RINO Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC running lead on comprehensive immigration reform along with his liberal friend Senator Chuck Schumer, D-NY, is calling for among other things a national ID card to stem the flow of illegal immigration with comprehensive immigration reform the final goal. They are not alone. On the O’Reilly Factor Tuesday evening, host Bill O’Reilly said he favored a National ID Card citing among other things the additional taxes that would be collected through reduced fraud and called it a “moneymaker for the US”. He said he wanted it “fast -tracked and done this year. On Illegal Immigration though he did not believe the Obama Administration had the political cojones (my words not his) to actually put forth a bill in the current environment, especially with Healthcare on the bubble.
Guest Lou Dobbs, formerly of CNN disagreed and said he was putting the Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill on his calendar for six weeks out. A scary thought. Dobbs, a media firebrand credited with bringing Illegal Immigration to the forefront of the political debate “reluctantly agreed” with O’Reilly on the National ID Card. “For the same reasons I supported REAL ID, I support this.” He said. Privacy concerns are no doubt taking a back seat here.
O’Reilly has been Mr. Compromise throughout the debate on illegal immigration. In 2007 he said at one point that the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, otherwise known as The Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act (talk about spin), was the best we were going to get. While I sincerely respect O’Reilly I would be reluctant to have him represent my interests in a negotiation. Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal immigrants wasn’t even close t o the best we could hope to obtain.
The real surprise was Dobbs. Considered by most to be an illegal immigration hardliner he used the “C” word (compromise) more than once saying it is time to get something done and in other words the fringe players on the right and left need to come to the table and play nice.
Really Lou? If I didn’t know better I’d swear that sounds like the words of a budding politician. Since when do you begin a negotiation in the middle? The strength of the argument presented by the hard left and right drive the debate one way or another. Those in the middle are there because as Sean Hannity says “they stand for nothing.” Don’t get me wrong. Hannity hasn’t done us any favors either on illegal immigration but when you’re right…you’re right.
So as talk show pundits and political prognosticators start ramping up for a coming show-down on illegal immigration, RINO’s on the right and Donkey’s on the left are lining up to kiss the Messiah’s ring. It is all a big show, a game if you will, where the American people are always the ones who lose. Truth be told, I've seen streetwalkers in Vegas with more class and better business sense than many members of congress...
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Can't wait for all the racists hillbillies to come out of the woodwork now...
BillyBob assumes all hillbillies are racists, but then he displays his ignorance.
You jerks should go back and hide in the public restrooms and write your racist comments like you used to.. Every level headed American is anxiously waiting for amnesty to be granted to these wonderful people from the world. Enough of your propaganda, is time to go back and disappear into the mountains. These immigrants that are hungry for work and don't complain about hard work will once again make America productive. You racist people feel like you are entitle to a lot of money and little work. That is why China is kicking our ass. You watch how America becomes productive once again when amnesty is granted. Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants back in the 80's and the we had great production. History will repeat once more.
I am actually surprised.. who would thought Lou would ever talk about a comprised.. That is definitely news...
Anyways it is never too late to change for the real interest of the American people. Positives and Negative points have been all revealed in the past CIR bills. So I all we can agree on is a comprehensive package that is just and humane and that most of all protect our borders. Others rhetoric that defines otherwise is just excuses to make the situation worse since it definitely isn't getting any better.
I am actually surprised.. who would thought Lou would ever talk about a compromise.. That is definitely news...
Anyways it is never too late to change for the real interest of the American people. Positives and Negative points have been all revealed in the past CIR bills. So all we can assert on is - a comprehensive package that is just and humane and that most of all protect our borders. Others rhetoric that defines otherwise is just excuses to make the situation worse since it definitely isn't getting any better.
What is the argument here? every single alien "BROKE THE LAW!" Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.
This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Bull, Lou Dobbs house was shot at and he was fired from CNN. The Mexican Mafia got to him. These illegals broke the law. When they have their big rally latter this month I only wish to see helicopters dropping big nets.
NO to amnesty.!!
I'll accept the ID card. We don't give it to illegal aliens. They can't work and can't get any benefits. They will go home where they belong! We CAN NOT and WILL NOT accept any form amnesty for these illegal aliens! It's time for them to get back to their own country where they belong with their families.
Ha, you guys say go back to their families...what families, the ones who have been killed by war? those who no longer get in touch with them because they have opened their arms to America? The family that---oh wait their family is now AMERICANS---!
America was built by immigrants and if immigrants were deported in mass as many of you want it it would increase the deficit, reduce the number of jobs available in the market...yes believe it or not IMMIGRANTS CREATE JOBS...and place a large gap on the system that relies on low skilled underpaid employment that is kept out of the records!
By the way...no immigrants do not use health care, and actually study has show that they use only under 10% of all emergency room usage across the nation...so give me a break with your ridiculous rhetoric and learn some facts!
By the way...AMNESTY vs PATH TO CITIZENSHIP...
Please learn what that means!
AMNESTY = Forgiveness of all at no cost (not what is being fought for - read the summary to H.R. 4321, and that's not what Schumer and Grahm are working on either)
PATH TO CITIZENSHIP = Pay a fine, learn English, show you are paying taxes or that you will pay them respectively to those you have not yet paid, get a temporary permission to stay and contribute to the US, wait for backlogs in the broken system to be fixed...then can you really get in line and become a US Citizen years down the road (that's what's on H.R. 4321 and Schumer-Graham proposals)
GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE SLAMMING INCOHERENT NONSENSE!
US economy largely unaffected by illegal immigration
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 12.03.2009
WASHINGTON — A study released Wednesday concludes that illegal-immigrant workers do not drain jobs or tax dollars and have a neutral impact on the U.S. economy.
Because illegal immigrants occupy a small share of the work force — about 5 percent — and work low-skilled jobs at lower wages than other workers, their overall influence on the economy is trivial, according to the report, sponsored by the Migration Policy Institute, a pro-immigration think tank in Washington.
"The fate of the U.S. economy does not rest on what we do on illegal immigration," said Gordon H. Hanson, author of the report and economics professor at the University of California-San Diego.
Illegal immigrants contribute a tiny 0.03 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product, with that gain going to employers who save money on cheap labor, the report says, while their cost to the economy is 0.10 percent of GDP, which m
The only people who need work ID cards are non-citizens who are here on a temporary or seasonal work basis, and this lame-brain Graham and Schumer notion is just more government waste and can kicking, solving nothing, yet more burdening to American citizens and taxpayers.
JFK said: "We cannot negotiate with those who say, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable."”
Citizenship is owned by the American people, not the President and not Sen. Schumer, Sen. Graham, Rep. Gutierrez or Lou Dobbs. Ours, the most valuable citizenship in the world, is not negotiable. Those who truly desire it must follow our laws, after asking permission at the front door. The Russian Mafia and Salvadoran MS13 are among the dregs of all nations that disrespect our laws, culture and people. They are among 12 to 30 million scofflaws, criminal illegal aliens, job stealing thieves, greedy opportunists that have no regard or compassion for the millions of Americans that they harm. There are 8 million felon illegal aliens holding American jobs by using stolen Social Security numbers of American children and adults, using fraudulent and/or forged IDs, lying on I-9 forms and evading taxes. No pathway(amnesty) for these criminals. Not now, not ever!!!
Someone brought up amnesty earlier. BE VERY CLEAR - all crimes carry fines, jail terms or both, except for illegal aliens. They are the only lawbreakers that have the appropriate punishment of deportation. Any plan that eliminates deportation is AMNESTY!!!
I know there will be a lot clamor over an ID card. I like the idea of an enhanced SS card. At this point in our society today, we really have no privacy. If the government wants to go after you, they will. There is just so much information readily available on just about everyone, that to me the idea of worrying about a picture or thumb print on a SS card is a joke. If a SS card had your thumb print, picture and a magnetic code like a credit card, it would cut down on fraud a lot.
No system is perfect, but shouldn't SS cards be at least as secure as credit cards and driver's licenses?
I read the WSJ article and the usually suspect ACLU was clamoring about an invasion of privacy. If those nitwits in congress advance amnesty/CIR with the card enforcement part, you can almost guarantee that the ACLU will sue. The enforcement part will be rendered useless or stripped. An amnesty will be all that will remain.
If congress would enhance the SS card first there would be little need for
All those anti-immigrants people hating, racist, poison spewing talkers, remind us all of the NATZI GERMANY we are ashamed of.
Makes one VERY ill to read such horror.
Remember, Karma is a boomarange the harder you throw it the harder it comes back, good OR bad, and that goes for EVERYONE,
legal or illegal or citizen or non-citizen
Illegal presence in the United States is considered an Misdomeanor...although is is NOT the same as J walking, it is on the books as a civil case, NOT a Feolny, AND is in the SAME class as J walking.
So yes, it is breaking the law.
Stealing is also breaking the law, which is NOT a misdomeanor,
it is a more serious crime that requires time in prison.
Who of you here on this blog has NEVER stole something in their life?.
So i am TIERD of hearing about "breaking the law"
Also, well said flip and lowenstein!
Hey Flip, we heard all of this in 1965 and again in 1986. Why would anyone believe that the government would enforce the laws requiring illegal aliens to pay a fine, back taxes, learning English and becoming citizens? Also why would any illegal paying little or no taxes, not having to learn English and not giving a damn about becoming a citizen want to do so?
There are still people being processed from the 1986 amnesty. If the government can't enforce current laws, process those already in the immigration system, how well would they do on another ill proposed bureaucratic nightmare? The so called impossible task of deporting all illegal aliens would be easier. Keep believing the globalist spin on how illegal aliens contribute so much. When you get in the same zipcode as reality let us know!
Tamara Hess: Spell Check
Of course it is easier to discount the breaking of our laws, and comparing people to Nazis then to provide reasoned argument. How do you suppose those people who just have so called misdemeanors are actually able to stay in this country? They violate a variety of other laws. They work for cash, use fake or stolen identities, drive without a license and auto insurance. Often if caught,and given a court date for a hearing, they run. When a person, regardless of where they are from have little regard for the rule of law, that behavior is evident in everything they do.
Truth posted "US economy largely unaffected by illegal immigration" . . . if that is the case, why have them stick around then?
And if one thinks that this card will prevent illegals from working . . . how are they working now without legitimate papers? Remember, there is NO system that is hack-proof.
This is nothing less than a big power grab. Forget about "privacy" for a moment -- we have virtually none left in the modern world anyway. But that is no excuse to adopt THIS abomination. Doesn't anyone find the idea of a government-mandated fingerprint card a tad unsavory? Doesn't it seem out of charachter for America? Does this pass the Smell Test? Does anyone even care, or are we all just going to accept it?
@ Tamara Hess
8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
It is a crime to steal across our borders, whether your tired of hearing about it or not. These illegal aliens are the dregs, the bottom feeders of all the nations of the earth.
As I assumed. Why is everyone up in arms about immigrants and giving them some sort of relief. We all came here illegally, our forefathers raped and killed many Indians to invade their country and now we are so pi@@ed off at some Mexicans coming here for a better life.
Now only assume if the Indians had an USCIS and lots of guns. Our sorry white as@@s would still be boned by the socialist Queen of England and the other monarchs of other European countries. We broke the laws when we came here, now the Mexicans are doing so. What goes around comes around. So stop whining and welcome them to this country as all the rest of us illegally pillaged and welcomed ourselves to this country.
I don't want to hear cr@p from any of you right winged, KKK, hillbillies whining anymore. If you don't like it go back to where your forefathers came from and leave the rest of us alone.
Billy Bob: White people built that "better way of life" over generations of hard work, technological innovation, and blood -- it didn't magically appear on this continent by saying "abracadabra." Whites did not get welfare or anything else for "free" and many of them either died or went back to Europe when the going got too tough.
Mexicans are coming here their "better way of life" that's already been built by somebody else--no comparison.
Lowenstein: These immigrants that are hungry for work and don't complain about hard work will once again make America productive.
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You mean like they made California so "productive"? 13 percent unemployment rate, 40 billion dollar deficit, worst public school system in the nation? Yeah, that's the kind of "productiveness" that'll really scare the Chinese.
Mary J.: Don't be an fool. Whites built this nation with hard work sure, but also on the backs of Blacks, Japanese, Irish and now the Mexicans. All these groups were illegals at one time or another.
Immigrants (legal immigrants) and especially illegals hardly ever qualify for any social welfare. This is usually reserved for the lazy CITIZENS. Don't talk before you think. We have plenty of dummies on this post, we don't need another one.
Billy Bob is really Obama's illegal alien Aunt Zuni. She promised to play the droll troll to pay back for the great welfare housing she is enjoying.
That's right Estoban, and it would explain "his" complete lack of understanding of History.
But I am glad he cites the European invasion of the Americas -- pro-US Destruction types always do. He and his low ilk want us to emulate the Indian model, and resign our posterity to living on reservations. His is really a juvenile and unsophisticated understanding of the issue, but important for illustrating what the End Game is to our lack of effective immigration policy.
The correct term is "cojones". "Cajones" means desk drawers.
Amendments to the 1986 Immigration Control and Reform Act may be possible, but if you want to settle in America, you follow the Rule of Law.and enter America through the front gates. READ THE LATEST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NEWS AT NUMBERSUSA & BEFOREITSNEWS. CORRUPTION NEWS AT JUDICIAL WATCH. INFORM EVERY STATE POLITICIAN IN YOUR CONSTITUENCY YOUR ANGRY. JOIN MILLIONS AND CALL THE WASHINGTON SWITCHBOARD AT 202-224-3121. INSURE THAT YOUR POLITICIANS- AIDE LOG IN YOUR FRUSTRATED COMPLAINTS AND DON'T TAKE--NO--FOR AN ANSWER! Dump out of office every incumbent politician, Governors, Mayors, Judges or any other elected official, beginning with majority leader Sen.Harry Reid in midterm elections and add Chuck Schumer, Speaker,Nancy Pelosi who favors the illegal immigration occupation of this nation
Whatever the outcome of the discussions between Sen. Chuck Schumer, Lindsey Graham of any other partisanship play on the illegal immigration explosion. No matter if our politicians to erode E-Verify, 287 (g) federal agreement with local police, slowing down on ICE raids or whatever method they us to confuse the public, these enforcement programs will remain.
No distraction will ever work, as American citizens are sick and tired of remaining jobless, while an estimated 8 million illegal nationals collect a pay checks--no matter the amount. We want our jobs back for a own kids, veterans and seniors, instead of companies hiring discount workers. We are now dealing with the monstrous backlash of astronomic costs, that have amplified in support for illegal aliens who have cheated the entitlement system.
We will take the late Senator Ted Kennedy at his word, when he stated in 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill: “This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.” End of Quote. OVER 5 MILLION GOT NATIONALIZED. SO BE IT! We will take this venerated, liberal politician as his word. NEVER ANOTHER AMNESTY. Whatever law they try to enact, the American people will not tolerate any kind of AMNESTY. Disguise it as they may, no Comprehensive Immigration Reform will ever pass. Illegal aliens will remain "Illegal" and stay that way, as patriotic citizens, sovereignty lovers will--NEVER--allow this abomination to pass.
Brittanicus, why so much hate? Did a sexy immigrant steal your prom date and bone her? Or did an immigrant take your job because you are a lazy incompetent b@stard?
How about you say something new in your posts. I have seen the same cr@p way too many times. Don't hate the immigrants because you are so dull and unoriginal.
I Have zero respect for lou dobbs, he has truly sold out on this issue and screw crap o'reilly
this is dangerous and incomprehensible
I agree that this is a sinister, totalitarian idea, but I think it also over-estimates the competency of the federal government. This is another bait and switch. They CLAIM they are going to set up some kind of fool-proof ID system to prevent illegals from getting jobs. But FIRST they want to pass the amnesty, now, right away, immediately, please let us!! and THEN we'll get right to work on that ID system to prevent future illegals from working.
Except that they won’t ever get around to the ID system.
Look at DHS’s record in carrying out previous congressional technology mandates of this sort: the "virtual" fence, the "no fly" list, the scanning of incoming freight, the system that allows Border Patrol stations to communicate with each other, access FBI databases and identify criminals, I could go on, but you get my drift. None of it is ever done effectively. They spend billions and it doesn’t work.
Those who, quite reasonably, fear this ID plan can take comfort in how extremely
...unlikely it is to ever be established as advertised. It is just one more lie they are willing to tell in order to get their amnesty plan passed. Better to focus on what they are actually trying to do rather that what they say they are trying to do. Does anyone really believe Chuck Schumer and take him at his word?
Hey Sarah, will you be my prom date?
Jess,
Thanks for the keen eye and the correction has been made. The misspelling of the word is common enough that it is noted in the Wiki dictionary.
Brilliant. Turn this nation into what immigrants are trying to get away from. Get a clue.
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET DRUNK AND RUN OVER MORE IMMIGRANT WATER STATIONS IN THE DESERT. MKAES ME THIRSTY JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.
It's OK Carl, I know you aren't very familiar with any cultures foreign to your own BBQ filled existence.
Lou Dobbs has done more to fight illegal immigration than you could ever hope to accomplish with your plagiarized rants and fake pay-triot groups.
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