Sadly, this is about a group that has been formed which has an international membership of 218,588 members. The group is called: "Soldiers Are Not Heroes" http://www.facebook.com/editapps.php?ref=mb#/group.php?v=wall&gid=2216265717 and it tragically and unfortunately puts a blanket of blame on soldiers without acknowledging politicians, leaders and the peoples of various countries who allow this to happen. This is no different than a group that is formed to put a blanket of condemnation on a whole religion, or group of people because of the color of their skin. Apparently, they feel that peace can be obtained by codemning all soldiers, which ironically invokes the very anger and hate that they seem to decry.
This writer has a question for them: If you think all soldiers are wrong for serving, do you pay one pennie of tax to the government that commands them? No, don't want to hear any back sliding because if you do, you're no different than Heinrich Himmler saying: I got one drop of blood on my collar but the war criminals who carried out my orders have a gallon of blood on their uniforms so I am better. That...is what we call hypocricy on a grand scale. I can understand if they want to stop war but to put this blanket of blame on all soldiers is not just wrong, it's hypocritcal.
Leonard Clark
Persian Gulf/Iraq Occupation III Vet
11-19-09
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LOL, they have about 10 members. They hijacked a Facebook group about teen dating and changed it to SANH. This is at least the third time they have done this. About 219,000 "members" of their group don't even know they are part of SANH.
We have a website as well. Thanks for the advertisement. It's like being impeached by Fox Nes!
They also have a missing childrens group on facebook. How scarey can that be.
They truly do not have 218,000 members maybe 4 or 5. The added numbers on the group is people joining to protest against them. Let's have them removed.
Wow! You're not generalising much with your assumption that the members of the group don't pay a "pennie" (penny) tax toward the governments that make these decisions for us, are you?
In Britain, 70+% don't want our troops out there fighting. So on this side of the pond, there's not that much hero worshipping going on.
Good to know the troops are trying to sort out a country who have another newly voted corrupt leader, eh?
What a waste of time and lives.
Long live SAHN!
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SAHN are a vile set of CULTS (sic). They takeover groups, thus boosting their 'membership'. Multi personality Facebook Trolls condemn opponents, yet thrive on the free speech that is defended by the military.
Square that circle ??
Yes Anna, you are soooo right !!!!
I think there's only 10-20 of them, each with implausably named multi personalities.
Soldiers ARE Heroes, XXX.
Why pretend to be someone else on Facebook ???
They'all DWEEBs ??
PS. Soldiers are heroes
What sort of muppet would use an alias on FB ? I don't belive you Anna.
The trouble with SANH is that they only use news items that promote their one-eyed view of the World. An old Soviet / Nazi trick !!
Anna could be right, SANH do sound like a cult. I reckon they may number 25 to 30. Don't know about the goat thing though.
SANH are behind freedom of speech, so long as you agree with them.
What a set of cults !!! lol @ sanh.
Well 'Bendy Bob Lovelilly', its true, SANH propogandists use multiple false names and YES, some are very strange Groove McTwang to name but one.
Your name is somewhat unusual.......
Just an observation xxx
SANH is full of Facebook Trolls the biggest, hairiest calls itself Anna Ng, many smaller trolls hang off its teats.
SOLDIERS ARE HEROES.
SANH will take over the whole World hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha........hahahahahahahahaha
In their dreams !!
Soldiers ARE Heroes !!!
Marvin is right, Anna Ng trolls the sites that are against her totalitarian group. She is one HAIRY trolling MF.
Soldiers are Heroes !!!
This group is intended to point out the absurdity of the many groups on Facebook that portray all soldiers to be heroes and shower the armed forces with unconditional praise.
Putting on a soldiers uniform does not make you a hero. Supporters of the group generally agree that the wars that our armed forces are participating in at the present time and in recent years are unnecessary and unjust. Therefore we don't feel that we should be pressured into offering "support" to people fighting and killing innocent people for causes that we don't believe in.
We recognise that the government are mainly to blame but also think that members of the forces need to take responsibility for their own actions in choosing to support these causes. Soldiers have free will and the opportunity to not sign/re-sign up if they feel they are being asked to participate in an unjust war, so they also deserve a proportion of the blame if they choose to stay.
We also find it amusing how so many of those who
Part 2.
We also find it amusing how so many of those who claim to "protect our freedoms of speech" tell us to shut up, or be duffed up.
Soldiers are not heroes. They can be heroes, they can act heroically, they can do heroic things - but the act of putting on a uniform for the next so many years does not make your life more important than others, it does not make your opinions and insights more worthy of respect than others, it does not exempt you from moral judgement. It does not make you a hero. And we should not fall prey to hero-worship.” ://whoviating.blogspot.com/2008/06/heroics.html
We are peacefully protesting against the groups protesting (with needless threats) against our peaceful protests against the forces!
THIS GROUP ISN’T A SOLDIER HATRED GROUP, JUST A GROUP AGAINST THE HERO WORSHIP OF SOLDIERS.
SANH talk bull.
That Lilly Cameron, though, you would, wouldn't you.
sanh suck, i wish.
She might look nice, Ivor, but I wouldn't bother, Lol@lilly
SANH Speak with forked tongue !!
Hmmm, fee fie fo fum, I smell a big fat hairy propaganda conTROLLer. It must be Anna Ng.
Soldiers are not heroes invites people to read their group desscription. We attempt at least to write legibly, not emulate a chatroom brawl, and to deliver political information.
Our group description has yet to be discussed by the whiners, calling "troll, troll" Come see our group and read what we have to say. Welcome invitation. There are a few in this thread that have not been able to discuss maturely (see below for examples) and whom were ejected from the group, to allow sincere discussion to ensue.
SANH do not have as many members as it appears. There group was originally a dating site which they hijacked. Lets not forget that the numbers are swelled by people who join the group merely voice disgust that it exists.
How do SANH fund themselves ?
If I put on an army uniform, does that automatically make me a hero?
That's the point of the group. If you're too stupid to see that, that's your look out.
Soldiers are not heroes invites people to read their group desscription. We attempt at least to write legibly, not emulate a chatroom brawl, and to deliver political information.
Our group description has yet to be discussed by the whiners, calling "troll, troll" Come see our group and read what we have to say. Welcome invitation. There are a few in this thread that have not been able to discuss maturely (see below for examples) and whom were ejected from the group, to allow sincere discussion to ensue.
Jane I concede that 70%ish of Brits are not happy with with a war in Afghanistan, but we hold our Government in contempt, NOT the Heroes who are deployed to foreign lands by an illegitimate administration.
The gun is more powerful than the pen. (Unfortunately).
Seems I have a few fans.
What would happen if I stopped paying my taxes? (I pay a lot), the true sufferers would be national health and education services. If you think that our taxes are solely used to fund illegal wars then you are truly misguided.
If I put on an army uniform, does that automatically make me a hero?
That's the point of the group. If you're too stupid to see that, that's your look out.
If I put on an army uniform, does that automatically make me a hero?
That's the point of the group. If you're too stupid to see that, that's your look out.
If people wear a uniform, to which they're not entitled. They tend to be shot dead, as spies.
Will the missing childrens site below be taken over to:
gid=78685565848&ref=search&sid=607756388.1902561993..1
This group go missing too?
www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=78685565848&ref=search&sid=607756388.1902561993..1
Hmm...
The group highlights the need to keep away from blanket hero worship. Every time someone repeats a soundbite or pro-war slogan, ie Soldiers are heroes etc, it helps to propagate illegal conflict and is, ultimately what helps to send young, impressionable people to their deaths.
You should realise that 218,499 members of that group were previously in a harmless group, before it underwent a name change into "soldiers are not heroes".
Additionaly, there are less than 10 real profiles who support the premise, the rest, like myself, are on there to support the soldiers.
Jake (troll) was military himself, Lilly (troll) enjoys provoking soldiers, Anna (troll) keeps the group going by using no less than 25 sock puppets & entices soldiers to the group by posting links to it in real soldier groups, thereby antagonizing them into coming.
The best way to kill a troll is to stop feeding it.
And Anna Troll is starving.
The troops and military supporters are the number one reason war continues to exists in the 21st century. Without the troops, there could be no wars. Thus, they are the ones with ALL the blame. Politicians can't force anyone to do anything. Troops go willingly to fight. Screw the troops! Support a cure!
Josh is naive.
People like him can't see that without soldiers, militia and other terrorist organizations would be rife. The IRA would control most of Ireland, the J'aish Armadi would control the streets of London & the public would live in fear.
Luckily for us, opinions like his are in the minority & we (the people) elected our government to control our military & should they send our troops into an illegal conflict, the blam. Should rest firmly on our shoulders.
The soldiers are not heroes group is nothing more than a troll group to antagonize people. Granted, it is the longest running troll group next to Get Huntley off Facebook but the Admin most certainly do not believe what they are trying to portray, if they do then it is not as venomous as they make out, how can it be when one of the main ring leaders is ex forces himself? He's delusional, i'll give you that but really I think that maybe he was stung by the military and this is some kind of revenge for not having what it takes.
Mctwang on the other hand is a law onto herself, she pushes boundaries like no other troll, a real credit to them by all accounts. The rest of them are possibly multi profilers, Juliet is probably Lilly and Anna (previously Regency) has numerous accounts. The NG family are all one person. It really is a lonely world for some.
This group will remain and continue to grow all the while they are receiving interest and attention.
The petition groups are also all the same team of trolls, recently outted as such and banned all members that dared question their authenticity yet they let the likes of Speed and NG to spew their hate all over the wall and in discussions. Not to mention the laughable articles by Miss Wright Wylde aka Lilly.
It is comical but at the same time distressing that they do it for the laughs. It's the families of soldiers who will be suffering their slanderous remarks. The Military themselves find we have a good laugh at their expense.
It is dubiously elected political leaders (with their paymasters) who ought to be held to account, NOT the Servicemen and Women.
Soldiers are Heroes.
"It is dubiously elected political leaders (with their paymasters) who ought to be held to account, NOT the Servicemen and Women."
The Servicemen and Women willingly obey those dubiously elected political leaders. The Servicemen are still humans; they have a chose. And they choose to follow the corrupt into whatever part of the world they get sent to.
That makes them AT LEAST as countable, if not more. This also includes anyone willing to support the United States of Terrorism such as the private businesses that make the military's weapons and supplies.
Part 2.
We also find it amusing how so many of those who claim to "protect our freedoms of speech" tell us to shut up, or be duffed up.
Soldiers are not heroes. They can be heroes, they can act heroically, they can do heroic things - but the act of putting on a uniform for the next so many years does not make your life more important than others, it does not make your opinions and insights more worthy of respect than others, it does not exempt you from moral judgement. It does not make you a hero. And we should not fall prey to hero-worship.” ://whoviating.blogspot.com/2008/06/heroics.html
We are peacefully protesting against the groups protesting (with needless threats) against our peaceful protests against the forces!
THIS GROUP ISN’T A SOLDIER HATRED GROUP, JUST A GROUP AGAINST THE HERO WORSHIP OF SOLDIERS.
SANH Group description Part one.
This group is intended to point out the absurdity of the many groups on Facebook that portray all soldiers to be heroes and shower the armed forces with unconditional praise.
Putting on a soldiers uniform does not make you a hero. Supporters of the group generally agree that the wars that our armed forces are participating in at the present time and in recent years are unnecessary and unjust. Therefore we don't feel that we should be pressured into offering "support" to people fighting and killing innocent people for causes that we don't believe in.
We recognise that the government are mainly to blame but also think that members of the forces need to take responsibility for their own actions in choosing to support these causes. Soldiers have free will and the opportunity to not sign/re-sign up if they feel they are being asked to participate in an unjust war, so they also deserve a proportion of the blame if they choose to stay.
Soldiers are not heroes invites people to read their group desscription. We attempt at least to write legibly, not emulate a chatroom brawl, and to deliver political information.
Our group description has yet to be discussed by the whiners, calling "troll, troll" Come see our group and read what we have to say. Welcome invitation. There are a few in this thread that have not been able to discuss maturely (see below for examples) and whom were ejected from the group, to allow sincere discussion to ensue.
When soldiers threaten to kill us for not hero worshipping us, they vindicate the group.
Im a member of the site and what i find hypocritical is the fact that the site says it wants soldiers to stop "killing" yet members have said they wouldnt be sorry if a snipr shot these soldiers through the head.Its a pity posts like that werent ejected from the group.
In fact the group "soldiers are not heroes" is not against soldiers as individuals!! it is against the fact that some soldiers become war machines and war criminals and all of us have noticed this in Iraq and in Afghanistan!! Soldiers became tools and subjects in the hands of corrupted politicians who have no principles but enslaving the weak!! Some people think that soldiers are good people and ignore their crimes against humanity!! What do soldiers do?? Do they plant trees??They plant hatred in the hearts of children,they rape,they kill,they toture,they slay,they slaughter...What do the American troops do in Iraq? What do they do in Afghanistan? What did they do before that in Vietnam and in Korea?? What happened to the world??How can people hide truth?? Some people think that soldiers are protecting their so-called civilized world,no one is against that,but does this mean that you have to oppress other countries??The war on Iraq was based on a big lie?
Ahmed, are you telling me civilians dont rape, torture, murder and slaughter? The only difference is those type of people dont wear a uniform.
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