"We will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
That statement was taken from an email written by Phil Jones, the director of the East Anglia climate center, to climate scientist Michael Mann of Penn State University. Jones's email was one of over a many stolen from the server of one of the world's leading climate change think tanks, the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University in the U.K.
The scientific community is buzzing over thousands of emails and documents -- posted on the Internet last week after being hacked from a prominent climate-change research center -- that some say raise ethical questions about a group of scientists who contend humans are responsible for global warming.
The correspondence between dozens of climate-change researchers, including many in the U.S., illustrates bitter feelings among those who believe human activities cause global warming toward rivals who argue that the link between humans and climate change remains uncertain.
"The files were posted on a Russian file-sharing server late Thursday, and university officials confirmed over the weekend that their computer had been attacked and said the documents appeared to be genuine."
The university issued a predictable statement about the theft, "The selective publication of some stolen emails and other papers taken out of context is mischievous and cannot be considered a genuine attempt to engage with this issue in a responsible way."
Ironic...because the emails document how those believing man-made global warming is a disaster beyond proportions avoid at all costs "engaging with this issue in a responsible way."
The emails (example below) discuss ways to shut out the opposition, "take efforts to make sure that reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations group that monitors climate science, include their own views and exclude others", and show that climate scientists "declined to make their data available to scientists whose views they disagreed with."
Science is supposed to be objective, rigorous, constantly changing and always improving. Global warming changes the game; scientists get research money based on how they feel on the issue. A group-think has developed forming a "consensus only" faction.
Not only that, but we learned over the weekend that the original data that the CRU has used to arrive at their conclusions has been discarded.
Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.
As Michael Crichton once said,
"The work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus."
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I think global warming is not caused by human CO2 because it shows that the climate change started before the 1940's
Warming my A%$ these poeple are purpatrating a hoax on the human race and shame on us for falling for it WAKE THE F%$K UP people!!
Before anyone gets too excited about the hacked emails, please read entitled "Climate Denialists Still Lying About CRU Emails". I would put the link but the Examiner doesn't allow them.
You can put the link either by tiny url or by removing the "http:"
just add the http to the followin - thedakepage.blogspot.com/2009/11/climate-denialists-still-lying-about and then the dot html.
The Earth has been warming since the last ice age 10,000 years ago . The ice that covered most of the planet has been receding too the poles at a constant rate . It is only now , with satellite imagery that the two polar caps are easily mapped and measured and the retreat of the ice is obvious . Now it has become a money raising venture for the scientists to keep those grants coming . Combine that with the "need" for a moon base , the "need" to drill through the ice on Europa and then try and colonize Mars , (a dead planet) they should be right for funding for some time .
We are just suckers .
Wanda, with all respect, the climate zombies would pounce on your remarks. The industrial revolution with coal plants were around way before 1940. Indeed, the cars since that time have at least contributed to air pollution. (I can say that - I designed cars)
Regardless of the climate debate, I still prefer to breathe clean air. That's why, in my opinion, clean air like water has to remain a separate health issue. I agree the climate changed on its own way before man entered the scene. However, that does not mean that mankind's works cannot tilt the scales and advance natural causes to some degree.
Still, I prefer to see the debate remain focused more on pollution. Problem is the EPA now has the legal authority, thanks to the Supreme Court, to label anything and everything a polluter. Get ready to get taxed for just being alive.
www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
"... if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn’t much to it."
He said/ She said-
Isn't the whole point of science that it's self evident? So you don't actually have to take anyone's word for it?- that's called politics and religion.
There never was any real science behind disaster-scenario global warming, I have never encountered a single believer who displays any actual scientific understanding of it themselves. They invariably just refer to some political/environmental institution's 'consensus'
They are not all stupid or vested conspirators- I think the intuitive feeling/guilt that our Co2 MUST be harming the planet - and/or the popularity of the ideology/politics of the 'solutions' just renders any actual personal scientific understanding irrelevant?
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