Wow, you birthers are really even slower than I thought!
THIS is posted at Repubx, apparently you were all PUNK'D!
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Oh, my goodness!
Look what turned up at:
fearlessblogging.com/post/view/3037
Are those photos taken by the forger of the Kenyan birth certificate?
www.upload.mn/view/5ro4tlhvqps1xm7v65lw.jpg
www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7obp3yym18l.jpg
www.upload.mn/view/gs5jgyylzx17ozzdc1s3.jpg
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Fine cotton business paper: $11
Inkjet printer: $35
1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter: $10
2 Shilling coin: $1
Pilot Varsity fountain pen: $3
Punkin' the Birthers: Priceless!
Obama has spent, to date, $800,000 in legal fees, to keep a $10 Birth Certificate from the public
James, wow, how do you manage to walk and breathe at the same time?
BREAKING NEWS!
Orly Taitz gets Punk'd!
LOL
How many times have you read Alinsky's book DDD? Do you work for acorn or are you just a independent loyal subject.
Why did the Supreme Court not take this case? And, do you consider being taxed $1,000 a year to opt out of any type of health care NOT communism?
"Obama has spent, to date, $800,000 in legal fees, to keep a $10 Birth Certificate from the public "
Haha, got a source? Mine tells me it was more like 1 bazillion-jillian dollars!
He must be hiding something!!
"Do you work for acorn or are you just a independent loyal subject."
Come on now, F22, what kind of a question is that? Don;t you know we're ALL on ACORN's payroll- just waiting for the census to be done so we can single out the dissenters, steal all their guns, and then force them to marry the gays while taxing them to death!! The end is near I tell you!!
"Why did the Supreme Court not take this case?"
Why would they?
"And, do you consider being taxed $1,000 a year to opt out of any type of health care NOT communism?"
Yes.
Next!
Are you DDD or are you his back up? He must be out to lunch.
Great comeback!! Please tell me more about how NOONE said the Kenyan BC was real and how cautious everyone was with it...they were, you know, just curious- I'm in need of another good chuckle.
And while you're at it, feel free to throw in a George Soros or New World Order reference- these comments are still missing one...though I'm sure Jason is working on that as I type.
proven to be a forgery by whom? It has been submitted to the California courts for examination to determine if it is a forgery, they have not commented yet as to its authenticity. I personally think this new birth certificate is real, until I hear from the California courts.
Geoff Linsley says:
"Go here for actual facts on this topic: examiner.com/x-14129-Grand-Rapids-Ron-Paul-Examiner~y2009m8d5-Attempt-to-debunk-Obamas-Kenyan-birth-certificate-debunked
The debunk the author is using has been debunked, putting an egg on Olbermann's face."
F22 that's exactly it. Obama apologists (including the majority of the media) claim anyone who asks for evidence about The One's past must be racist or crazy, and they're so invested now in this line of attack that when (and if) evidence of his fraud does appear they'll fight it with all they have. All it means is that we can get rid of Obambi, get Joe Biden to take over (hopefully with Hillary as VP) and then we can get down to work.
Obama ain't my President no matter where is was born. Enough said.
"proven to be a forgery by whom?"
Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain. Unfortunately this eliminates nearly 99.9% of birfers so it basically means nothing.
"All it means is that we can get rid of Obambi, get Joe Biden to take over (hopefully with Hillary as VP) and then we can get down to work."
Hahahahahahahahahahah- Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
He isn't even a good dirty trickster.
Of course the Kenyan birth certificate is authentic. The secret radio in my molar told me so.
Wow, if this is really just some conspiracy theory, why is Obama spending so much money to cover everything up? Why doesn't he just SHOW his real certificate like McCain did? Or is he ABOVE the law? Hmmm...and he wants ME to follow the law? Seems fishy to me. Just show us the certificate already, IF you have nothing to HIDE Mr. "Most Transparent Administration" ...Most transparent huh? Really...We aren't that stupid, Hussein!
What difference does any of this make? I believe Obama was born in Hawaii. It's Pelosi that is the evil witch of the west. Just because Obama's mother was in Kenya when he was born, that doesn't mean he wasn't born in Hawaii. I mean, with two names (Barry) maybe he has two mothers also. The damage is already done now, so it doesn't matter. Only peons of the Federal Government have to go through a complete background investigation (every five years for a clearance), not our leaders. They get elected so they don't have to be properly vetted.
"Wow, if this is really just some conspiracy theory, why is Obama spending so much money to cover everything up?"
How much has he spent again? I've seen "millions," "$500,000," "$800,000," "tons", and various others. Would you care to throw out another unsourced amount? I prefer "bajillions" personally, but only because it sounds much more impressive.
"Why doesn't he just SHOW his real certificate like McCain did?"
Please, Please show me this one. This I have to see. Surely it's been "certified" as well, right?
"We aren't that stupid, Hussein!"
I get it! Because he's a Moooossslim! Right?
Found it:
www .scribd.com/doc/9934044/John-McCain-Birth-Certificate
Panama, eh? Methinks we need to give this one to Ms. Taint for verification...pretty suspicious he won't release the long form, no? And he's spent over $20 million covering this whole issue up. Very shady indeed.
Transparent as milk. By the way, watch my left hand while I run a few thousand troops into Afghanistan. Watch my left hand while I turn your country into a Socialist Republic. Ha, if you resist me, I will label you a right wing Nazi racist birther. Because I would never lie to you. And I have liberal news media to prove it. You do not need proof, because I will never forsake you.
this author is a dim-wit.
JJ,
I agree with you.
Such deep thoughts from the 'initialed.'
Mooooosssssllliimmm!!
Deep thoughts? Wow, it took you a while to come up with that retort. You are a real brain aren't you? Did you go to Harvard?
Haha I'll take that as a compliment coming from the genius who came up with this instant gem:
"I mean, with two names (Barry) maybe he has two mothers also."
Ziiing!!! Man you're good.
It's all in fun, friend
"It's all in fun, friend"
If that's true then someone needs to tell this lady:
www .youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc
This crap is getting out of hand, and sooner or later one of these idiots is going to try to take "things into their own hands."
Dave, I think that the reason most folks are angry is that congress/Obama is trying to slide through a health plan that they won't even read. On top of that, they are rushing it through when our country is in economic straights. 80% of America has a health plan and happy with it. Older folks are in fear that Medicare will be cut back even more than it is now. Of the folks that don't have insurance, half of them are foreign, part of them don't want it and the small percentage of folks that need it, either don't have it right now because they recently lost their job, or they are homeless. I admit that we need to fix it, but not go to Socialism. And believe me, socialized medicine is NOT the way to go. Transparency means, tell us the truth and let us decide. Obama said maybe a person doesn't need a pace maker,,,just give him a pain pill. Maybe they are old and shouldn't have a hip replacement,,,just give them a pill. He said it, not me. If that doesn't scare you, than
there is something seriously wrong with you. He says you can have your own insurance. If the government is going to give it to you cheaper or free, than all of those millions of folks working for the insurance company are going to lose their jobs when everyone goes to the gov. plan.
First of all the Certificate has not been proven a forgery by any credible source. I work withing the government and I can tell you that this has not. I repeat. Has not been determined a forgery.
If anything 2 forensic examiners that have analyzed what is on Taitz site say that is is very likely authentic.
It will soon be authenticated and Rubix cube and will be crying in his mothers breast milk that he still drinks while living in her basement.
Get a life. Why don't you report what is really going on.
Obama getting 30 death threats a day.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
Obama being labeled as the joker with a socialism poster.
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/08/05/DI2009080503252.html
Obama's ratings falling 50%.
www.examiner.com/x-16781-Tallahassee-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d28-O-bummer-Obamas-approval-rating-dips-below-50-i
Yep Obummer is tanking. The most liberal city in the world was ground zero for his joker poster displaying him as a socialist.
And He has the worst ratings of any president in History!
THE WORST RATINGS OF ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.
And on top of that over 85% of Americans now doubt he was even born or qualified to be potus.
State by state the birthers are winning!
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/06/poll-finds-doubts-on-obamas-birth/
Yep He's going down the toilet with the worst ratings of any president. I love it! I'm glad he's not black. That would be an embarassment to real blacks. With 2 black parents!
www.examiner.com/x-16781-Tallahassee-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d28-O-bummer-Obamas-approval-rating-dips-below-50-in-latest-poll
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Rubin you are idiot man. I was born Kenya in 1961. I got copy. You hear? Copy of my birth certificate in 1964 and it exactly like the one Taitz put on the net. You know why? Cause Kenyan a republic not in 1961 but in 1964 when the COPY get it Copy was requested.
That why it say Republic of Kenya.
It is real man and when they prove it real you show how dumb are.
Everyone hear know he born here. Just ask our embassador who's Mom work at hospital in Mobasa when he was born.
You idiot!
"I got copy. You hear? Copy of my birth certificate in 1964 and it exactly like the one Taitz put on the net. You know why? Cause Kenyan a republic not in 1961 but in 1964 when the COPY get it Copy was requested."
Im calling you out.Email it to me otherwise you are liar. You have the email address. Send it and I will post it. Dont send it and I will brand you as an idiot and a fool.
Never mind I know the one on the net is real. I just want to get the "birthers" going because I like to make statements with no fundamental foundation. That is the trademark of us Liberals.
Pull out the race card when convenient and the fraud card when we don't have a credible debunker.
I don't have scanner plus I not give you my personal information.
You want come and see it come to MM Shah primary school. I work there and have it at might office. I will also give you 3 other peoples copies that are identical and you can take it back to USA and I am sure you going post it on here? You would never do it. You be so shock it real you go cry like baby cause you racist and afraid admit Obama born in Kenya. You have Kenyan for President. If you want come here I will email you the address of the school.
Notice how this moron posts. Authenic Hawaiian certificate.
Lol. You can get that anywhere. I can order one of those for anyone.
My friend even has one of those who was born in Germany.
Show us the long form Rubin!
The tin foil hatted birthers are out tonight, Yeeee Haaaaw! Really guys settle on down, EEEEEasy. We don't need no stinking BC! He has to be Natural Born to set in our White House! Doesn't he? Well,(shush), his daddy was not an American at his birth. & His daddy's British Citizenship made the baby boy a British Citizen the moment he was born also. You just can't be Natural Born if your daddy was a Brit and you are born a British Citizen. He really isn't the President. He can't be! He is not Natural Born. Now? What we gonna do?
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