It's been more than a few days since I shared my wondrous insights with my legions of fans here at the Examiner (does two people count as a legion?), and there's been a bunch of back and forth on the health care debate so far, so instead of doing some massive fact-laden post, we'll pick up this thing mid-stream and go with it (besides, the debate has devolved to the point where facts mean little, and are quickly ignored).
The quick point of this post...maybe it's time to quit even talking to Republicans about the problem and the proposed solution. As Senator Charles Grassley recently opined, it doesn't matter what's in the bill, this is about putting Obama in his place.
When NBC's Chuck Todd, in a follow-up question on the show, asked the Iowa Republican if he'd vote against what Grassley might consider to be a "good deal" -- i.e., gets everything he asks for from Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D) -- Grassley replied, "It isn't a good deal if I can't sell my product to more Republicans."
There reaches a point in any debate when it becomes clear that one party of the other is actually arguing about something else. Once this point is reached, it's time to just make a decision.
So far we've seen very prominent and unemployed Republicans opine about how the terrorist-lovin' Obama (he pals around with them, I hear) is working to institute a fascist/socialist/Hitlerist program in this country , where he will be killing old people and pushing abortion on everyone. He's going to take the guns away and blot out the Sun, from what I hear. Sure, none of this has anything to do with having a modern health care system, but that's the point.
When folks are talking about what health care is really like here, no one says that the system we have is beyond reproach. I've personally talked to folks, after the calm down and quit frothing at the mouth, that make suggestions for health care reform *that are already in the bill*.
When one side is saying that we need to reform a health care system that is currently rationed out to the point where 1 out of 7 red-blooded Americans get nothing, and the other side is carrying around high powered assault rifles to rallies, it's time to end the debate and bring it to a vote.
The Democrats have the votes needed to pass legislation. The Republicans have made this a proxy fight against Obama himself (very little they say, and their media motormouths repeat, has anything to do with the legislation as proposed).
Bring it to a vote and do the job the majority of Americans elected you to do.
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Government intervention in education has driven education costs up so high graduates are frequently in massive debt upon graduation. Government intervention in a takeover of healthcare will not decrease expense, it will massively increase healthcare expense. Government is not efficient with anything...look at your statistics and take the blinders off. Time to reduce government intrusion into our lives and our pocketbooks.
Government intervention in education has driven education costs up so high graduates are frequently in massive debt upon graduation. Government intervention in a takeover of healthcare will not decrease expense, it will massively increase healthcare expense. Government is not efficient with anything...look at your statistics and take the blinders off. Time to reduce government intrusion into our lives and our pocketbooks.
From what I've seen of the public/private college education marketplace, schools subsidized by government funds provide far better value (cost/benefit analysis) than those that do not.
For the very high end, private is the way to go. For those not born to legacy/trust funds or blessed with amazing intellects and wonderful parents, that's why we have the public option.
I, for one, would prefer to increase corporate intervention into our lives and our pocketbooks, and would prefer to give a government of, by and for the people the opportunity to compete in the health care system.
The U.S. is the ONLY first world industrialized country that leaves a huge proportion of their citizens to their own devices when dealing with health issues. It's time to catch up, and stop spending 3 times as much as everyone else on health services.
If you would like to provide precisely what "statistics" you are basing your argument on, please, feel free (because you are and live in a free count
Oops, pretty bad type there..."I would prefer to DECREASE corporate control..."
I seriously do not know why people think having companies trying to squeeze as much profit as possible out of sickness in control is a good thing. And a system that cannot be improved upon by competition.
I believe this is not a health care debate at all! It's about the size of government. It's about the extreme left cramming their idealogy on the rest of us! It IS about guns too, as it IS the extreme left trampling all over 2nd amendment rights! Much of the "flock" has been awakened, and is now asking all kinds of questions!
Such as; where is it in the Constitution, that power is given to any administration to intervene to this degree in health care!?
But the biggest problem is that there isn't even a bill yet to debate over!
Only those damn balloons, the administration keeps floating!
RickTV. Howdy.
"I believe this is not a health care debate at all!"
Ummm, interesting statement of faith. However, the rest of us are talking about the health care debate.
"It IS about guns too, as it IS the extreme left trampling all over 2nd amendment rights!"
What? Please provide some example of that. All I've seen is a some folks showing up at health care townhall meetings with assault weapons. What, where, when, has anyone lawful had those guns taken away? Please provides links and examples.
"Such as; where is it in the Constitution, that power is given to any administration to intervene to this degree in health care!?"
First off, I don't know what "degree" you are talking about. As you already think there is a some clause in the health care legislation that takes away your guns, I'm wondering what degree you think this changes things.
"But the biggest problem is that there isn't even a bill yet to debate over!"
H.R. 3200 is the main one is the Hous
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