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US wouldn't kill our own citizens, blame Iran, and start a war! Oh? FBI allowed '93 WTC bombing


   We hold these Truths to be self-evident...
We know that the US “leadership” and corporate media are lying for war with Iran with their two principle reasons:
 
  1. Anyone who spends five minutes can verify that Iran’s President Ahmadinejad never threatened to attack or destroy Israel. The content and context of his October 2005 speech are in support of Palestinian equal treatment under the law from Israel, and compares the Israeli government to former repressive regimes in Iran, the USSR, and Iraq that were all replaced. I challenge anyone to summarize the paragraph in question and rationally conclude any physical threat to Israel. The implications of this fact are world-changing: the proof of Orwellian lies for war with Iran by criminal conspiracy between both political parties’ management and corporate media is beyond any doubt.
  2. Iran has never diverted nuclear material from legal and peaceful use; verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in all their reports and testified by their agency directors. The agency seems under political pressure from the US; as votes and official language ignore the facts and purpose of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to voice concern over what isn’t known. This is as if your supervisor threatened to fire you, saying, “We can verify that you haven’t stolen anything from our observation and accounting of all materials. However, you can’t prove that you haven’t stolen things outside our accounting and observation that we don’t know about. Prove your intentions are to not steal. If you can’t, our suspicions are verified.” This reason concerns “Additional Protocol” that Iran gave administrative agreement to without verification from their legislators, and then withdrew from when the US wouldn’t keep their part of NPT to support Iran’s nuclear energy development.
 
We also know that all the reasons given to go to war with Iraq were not only false, but known as false at the time they were told.
 
 
This fact puts the lies with Iran in context that our “leadership” are psychopaths: vicious killers with only a veneer of social behavior to hide their sadistic and destructive actions. The sane response is to stop these psychopaths right now through government and military refusal for further orders pertaining to these unlawful wars, arrest those who issue this war policy, and I recommend Truth and Reconciliation to get to the bottom of what’s at the core of this Orwellian dystopia America has become.
 
A real risk is the start of World War 3.
 
Given the rules of war prohibit US and/or Israel attack from the lame lies the psychopaths are pushing, an historical card the US and other governments have played to temporarily “shock and awe” the American public into obedience for war is a false flag attack to kill Americans, blame the target for war, and then attack.
 
Despite the historical reality of false flag operations, the history of the known lies that have killed a million of our fellow human beings in Iraq, and the elementary school-level lies to attack Iran, some Americans are still too naïve to accept the fact that our psychopathic “leaders” of both parties (always protected by their minions in corporate media) would play “real chess” and sacrifice what they see as American pawns in order to achieve a broader psychopathic policy objective, like ruling the Middle East.
 
A fact to dispel this illusion is an obvious example of our government killing Americans in a false flag attack: in 1993, the New York Times reported (and here, and here under "World Trade Center Attacks in Perspective") that the FBI had stopped their informant from providing a fake explosive to terrorists who blew-up a truck bomb in the World Trade Center parking lot. Instead, an FBI supervisor took over the supply of the explosive to the terrorists. The FBI informant, Emad Salem, suspected foul play by the FBI and secretly recorded hundreds of hours of what the FBI assumed was their private conversations. The recordings confirm that the FBI provided the explosives for the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center that killed six, wounded over 1,000, but was insufficient to collapse one tower onto the other to achieve the objective of the bombing.
 
The following three paragraphs lead the New York Times report, titled:
 

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast

 
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
 
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.
 
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.
 

From the linked article of analysis, "World Trade Center Attacks in Perspective":

 

The FBI had agreed to substitute harmless powder in the bomb, but then changed their minds and provided a real bomb, and then failed to follow the terrorists and catch them in the act of attempting to destroy the NorthTower:

 

"He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. "He requested to make me to testify and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that." 6

 

The tapes even recount that Salem had given the FBI the day and time for the delivery of the bomb: 

 

"You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."7 

 

However there’s more that Salem claims he told the FBI about the bombing. He provided the actual location of the bombing:

 

"I told you so, that this is one of the targets," Mr. Salem says. "You forgot. You have your papers. Go back to it. WorldTradeCenter, EmpireStateBuilding, Grand Central. Times Square."8 

 

"I looked over my notes," one of the agents, John Anticev, says. "I didn't see anything about a target." To this, Detective Napoli, says: "I was there also. I don't remember you saying target."9 

 

Now the FBI never contradicted Salem in the tapes saying he didn’t provide them with the day and time for the delivery of the bomb to the terrorists, just the targets. Even if Salem was confused about providing the targets to the FBI, the fact remains that the FBI did not follow the terrorists to the WorldTradeCenter's north tower on February 26th when they knew that the terrorists were in the possession of a real bomb. A bomb the FBI gave the terrorists! 

 
The CBS News coverage reporting the above facts is in the video below.
 
Why would an FBI “supervisor” take over this part of what Mr. Salem was told was a “sting operation” to provide the actual explosives for terrorism and then allow this FBI-managed crime to murder Americans with the potential to bring down the two World Trade Center buildings?
 
We know the FBI and whoever else was involved wanted the attack to occur because they managed its execution every step of the way to the explosion. We know they could have stopped the attack and didn’t. Therefore this attack is a false flag operation where the FBI is the brains and management but the blame and responsibility is solely placed on Islamic terrorists. This part seems clear.
 
Placing this operation into the broader strategy of political objectives; that is, proving the sacrifice of this chess piece was part of a particular plan to control the chess board is more complex. However, given the paper-thin lies that we see from the highest levels of US government for war with Iran and Iraq documented in the links of this article (among hundreds of writers), we know that the “leadership” of both political parties are dominated by chess players willing to sacrifice thousands of American soldiers in their game.
 
We know the 1993 WTC bombing occurred just after many of the Bush Administration “leaders” put the plan of Middle East domination into writing in 1992 with the pre-development of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). The conclusion is reasonable that the 1993 bombing was a false flag operation to move PNAC’s agenda forward for Middle East domination by creating public outrage that would overcome the blatant illegality of Middle East wars.
 
These psychopathic chess players might be planning one more false flag move for their final board objective: attacking and dominating Iran.
 
If a critical mass of leadership among the public, US military, US government, and other key areas refuse to cooperate with this ongoing game our chess masters are playing, we can end it and shift our attention to more constructive uses of our resources. My policy suggestions follow.
 
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I appreciate your attention to these facts and encourage your further study and action consistent with your own self-expression. My recommendations:
 
Policy response: Gandhi and Martin Luther King advocated public understanding of the facts and non-cooperation with evil. I’m among hundreds who advocate:  
  1. Understand the laws of war (and here). These were legislated after WW2 and are crystal-clear that only self-defense, in a narrow legal meaning, can justify war. The current US wars are not even close to being lawful and are legal treason against the US. Those involved with US military, government, and law enforcement have an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. To fulfill their oath they must immediately refuse all orders associated with unlawful wars and military-related constant violation of treaties, and arrest those who issue unlawful orders. The Oath of Enlistment to the US Constitution supersedes the fascist insertion of Nazi propaganda to "always place the mission first" of blindly following unlawful orders.
  2. Employ the obvious and simple solutions to end our economic controlled demolition and evolve to a civil economy. End poverty through global cooperation to achieve the UN Millennium Goals by developed countries investing 0.7% of their income (not that the UN is serious for their accomplishment, but the goals are what we should invest to produce). Support global security through cooperation, dignity, justice, and freedom. Create a US Department of Peace to help.
  3. Communicate. Trust your unique, beautiful, and powerful self-expression to share as you feel appropriate. Understand that while many people are ready to embrace difficult facts, many are not. Anticipate that you will be attacked and prepare your virtuous response in the spirit of competition, just as you do in other fields.
  4. Prosecute the war leaders for obvious violation of the letter and spirit of US war laws and constant lies to engage in further wars. Because the crimes are so broad and deep, I recommend Truth and Reconciliation (T&R) to exchange full truth and return of stolen US assets for non-prosecution. This is the most expeditious way to understand and end all unlawful and harmful acts. Those who reject T&R are subject to prosecution.
 
Local perspective: Part of my professional duties as a teacher of economics and government is to produce competent adult citizenry. This includes realization that our nation’s policies and money are managed at a broad community level, and these issues have tremendous local impact. Of course, we all want human beings to be individually successful and enjoy their unique, beautiful and powerful self-expressions. Concurrently, we recognize our commitment to local success is strongly dependent upon the success of the community, and that government policy and economics are drivers.
 
Our status in early 21st Century human history is that we suffer from a long history in government and money of human interrelationship well-described as vicious antagonism. Governments frequently use war as a foreign policy, despite its illegality and dependent upon public ignorance, with horrific consequences. Economic policy is still created within a “Robber Baron” paradigm to concentrate money to an elite few families. Two examples:
 
1.      National taxes effect you dearly, especially the tax to pay interest on the national debt. This costs the American public over $400 billion every year. This is $4,000 per year for every $50,000 of income. Do the math to understand your household’s tax burden for a monetary policy invented by banks for banks to create our money supply as debt. Your competence in this area contributes to our collective voice to simply shift monetary policy to easily pay the national debt, enjoy full employment, collectively save us over a trillion dollars every year, and finally realize what our brightest American minds have been advocating for centuries beginning with Benjamin Franklin. This would have unprecedented local benefits, and requires collective power to accomplish.
2.      Ending poverty everywhere on our planet would cost just 0.7% of our income and save a million children’s lives every month. This human accomplishment will cause unimaginable joy at our local level.
 
To consider:
 
"If we are to have peace on earth, our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional. Our loyalties must transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we must develop a world perspective. No individual can live alone, no nation can live alone and as long as we try, the more we are going to have war in the world. Now the judgment of God is upon us and we must either learn to live together as brothers or we are all going to perish together as fools."
 --Inscription on Dr. Martin Luther King’s statue, Moorehouse College, Atlanta
 
"The day that hunger is eradicated from the earth, there will be the greatest spiritual explosion the world has ever known. Humanity cannot imagine the joy that will burst into the world on the day of that great revolution." -- poet Federico García Lorca
 
Comments policy: I welcome questions and comments that are civil and pertain to the article topic. Impolite and impertinent comments will be deleted.
 
Please consider that I’m among hundreds of writers who have documented our own government’s disclosure of propaganda programs to support their wars. I suspect my articles are under such propagandistic attack from comments that use typical rhetorical fallacies to distract readers from the facts. I invite readers to sharpen their ability to discern such propaganda. They are characterized by a combination of: never addressing the facts, diverting attention through unsubstantiated belief in an alleged expert, irrelevant data, straw-man attack that distorts the facts, ad hominem attack of insults to the messenger, vile comments to repulse readers, and lies of omission and commission.
 
I will use such comments to point-out the propaganda or delete them at my discretion. Again, all relevant and polite questions, and factually accurate comments are welcome. As a professional educator I’m in agreement with my experience and research: we learn best from multiple perspectives in mutual commitment to understand the facts, see those facts from diverse points-of-view, and consider various policy proposals of what we should do.
 
For those involved in support of US government-sponsored disinformation, I invite you to consider the quality of human relationships you wish to work toward. National security and a brighter future is not a function of fear, manipulation, and control. Our best security follows cooperation, justice under the law, dignity, and freedom. Working for your best imagined self-expression of virtue may include a unique contribution from the inside of your agency. Public attraction to the stories of Star Wars and the Harry Potter books/movies recognize that our society’s jump to civilized relations for all of us might require support from people within the “dark side” acting as covert agents for building a brighter future. Another option is becoming a whistle-blower; Project Camelot is a popular venue for people in sensitive positions. Ultimately, I recommend a Truth and Reconciliation process to exchange full truth for no prosecution, explained in detail at the link. Please consider the wisdom of your own “Scrooge conversion” to act for the benefit of all humanity rather than your self-proclaimed controlling, manipulating, and loveless “masters.”
 
“Scrooge was better than his word. He did it all, and infinitely more; and to Tiny Tim, who did not die, he was a second father. He became as good a friend, as good a master, and as good a man, as the good old city knew, or any other good old city, town, or borough, in the good old world. Some people laughed to see the alteration in him, but he let them laugh, and little heeded them; for he was wise enough to know that nothing ever happened on this globe, for good, at which some people did not have their fill of laughter in the outset; and knowing that such as these would be blind anyway, he thought it quite as well that they should wrinkle up their eyes in grins, as have the malady in less attractive forms. His own heart laughed: and that was quite enough for him.”
 

 
 

 

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Carl Herman is a National Board Certified Teacher in economics, government, and history. His hobby is research, education, and lobbying for...

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  • Greenlink 1 year ago
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    Excellent article!! Keep up the Good work you are doing. Together we have the Power.

  • Hmmm.. 1 year ago
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    The first reference is a highly selective abridgement of the actual NY Times piece, most notably missing this graf:

    The transcripts do not make clear the extent to which Federal authorities knew that there was a plan to bomb the World Trade Center, merely that they knew that a bombing of some sort was being discussed. But Mr. Salem's evident anguish at not being able to thwart the trade center blast is a recurrent theme in the transcripts. In one of the first numbered tapes, Mr. Salem is quoted as telling agent Floyd: "Since the bomb went off I feel terrible. I feel bad. I feel here is people who don't listen."

    That sounds more like he's complaining the Feebs wouldn't listen to him, not that they knew and deliberately allowed it to happen.

    Anyone who has experienced the arrogance and bull-headedness of the FBI should find that credible.

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Cont:
    In your version of reality, the FBI asset somehow didn’t communicate to the FBI what his sole purpose in being their asset was to communicate. Yeah, sure. For two years they had no idea what the operation was.

    What you also ignore is the documented history of Operation Mockingbird which would apply damage control to damning evidence like Mr. Salem’s tapes documenting two years of FBI knowledge. That this story, and the CBS News clip in the video discloses as much of the evidence that it does is what’s surprising.

    You also ignore the documented lies of wars with Iraq and lying rhetoric for war with Iran.

    Choose carefully the team you wish to pledge your future: choices have consequences.

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Cont:
    “The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

    The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.”

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  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Hmmm:
    You lying sack of spin. Mr. Salem’s audio recordings prove he was the FBI inside asset for two years and that the FBI “supervisor” stopped the plan to provide fake explosives.

    This is the lead to the story in the NYT, titled: “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast”

    “Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast…

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  • Sam 1 year ago
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    Great article, and lots of accurate references! I think it would be good to include "Operation Northwoods" as well. Flying planes into WTC buildings was first drafted by CIA in the 60s: youtube.com/watch?v=Rp3P2wDKQK4

  • Dean Jackson 1 year ago
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    Hmmm,

    the FBI knew that the terrorists were in the position of an operational bomb, and didn't follow them to the WTC and arrest them before they planted the bomb. That's what the FBI does; it's their job!

    The fact that the New York Times didn't make this obvious point clear to its readership is further evidence of how the media then and now covers for the Federal government when elements within the Federal government commit crimes.

    Dean Jackson/Editor-in-Chief DNotice.org
    Washington, DC

  • Zeugitai 1 year ago
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    I agree with Greenlink: Keep up the Good Work. Having said that I must confess to having NO FAITH in the American people to know the truth when they hear it, no faith in their moral compass for they have none, no faith in their willingness to act selflessly or as members of a true or real human community on any scale. The truth is ineffectual in the caustically relativistic cultural atmosphere of the United States where there are 310 million truths but no One Truth. I read Mr. Herman's articles and think to myself, "At least there is one man who dares to speak to the truth of the nation without fear or ulterior or subversive motive!" But I see Mr. Herman as if he were standing on a soapbox shouting salvation to crowds of lobotomized pedestrians. The balance has long-since tipped and this nation is beyond saving. It has already become something monstrous every act of which is despicable.

  • Arthur 1 year ago
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    Hmmm ,
    what's your opinion on Melvin Latimore ? ....or Guzi Hadus or Ali Muhammud ? If the FBI's asset , Melvin Latimore, placed the chemicals for the '93 WTC bombing on his credit card (according to OK City Court transcripts )and was also reportedly involved with McVeigh in '95 with the Murruh Building murders ... doesn't this suggest that the Feds prior knowledge and even active involvement can be established ?

    Accordingly , US District Judge Wayne E. Alley confirmed in an interveiw that he was warned by the FBI not show up for work on that April day in '95 . ..and how 'bout the Fed's boy and agent provocateur Andreas Carl Strassmeir ?

    While you may try to ascribe the FBI's "arrogance and bull-headedness" as the main factor , the evidence points in a direction far more devious... complicity in Mass murder and High Treason!

    Where some

  • Hmmm 1 year ago
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    Carl Herman probably won't let this stay up, but the court transcripts from the trials of the '93 bombers make it pretty clear that the FBI did not believe Salem or that there was a credible bomb threat - and that Salem did not know the intended target until after the bombing. Salem was originally used by the Feebs to infiltrate the radical Muslims protesting in support of the guy who shot Meir Kahane; when he came to them with the bom plot, they thought he was making it up to get more pay. Because the Feebs were able to quickly round up the bombers (now using Salem again) no one went head-hunting for the idiots who let it happen in the first place. As for OKC, the active agency pre-bombing was ATF, not FBI - and the ATF agents were still in CYA mode after their debacle of the Branch Davidian raid.

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Cont:
    However there’s more that Salem claims he told the FBI about the bombing. He provided the actual location of the bombing:

    "I told you so, that this is one of the targets," Mr. Salem says. "You forgot. You have your papers. Go back to it. World Trade Center, Empire State Building, Grand Central. Times Square."8

    "I looked over my notes," one of the agents, John Anticev, says. "I didn't see anything about a target." To this, Detective Napoli, says: "I was there also. I don't remember you saying target."9

    Now the FBI never contradicted Salem in the tapes saying he didn’t provide them with the day and time for the delivery of the bomb to the terrorists, just the targets. Even if Salem was confused about providing the targets to the FBI, the fact remains that the FBI did not follow the terrorists to the World Trade Center's north tower on February 26th when they knew that the terrorists were in the possession of a real bomb. A bomb the FBI gave the terrorists! “

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Cont:
    From the linked article of analysis, "World Trade Center Attacks in Perspective":

    The FBI had agreed to substitute harmless powder in the bomb, but then changed their minds and provided a real bomb, and then failed to follow the terrorists and catch them in the act of attempting to destroy the North Tower:

    "He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. "He requested to make me to testify and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that." 6

    The tapes even recount that Salem had given the FBI the day and time for the delivery of the bomb:

    "You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad."7
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  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Cont:
    You’re a professional prostitute of disinformation. I recommend you read my comment policy above and consider a change of destination or where your life is going, Scrooge.

    I do appreciate the contest with what you represent; I’ll take your objections that are so easily crushed with the facts and upgrade my article to shine light upon the OBJECTIVE facts and reveal those, as you, who choose manipulative control (with potential to upgrade anytime).

    You say the FBI was clueless as to what Mr. Salem was talking about in Orwellian denial of the transcript record and Mr. Salem’s two years of work with the FBI. You claim they didn’t go “head-hunting” as a strawman excuse instead of an objective investigation of damning evidence of FBI complicity in the ’93 bombing.
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  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Hmmm:
    Let’s put your comments in context:

    With all the objective evidence of lies that preceded an obviously unlawful war in Iraq and the same lying rhetoric seemingly setting the stage for another unlawful mass-murderous war with Iran, you ignore this OMG life-and-death context. I ask readers’ consideration that the reason is your role as a Operation Mockingbird propagandist pimping for the faction within our government that drives these wars. The link of Operation Mockingbird, disclosed by our own government to control US corporate media, is at “minions of corporate media” in the article.

    Yes, because of the above lies of omission I assert you are a lying sack of spin in criminal complicity after the fact to cover up mass murder. You’re not some disinterested citizen; you’re driving a war agenda, are supporting fascism rather than representative government to secure unalienable rights only deriving their powers from the consent of the governed.
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  • Cassandra James - Asia Travel Examiner 1 year ago
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    Keep writing this stuff - it's excellent and I agree with 95% of what you say. Cheney and Bush should have been charged with treason. No question.

  • Hmm 1 year ago
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    Complete distortion of the facts: the FBI most certainly did not give the bomb or the bomb components; until the 1993 attack, the FBI didn't even have a clue how a urea nitrate enhanced bomb worked and barely understood the thermobaric fuel-air explosive, having done little forensic investigation of the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing.

    Read the trial transcripts.

    As for the rest, no one has to pay me to point out lies and nutjob conspiracies. The 1993 WTC bombing is one of a long line of FBI screwups; conflating it into a decades-long superconspiracy ignores reality.

  • IRanian 1 year ago
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    i think you are right
    but you have to remember if for any reason iran is attacked by any country
    all hell will break lose and the end of days will come i promise you that
    i dont mean in a day but in 2-3 years after that when all iranian will come to take revenge from those who attacked them and those who supported them as well as those who just watch

    US and Israel are after war with iran
    i hope people in us come to their senses and see that all they have will be lost if this war is not avoided

    iran is very powerfull but it shows a week image

    there is a old Persian saying

    Know your enemy but don't let your enemy know you

    thanx

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Hmmm:
    You’ve had your say; unless Arthur, Dean Jackson and/or someone else wants to add something. You’ve propagandized enough and I’ll delete your further repetition.

    Readers have the transcript portions to examine for themselves versus your blanket and unsubstantiated denials.

    Readers have the evidence of government/media conspiracy for Orwellian lies of wars documented in this article versus your testimony these are “nutjob conspiracies.”

    Readers have the evidence in this context of 1992 PNAC to 2010 lies for war with Iran versus your analysis of “FBI screwups” and “superconspiracy [that] ignores reality.”

    And don’t even think of some sock-puppet alter-identity blindly agreeing with you. People who want to argue must cite the transcript and/or evidence to make a cogent argument.

  • Hmmm 1 year ago
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    Okay, talk to me after you've bothered to read "Willful Blindness - A Memoir of the Jihad" by Andrew C. McCarthy, the guy who prosecuted the 1993 case.

    He dissects Salem line-by-line, as well as the FBI mistakes of epic proportions - with footnotes and references to the trial transcripts.

  • Hmm 1 year ago
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    Oh, and then compare McCarthy's view to the investigative reporting of Peter Lance ("1000 Years for Revenge," "Cover Up: What the Government Is Still Hiding About the War on Terror," "Triple Cross"). The two men despise each other and disagree on most things - but agree that the FBI screwed up in 1993.

    Lance also heavily footnotes.

    Lance also does an excellent job of naming names, especially on who screwed up handling Salem.

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Hmmm:
    Ok, I’ll give you another chance: YOU explain how the transcripts and facts from the trial do not establish that Mr. Salem was the FBI asset working with the bomb, that the plan was for a fake substitute that would not explode, that Mr. Salem was pulled away with the FBI taking over at the point of providing a bomb, that the FBI admitted to knowing the date of the bombing for the city of New York, that the FBI would naturally follow the bombers’ every move once a bomb plot with date and location was established, and that the FBI failure to close and stop the bombers was criminal complicity to allow the bombing to occur.

    You have zero credibility pointing to a book by the person the FBI helped appoint to prosecute the case.

    Be a big boy and elucidate the evidence, Hmmm. You are perfectly capable of using the book to help you, but so far you have nothing but denial of the documentation with your so far baseless claims of “screwups” and “nutjob conspiracies” in refutation.

  • Hmmm 1 year ago
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    "...that Mr. Salem was pulled away with the FBI taking over at the point of providing a bomb..."

    There's where you jump the shark - nothing in Salem's tapes indicates that the FBI provided a bomb.

    The court transcripts (and sworn testimony of Peter Lance) show that Special Agent Nancy Floyd recruited Salem in 1991 and, when he brought the claims of a bomb plot, she filed to have surveillance on two of the bomb plotters.

    The surveillance was denied by Assistant Special Agent in Charge Carson Dunbar in the NY office, who testified at trial that he didn't trust either Salem nor Floyd - and Salem was cut loose by the FBI with his now infamous "Don't call me when the bombs go off" parting comment.

    Of course, the FBI did call him right after the bombs and used him to get to the bombers.

    McCarthy and Lance both quote trial transcripts; Lance also has other FBI documents and on the record interviews.

    Get off the 'net and open a book.

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Hmmm:
    Liar: I clearly write the FBI took over at the point when Mr. Salem was building the bomb and rejected the plan of substituting a dud that wouldn’t explode.

    This is what the transcripts read, what we hear on the tapes, not denied by the secretly-taped FBI agents, agreed to by one FBI agent on tape, and what the New York Times and CBS News reports.

    Mr. Salem was removed by the FBI at the point of building the bomb and the FBI took over at that point. That’s exactly what I write and then you, lying sack of spin, twist it.

    This is material evidence of FBI complicity in a false flag attack upon the US.

    You had your shot and I’ll not waste any more time with you.

  • Frank 1 year ago
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    This excerpt from one of the recorded phone calls supports what Mr. Herman is saying. I see no scenario where the agent would lie and agree with Salem if what he was saying was false. What would be the motive for that?

    nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

  • Carl Herman (LA County Nonpartisan Examiner) 1 year ago
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    Thanks, Frank.
    I forgot to mention that the video in this article also contains the damning part of the recorded conversations with the FBI, as well as CBS News confirmation in their televised report.

  • Clay Rains 1 year ago
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    You're right on Carl. As far as the people objecting... at least they're coming rebuttals, even if they are totally ridiculous. In my experience debating on this subject, you mention the Emad Salem tapes and the debunkers run away scared and refuse to even address it.

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