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The left, the right, the war, and the kingdom of God: thoughts on torture


A Guantanamo detainee (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

Call me paranoid.  I can't help but feeling that we latter day saints are being set up for something.  The Obama Administration is  pushing forward with its agenda, which appears to include nationalization of banks, nationalization of the major  players in the manufacturing sector, nationalization of health care, and the further liberalization of laws on  abortion, gay rights, families, etc.  They are proving to be experts at diversion.  Getting the media's attention on  bogeymen, like the AIG executives, is a useful smokescreen for what might be otherwise unpopular actions.

Radio and television personality Glenn Beck is rapidly becoming a lightning rod.  His willingness to take on  corruption in both political parties is based in his love for truth and the Constitution.  Nevertheless, those who  dismiss him often point to his Mormon religion as an excuse to dismiss the uncomfortable truths he has uncovered.   They accuse him of being racist, homophobic, and encouraging violent revolution, none of which are true.  Glenn Beck  makes a wonderful LDS bogeyman.

Latter-day Saints, as a group, are being cultivated as bogeymen for future use.  A recent talk at the LDS Women's  Conference by Elder L. Tom Perry included some interesting statistics.  Eighty-five percent of the individuals in a  survey had seen LDS media spots or had received information from church members.  Even with that degree of  penetration into the social fabric of America, 51 percent said they didn't know anything about LDS beliefs and 47  percent said they had a negative view of Latter-day Saints. In other words, we're an easy choice for a bogeyman.

On the political right, anti-Mormons went after Mitt Romney with a surprising degree of vehemence.  Many of them had  been taught by their pastors, inspired by books such as "The Godmakers," to fear that Mormon cultists were about to  seize control of the government and, at the threat of nuclear annihilation, be forced into an non-Christian  theocracy.  Christian conservatives flocked around Mike Huckabee because he signaled his anti-Mormon credentials in a  Time magazine interview when he asked if Mormons were the ones who believed Jesus and Satan were brothers.  The  political right can be characterized by the woman in the Book of Revelation (the ancient Church) which John saw that  had committed "fornication" with the kings of the earth.  It is Babylon, the mother of harlots--an unholy alliance  between false religion and government.

On the political left, a coalition of diverse causes (abortion, civil rights, animal rights, radical  environmentalists, feminists, gay rights, etc.) are held together loosely by an opinion that man is the measure of  all things, that he fares according to the maintenance of the creature.  This group represents the doctrine of  Korihor. This unlikely coalition (save the whales, but kill the babies) appears to exist solely for the reason of  enshrining humanism, slowly draining the faith from society.

Some would see this as a battle of faith verses secularism, but it's not.  There are three parties involved in the  struggle, not two.  In addition to the political Babylon of the right and the secular Korihors of the left, there is  one other player which both of these oppose: revealed religion represented by the restored kingdom of God.  There is  an organization on earth which is directed by God towards the accomplishment of his ends, namely the establishment of  Zion.  God is setting up a kingdom that will endure when all others will collapse.  That kingdom will be a refuge for  the righteous people of all faiths against the time when God's wrath and indignation will be poured out upon the  wicked.

Opposition to Latter-day Saints by both of the other two groups actually unites them.  As divergent as their  philosophies are, both are willing to lay their differences aside to bring down Mormonism.  During Mitt Romney's  campaigns, right-wing push-pollers in the Bible Belt called voters' homes with typical anti-Mormon questions.  When  anti-Proposition 8 activists took to the streets, threatened our temples, defaced our meetinghouses, and harassed our  members, the sectarian right-wingers were content to "hold the cloaks" and let the leftists openly do what they  secretly desired to do: attack Mormonism.

Now, as part of the useful distractions the Obama Administration has available to them as a political tactic, they  have turned to the possibility of prosecuting individuals from the Bush Administration who may have advised the  President on harsh interrogations of detainees.  There has been a push by the Spanish government to have lawyers who  may have advised Bush stand trial in the International Criminal Court.  Which lawyers have they identified?  The  Mormon ones.

Apparently there were a couple of LDS litigators who helped develop the legal justifications for harsh  interrogations.  In addition, it appears there were a couple of psychologists who advised the CIA on creating the  optimal conditions of psychological stress to be used against "War on Terror" detainees.  Conveniently, the media can  now show Mormons as not only "gay haters" but also as "torturers."

Might we expect to see the Obama Justice Department and the Attorney General, Eric Holder, turn over some LDS lawyers  and shrinks to answer for "crimes against humanity" on a world stage?  Will Bush and the higher ups go free while  some low-level advisors answer for their counsel given in confidentiality?  Will the publicity be used by the  Church's enemies to further marginalize and attack it?

It has been and will continue to be a controversial subject.  The harsh interrogations of detainees, subjecting them  waterboarding, etc. will be debated for years.  I am dismayed that Latter-day Saints may have been involved in  anything to do with it.  Some patriotic LDS folks will justify the practice, saying that it saved American lives.  I  have to respectfully disagree that torture of any captive is ever permissible, regardless of the information they  might have and how critical it might prove to be.

You see, there is a straw man argument when it comes to members of the Church and the use of torture to defend  American freedom.  Some among us apparently believe that, to defend the Constitution and to prevent it from  destruction, we must coerce information from our enemies by all available means.  The question is asked, "If a  terrorist knew the location of a nuclear device that was about destroy an entire American city, would it not be  justifiable to torture the information out of the terrorist in order to save tens of thousands of lives?" That's the  straw man.

I would answer no to that question, because the premise only allows two choices, both of which are unacceptable.  We  limit ourselves to this line of reasoning because we have been educated in Babylon.  John Taylor said: 

"Now then, in regard to our temporal affairs, these are the things which seem to perplex us more or less.  We have  been brought up in Babylon, and have inherited Babylonish ideas and systems of business; we have introduced, too,  among us, all kinds of chicanery, deception and fraud.  It is time that these things were stopped, and that matters  assumed another shape; it is time that we commenced to place ourselves under the guidance and direction of the  Almighty.  You can not talk in many places about temporal matters, but everybody is on the alert at once, and the  idea is--Do you want my property?  No.  Do you want my possessions?  No, no; there is no such feeling, but we do want  men and women to give God their hearts, we do want people, while they profess to fear God, not to be canting  hypocrites and to depart from every principle of right.  We remember the time very well, or most of us, when we first  entered into this Church, if a man was found lying he would be brought before the Church and dealt with; if a man was  found stealing he would be brought up before the Church and dealt with; if a man defrauded his neighbor, and it could  be proved, he was brought up and dealt with; and so if a man got drunk; and for all these delinquencies if parties  did not repent of them they were immediately cut off from the Church as unworthy of fellowship.  And now, after so  many years travail, are we to continue and fellowship all these evils?  No, no, we can not do it, and God will not do  it; and if we carry them along with us, we shall not enter into the celestial kingdom of God." (Journal of  Discourses, Vol.18, p.79 - p.80, John Taylor, August 31, 1875)

First, let us look at the aforementioned scenario, where a terrorist is holding a city under the threat of nuclear  annihilation, from the perspective of what we have been taught by the Book of Mormon, not the world's teachings. 

First of all, whenever war comes to a nation, including the United States, it is not because of righteousness.  Every  war that comes to us is a call to repentance.  The Nephites avoided war when they were obedient and fell into  conflict when they disregarded God's commandments.  Rule number one: repentance is the first rule of self-defense.

Second, when the righteous Nephite saints were thrust into combat along with their unrepentant fellow citizens, they  refused to commit the same sorts of atrocities that were practiced by their foes.  In fact, we read that the reason  that the Nephites ended up being destroyed is that their hearts became hardened and they sought to destroy the  Lamanites.  Instead of fighting a defensive war, they went on the offensive and sought to exterminate their enemies.   When they resorted to the same sorts of atrocities that the Lamanites had committed, God's Spirit withdrew from them  completely and the they were permitted to be destroyed.

Last of all, if men would repent and seek to please God, there is always a third way: the way of revelation.  The  Book of Mormon recounts that Captain Moroni inquired of the prophet Alma to know where and when the Lamanites would  attack their lands.  His faith was rewarded with revelation that told him the information he needed.  (Alma 43:23-24)

In our "nuclear terrorist" scenario, wouldn't it be an option to inquire of God?  What if a Latter-day Saint lawyer  decided to abandon his "Babylonish" learning and instead told the President, "I know of a man who talks with God."   Do we, as Latter-day Saints, doubt that God would not give revelation to a head of state who needed critical  information to save tens of thousands of lives?  If God would give a miracle to a Syrian general, Naaman, who came to  Elijah for help, would he not give an answer to George Bush or Barack Obama, if they were to ask Thomas S. Monson for  God's word?

As latter-day saints, it should not matter to us whether the President accepted or rejected that option.  Our duty is  to declare that the option exists.  If he disregarded it and pressed on, at least he knew the option was available.   Inasmuch as LDS members in key positions in any government withhold the possibility that Divine revelation is  available as a resource to their leaders, they are acting to sustain the perpetuation of telestial systems of  governance.  All such systems will ultimately fail.

Latter-day Saints often recount the statement of the Prophet Joseph when he said that the elders of Israel would save  the Constitution when it should "hang, as it were, by a thread." Here is one version of the prophecy as recorded in  Mosiah Hancock's autobiography:

"There will be two great political parties in this country. One will be called the Republican, and the other the  Democrat party. These two parties will go to war and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be  the Independent American Party. The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until  other nations will say, "Let's divide up the lands of the United States", then the people of the U. S. will unite and  swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. Then the country will go to war, and  they will fight until one half of the U. S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle. They will keep  on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up--when the boys from the mountains will  rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, 'Brethren, we are glad you have  come; give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God'. Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when  it's liberty hangs by a hair, as it were." [Autobiography of Mosiah Hancock, typescript, BYU-S. Compiled by Amy E.  Baird, Victoria H. Jackson, and Laura L. Wassell (daughters of Mosiah Hancock)]

I believe that the rescue of the principles of freedom will occur despite the telestial politics, parties, and their  partisans, not because of our affiliation with any of them.  The telestial politics of our age are about to go the  way of all previous empires.  They will soon be replaced by the kingdom of God.  If we resort to telestial,  "Babylonish" systems of thinking, we will not be prepared to rise to the occasion. The hope of the American nation  and indeed, all free nations, is that they will have "men who can talk with God" among them.

The principles of human liberty proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence teach us that "all men" are created  equal and have God-given rights.  People have rights because they are children of God.  Our rights don't come to us  because we are American citizens.  Even an al-Qaeda terrorist is a child of God. If the latter-day saints who advised  the president told him that there is any distinction between the rights of citizens vs. non-citizens, uniformed  combatants of a state vs. enemy combatants who fight for a terrorist organization, they are sorely mistaken.  No  child of Elohim deserves to be waterboarded or tortured.  Only one whose heart is caught up in the learning of this  world could not see that.

In 2001, two weeks after 9/11, I wrote the following in my blog:

"Already, I’ve read or heard hypocritical commentary from liberal African-Americans considering, in the case of Arab -Americans, racial profiling might be an acceptable practice. Hundreds of Arab immigrants are being held without  charges being leveled against them. In some cases, these people are being denied access to legal counsel and in other  cases, some have allegedly suffered physical and verbal abuse by the authorities. In the last week, headlines stated  that the FBI and CIA, frustrated with the uncooperative silence from suspects they are holding in the ongoing  investigations, suggested that torture might be an option. Torture! In other words, to defeat terrorism, the “good  guys” will have to use the same tactics the “evildoers” use in order to wipe out the evil done by the “bad guys.”  What kind of convoluted rationalizations can justify that? Are we saying that, to eradicate evil, we must become evil  ourselves, albeit temporarily. At what point do we decide, having crossed the line into atrocity, that we have  attained our objective and can return to the moral high ground once again?"

In the nearly eight years since I wrote that, I've found that the Book of Mormon addresses the subject better than  anything else.  A people that adopts the methods of evil (even temporarily) to eradicate evil, becomes evil.  God's  Spirit will withdraw and before long they are ripe for destruction.  I hope all my fellow saints will turn to the  Book of Mormon for their answers during this time of conflict and perceived moral ambiguity.  Unity of faith will  preserve us more than political partisanship when the telestial world will have no further use for us in the times to  come.  

The headlines in the past couple of days show that the U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is still determined to  prosecute CIA members and other officials who had any part in the torture of captured enemy combatants.  I pray that  no members of the Church will be found to have had involvement in these acts.  If we become the world's bogeyman,  then let it be for the right reason--that we stand up and testify of eternal truths and not because some misguided  Mormons applied their worldly education to strip the humanity away from some of God's children.  Let ours be a voice to encourage repentance, righteousness, and peace.

 Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and should not be misconstrued as an official statement of the Church.

 

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  • Rebekah 2 years ago
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    Frankly there are no easy answers to this whole thing. I slightly disagree with your article this time, Greg. While I do agree the two lawyers can be and are being used as bait for Anti-Mormonism. I do agree with their proescution. It is unescuable behavior for two members of the church to be involved in this type of behavior. I cannot and will not accept that torture is an acceptable way in protecting our nation. It maybe true that they are being held to a higher standard because they are Mormon, this is part of the charge and responsiblity of being a member of the church. One of them is to avoid the appearance of evil. If these two men had abstained or objected due to religious reasons or due to morals they wouldn't have been singled out in the first place.

  • Bruce 2 years ago
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    The world plotting to take down Mormonism? please...you're really not that important

  • Kyrre 2 years ago
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    That was as long-winded as it was delusional.
    It is nice for a guy to feel important, and if you can be a centerpiece in a titanic battle between good and evil, why come out into the real world?

  • Shelly 2 years ago
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    I found this article to be very thoughtful and very articulate. For those that are not LDS I can see where you misunderstood the intent of the message.

    Let this be a lesson to members of the church how easy it is to get caught up in the plaudits of mankind, the seducing trappings of power. If the president called me tomorrow to work on a project, I'm not sure if I could resist. Especially if it were a president who shared my political beliefs and had me convinced that I was going to help the nation.

  • Kyle 2 years ago
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    As a member of the church I am embarrassed because of individuals like this and hope that others realize they do not speak as a representative for anyone.

  • Ken 2 years ago
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    No wonder Elder Ballard reports that people don't know much about LDS beliefs when there are guys like Greg West with extremist political views purporting to respresent Latter-day Saints. And as for Glenn Beck, there are better clowns over at Ringling Bros. Fortunately, political extremists are a small minority in the LDS Church. Americans are a minority of Latter-day Saints; most LDS live in countries where it is considered un-Christian to deny needed medical attention to citizens simply because they cannot afford to pay for it.

  • bTk 2 years ago
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    The downside of self-publishing -- no editing. I read the first couple screen-fulls but only skimmed the rest, particular after it became clear the author was utterly ensnared in some sort of paranoid delusion.

    It's only the devout who bother to differentiate between the various religions at all. To the atheistic humanists all believers are kooks of some sort, all are equally wrong, and all are almost equally dangerous. They are as set against the Mormons as they are against the Pope. They don't care which congregation gets smeared; they just want to link religion to degeneracy.

    The devout, on the other hand, are mostly of the opinion that every religion but theirs is a dangerous cult of false teaching. Huckabees comments illustrate exactly the same thing as the rambling incoherent article above, namely that most believers know next to nothing about what anyone else believes. The Baptists don't single out Mormons; they think Catholics, Methodists, and Presbyterians are cults too

  • Eric 2 years ago
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    ugh please stop. I live in a ward filled with this nut job thinking. Mormon conspiracy types are so beyond the pale. For you the disclaimer at the end should be bold typed and spaced at every paragraph.

  • walrus 2 years ago
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    "Nevertheless, those who dismiss him often point to his Mormon religion as an excuse to dismiss the uncomfortable truths he has uncovered."

    WHAT? most people don't even know that Beck is mormon (I didn't until I ran into this obscure article in some little closet in a dark corner on the internet. People hate Glenn Beck because he is Glenn Beck and nothing more! Sorry to burst your bubble, but the majority of America couldn't care less about the Mormons. Most of the time America considers LDS a small cult out in the boondocks that is inconsequential to American life. Most Americans even forget that Utah is a state. If Donny & Marie ever stop showing up on tv, the whole world will forget that Utah ever existed.
    Stop hiding under the bed, no one is coming for you....you seem to be playing a game of hide&seek all by yourselves.

  • Larry Strong 2 years ago
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    Great wickedness exists in these latter days and we would like to see the innocent protected even if we must torture the wicked to accomplish this protection. But God's plan seems to be different. We all have our moral agency which means we are free to choose but are responsible for the consequence of our actions. The wicked will be punished in the day of judgment. But for now God's plan must roll forward in preparation for the second coming.

    Alma 60:13
    13 For the Lord suffereth the righteous to be slain that his justice and judgment may come upon the wicked; therefore ye need not suppose that the righteous are lost because they are slain; but behold they do enter into the rest of the Lord their God.

    The great calamities in the world today have a two fold purpose. First it is to call the wicked to repentance. Second it is to destroy the wicked who will not repent. We must not participate in the evil ways of the world but must but allow God's plan to roll forth.

  • Johan 2 years ago
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    I'm one of those lefty liberals you refer to in your article. The problem with your perspective is that you're ready to judge everyone's motives from your high and lofty position without attempting to understand those that you see as adversaries. I personally hold no grudge or animosity against Mormons or Mormonism. Freedom of religion is everyone's right.

    But so is freedom from religion, and anyone (Mormon, Catholic, Evangelical Protestant or otherwise) who attempts to legislate their religious morality on society will meet with my strong objection. The fact that you are unwilling to admit that this is the primary reason for opposition to things like Proposition 8 is telling.

  • Rebekah 2 years ago
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    @Shelly
    <<If the president called me tomorrow to work on a project, I'm not sure if I could resist. Especially if it were a president who shared my political beliefs and had me convinced that I was going to help the nation.>>

    Shelly it's called resignation. If you truely believe strongly in your faith and in God. You should show enough conviction to resign. I realize that it may ruin your career, but since when should members of the church fear man more than God. Job spoke highly of integrity and to hold fast to it, even when others told him to curse God and die. Show a little more faith and a little more conviction. Many LDS need to show a little more of these traits.

  • JDD 2 years ago
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    "Do we, as Latter-day Saints, doubt that God would not give revelation to a head of state who needed critical information to save tens of thousands of lives?"

    I think this is a simplistic view of modern revelation. God does let bad things happen to good people, even lots of good people. Sometimes God sends a warning, as He did with the financial crisis. Other times, He doesn't (think Katrina or the tsunami). If God always came to our rescue, why, then, the need for free agency and faith?

  • Max 2 years ago
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    Greg, Thank you so much for writing this. The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day and it is sad that many members even, have not "awakened" to the state of our "awful condition."

    The Book of Mormon clearly outlines that there are groups of Kingmen and Freemen. Groups who seek government control over those who seek liberty. It is simple. It isn't about Democrats and Republicans. They are both corrupt. "Gadiantions," have infiltrated every group.

    It has always been about FORCE versus AGENCY.

    I regret that what is most disappointing about this issue, is the fact that many members of the faith continue to denounce and refute these obvious and fundamental truths of our faith. They reject the words of countless prophets about the Constitution and America.

    Thank you again for being one member who actually gets it. I really enjoy your words.

  • Oh please! 2 years ago
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    Just think. If you'd stop waging worldwide, multi-billion dollar campaigns to eradicate the rights of others you wouldn't be such "lightning rods" for controversy. People would just consider you another silly religious cult with funny underpants. Stop playing the persecution card. You choose to shove yourself in the middle of everybody's business--you aren't dragged in there kicking and screaming against your will.

  • Val John Jennings 2 years ago
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    "Cry nothing but repentance unto this people." Bottom line: Learn from the lessons of the past. Without Faith in God, our country will not last!

  • Win 2 years ago
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    I have a brain, a tongue and lips to speak, ears to hear, and a sacred spirit within. When I am confronted with a serious question or dilemma I can use my brain to formulate a prayer, my tongue and lips to communicate with God, my ears and inward spirit to listen for His answer. Thus my thoughts, words and actions in any circumstance can be guided by revelation from the Holy Ghost to me. I need not lean on the arm of flesh in any form. I only need my God, who loves me and will answer all my prayers, to guide my life. Leave men to their contrived useless babble and become a true child of God! Love and forgive all men, and if you should die in the process....what better death?

  • dianecammack@gmail.com 2 years ago
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    FYI

  • sister judith 2 years ago
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    I don't believe that we can claim to know the mind of God in the situation of "torturing" the 9/11 terrorists. The evidence of the Book of Mormon is anything but specific. Yes Moroni sent to Alma to know where to go to meet the enemy. Nephi required a revelation before killing Laban to obtain the brass plates. No one told Teancum to refrain from killing Morianton, it was when he went "in his anger" to kill Amalikiah that he lost his life.
    Please remember that judgement is left to the Lord.

  • Mark B from Canada 2 years ago
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    Greg has a critical perspective that those who disagree in full with it did not read. For eg, he does not aplogize for Bush's war (I do not either)--I have voted for local liberal and conservative members of parliament in my district (a non-mbr) liberal rep does believe in family). The highest calling we can have in the church is of God to preach repentance. As a member of the church, I am going to pay attention to the warning voices of prophets. When there is evidence of corruption (regardless of party) I will stand against it at the ballot box. California's prop 8 was a democratic means to express one's view for or against. We as members are far from perfect (hence life here on earth), yet when our church doctrine is in support of the family (I didn't have to consult with my Bishop or another church member) I would have sided with protecting traditional families. Greg was also correct on the quiet repose of other 'Christian' faiths on Prop 8 (Paul did rightly confess past error).

  • Arkad 2 years ago
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    Excellent Article!

  • Frank Kelland 2 years ago
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    The detractors need to read and study the Book of Mormon to understand the author's POV. You must know your enemy to defeat him and you misunderstand him too much. If you don't want to read the Book of Mormon then read the history of the Roman Republic from 140 B.C. to 27 B.C. Optimates fought Populares and the result was years civil war and an unlikely Imperator - Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus - Augustus.

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