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AP-Charles Schumer
On June24th 2009, New York Senator Charles Shumer, Chairman of the Senate Immigration Subcommittee, introduced a major seven point immigration policy objective. Among those initiatives was an amnesty provision. Senator Shumer put it this way; “All illegal aliens present in the United States on the date of enactment of our bill must quickly register their presence with the United States Government—and submit to a rigorous process of converting to legal status and earning a path to citizenship—or face imminent deportation.”
Since most Americans do not favor amnesty for illegals, it is no wonder that one of the leading political leaders in the United States Senate would be in favor of it. If you haven’t figured out by now that the will of the people is meaningless to these Democrat elitists, you have been living in a cave since the first bank was seized by the government last year.
Of course, everyone agrees that something must be done with the people who are here illegally. If amnesty is not going to be enacted, that essentially leaves two choices; do nothing and maintain the status quo, or begin deportation in earnest.
Liberals go convulsive at the mere mention of deportation, but I was wondering if it was actually practical. After consulting several authorities on the subject, I am convinced it is indeed a valid option, and the sooner the work begins, the sooner the problem will be solved.
Complete deportation could be achieved in the following ways
Strict worksite enforcement: Citizens and various websites are all too eager to identify workplaces that employ illegal aliens, yet the government remains reluctant to follow these leads in any meaningful way, and lacks the resources to do a credible job. In fact, trends show significant declines in enforcement for the past decade with minor upticks when the issue periodically reaches the front page.
This uneven enforcement must stop. If an employer knowingly hires an illegal alien, apprehension must be swift and accompanied by a significant punishment for the employer and immediate deportation for the alien.
Traffic stops: Instead of admonishing and harassing local law enforcement as the Department of Justice has done to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s office, the government could use this valuable resource to help apprehend those in the country illegally. Local and state law enforcement make 17 million traffic stops per year. A simple immigration status check on every stop could potentially yield a bonanza of arrests and deportations. One thing is for certain; we waste 17 million opportunities a year to apprehend these criminals.
Revise the “anchor baby” laws: Perhaps the most devastating and attractive aspect of immigration law violation is an interpretation of the 14th amendment which has been used as justification for immediate citizenship for children born to illegal aliens while on American soil. However, this provision was written to ensure that children of emancipated slaves could not be denied citizenship. By clarifying this interpretation, one of the primary motivations for entering the country illegally would be removed. It is within Congressional authority through legislation to restate that this provision does not apply to illegal immigrants.
These are but a few of the many proposals being discussed to address this threat to our financial well being as a nation, our security, and our culture. When the next phase of this debate arises, let us hope our leadership has the courage to discuss these and other ideas that will have a meaningful outcome.
Comments
I agree with everything said in this article. Illegal aliens came here one at a time. They can be deported, one at a time. Americans must demand ZERO tolerance towards illegal immigration.
William, I am in complete agreement. Law enforcement must be given authority to question and deport. The Justice Department and Homeland Security must take a hands-off approach to local enforcement. Lastly, there must be a physical barrier - a real fence, guarded 24/7 and strong disincentives for returning after deportation. Eliminate the anchor baby "entitlement". My mind simply cannot comprehend the liberal thought process. Illegals costs billions in emergency care, welfare, housing, law enforcement and education, not to metion taking jobs that more than nine precent of Amercica might find currently appealing. At a time of staggering deficits and unemployment about to top ten percent, how can the country - the country and not just democrats - possibly benefit from amnesty? I'll answer my own question... If 13 million are made citizens, maybe 25% will go to the bi-lingual ballots and vote for dems - exactly what they want. Do the math. It certainly isn't rocket scienc
The title itself answers the motive. But, taking into consideration the onesidedness of the analysis defeats the fact that economic reality comes into play when deciding a major policy that deals with these illegals. I'm in no way a liberal by brand but a human who understand the value of a person when it comes to economic viability of a nation. Try to ponder on using a rational way of thinking rather than emotional and hate-filled analysis of the situation. I agree that illegal immigration must be reduced if not stopped completely. Butin the real sense use these resources to harness their economic value rather than add to the the non-sense cost of deporting them.
Where are you going to put the prospective deportees after you pick them up at the traffic stop? Remember the deportation procedure can take months or even years.
So, if you round them up and deport them, who will fill our future labor shortage when the millions of Baby Boomers retire? This is something the conservatives never address.
I believe the government estimate is in the neighborhood of a 12 million worker short fall (even if the current illegal immigrants stay.) The need will be greatest in health care. Of course, we always need doctors and nurses, but low-level care givers (nursing home aides, orderlies, home health, hospice workers) also will be necessary to take care of the millions of boomers with dementia or chronic illnesses due to poor lifestyles.
I think the point is that 13 million people didn't all come here at once. If they came here in small groups they can be deported in small groups. I sense that once it was accepted that the government was serious, many of the illegal aliens would leave on their own accord.
WOW! I'm amazed at the total ignorance of this article. Does any of you know what that would do to our society as a nation? I guess not becasue all of you posting here have nothing to worry about your families or friends. I got a better idea why don't we put every one smoking pot or drinking and driving put in jail for five years right away and put traffic stops to do just that. I think our cities will be much cleaner and free from bigots like Mr Busse. immigration is not some fiction story or we are not talking about insects or animals we are talking about kids, women, innocent men effecting by it. God Help us.
The facts are if we crack down on the businesses that hire them and impose large fines THESE PEOPLE WILL SELF DEPORT! If no one is picking up the tab for medical care, food assistance and schooling they will leave.
Hey, lets try to figure out why the federal government is subverting its own law? They bewilder me why they support the "bad guy" and not the good Sheriff. I see Phoenix turning into a spanish speaking border-like town. Sure there's protected areas with higher costs of living, but the feds don't seem to recognize the results of their indifference to the illegal entry of those spanish speaking foreigners. Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, At what consequence for their cheap labor cost are they destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living? I'm no racist, just offended when going into any hair cut shop on 19th avenue and told I need to learn spanish!
Illegal aliens are not criminals.
It shows the level of the knowledge of the writer. He is completely uneducated as to the law of this land.
All Alien are considered applicatiants according to the Law of USA. entrying the country without visa is an administrative violation , not a criminal offense.
An immigration policy of "Attrition through enforcement" will work. Ending the job magnet with a mandatory E-Verify program has always been the answer to getting foreigners who do not belong here to self deport.
This is for JILL...
WOW, I'm amazed at YOUR total ignorance on the topic!! The point is that ALL countries (even the U.S.) have the sovereign RIGHT to decide who can be in the country. You are looking at this issue solely from the 'humanist' POV. These are people that are in violation of our laws and should NOT be granted any form of amnesty. Amnesty only creates a continuation of itself and does not lead toward a solution. Of course, your solution is to allow illegal aliens to either just simply remain (illegally) or to provide a legal status. So, in 10 years when the borders have never been made secure and there are another 10 million illegal aliens - what then?
lash:entering the country illegally is a crime;title 8 sec.1325 US code.Being caught in the interior is not a crime,but if one has been deported before,it is a felony whether one has been caught in the interior or at the border. The only time it is not a crime is when one is caught interior;all othr circumstances it is either a misdemeanor or a felony:do your research before you post.
This is for PAMELA...
Who will fill the 'future labor shortage' when Baby Boomers retire?
Hmmm, how about the the 30 MILLION unemployed U.S. legal residents & citizens? The illegal aliens that you refer to in your comment wherein you state that they could become healthcare workers will require training, just who will pay for that training...you...the taxpayers?
In your suggested scenario, training for millions of illegal aliens should be paid for so that they can take care of you when you become demented or too fat to walk anymore?
Why would you want someone who we have no idea who they really are working in an industry that provides them access to drugs - and is entrusted to provide life-sustaining care to you when you are no longer able to. These jobs require either certification or licensing...should we certify or license people with unknown backgrounds?
Bill Clinton introduced the concept of 'WORKfare' vs Welfare...these are your prime healthcare worker candidates.
What B.S. The government can do whatever it wants to, including mobilizing hundreds of thousands of troops in a matter of weeks to fight thousands of miles away. Of course they can deport millions of illegal aliens. How? Just take away their jobs and give them to those Americans who need jobs and have paid taxes to this country for years. Gee, what a radical idea. But no, these politicians always, ALWAYS, put illegal foreign nationals ahead of long time taxpaying American citizens.
Jill, how about the thousands of Americans that have been "affected" by it? One hundred and seventy five, on average Americans are killed by illegal aliens every single week, by various means. Many run back to Mexico, for example, and those people who have been affected never get any justice. You're just advocating for endless lawlessness in this country, because I have the feeling you really don't care about it or it's citizens.
This is for CARLOS & LASH...
You are BOTH wrong. Under 8USC1227, any alien present IN the U.S. in violation of the Immigration & Nationality Act is DEPORTABLE.
Also, while the enforcement of the INA is viewed as an 'administrative process', the Violator (illegal alien) has broken a FEDERAL law. Federal laws are NOT Misdemeanors.
Aliens are ONLY considered as applicants for admission when they present themselves at a designated port of entry and present the appropriate documentation to be reviewed by a lawfully designated official - which is ONLY a Custom & Border Protection Officer. Any other means or method of entry (Entry Without Inspection - EWI) renders the person as being Present Without Authorization (PWA). A person who is PWA is in the U.S. illegally (broken federal law), and are therefore deportable.
Check your facts first!
if you stop giving them incintives to come here, they might not come. and if you stop the free monies from food stamps, welfare and other programs, they might not stay. If you actually look into the status of a person and their living arrangements on the applications for monies, you will see most of them probably are lying on some part of the application. and since its for federal monies, Im thinking that could be a violation of federal laws.
If you make it hard for these people to work, and they cant make money, they would probably sell what they didnt want to take back to mexico and self deport.
pamela, how about their kids taking care of them, rather than continued govenment interference in peoples lives. That's how America used to be, and it worked just fine. It's like the underaged girls here in Los Angeles that have kids. They immediately apply for child support FROM THE TAXPAYER, and they get it, one of the reasons California is broke among others. How about their grandma, grandpa, mother, father, or even, God forbid the girls themselves take care of the kids. It should be a family affair. We don't need millions of foreign nationals illegally in the country if it's just going to make boomers and others lazier. Do we??
THEY CAME 1 AT A TIME LOOK AT WE GOT NOW? ENFORCE ALL IMMIGRATION LAWS MAKE MORE? ALLOW AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT TO REMOVE THEM WITHOUT ALL THE RED TAPE?SEND BACK 1 AT A TIME OR A 1000 THE JOB WILL GET DONE. REAL LEGAL AMERICANS ARE TIRED RESTLESS AND WANT IT DONE.NOW WHEN OUR POLITITIANS TOP TO BOTTOM OF PECKING ORDER FINALLY REALIZE THIS ?THEY MIGHT BE GETTING THEIR GOD RIDDANCE TICKETS OUT. AN AMERICAN>>THANKS YOU>AMERICA ALWAYS AMERICAN>>>>
I worked with two guys from Bosnia they said we are stupid to let what has happened here in the USA,then they said just watch you will have your Sarajevo America.
Nero is busy but Rome is burning.
13 million? That's the number the government has been using for at least the last five years. Try 40 million...it's all in Tancredo's book. They can be sent back one at a time, just like they arrived.
Larry Brown is right about ATTRITION THRU ENFORCEMENT, but he needs to expand on that for deportation and self-deportation to work. First, the number is 30 to 40 million illegals, maybe more. So drop that "12 million" figure, please.
Here is something that no one else seems to be discussing. The Governors of each state are the law enforcement leaders of each state. They can write EOs just as Bush and Obama have and they don't need their liberal legislatures to agree to them. If Ahnold and over "invaded state governors" were to get their fat butts from behind their desks and go on a press-covered speaking tour of their states, telling the illegals in their states to "get out in 90 days or face severe jail time" (with Spanish interpreters by their sides), the millions of illegals would be making a bee line for the Border. Those who own homes would be able to put them up for sale and be assured that the money from the sales would get to them, minus real estate fees. This is doable.
Since our politicians and bureaucrats have no problem with violating our laws in order to pander to illegals, it stands to reason our citizens have an equal right to violate our laws in order to target illegals. Once we make illegals fear more for their lives than lust for our jobs, housing, and welfare services then, and only then, will they return to their own countries.
pamela says:
"So, if you round them up and deport them, who will fill our future labor shortage when the millions of Baby Boomers retire? This is something the conservatives never address."
We could simply increase the number of LEGAL immigrants that we let into this country. By doing this, it would be very easy to replace all of the illegal aliens that are currently working in the U.S.
Cut off all benefits and citizenship, give them no reason to be here. No education for their kids, no welfare, no jobs, no emergency care, they will leave. For those who think that is cruel, just remember...they came here knowingly breaking the law. They gambled and might lose. It is not our system breaking up families, the illegal parents took the risk of breaking up the family if caught. You play you pay.
"If amnesty is not going to be enacted, that essentially leaves two choices; do nothing and maintain the status quo, or begin deportation in earnest."
Actually, a third option is even better than those two options: Cut illegal aliens off from all jobs and all taxpayer funded social service programs. Along with this, crack down hard on employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. If we do this, illegal aliens will begin to self-deport by the millions.
lash says:
"Illegal aliens are not criminals.
It shows the level of the knowledge of the writer. He is completely uneducated as to the law of this land.
All Alien are considered applicatiants according to the Law of USA. entrying the country without visa is an administrative violation , not a criminal offense."
But after entering the country illegally, most illegal aliens commit one or more of the following CRIMES (most are felonies): ID theft, document fraud, Social Security fraud, employment "I-9 Form" fraud, income tax evasion, and conspiracy to violate immigration laws, to name a few.
Jill said:
"...immigration is not some fiction story or we are not talking about insects or animals we are talking about kids, women, innocent men effecting by it. God Help us."
Illegal aliens are lawbreakers who deserve nothing more than to be arrested and deported. So Jill, do you have any comments about Mexico's immigration laws which are a lot more strict than ours?
The Mexican government cracks down real hard on illegal aliens that they find in Mexico. I'm sure you find the actions of the Mexican government to be absolutely disgusting, right?
Illegal Immigration IS a crime.
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. An illegal alien is deportable if apprehended.
Could deporting that many be done, you betcha!
"Since most Americans do not favor amnesty for illegals"
NY Times/CBS Poll dated April 22-26, 2009; 65% would like to see undocumented immigrants legalized.
documents.nytimes.com/new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-obama-s-100th-day-in-office/page/16#p=16
Pew Research Center Poll: 63% of Americans Favour Path to Legalization for Undocumented.
immigration.change.org/blog/view/pew_poll_63_of_americans_favor_path_to_citizenship_for_undocumented
An April 30, 2009 ABC News/Washington Post poll finds 61% of Americans support Path to Legalization for Undocumented
www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1089a6HotButtonIssues.pdf
14th Amendment of the US Constitution;
Section. 1. " All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/
Is there any difference between the words PERSON and CITIZEN in the paragraph above?
Is an "illegal alien" a PERSON?
How can a person be an "illegal alien" if they are NOT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?
If they are NOT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", does that mean they can rob a bank with impunity? If not, then doesn't that imply they ARE "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?
The reason "birthright citizenship" does not apply to the US born children of foreign diplomats is DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY. This means that diplomats are literally not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
Your proposals for traffic stops will run into racial/ethnic profiling violations.
In short, you claim to want to save America...by destroying the Constitutional guarantees enshrined in our Constitution.
For if the 14th Amendment can be gutted by demagogues, how soon until demagogues weaken the 1st Amendment guarantee of free expression?
What about the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms?
@ DontTreadOnMe;
On Sunday, April 19, 2009, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary JANET NAPOLITANO went on CNN’s “State of the Union” and proclaimed that crossing the border is not a crime.
"crossing the border is not a crime"
youtube.com/watch?v=bTqim4Se70k
@ DontTreadOnMe;
Former US Attorney for the NY region Rudy Giuliani;
"In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it's not a criminal proceeding. It's a civil proceeding."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDo-ZVK4dc0
@ DontTreadOnMe;
Former U.S. Attorney Serving the District of New Jersey and current GOP nominee for Governor of New New Jersey, Christopher Christie;
"Being in this country without proper documentation is not a crime," Christie told more than 60 residents and town officials. "The whole phrase of 'illegal immigrant' connotes that the person, by just being here, is committing a crime."
Being undocumented may be a civil wrong, but it's not a criminal act, Christie said.
"Don't let people make you believe that that's a crime that the U.S. Attorney's Office should be doing something about," he added of entering the country illegally. "It is not."
www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/immigrants_and_their_advocates.html
Remember that you will have to racially profile WHITE PEOPLE to deport illegals since a 40% chunk of illegals are EUROPEANS with OVERSTAYED PASSPORTS AND VISAS.
Google the Orange County Register article entitled
"Visa Overstayers Fuel Illegal Population"
Dave:You are wrong. There are federal misdemesnors and there are federal felonies.Look at title 8 sec. 1325 USC. The #2 man in the justice dept.under Clinton was convected of a federal misdemeanor.
I see that Human League, La Raza's Minister of Propaganda, has shown up on this forum to copy and paste the same deceptive, biased, and manipulated "facts" and "statistics" on the subject of illegal immigration. Human League seems to think that he can convince Americans that having 15-20 million illegal alien lawbreakers in this country is good for the United States.
Human League says:
"Your proposals for traffic stops will run into racial/ethnic profiling violations."
Pure La Raza propaganda.
The 14th Amendment is currently misinterpreted to give citizenship to children born in the United States of illegal alien parents, which Congress can easily correct.
The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons".
It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the U.S.
Human League says: Is an "illegal alien" a PERSON?
Yes, an illegal alien is a person, a person who didn't use the front door to get here.
Human League says:How can a person be an "illegal alien" if they are NOT "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?
The illegal alien is legally under the jurisdiction of their own country, NOT the U.S. If they didn't come to the U.S. LEGALLY, then thats how a person can be an "illegal alien".....duh!
Can the U.S. compel an illegal alien to serve jury duty? NO. Why? Because they are NOT U.S. citizens nor are they under U.S. jurisdiction.
Oh, BTW, crossing the U.S. border Illegally IS a crime, already posted the U.S. Code for that.
Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause in the 14th Amendment, said:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States."
"Is deporting the nations 13 million illegal aliens possible?"
please try it....it should be fun to watch 13 million people be caught, fed, processed and transported...what is that, like 26 Woodstocks worth of people?
walrus, you don't understand. When they lose their jobs, that they shouldn't be working at in the first place, then the food, processing and transportation takes care of itself, because they are going to leave--by themselves. Americans don't need to spend a dime.
Bobby says:
"walrus, you don't understand. When they lose their jobs, that they shouldn't be working at in the first place, then the food, processing and transportation takes care of itself, because they are going to leave--by themselves. Americans don't need to spend a dime. "
Bobby, my bad, I didn't know it was going to be that simple.
Like I said, it's going to be fun to watch...I can already see Walmarts closing...apartments unrented...county sales taxes dropping...many used car dealers going out of business.
Those 13 million don't just sit in the park after a work day...they rent, buy clothes, hamburgers and pizzas, groceries, movies. tvs, dvds, etc...you would be taking 13 million people (buyers) out of the economy....renters pay rent, landlords pay taxes using that rent money...sales taxes will be missing those 13 million people.
Yeah, the economy could sure use taking 13 million buyers out right about now...it's going to be fun to watch.
Walrus, I see where you're coming from now. Suffice it to say that ilelgal aliens literally, SUCK, like a huge vacuum, the economy and social services of Americans DRY. BONE DRY. I only need to cite California, though I could cite almost anywhere in the U.S. where there is a large number of illegal aliens, that they never, ever, make up for all of the things they take.
If thirteen or thirty millions of them left, there would be stores closing, and some of the things you mentioned, but these things should not have existed to begin with. I'll give you an example. If Wall Streets criminal entreprise collapsed today, there would be some temporary difficulty, but since it's all built on the same kind of sham illegal immigration is built on, housing pyramid schemes, redistribution of Americans taxes away from Americans, and over to the Big Wall Street houses, or towards ILLEGAL ALIENS huge cost of social services,NOTHING WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE IN AMERICA, EXCEPT FOR THE BETTER.
It doesn't make any since to leave American birthrights so wide open to illegal aliens, this is their scheme and scam,their way of getting Amnesty for their born children by millions in America, Our weak politicians, will not stop them, giving bold, rude, aggressive illegal alien a path to citizenship will be a nasty terrible disaster for America! Obama, and other politicians are so very blind to this.
Our America is being giving to Mexico on a silver platter, and there are no clear thinking of our American politicians, they are in tiredly brain dead, they think that they are helping Mexico and America, if they pass such a stupid bill they are going to regret it, by then it will be to late for America and the American citizens. all they are doing is actually catering to illegal aliens schemes, scams plots and plans,it is not just about illegal aliens dreams of America, it is about them conquering America! they want America back! a path to citizenship will be giving it back to them!!
I was dismayed at the appointment of Chertoff thinking that was as bad as it could get....I am beyond dismayed now - I am disgusted that Janet Napolitano is the head of Homeland Security. Her decisions and actions as governor of Arizona were already a disaster which has now been compounded....Well, one good thing is that the latinos are so dissatisfied with Obama that they will guarantee he will not be re-elected...They have said as much....Hillary Clinton had to either be elected president or take an appointment such as she now has...Her total disaffection by the homosexual community in New York would have defeated her next bid for re-election as a Senator from New York...It is obvious from some of the comments that some new amendments to the constitution are in order...
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