While climate change skeptics claim some e-mails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in England and leaked onto the Internet show that climate data is being manipulated to exaggerate global warming, both the context of the e-mails and overwhelming evidence of rising temperatures show otherwise.
Russian computer hackers are suspected in the theft of 1,073 e-mails, which first publicly appeared on November 17. The CRU is a leading research body on climate change, contributing to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2007, the most authoritative study of global warming.
The e-mail most commonly cited by global warming skeptics, who have been largely bankrolled by oil and coal interests and have dubbed this matter "climategate," was one written by CRU head Phil Jones, who said, "I've just completed 'Mike's Nature trick' of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years ... to hide the decline."
Claiming that Jones' statement demonstrates data manipulation is to take it completely out of context. The "trick" referred to in the e-mail is the matter of reconciling actual temperature recordings with tree ring growth, which is used to reconstruct temperatures from earlier periods. Wood density declined after 1960, making tree ring records after this time inaccurate, and that is the "decline" referred to in the e-mail, not a decline in temperatures.
Putting aside the e-mails, which were private conversations, the evidence of global warming is overwhelming, for the 10 hottest years have all occurred since 1997, glaciers are retreating and sea levels are rising, and the CRU's findings are consistent with global temperature data from other research groups around the world, including the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the U.S.
Global warming is primarily caused by the burning of such fossil fuels as coal, oil and natural gas, which release carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide emissions are growing so fast that if nothing is done, average global temperatures will rise by 6 degrees Celsius by the end of this century, which would be disastrous for humanity. A 40 percent cut in 1990 carbon levels is need to prevent this from happening.
The e-mails were stolen in an attempt to discredit the IPCC and put a damper on the United Nations Climate Change Conference, currently underway in Copenhagen, Denmark, but are likely to have little effect. This theft, and its response from climate change skeptics, only demonstrates the dysfunctional denial and short-sighted greed of the oil and coal companies, which make huge profits from products that are causing global warming and have no desire to change the way they do business.
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Well, haven't you just missed the point entirely? Unlike you, I'm qualified; unlike you, I've read the emails; and unlike you, I appreciate their significance. Read Lawson's book, wake up and stop doing your little bit to perpetrate this nonsense. And, contrary to your belief, I'm not in the pay of any oil or coal company - but neither am I handed out a holiday fund by some pseudo-research body. Who's paying you to regurgitate this garbage?
Don't listen to these liberal hacks as they spew the same talking points defending the crooked science of AGW. READ the mail yourself and decide for yourself. Check out climate hyphen gate dot org for yourself!
"dysfunctional denial"?
Pot meet kettle.....
What are your sources for your “Facts“? The discredited CRU? The fact is that global temperatures have trended down since January 1998. That’s when global warming stopped, as discussed in Kevin Trenberth’s Oct 12 2009 email “The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.”
None of their computer models had predicted this.
Science is a labor in search of truth thru proof. Paraphrasing Einstein “it doesn’t matter how may scientists prove me right, rather it only takes one to prove me wrong”
This is where science and the CRU part ways and it is very easy to prove.
The CRU temperature dataset uses surface based temperature thermometers which are easier to manipulate as well as being subject to area “noise” influenced by their specific placement. But there is another dataset which is not influenced by manipulation and interferences and that is the satellite record, which, at great cost, began in December of 1978,
This is the "maybe the scientists were bad but the science is good" ploy being floated about. Don't buy it; all the AGW science is fraudulent. There is only Mann-made global warming (as in Micheal Mann of hockey-stick fame).
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Unfortunately, the CRU has removed their global temperature dataset, (I wonder why),
So to compare, we are left with their “sister” dataset at NASA, ala James Hansen.
If you were to graph these two datasets from January 1998, you would find that the NASA surface based dataset shows temperatures trending UP while the Satellite dataset shows a DOWNTREND. In fact the difference projects out to be 1/3 C deg difference per decade. Doesn’t seem like much but over a 100 year period it would show a difference of over 3 deg C. These are the facts and anyone with a graph program can check for themselves.
By definition it is a scientist duty to be skeptical. Unfortunately, after reading 100’s of these emails, it’s apparent to me that these “so called” scientists objective was to keep the truth from getting out as well as discrediting the truth seekers. The result of the leak has now changed the "believers into deniers" of which you seem to be one.
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By the way, I receive no funding from big oil, but do detest paying big bucks for a gallon of gas.
READ ALL THE EMAILS. And quit spouting the party line.
Thanks, Dave, for letting in a bit of fresh air to an overheated topic. I also would like to know who is funding all of the skeptic trolls out there.
The hidden agenda of the AGW scam: by globalists for globalists - to achieve cap-and-trade and carbon taxes on the "rich industrialized nations" so as to funnel money to third world nations and tinpot dictators around the world - while "Green" companies and others make a killing of of wind turbines and so on. The UN wants money (to the tune of around $350 billion per year at a 2-3% global carbon tax) to be funneled to those countries.
No bailouts for banana republics and countries controlled by tinpot dictators!
I would like to know who is funding all of those trolls who deny that AGW is a con game.
A few things left unanswered: CO2 levels were much higher long ago than they are now and levels have risen and fallen since then, even long before the advent of the industrial age. Has any scientist found one of those SUV's that dinosaurs drove? Have they found any of the dinosaurs coal-fired power plants?
Have scientists made contact with the aliens on Jupiter, Mars, Pluto and elsewhere that are causing temps to rise on those planets? Those planets (according to NASA ) are and have been warming. Mars ha a melting ice cap. Hmmm. Must be from coal-fired power plants on Mars.
We all want a cleaner environment. Just don't use the con game of AGW to accomplish it.
Tell people the truth - that AGW is a scam - and they will do their part to help clean up the environment.
Why don't the alphabet networks report this news? "Denmark rife with CO2 fraud" Google the headline, as this site will not allow posting URL links.
For more info about this fraud against taxpayers go to ClimateDepot dot com.
For a truly eye-popping example of short-sighted greed, look at the business interests of millionaire IPCC chairman and railway engineer Rajendra Kumar Pachauri ("A busy man", Richard North, on the EUreferendum site).
And after you learn that one of the prime architects of the global scam that is AGW has made his career in the oil and gas industry then maybe you can eat your stupid words connecting the "short-sighted greed" of the fossil fuel industry with climate sceptics.
I've also plotted tne NOAA dataset and it is just as corrupt.
Only the (UAH)Satellite dataset remains above reproach which is why this whole things is going to crash and burn. Jump ship Dave.... It's sinking!
1) the evidence of global warming is overwhelming
Yes, that is the consensus -- between both the AGW proponents AND most of the scientists who are skeptical of the AGW hypothesis. Non-issue.
2) the 10 hottest years have all occurred since 1997
1 of 3 decades monitored thus far by satellites since 1979. 1998, the hottest year (in thirty years only) was caused by EL Nino, and NOT AGW.
3) glaciers are retreating…
As they have been since the Little Ice Age. But not in the Himalayas, and not on the whole.
4) and sea levels are rising
4mm/yr, same as before, since the LIA, and right on target
5) and the CRU's findings are consistent with NASA and NOAA
Nothing is as it seems. Like CRU, there are serious problems with ALL ground temp data records, including the NOAA's and NASA’s. And, like CRU, all the raw data is now "value added", "quality controlled", and ultimately "homogenized" beyond all recognition". See wattsupwiththat for details.
Thanks, Dave, for letting in a bit of fresh air to an overheated topic. I also would like to know who is funding all of the skeptic trolls out there.
Steve Douglass.... And you get your info from CRU/NASA/NOAA and its affiliates? Nice try! You have been brainwashed.
Steven Sorry, to quick on the draw before I read the last paragraph... You are CORRECT sir!
Global taxes and global government, Yay!!!
Anyone trying to cover this up without really having an understanding of the underlying agenda is in for a really hard awakening, and it is coming VERY FAST.
Weed out the weedlings, so says Pink Floyd... We, the 'commoners' will have our voices heard and we will DEMAND transparency from not only OUR 'gov', but also the UN--which should be highly suspect in anything it does.
Swine Flu Hoax... billions made/no pandemic (even after level 6)
Food programs... billions made/continued food shortage/tyrants stole food, some rotted
AGW... billions made/sovereignty lost/freedoms lost/industry stifled and NO REDUCTIONS, only transfers of carbon credits (profiteering)
A FEAR MONGERING MSM and their boys/girls that is set to make money should speak loud and clear to any thinking person. I'll make you afraid, and I'll cash in off your fears has become overused and the RUSE is up.
You should really do some research or find someone qualified on this subject before spouting off! I Beleive we as a country need to move away from fossil fuel, but it should be done honestly without infringing on our consitutional rights! We need to this with a free market, make alternative affordable!
For AGW, check the facts A paper published in Nature Online says the polar ice caps was formed when the CO2 level was at 760ppm, our current level is at 380ppm, human contribution is .017 of a percent. So if how long will it take us to reach the tipping point at the current rate? It will be awhile!
tax fraud stemming from the Danish CO2 quota register
Denmark is the centre of a comprehensive tax scam involving CO2 quotas, in which the cheats exploit a so-called ‘VAT carrousel’, reports Ekstra Bladet newspaper.
Police and authorities in several European countries are investigating scams worth billions of kroner, which all originate in the Danish quota register. The CO2 quotas are traded in other EU countries.
Denmark’s quota register, which the Energy Agency within the Climate and Energy Ministry administers, is the largest in the world in terms of personal quota registrations. It is much easier to register here than in other countries, where it can take up to three months to be approved.
Ekstra Bladet reporters have found examples of people using false addresses and companies that are in liquidation, which haven’t been removed from the register.
One of the cases, which stems from the Danish register, involves fraud of more than 8 billion kroner. This case, in whic
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haven’t been One of the cases, which stems from the Danish register, involves fraud of more than 8 billion kroner. This case, in which nine people have been arrested, is being investigated in England.
The market for CO2 trade has exploded in recent years and is worth an estimated 675 billion kroner globally.
Please explain the climate warming between 800-1300AD and how Greenland was named to reflect the reality; it became literally green. There were no cars, no coal burning in huge powerplants; yet, that was a 500-year span.
Furthermore, the oceans are cooling according to NASA data. Imagine 80% of the earth with the ability to collect heat from the sun; yet, it's cooling.
Frank, actually that is a bad example because Eric the Great named that to distract people from moving to Iceland and get them to move to Greenland instead. Iceland was actaully the warmist. But still you are right about the Med Evil warm period, it got deleted!
Steven Sorry, to quick on the draw before I read the last paragraph... You are CORRECT sir!
Actually, Dave you are incorrect.
The climategate emails simply validate the mission of Steve McIntyre, and Anthony Watts, (among others) who have found ERRORS in some climate data used both by CRU and NASA. That two relative amateurs have found real problems with data quality which DID effect the outcome of the climate graphs presented by CRU and NASA--which intern was used for POLICY CHANGE, makes Climategate ALL THE MORE RELEVANT.
It certainly has warmed in the last 30 years, but it peaked in 1998-2002, and it has started to cool--These are facts my friend. If it is the warmest in 100 years today, that is because 100 years ago, we were just beginning to thaw out the miniature ice age, which "coincidentaly" corresponded with a solar minimum.
The idea of C02 increase in the atmosphere creating a warmed planet via the human intelligences at large is a PLAUSIBLE theory, but real world hands on science shows this c02 effect to be very minimal compared to the brute nature of th
Fedosov, you are correct,but may I add if the solar activity is the main climate driver NASA studies have suggested we are now going into another mini ice age or Ice Age! They have stated that this is the lowest solar activity on record!
The reason the AGW crowd is in such a hurry, they know soon the full effects of the current solar minimum will hit us and knowone will believe the earth is warming from AGW! And if they can get something signed now they will be the heroes, of course the earth will cool anyway with or wothour them!
Anyone see that crazy thing in Norway? Wild, just wild.
Steven Sorry, to quick on the draw before I read the last paragraph... You are CORRECT sir!
Thanks, Dave, for letting in a bit of fresh air to an overheated topic. I also would like to know who is funding all of the skeptic trolls out there.
Deny Climategate as much as you want. Doesn't change the facts that the "scientist" were gaming not only the data but the peer review process.
Whether or not there is "Man Made" global warming or not this scandal is a serious black eye and any impartial person with a scientific background should be disgusted with the abuse of the scientific method and peer review process.
The debate is not over. It never has been despite whatever the CRU/IPCC and Gore say.
We have now had ClimateGate, NASAgate and next Carbon DerivativesGate. Google: Carbon Derivatives to see how this scam works.
Steven Sorry, to quick on the draw before I read the last paragraph... You are CORRECT sir!
@Dougetit you have posted the same comment several times now. Are you trying to bury comments that you don't like? Just curious.
At best there is some regional warming. Why are we getting caught up in the speculative problem of AGW when there are real problems and very tangible suffering all around us. Where are your priorities man - 17,000 children died today from hunger. How many countless millions of people without adequate healthcare, shelter or ready access to clean water. You want to save the planet - try saving a few children first you POS.
Just to hit a couple of highlights:
The "trick" to hide the decline" was NOT a 'mathematical technique' but rather a VISUAL TRICK to HIDE THE DECLINE.
Or the fun ones like, 'We cannot give you our data because we have non-disclosure agreements with the source nations, but we, errr, lot those non-disclosure agreements so we cannot even remember with whom we have them.'
Or if that doesn't work, 'We lost the data.'
'We didn't massage the data, but we can't prove that since we losetit, and despite the missing agreements we can't remember who made us promise not to disclose.;
If you think the original data was any good try this:
www.surfacestations.org
This is the situation of the US stations, but other countries are likely worse.
69% have errors greater than or equal to 2 degrees CENTIGRADE.
>90% have errors >=1 degree CENTIGRADE.
Not even 10% are acceptable.
When we are talking about a current temperature rise of 1.2 degrees centigrade this mean
Anom... No... Had puter hickup Why?
Bunch of geniuses at Copenhagen. How 'bout all those limousines? Cost a pretty penny in "dangerous carbon emissions." They didn't have enough in the country so they outsourced to Germany. They drove them there from Germany. Quite a few private jets were taken there too i suppose. lGood to know the kettle's black after all. Good to see that they're all as scared as they try to make us.
Check out this clown… what planet is this one on? I can’t make a post because I am NOT invited. Can someone please destroy this man… or at least wake him up from his dream state. I think he must be in bed with al gore and repeating the nonsense coming from the gores dream.
Confidence In Science Of Global Warming Grows Despite ‘Climate-gate’
By David Moulton
Director of Climate Change Policy, The Wilderness Society
Dave and this character should hook up since facts are largely in the realm of illusion with these guys. The pulse of the world won't be found on the dead issue. Start listening to the people, Dave... the people, not MSM, not gore, not hollywood, not investors, not the UN...
Is it really that hard to admit to believing a lie? Many millions are in the same boat, and largely because our gov did NOT do their job and investigate using all sources. Instead, the Global Gov UN was used... sickening.
We are missing the point. We have common temperature readings and tree ring data from 1856 2000. If we use regression analysis to predict the relationship between the two using this period there is no statistically significant relationship and we cannot interpolate prior temperatures back to 1000 AD using tree rings, or, how do we really know it was not warmer in prior centuries?
The really interest part is that the Phil Jones and Michael Mann used the 'Trick' of 'Hiding the Decline' by using tree ring data from 1856 to 1960 and adding (incredible but true) made up tree ring data from 1960 to 1980. This made the relationship statistically significant, but scientifically unethical and the CRU and Penn State know this.
After this was exposed they tried a new approach, they pressure tree ring expert Keith Briffa to produce new data. He did this by selecting the one tree ring out of a sample of thirty-four that fit the relationship, again, scientifically unethical.
You may bastardize words as you see fit, however the TRUTH IS out no matter how "inconvenient" it may be for Allgore,,, the sovereignty of the United States of America is at stake... I for one say NO DEAL!!!
Gore has too much at stake to be wrong with his green investments. he is the equivalent to a fire and brimestone doomsday pastor of the church. its a new religion... and its green. when it comes down to it, you are very old children. you are all grey idealists who want power in a very unorthodox way. If these men werent covering their tracks why won't any of these activists answer Steve McIntyre's questions? your blatant casualness of this whole situation mr.horstein proves that you are just as much a blind idealist as your peers. Too many hippies, too much acid. Your ideals ruin what it is to be american.
Typical liberal left.
A little fraud and corruption is "likely to have little effect"
The field of science has been infected with the stench of politics. AGW is nothing more than a political science campaign.
Keep on believing fairy tales, Dave Hornstein. The rest of us know the earth is actually cooling, and CO2 is NOT a pollutant and has a neglible effect, if any, on the earth's climate.
And now climategate has gone SERIAL: now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming.
"As Steve McIntyre reports at ClimateAudit, it has long been suspected that the CRU had been playing especially fast and loose with Russian – more particularly Siberian – temperature records. Here from March 2004, is an email from Phil Jones to Michael Mann.
"The crux of the argument is that the CRU cherry picked data following the same methods that have been done everywhere else... (Google "Climategate goes SERIAL")
Mr.Hornstein, I would like your response. "Climategate" is much ado about nothing !
Leading physicists in the American Physical Society Are Speaking Up for Scientific Integrity
Dear fellow member of the American Physical Society:
This is a matter of great importance to the integrity of the Society. It is being sent to a random fraction of the membership, so we hope you will pass it on.
By now everyone has heard of what has come to be known as ClimateGate, which was and is an international scientific fraud, the worst any of us have seen in our cumulative 223 years of APS membership. For those who have missed the news we recommend the excellent summary article by Richard Lindzen in the November 30 edition of the Wall Street journal, entitled "The Climate Science isn't Settled," for a balanced account of the situation. It was written by a scientist of unquestioned authority and integrity.
What has this to do with APS? In 2007 the APS Council adopted a Statement on global warming (also reproduced at the tinyurl site mentioned above) that was based largely on the scientific work that is now revealed to have been corrupted. (The principals in this escapade have not denied what they did, but have sought to dismiss it by saying that it is normal practice among scientists. You know and we know that that is simply untrue. Physicists are not expected to cheat.)
We have asked the APS management to put the 2007 Statement on ice until the extent to which it is tainted can be determined, but that has not been done. We have also asked that the membership be consulted on this point, but that too has not been done. None of us would use corrupted science in our own work, nor would we sign off on a thesis by a student who did so. This is not only a matter of science, it is a matter of integrity, and the integrity of the APS is now at stake.
That is why we are taking the unusual step of communicating directly with at least a fraction of the membership.
If you believe that the APS should withdraw a Policy Statement that is based on admittedly corrupted science, and should then undertake to clarify the real state of the art in the best tradition of a learned society, please send a note to the incoming President of the APS ccallan@princeton.edu, with the single word YES in the subject line. That will make it easier for him to count.
Bob Austin, Professor of Physics, Princeton
Hal Lewis, emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara
Will Happer, Professor of Physics, Princeton
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics, Hartford
Roger Cohen, former Manager, Strategic Planning, ExxonMobil
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