Rifqa, a born Muslim American teen, converted to Christianity and was allegedly threatened with death by her parents. She insists on saying that the Qur'an commands her parents to kill her. In her interview, she says, "You dont understand, Islam is very diffrent. If they love Allah more, they have to kill me, my blood is Halal now, because I have turned to Christianity, its honor killing, its in Quran, you dont understand". Rifqa Bary is absolutely right when she says, "you dont understand." However, the one not understanding what Islam teaches is herself and those who want to kill her (if any).
The alleged punishment of apostasy in Islam has no basis in the Quran and was not practiced by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). There is not a single verse in the Qur'an which commands the killing of someone who reverts from Islam. In fact, the Holy Qur'an announces the freedom of religion by saying, "there is no compulsion in the religion" (Holy Quran 2:257).
One definite verse that refutes the death penalty for apostasy is as follows:
"Surely, those who disbelieve after they have believed and then increase in disbelief, their repentance shall not be accepted. and these are they who have gone astray. As for those who have disbelieved, and die while they are disbelievers, there shall not be accepted from anyone of them, even an Earthful of Gold, though he offer it in ransom. It is these for whom shall be a grievous punishment, and they shall have no helpers." (Holy Qur'an 3:91, 92)
This probably is the most conspicuous verse about apostasy. Can someone even refer to a hint of killing in this verse?. If anything, it promises the life of an apostate by saying "then increase in their disbelief". If they were to be killed immediately then how could they increase in their disbelief? There are at least seven verses in the Qur'an that refute the alleged punishment of apostasy in Islam. On the other hand, not a single verse goes in its favor.
Advocates of the penalty of death for an apostate base their argument on the following verses:
But if they repent and observe Prayer, and pay the Zakat, then they are your brethren in faith. And We explain the signs for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their oaths after their covenant, and revile your religion, then fight these leaders of disbelief— surely, they have no regard for their oaths—that they may desist.' (Holy Qur'an 9:11-12)
This is the summit of their argument and even that goes against them. First of all, the fighting is supposed to be against the leaders of disbelief rather than the individuals. Secondly, the purpose of "fighting" is revealed in "that they may desist". So, if they were to be killed then how will they ever get a chance to desist. Most importantly, critics and ignorant alike forget the very following verse which further qualifies verses 11 and 12. "Will you not fight a people who have broken their oaths, and who plotted to turn out the Messenger, and they were the first to commence hostilities against you?"
The focus is to only fight those who were first to be hostile towards you. Is this not a policy America enacts? Or, any nation of the world? Does such a nation exist that allows another nation's attack, and does not respond? Why then, when the Qur'an mentions a law adopted by every government of the world, do people take issue?
Misinterpretation of patent Quranic verses by Muslim Ulema have not only lead to the unjust killing but have also distorted the image of Islam. Mis-interpreters of Islam are the real enemies of Rifqa Bary, not Islam itself.
For more information on this issue, please refer to:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Apostasy-in-Islam.pdf
http://www.askislam.org/religions_and_beliefs/islam/question_823.html
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Not that I think this girl is in any danger, but the author is being disingenuous. Most Muslims do not follow the Quran alone. There is a collection of hadiths in the Sunna that expicitly state that the punishment for apostacy is death.
Bob - I respectfully disagree. There are no such hadeeth or actions taken by the Prophet Muhammad (sa) that state that the punishment for apostasy is death. Aside from the fact that if such hadeeth did exist, they would be overruled by the Qur'an and be considered invalid or abrogated hadeeth, because the Qur'an is final.
That being said, please do share which hadeeth you refer to. Thank you.
Love4All, you are wrong. Bukhari, the most trusted hadith collection, states in that Prophet Muhammad said "whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him" (Bukhari 9:57). Bob is correct. Islam teaches that the Qur'an (scripture), hadiths (Muhammad's words), and sunna (Muhammad's actions) should all be taken as literally as possible.
2 faces of islam HIDDEN & MANIFEST? e.g muhammed in mecca Mohammed was told to be patient with his opponents in Surah Al Muzzammil (73:10) ‘And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity)’ Mohammed was told to speak pleasantly to ‘people of the Book’ (Christians and Jews) in Surah Al Ankabut (29:45)
2n face of islam in MEDINA
He claimed that God told him to kill his opponents in Surah Al baqarah (2:191) ‘And slay them wherever ye catch them …’
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God told him to kill whoever rejects Islam in Surah Al Baqara (2:193) ‘And fight them on until there is no tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Alla …’
God told him to fight the ‘people of the Book’ (Christians & Jews) in Surah Al Tawba (2:29)
Surah Al Tawbah 9: 12) “… Fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith [infidel] Quran Sura (4:89) They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they) But take not friends from their ranks unt
WHAT ABOUT THIS
SURA 9:5: …slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
SURA 2:191: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
SURA 2:194: And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).
SURA 4:89: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them
Also, check this website for the shari'ah rulings on punishments, including punishments for apostasy or even criticizing Islam: it is at IslamRevealed DOT com, under the heading "Shari'ah Law: Goodbye Freedom".
Orthadoxable - Please read the full context of those verses you cited. They are all commandments to Muslims when they've been offensively and physically attacked - in those situations they are commanded to fight back as a defense. Pretty standard logic.
IslamRevealed - yes, I was certain someone would quote that hadith. The full and correct version of that hadith is, "During battle, whoever changes his religion, kill him." Changing your religion during battle was treason. It would be the same as if we fought the Nazis and an American soldier decided to join with them because he realized his ancestry was German. In those situations, the punishment for treason is death. That's all this hadeeth is citing. And to this day, the punishment in America for treason is death.
And this is all besides the fact that the Qur'an categorically forbids even harming a hair on the head of apostates.
I feel so sorry for her, she needs a miracle. can you imagine a teenager losing her family, her friends, her life as a teenager
a cheerleader, everything for the gospel's sake. She is my hero and I pray that she can get out of this court ordered life, and get friends and fellowship once again. She has to be miserable like a little prisoner. Please pray for her.
Thank you for the article. Very informative.
I don't even think she knows what the word "Halal" means. Her blood is halal now? HUH?? The key adjective about her is that she is a teenager. She is so confused. Heck, we all were as teenagers. And most of us were also drama queens and kings. She needs to calm down, stop rebelling for having a 9 PM curfew, and get back to editing her facebook status with witty puns and other nonsensical things teenagers do.
Ayesha Noor you wrote 'The alleged punishment of apostasy in Islam has no basis in the Quran.' Would you please stop lying. You know the verses Quran 2:217 and 4:89 which are the basis for death for apostasy. You are playing the taqiyah game and you know what I mean.
Why even bother with the Qur'an? There are so many inconsistencies in the book. Have you read about Mohammed's background and how the Qur'an was written? That's another whole issue. Check out this link.
www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/contrasting-christianity-and-islam
NoLies: Verse 2:217 speaks about fighting not about apostasy. Here is the verse for those who are not familiar with Quran:
[2:217] Fighting is ordained for you, though it is repugnant to you; but it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing while it is bad for you. Allah knows all things, and you know not.
Verse 4:89 specifically talks about hypocrites, no mention of killing the apostates. here is the verse:
[4:89] What has happened to you that you are divided into two parties regarding the hypocrites? And Allah has overthrown them because of what they earned. Desire ye to guide him whom Allah has caused to perish? And for him whom Allah causes to perish thou shalt not find a way.
There is no need to comment on it, or is it?
Joe - the Qur'an is the one book of religion that has been preserved since it's revelation 1400 years ago. I've been on that website before and frankly the arguments are quite weak and non sequitor. The fact that there is only 1 version of the Qur'an worldwide is proof enough that it has never been change. The fact that 4 original copies exist from the time of revelation validates that it has never been changed.
Look up how many versions of the bible exist in the US Library of Congress. As of 2002, there were 2,138 different versions. Take your pick.
The author of this article is disingenuous.
I appluad the author to write on such a sensitive issue. Prophet Muhammad never sanctioned killing of reverts just because some one denounces Islam as his/her religion. Most Muslim clerics are confused with abandoning Islam and theact of treason against state. Every state in the world has strict laws againt treason, mostly death penalty if not life imprisonment, inlcuding US. Aove links provided by the author are 'the most sensible'interpretition of Islam.
I think you should rephrase your sentence: "The alleged punishment of apostasy in MY VIEW OF Islam has no basis in the Quran and was not practiced by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
You do not speak for all Islam, you speak for what you believe Islam is. Surely, death penalty for apostasy from Islam is applied today in Saudi Arabia on basis of Sharia laws you might not familiar with or you disagree with and therefore you see it as untrue representations of Islam. This is your perspective, not the perspective of ALL Muslims.
Now, you could say that the Saudi misunderstand Islam, which result that there is no one Islam but Islam(s). So your personal faith in Islam does not believe in the death penalty for apostasy, other Muslims believe otherwise.
Khaled
A Liberal Arab Muslim who do not believe like you in the death penalty for apostasy, but choose not to speak on behalf of Islam or ALL Muslims.
The fact that the world's eyes are on this girl is the only reason she may indeed be "safe." Had the eyes of the world been on Arizona's Noor Faleh Almaleki, she likely would still be alive as well, and let's not even get into the "honor beheading" in the Middle Eastern State of New York. Clearly, there's a lot of Islamic misunderstanders out there who just didn't get the message that Islam is the religion of "peace & tolerance."
MashaAllah. THank you for the article. May Allah reward you for this.
Salaam, my sister.
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Yes Ayesha there need to be a comment on it. Verses in the Quran are sometimes shifted a littlebit.
This is 2:217
They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.
This translation is misleading. e.g. ‘and dieth in his disbelief ‘ should be: and shall die as a unbeliever.
Part 2 is next
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This is 4:89
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them.
These verses are the basis in islamic law for death for apostasy for Rifqa. There is no need to lie about that. You either have a very enlightened vision of islam which means you belong to a tiny minority in it or you are playing taqiyah, that is for other readers who may not know what that word means, taqiyah is lying for the advancement of Islam. In this case taqiyah is allowed to create a ‘friendly’ atmosphere so that Rifqa is forced back to her previous community so they can perform the requirement of islamic law to her for her apostasy which is death.
"Love4All says: They are all commandments to Muslims when they've been offensively and physically attacked".
Like rioting over a bunch of silly cartoons? It seems it does not take much to offend many Muslims.
4:89 surely presents a problem for Ayesha Noor's claim. However, another problem is that we have the clear teachings of the Hadith in order to clarify disputes about the unclear teachings of the Qur'an.
Consider these passages from the Hadith:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
Sunan Abu Dawud 4337—The Apostle said: Kill those who change their religion.
Sunan an-Nasa’i 4025—Muhammad said: "After me there will be many calamities and much evil behavior. Whoever you see splitting away from the Jama’ah or trying to create division among the Ummah of Muhammad, then kill him, for the Hand of Allah is with the Jama’ah, and the Shaitan is with the one who splits away from the Ummah, running with him."
Sunan Ibn Majah 2535—It was narrated from Ibn Abbas that the Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
Does Ms. Noor understand the Qur'an better than Muhammad did?
The death penalty is standard, traditional shariah law. You may not like it, but the greatest, most respected Islamic scholars and religious authorities throughout the ages endorse the death penalty for apostasy. There are numerous sacred textual bases for this. Perhaps the clearest is the hadith which says: "If anyone changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him." What could be plainer than that?
So, please stop trying to pass off your own personal views as somehow representative of Islam. They are your views, and you are in disagreement with the sacred texts as well as with the greatest Islamic religious authorities past and present.
Acts - Allow me to explain why you are unknowingly spreading propaganda. I am about 100% certain you did not look in the hadith books yourself (becuase you don't own them and don't know where to find them) but got those hadith off of hate websites.
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” -- This hadith is INCOMPLETE. It is missing two words, namely, "During Battle." Look up the full hadith and you will find that Islam teaches that those who, during battle, turn against Muslims is given capital punishment.
Sunan Abu Dawud 4337—The Apostle said: Kill those who change their religion. --- Same as above. Every country in the world holds this law.
Sunan an-Nasa’i 4025—Again, in the context of a Muslim empire (like the Roman empire or British empire), if a body comitted treason and fought against the Muslims, then their punishment was death. America has this exact same law today, fyi.
Sunan Ibn Majah 2535 - Same as above.
Barak - Really? The "greatest most respected scholars?" Is that what you think Osama bin Laden is? A great respected scholar? Gimmie a break pal.
I challenge you to have the courage to look up that hadith in the actual hadith book. The full hadith cites "during battle." This qualification is that if someone commits treason during a war, they are to be killed because otherwise (as we just saw with Major Hasan), they will cause death. America holds this law, so does every country in the world.
Major Hasan committed treason, and if/when found guilty, according to Islam (and America), he deserves the death penalty.
You don't want to believe it, but this exactly is what Islam teaches.
Love4All,
I can't believe you just posted that. You think I don't have the actual books, which is why you thought you could add words that aren't there, as if I won't know any better. The problem is that I do have the books, and I copied them myself. The words you try to add are not there, and I'm disturbed that you're being deceptive. I'll share with you the complete texts.
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Narrated Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali; and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Messenger forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Messenger, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”
Ibn Abbas objects and says that punishing with fire is something only Allah should do. But he agreed that people who leave Islam should die. Where's the "in battle"?
Sunan Abu Dawud 4337—Ikrimah said: Ali burned some people who retreated from Islam. When Ibn Abbas was informed of it, he said: If it had been I, I would not have them burned, for the Apostle of Allah said: Do not inflict Allah’s punishment on anyone, but would have had killed them on account of the statement of the Apostle of Allah. The Apostle said: Kill those who change their religion. When Ali was informed about it he said: How truly Ibn Abbas said!
Where's the "in battle" part you talked about? And you accuse me of spreading propaganda, when you feel that you can alter Muhammad's words however you like?
Sunan an-Nasa’i 4025—It was narrated that Arfajah bun Shuraih Al-Ashja’I said: “I saw the Prophet on the Minbar addressing the people. He said: ‘After me there will be many calamities and much evil behavior. Whoever you see splitting away from the Jama’ah or trying to create division among the Ummah of Muhammad, then kill him, for the Hand of Allah is with the Jama’ah, and the Shaitan is with the one who splits away from the Ummah, running with him.’”
Where does Muhammad say that this only refers to someone taking up arms against Muslims? Where? Where?
Sunan Ibn Majah 2535—It was narrated from Ibn Abbas that the Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
That's it. That's the entire quotation. Where's the part about this only referring to battle? Are you more knowledgeable than Muhammad?
Here's another:
Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik 36.18.15—Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that the Messenger of Allah said, “If someone changes his religion—then strike off his head!”
Love4All, I know you don't want to believe that Muhammad commanded his followers to kill apostates. But it's as clear as day. If you feel you have the right to add words wherever you like, you could justify anything. For instance, suppose I want to add the words "Jesus is Lord" to the Shahadah. Would this be okay?
Friends, I invite you to consider what's going on here. Rifqa says that, according to Islam, she must die because she left Islam. And she's absolutely right. Ms. Noor then writes an article, and completely ignores (1) Surah 4:89, (2) all of the Hadith on killing apostates, (3) the commands of all four rightly-guided caliphs on killing apostates, and (4) the judgments of all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence on killing apostates. She then says that Rifqa is clearly wrong.
When I point out the ahadith that refute her position, Love4All deliberately lies about what's in the Hadith, thinking that I don't have the books right in front of me.
Is this what Islam is? A mass of deception and distortion and reinterpretation?
I'm sorry, but your reinterpretations and additions are not a source of Sharia law. But the Hadith is a source of Sharia law, and it's quite clear (so long as Western Muslims don't add to it).
www.AnsweringMuslims.com
Acts - Again, you proved my point. You got the hadith from a hate website. Thank you for doing so.
And you continue to fail to realize that Muslims always consider Hadith secondary to the Qur'an, a distant second. The Qur'an forbids compulsion or punishment for apostasy and any hadith must be taken in light of the Qur'an or rejected. So even if you do find some magical hadith (though it doesn't exist) to prove your point, it's still trumped by the Qur'an.
And if you want citations, you'll find one no better than this.
askislam dot org/religions_and_beliefs/islam/question_823.html
And if it wasn't already clear enough, here's a superb book written by an EASTERN Muslim scholar, addressing the very hadeeth you keep citing and giving an elaborated example of why your understanding is completely contradictory to Islam.
www dot alislam dot org/library/books/mna/chapter_7.html
I have been surrounded by Muslims my whole life; not just one kind of Muslim, but many: Salafis, Ahmadi, Shia, Sufi, you name it. One thing is clear: the ones who follow the true Islam are the ones who refer to the Qur'an, ahadith, and the consensus of the Ulemah (in that order).
The ones who do this UNANIMOUSLY conclude that apostasy should be punished by death. Never have I ever heard anyone add words to the ahadith as Love4All is doing. If Love4All has any integrity whatsoever, he will show a copy of the ahadith from a trusted website or book that adds these words.
Until then, I would call his objectivity into question and ignore his comments as biased propaganda.
To me action speak louder than words. I've lived in Saudi Arabia and I know many ex-muslims who've been tortured and killed by family members, Islamic governments etc all because they decided that Islam is not the religion that will give them eternity with God but Isa al Massehi will. Once you have come face to face with God through Jesus Christ, you will courageously stand up and declare your faith as this very brave, young girl, Rifqa is doing. Why don't you Muslims just leave her alone to worship as she wants?
Love4All said: "Acts - Again, you proved my point. You got the hadith from a hate website."
Did you even bother to read my response? I have all six collections of Sahih Sittah--Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan an-Nasai, Jami at-Tirmidhi, and Sunan Ibn Majah. I also have multiple translations of the Qur'an, Ibn Ishaq's "Life of Muhammad," Ibn Sad, many volumes of al-Tabari's history, all of Ibn Kathir's commentary, Malik's Muwatta, etc.
And yet you falsely accuse me of getting these ahadith from a hate website, when I got all of the quotations directly from Muslim collections of ahadith presenting the words of Muhammad! So you must believe that Muhammad's words are filled with hate! I agree.
Nabeel - I call your integrity into question because if you look on the Ahmadi Muslim website, they categorically reject death as the punishment for apostocy, and make clear that there is to be no punishment whatsoever.
There are numerous reporters of hadith, which is why one hadith can and often does have different words. Even the farewell sermon of the Prophet (sa), which was heard by thousands, has at least 3 different reportings.
So no, I am not trying to deceive, I am stating a fact.
However, you are flat out lying when you say Ahmadi Muslims believe that apostates should be punished by death. Sounds to me like you and Rifqa have something in common.
Look up, "Murder in the Name of Allah" for a detailed rebuke to your lie.
Love4All:
Although I respect MTA's personal integrity, his scholarship leaves much to be desired. In making his point, he makes no solid case against the hadith, nor does he appropriately address the concept of abrogation in the Qur'an.
Besides, referring to a modern Indian/Pakistani author and ignoring the entire history of Islam is no appropriate way for us to investigate an issue. To see a proper perspective on apostasy in Islam, refer to this article:
"The Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law" by well respected Muslim scholar Abul Ala Maududi. He discusses 1-The Qur'an, 2-The ahadith, 3-The view of the khalifas, 4-The war that Abu Bakr launched against the apostates, and 5-The modern consensus of scholars. That is how a good study on this issue is done.
Once again, friends, we see nothing but deception and misrepresentation from the Muslim side. Did you catch Love4All's reasoning? The Hadith on killing apostates are irrelevant, because the Qur'an is so clear that they shouldn't be killed. The problem is that the Qur'an doesn't say that at all. What do our friends make of this verse:
Qur’an 4:89—They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Here the Qur'an refers to leaving their homes to join the Muslim community, and it goes on to say that "if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them."
Now if any Muslims disagree with this interpretation, the solution is to go to the Hadith. And the Hadith are perfectly clear.
Nabeel - LOL< you cite Maudoodi? You mean the founder of the taliban? You mean the person sentenced to death for conspiracy to kill and genocide but Wahabis bought his freedom? Please, spare me his incompetence.
Read Murder in the Name of Allah and then come talk to me about Maudoodi. That book was sent to Maudoodi and he didn't even have the courage to respond to it.
Love4All--
I didn't say ahmadi's accept the death penalty for apostasy, I said the best ones are the ones who investigate the Qur'an, the ahadith, and the consensus of the ulemah. If they do that, they will come to a clear conclusion, as maududi did.
Ahmadis are virtually pacifists, an in being so they condemn Muhammad and all of his khalifas.
Love4All--
His methods of investigation are what I'm referring to - that's how you properly investigate an issue. His conclusion was valid. Stop playing on emotions and reputations and start following the facts!
How do you respond to the fact that Abu Bakr launched a war against apostates? And by a war I mean 10 different battles were fought throughout Arabia to kill apostates.
Love4All said: "Nabeel - I call your integrity into question because if you look on the Ahmadi Muslim website, they categorically reject death as the punishment for apostocy, and make clear that there is to be no punishment whatsoever."
But Nabeel never said that Ahmadis support the death penalty for apostasy. Here's what he said: "One thing is clear: the ones who follow the true Islam are the ones who refer to the Qur'an, ahadith, and the consensus of the Ulemah (in that order). The ones who do this UNANIMOUSLY conclude that apostasy should be punished by death."
So Nabeel said that people who base their views on the Qur'an, and the Hadith, and the consensus of the Ulemah are the ones who follow the true Islam. But that's not what Ahmadis do. Ahmadis follow the views of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and his successors, and they interpret everything based on the views of their leaders (just as we saw Love4All completely distorting the Hadith based on his Ahmadi views).
Acts - You are a pro at taking verses out of context. If you read the preceeding verse and the verse after, you'll find that this does not refer to apostates, but to those who break treaties.
The preceding verse says, "What has happened to you that you are divided into two parties regarding the hypocrites?" - i.e. God is telling Muslims to not be divided about what to do about hypocrites.
In the verse you cite, God says that hypocrites, due to their breaking treaties that they've agreed to, are deserving of death. (same rule in America)
In the verse right after, God says, "Except those who are connected with a people between whom and you there is a pact, ... So, if they keep aloof from you and fight you not, and make you an offer of peace, then remember that Allah has allowed you no way of aggression against them."
The ONLY requirement is that they keep their pact of peace, and that is it. God says nothing about "if they revert." It's amazing, this verse is just like U
Nabeel and Acts - Both of you seem like the same person. But even if you're not, coulda fooled me.
Regardless, if you support Maudoodi, you support the Taliban.
I'm offering you a comprehensive book, Murder in the Name of Allah, that your great and beloved Maudoodi was unable to respond to. And rather than trying to respond to it, you just glaze over it.
That, my friends, is the habit of those who are afraid of truth.
This'll be my last post on this topic, continue to post if you wish. I've made clear that Islam forbids compulsion in religion and does not allow punishment for apostates.
You two desire to create discord and hatred. May God have mercy on you for doing so.
If you have courage, you'll read the book I mentioned. If you don't, well, you won't.
The Muslims here seem to have no concept of abrogation. The problem is that abrogation is the method of interpretation laid down by the Qur'an itself.
Here's a short video on "no compulsion in religion." This is how it's interpreted in light of the methodology of the Qur'an itself.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFyVFjo5ak
And here's a video of the Muslim sources on apostasy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju3HsWLyVlQ
I've had "Murder in the Name of Allah" in my library for the past 20 years or so. I have read it before. It does provide a comprehensive view point.
I would like everyone to notice that "Love4All" did not comment on the fact that Abu Bakr, the second greatest man in all of Islam, launched a great war against apostates. He did so because of the clear teachings of the greatest man in Islam, Muhammad.
When will Westernized Muslims, such as Love4All, start telling you the truth about Islam? When they drop their Western morality and look at the entirety of Islam for what it really teaches. The truth is Islam is not peaceful -- it calls for the death of many, even if they have done nothing more than change their beliefs. When a Muslim condemns the punishment of apostasy, he is condemning all his khalifas as well as Muhammad himself.
*does NOT provide a comprehensive viewpoint.
Love4All says: "You are a pro at taking verses out of context. If you read the preceeding verse and the verse after, you'll find that this does not refer to apostates, but to those who break treaties."
The verse has nothing to do with breaking treaties. It specifically refers to people who "fly from their homes in Allah's way," i.e. people who leave their homes in Mecca to join the Muslim community. Then it says that "if they turn back" (i.e. if they try to return to Mecca), Muslims should kill them wherever they find them.
Flying one's home to join the Muslim community is not making a peace treaty with Muslims. It's making an agreement with Allah and the Muslim community, and the penalty for violating such an agreement is death.
Again, if you disagree with me, you have to deal with the fact that all of the Hadith, all of the rightly-guided caliphs, and all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence are on my side here. All you've got are the reinterpretations of your leaders.
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