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Questions from a Muslim friend


 JM and Julie will attempt to model
fruitful dialogue between Christians
and Muslims

Julie Samia Mair is the Baltimore Muslim Examiner.  She and James-Michael have decided to do a series of Q&A articles in order to help foster honest dialogue and thoughtful engagement between Christians and Muslims.  Below is Julie's question to JM.  Be sure to check her Examiner page for her response, as well as future questions from JM. 

Julie asks:

"If God is omnipotent, why did He he take the human form in Jesus (pbuh) and die on the Cross for human salvation? Is not God able to do all things, including forgiving us for our sins directly? And how does salvation through Jesus (pbuh) interact with individual responsibility and accountabilty for our bad deeds?"

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JM responds:

Julie, thanks for this question.  It is a good one and one that cuts to the core of the differences between Christian and Islamic conceptions of God.  Before answering directly I want to make a couple of quick observations that serve to ground my beliefs and may help you understand where I'm coming from more clearly.

1. Whenever we ask a "why?" question about God, we must always keep in mind that the answer may not be forthcoming or it may have to remain in the hypothetical.  God is ultimately beyond our comprehension (something we both can agree on!), so His motives are not always clearly perceived.  My answer to your question will, therefore, be admittedly non-dogmatic. 

2. Christianity at its core is a religion of historical claims rather than philosophical maxims.  Theology flows out of historical events rather than preceeding them.  Thus, my starting point is the historical interaction between God and His people culminating in the person and works of Jesus.  From those events the Christian seeks to draw theological conclusions; but such conclusions are not the foundation.  Therefore, if a philosophical position which seeks to make sense of the events turns out to be wrong, it does not negate the truth of the events themselves--it just negates the theological conclusion in question.  This is why there can be varying degrees of difference among Christians when it comes to theology and philosophy and yet we can still maintain unity of faith.  (Though admittedly many Christians have not recognized this and been needlessly divisive and schismatic...as have, I'm sure, many Muslims of various traditions of Islam.)

So, to answer your question directly...

Scripture reveals that God chose to enter in to humanity in order to deal with the problem of Sin once and for all.  Both the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament affirm this, as we'll see shortly. 

According to the Bible, Sin is not just doing wrong actions.  Throughout Scripture Sin is personified as almost a living active force in opposition to God that humans have sold themselves under as slaves (see Romans ch.6 for the clearest depection of this concept).  In order for humans to be freed from Sin's grasp, the just requirements of God's holiness needed to be met.  Humanity had sinned, therefore humanity had to pay the penalty for sin. 

But since the penalty for sin is ultimately death and separation from God, this seems to raise a dilemma for God who had created everything good and who loved His creation--especially Humanity created in His image.  He cannot just forgive all the sin and evil in the world; to do so would be unjust.  Imagine a child-molester or serial rapist saying "I'm sorry" and the judge then just letting him go free.  That would not be a just judge!  How much more just, then, is God, the Judge of all the Earth?! 

So God had to punish humanity for its sin.  But this means that God's creatures--all of whom had sinned--would be destroyed by His judgment.  God, being all-merciful (something else you and I can agree on!) does not desire this to happen. In His love He desires to forgive, but in His justice, He cannot leave humanity's sin unpunished.  How can God punish sin in humanity yet still forgive humanity? 

That's the dilemma.  The Hebrew Prophets foresaw the solution and the New Testament records it taking place.  As a human, God would take the penalty for human sin upon Himself. 

Isaiah 49:5-10
And now the LORD says--he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength--he says:
"It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

This is what the LORD says-- the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel--to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers:
"Kings will see you and stand up, princes will see and bow down, because of the LORD, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you."

Isaiah 53:1-5 & 8-12
Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by others, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.

Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
...
By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.
He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring
and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.

Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

2Corinthians 5:14-21
For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.  Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.

And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Thus, through the life, death and Resurrection of Jesus, God was somehow, in some way entering into humanity's plight and fighting the battle on our behalf--except where we failed repeatedly, He won decisively!

This brings us to the second part of your question.  What does this mean in terms of us being accountable for our evil deeds?  Though this could well be deserving of a whole other article on the nature of Sanctification and Holiness, I'll try to give a brief answer. 

The Incarnation made salvation available to all who would lay hold of it through faith.  That is, God doesn't force everyone to accept His offer and His Lordship in their lives; rather, He leaves the option for humanity to continue going their own way and remaining enslaved to Sin.  However, for those who do accept His salvation, He indwells through His Holy Spirit and actually gives them the ability to live lives of holiness and obedience to His will.  This is what Christians refer to as "abiding in Christ" or "walking in the Spirit."  Those who claim to follow Jesus, yet do not walk in His ways are deceiving themselves.  Some Christians believe that such people were never truly indwelled by God, other Christians believe that they may have been, but have chosen to reject God and go their own way, thus putting themselves back into slavery under Sin.  Where Christians agree is that those who reject God through their continuing to remain in sin, whose lives don't bear the "fruit of the Spirit", will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1Corinthians 6).  But the good news is that all that is needed for renewed fellowship with God and forgiveness and cleansing from sin is for one to confess and turn away from sin, or to use the language of Scripture, to "repent" (1John 1:9).  The idea that someone can "just believe" in Jesus, while still living a sinful life, and inherit the Kingdom of God is one that is foreign to the Bible...but widely held among nominal Christians unfortunately. 

In his book "Let's Start with Jesus", theologian Dennis Kinlaw puts it this way:

The arm of the Lord, the solution to the problem of our sin, is none other than Jesus himself, the son of Mary and the Son of God.  When God could not find a human person through whom he could solve the human problem, he became one in his Son.  Paul felt the glory of this: "For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!" (Rom. 5:15)...And in that sacrifice of himself, the one untouched by the curvature to self that has doomed us all, took upon himself our guilt and our sin--our curse--and made possible our deliverance from the sin that brought his death.

The only possibility for human salvation was for God's holy-love to enter into a human person, to incarnate itself in one of us.  Therefore, the eternal Son, in whose likeness we were made, became one of us in Mary's boy.  The triune nature of the being of God and the personal nature of the creature made it all possible.  Only Christianity among the religions of the world is a religion of atonement; God himself can atone for the sins of his creatures.  Such an incarnation and atonement can occur in no other religion because there is no other religion with a triune God and with the biblical understanding of personhood.  [pp.131-132]

I hope this helps answer your question.  The topic of the Incarnation is one that has occupied thousands of pages over the centuries--and rightly so!  How much more unfathomable a topic is there than the nature of God's being??  Yet for the follower of Jesus, we must take the data that history has presented us with (namely His life, death and Resurrection) and use that as our theological compass. 

For more on the topic of the Incarnation and the nature of God, I recommend the following resources: 
"Let's Start with Jesus" by Dennis Kinlaw
"Answering Islam" by Abdul Saleeb and Norm Geisler
"Jesus Among Other Gods" by Ravi Zacharias
"Christianity at the Religious Roundtable" by Timothy Tennent"
"Understanding the Trinity" by Alister McGrath
"Paul Meets Muhammed" by Michael Licona
"God Crucified" by Richard Bauckham

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Comments

  • Pamela Luther--National Roman Catholic Examiner 2 years ago
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    What a wonderful idea for opening dialogue between Islam and Christianity! JM, your coherent response is excellent. Thank you for your excellent work!

  • James-Michael 2 years ago
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    Thanks Pamela. I'm looking forward to this interaction with Julie. Be sure to drop by her page and send her a note of encouragement as well.

    Blessings,
    JMS

  • Maxou 2 years ago
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    I must admit, this conversation is quite funny, for an atheist :-).

  • j. samia - Baltimore Muslim Examiner 2 years ago
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    Hi Maxou,

    Get ready for another good laugh then because I am drafting my response. :)

  • lifeisprobation 2 years ago
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    Well done!

  • Hugh Kramer, LA Atheism Examiner 2 years ago
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    Interesting discussion of the differences between Islam and Christianity although as an atheist I could say, as Michael Vick might put it, that I haven't got a dog in this fight.
    :)

  • j. samia - Baltimore Muslim Examiner 2 years ago
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    My response have been posted. See article: Comments to Methodist Examiner's 'Questions from a Muslim friend'

  • Erich Scherfen 2 years ago
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    Thank you for this forum. Although I feel that the internet is not the most spiritual form of communication, I think it's important to discuss these issues.
    Though I do not take the "Di Vinci Code" novel as complete fact, there are some unfortunate truths presented therein. One is that Christianity came to us via the Romans who used the "holy grail" of Democracy and voted on the status of Jesus(peace upon him) as Son of God at the Treaty of Nicea 385 c.e. Thus giving us the Nicaean Creed which has little in common to the words of Jesus in the Gospels yet more in common with "Mithra,"a Son of God worshiped by the Romans in the Vatican. His symbol was a Crucifix in the shape of a Capital "T.
    "Ironically Mithra became the physical incarnation of God on Earth on December 25th, Died for the "Sins of Man" on (Good)Friday, rose again on Easter Sunday.
    Other Sons of God: David-Psalms2:7 Solomon-2 Sam7:14 Adam-Luke3:32+many more. Other religions: Osiris,Krishna+more

  • Erich Scherfen 2 years ago
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    I meant to finish by saying that I feel it is the basis of all religions to worship the unseen "God al-mighty" rather than that which God has created.
    Even The 8th book of the Hindu Veda says("min katiman Rabbi Asti"), of God there is no shape, of God there is no from."
    Jesus who calls himself a "Servant of God(Abdullah or Obaidh)" in Mathew 19 16-17 tells us:
    "Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good?[b] NO ONE is GOOD but One, that is, GOD in Heaven."
    So here, Jesus like every other Prophet before him is saying, God Al Mighty is Greatest..Not Me!
    Just worship God al mighty who is neither male nor female, a Blackman,a Jew or white.
    In a nutshell, I think That is what the Muslims worship too...no? please comment.

  • James-Michael 2 years ago
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    Hi Erich,
    I'm afraid you've been duped by pseudo-historic claims. Please read my article which directly addresses the now-debunked Mithra/Jesus claims that are popular in this age of wikipedia 'scholarship': www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8276-Methodist-Examiner~y2009m4d20-Jesus-a-copy-of-older-pagan-religions
    Likewise, your information about Nicea is also incorrect. The issue at Nicea was over whether Jesus was "homo-ousia" (of the same substance) or "homoi-ousia (of similar substance) with God the Father.
    Lastly, Jesus' words in Matthew 19 are not a denial of His divinity. He is getting the young man questioning Him to rethink what he means by throwing the term "good" around. He's in effect saying "Are you sure you really know what you mean when you call someone 'good'? Only God is good, remember..." The fact that at the end of Matthew Jesus allows Himself to be worshiped is more than enough to rule out any compatibility between the Jesus of the NT and the Isa of the Quran.

  • Erich Scherfen 2 years ago
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    Christian History is difficult to argue, because it is largely prehistoric. Even Josephus' account of a great man who lived in Jerusalem has been arguably altered.
    From herein I would like to stick to the writings we hold sacred, rather than pitting Arnold Toynbee vs. Simon Mockley. It can become
    a debate of opinion rather than one of fact.
    Which version of the Bible should be used.
    The Duay version has six more chapters than the
    King James.
    Regardless, both(actually all)versions state
    about God-Hosea 13v4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no SAVIOUR beside me."
    In book of Numbers 23v19 God speaks of itself, "God is NOT a man, that he should lie; neither the SON of MAN, that he should repent.."
    Jesus called himself Son of MAN.God?
    The "Great Debate" is not whether Jesus is better than his spiritual brother Muhammad, but is any of God's creations on equal footing with God. I say no...please c

  • James-Michael 2 years ago
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    Erich, It's not as difficult as you may have been led to believe. The sources are there, the documents are accessible to anyone with knowledge of Greek...the problem lies in the many popularizers of revisionist history that make unsubstantiated claims and sell books based on them.

    As for the passages you cite, they make the case that YHWH is not like humanity in that He does not lie. However, the Hebrew Bible contains numerous occasions where YHWH appears as "a man" (i.e. His conversation with Abram before the two visitors went to Sodom). That Jesus claims equality with God--while also maintaining difference in identity with God--is something that even his opponents recognized (cf. John 8).

  • Erich Scherfen 2 years ago
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    If everything that I have presented is of weak narration or wikipedia-esque scholarship, then I must immediately assume that your congregation does not celebrate and remember the birth of Jesus, on the 25th of December(Roman winter fest, Mithra's birthday).
    Practicing the environmentally unfriendly German-Pagan act of cutting down pine trees all over the countryside for Christmas.
    Nor does your congregation in any way support the irony of celebrating the resurrection of Christ on the former Spring-time Roman Holiday of Easter.
    Also, I assume that Methodists are celebrating God every week on Saturday as the blessed 10 commandments tells us and not Sunday in which Mithra was celebrated.

    I can go on.

    To the Audience:

    Please, just worship God-Almighty, the Unseen, All-surrounding, All forgiving creator of the Universe, Who made Mary,Jesus, Muhammad, and Buddha. Beautiful Men and Women who claim no divinity to themselves, and are servants to God.
    Beautif

  • Elizabeth 2 years ago
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    Thank you Julie and JM for participating in this.

    Two comments completed on several postings:
    1. The Council of Nicea was indeed a watershed moment in Christianity. Its determination that Jesus was of the "same" stuff (essence) as God as opposed to "similar" stuff (essence) paved the way for a more unified belief system. Be clear, however, that this election to elevate Jesus to an equal standing with God and cement this doctrine as fact does not mean that it was, indeed, fact. If it were true, Jesus himself surely would have stated this (his divinity) to his followers. He did not. Of course, one can quote “I and my father are one.” (John 10:30) or "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) but these are not statements of divinity; only statements of union in purpose with the divine.

  • Elizabeth 2 years ago
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    Later in John (14:16), Jesus is even witnessed as asking for future guidance for mankind, “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.” What is the need for future comfort if the path to salvation is set for all time?
    2.) Regarding the “pseudo-historic” links between Christmas and pagan holidays. Just because some of these claims are erroneous does not negate that there is legitimacy in others. Any serious scholar would be hard-pressed to substantiate December 25 (or January 6th) as Jesus’ actual birth date. Do shepherds hang out in the fields at night with their flock during winter, as it says in Luke 2:8? “And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.” Probably not. They do that spring through fall. Are there other examples of the church appropriating pagan holidays for remembrance of important Christian figures or practices? Plenty.

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