Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.
The 58-39 vote Wednesday defeated a measure giving people with concealed weapons permits the right to carry their firearms into other states that have similar gun laws.
I'll post the votes when I get them.
UPDATE:
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
| Question: |
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| Vote Number: | 237 | Vote Date: | July 22, 2009, 12:01 PM |
| Required For Majority: | 3/5 | Vote Result: | Amendment Rejected |
| Amendment Number: | S.Amdt. 1618 to S. 1390 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010) | ||
| Statement of Purpose: | To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State. | ||
| Vote Counts: | YEAs | 58 |
| NAYs | 39 | |
| Not Voting | 3 |
| Vote Summary | By Senator Name | By Vote Position | By Home State |
| Akaka (D-HI), Nay Alexander (R-TN), Yea Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Baucus (D-MT), Yea Bayh (D-IN), Yea Begich (D-AK), Yea Bennet (D-CO), Yea Bennett (R-UT), Yea Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Bond (R-MO), Yea Boxer (D-CA), Nay Brown (D-OH), Nay Brownback (R-KS), Yea Bunning (R-KY), Yea Burr (R-NC), Yea Burris (D-IL), Nay Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Cardin (D-MD), Nay Carper (D-DE), Nay Casey (D-PA), Yea Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Coburn (R-OK), Yea Cochran (R-MS), Yea Collins (R-ME), Yea Conrad (D-ND), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea DeMint (R-SC), Yea Dodd (D-CT), Nay Dorgan (D-ND), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Nay Ensign (R-NV), Yea |
Enzi (R-WY), Yea Feingold (D-WI), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Nay Franken (D-MN), Nay Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay Graham (R-SC), Yea Grassley (R-IA), Yea Gregg (R-NH), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay Hatch (R-UT), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Yea Johanns (R-NE), Yea Johnson (D-SD), Yea Kaufman (D-DE), Nay Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay Kohl (D-WI), Nay Kyl (R-AZ), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Leahy (D-VT), Nay Levin (D-MI), Nay Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay Martinez (R-FL), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Yea |
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay Merkley (D-OR), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Murray (D-WA), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Nay Nelson (D-NE), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea Reed (D-RI), Nay Reid (D-NV), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea Specter (D-PA), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay Tester (D-MT), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay Wicker (R-MS), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Nay |
| Vote Summary | By Senator Name | By Vote Position | By Home State |
| YEAs ---58 | ||
| Alexander (R-TN) Barrasso (R-WY) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Begich (D-AK) Bennet (D-CO) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burr (R-NC) Casey (D-PA) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corker (R-TN) Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID) |
DeMint (R-SC) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Feingold (D-WI) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagan (D-NC) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johanns (R-NE) Johnson (D-SD) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lincoln (D-AR) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) |
McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Tester (D-MT) Thune (R-SD) Udall (D-CO) Udall (D-NM) Vitter (R-LA) Warner (D-VA) Webb (D-VA) Wicker (R-MS) |
| NAYs ---39 | ||
| Akaka (D-HI) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Burris (D-IL) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feinstein (D-CA) Franken (D-MN) Gillibrand (D-NY) |
Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Kaufman (D-DE) Kerry (D-MA) Klobuchar (D-MN) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (ID-CT) Lugar (R-IN) McCaskill (D-MO) Menendez (D-NJ) |
Merkley (D-OR) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sanders (I-VT) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Specter (D-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Voinovich (R-OH) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR) |
| Not Voting - 3 | ||
| Byrd (D-WV) | Kennedy (D-MA) | Mikulski (D-MD) |
| Vote Summary | By Senator Name | By Vote Position | By Home State |
| Alabama: | Sessions (R-AL), Yea | Shelby (R-AL), Yea |
| Alaska: | Begich (D-AK), Yea | Murkowski (R-AK), Yea |
| Arizona: | Kyl (R-AZ), Yea | McCain (R-AZ), Yea |
| Arkansas: | Lincoln (D-AR), Yea | Pryor (D-AR), Yea |
| California: | Boxer (D-CA), Nay | Feinstein (D-CA), Nay |
| Colorado: | Bennet (D-CO), Yea | Udall (D-CO), Yea |
| Connecticut: | Dodd (D-CT), Nay | Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay |
| Delaware: | Carper (D-DE), Nay | Kaufman (D-DE), Nay |
| Florida: | Martinez (R-FL), Yea | Nelson (D-FL), Nay |
| Georgia: | Chambliss (R-GA), Yea | Isakson (R-GA), Yea |
| Hawaii: | Akaka (D-HI), Nay | Inouye (D-HI), Nay |
| Idaho: | Crapo (R-ID), Yea | Risch (R-ID), Yea |
| Illinois: | Burris (D-IL), Nay | Durbin (D-IL), Nay |
| Indiana: | Bayh (D-IN), Yea | Lugar (R-IN), Nay |
| Iowa: | Grassley (R-IA), Yea | Harkin (D-IA), Nay |
| Kansas: | Brownback (R-KS), Yea | Roberts (R-KS), Yea |
| Kentucky: | Bunning (R-KY), Yea | McConnell (R-KY), Yea |
| Louisiana: | Landrieu (D-LA), Yea | Vitter (R-LA), Yea |
| Maine: | Collins (R-ME), Yea | Snowe (R-ME), Yea |
| Maryland: | Cardin (D-MD), Nay | Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting |
| Massachusetts: | Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting | Kerry (D-MA), Nay |
| Michigan: | Levin (D-MI), Nay | Stabenow (D-MI), Nay |
| Minnesota: | Franken (D-MN), Nay | Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay |
| Mississippi: | Cochran (R-MS), Yea | Wicker (R-MS), Yea |
| Missouri: | Bond (R-MO), Yea | McCaskill (D-MO), Nay |
| Montana: | Baucus (D-MT), Yea | Tester (D-MT), Yea |
| Nebraska: | Johanns (R-NE), Yea | Nelson (D-NE), Yea |
| Nevada: | Ensign (R-NV), Yea | Reid (D-NV), Yea |
| New Hampshire: | Gregg (R-NH), Yea | Shaheen (D-NH), Nay |
| New Jersey: | Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay | Menendez (D-NJ), Nay |
| New Mexico: | Bingaman (D-NM), Nay | Udall (D-NM), Yea |
| New York: | Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay | Schumer (D-NY), Nay |
| North Carolina: | Burr (R-NC), Yea | Hagan (D-NC), Yea |
| North Dakota: | Conrad (D-ND), Yea | Dorgan (D-ND), Yea |
| Ohio: | Brown (D-OH), Nay | Voinovich (R-OH), Nay |
| Oklahoma: | Coburn (R-OK), Yea | Inhofe (R-OK), Yea |
| Oregon: | Merkley (D-OR), Nay | Wyden (D-OR), Nay |
| Pennsylvania: | Casey (D-PA), Yea | Specter (D-PA), Nay |
| Rhode Island: | Reed (D-RI), Nay | Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay |
| South Carolina: | DeMint (R-SC), Yea | Graham (R-SC), Yea |
| South Dakota: | Johnson (D-SD), Yea | Thune (R-SD), Yea |
| Tennessee: | Alexander (R-TN), Yea | Corker (R-TN), Yea |
| Texas: | Cornyn (R-TX), Yea | Hutchison (R-TX), Yea |
| Utah: | Bennett (R-UT), Yea | Hatch (R-UT), Yea |
| Vermont: | Leahy (D-VT), Nay | Sanders (I-VT), Nay |
| Virginia: | Warner (D-VA), Yea | Webb (D-VA), Yea |
| Washington: | Cantwell (D-WA), Nay | Murray (D-WA), Nay |
| West Virginia: | Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting | Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay |
| Wisconsin: | Feingold (D-WI), Yea | Kohl (D-WI), Nay |
| Wyoming: | Barrasso (R-WY), Yea | Enzi (R-WY), Yea |
| Vote Summary | By Senator Name | By Vote Position | By Home State |
Comments
The votes are available:
www(dot)senate(dot)gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00237
It looks like we can thank George Voinovich of Ohio and Dick Lugar of Indiana for the 2-vote deficit.
Thanks--just got through posting them. As you may know, I had mixed feelings about the Thune amendment, but agree that George and Dick did not object as a matter of any pro-RKBA principle on their part.
Nays:
NAYs ---39
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
I was personally in favor of this measure, although I do understand your sensible reservations (and I respect that you still made your readers aware of what was at stake so they could make an informed choice on their own).
I'm at peace with the 10th Amendment/States' rights issues that some people have raised by virtue of the fact that the right to bear arms should (and soon will, hopefully) apply to all the states equally. If Congress were trying to mandate that states honor each others' real estate licenses, then I would object. This is simply a step toward reducing the ability of states to infringe upon a fundamental civil right.
The net result of the measure would have been more citizens, carrying defensive firearms more easily, in more places - a positive step.
National reciprocity has been floating around for years, but this is the first time I remember it gaining any real traction. I do not believe it will be the last.
20 Democrats voting Yea including some pleasant surprises.
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagan (D-NC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Nelson and Specter also get credit for spiking it.
Bummer it didn't pass, but there is some irony in fighting for an inherent right that already exists. It's like asking for permission when you don't need it.
Brutus,
I agree that constitutionally we don't need the permission, but here at Reality and Main ...
Back when I lived in Maryland, a number of my R2KBA brethren espoused the "Vermont Carry or Nothing" doctrine. They have continued to be rewarded with the latter for decades.
No big surprises there I guess. Just have to work through the no's and see which ones are up for re-election and vulnerable.
Oh yes - I already fired off emails to both my senators, thanking one for his yes vote, and chastising the other for her no. Probably wasted bits, but never hurts.
Voinovich. Figures Senator Emptysuit would stick it to us on the way out the door.
Mine were failures as well. Byrd is supposedly back, and as much as I dislike him and his spotty record on guns, he should have been good for a Y on this one. Instead he missed the vote.
Rockefeller is just worthless.
I see ol' Arlen Specter workin' real hard to fit in with his new buddies.
Well, this is hardly going to be the final word on the subject. The Infamous Lawhobbit has it right, this one is worth winning. From what I've heard Thune and his allies say I doubt they are going to give up. I made sure to mention that in my post-vote communications with my Senate-critters, too. All we need is a two vote net gain in the mid-terms. Gunnies are in a lot better shape than republicans. (grin)
I've sent "thank yous" to both my Texas Senators.
I also had mixed feelings about the proposed amendment. Hopefully, NRA v Chicago and McDonald v Chicago will turn out well even though I believe the 2nd Amendment and the 14th Amendment should be able to stand alone without the SCOTUS's stamp of approval. Of course I've heard from almost every government agency I've ever contacted that laws and bureaucratic regulations "don't really mean what they say, unless (of course) we say they do".
I guess I must be losing it here...How did this measure fail when the vote was 58 Yea's to 39 Nay's? Was it specifically a vote to reject? Couldn't have been, Thune wouldn't vote against his own measure...There's 58 votes to include, how did this fail?
Warthog,
They needed 60 votes for this. Threw me at first too.
Don't you love the AP spin? A 58-39 pro-gun vote is a "victory for gun-control proponents."
Yeah, "you're doing a hell of a job, Brownie!"
We'll be back.
I watched the vote on C-SPAN2. Pryor (D-AR) first voted NAY, and then, at the very end when it was obvious that the amendment would fail, changed his vote to AYE.
I just thought of something, David. Didn't Obama say that he would sign a bill that banned concealed carry on a Federal level? Well, IIRC, the Thune Amendment was defeated on the basis of State's rights. At least, that was Schumer's argument. This should make it much harder for the Obomination to seek to pass a Federal ban on concealed carry. So, we might have a silver lining in this evil cloud of an Obama administration after all.
Crotalus-Shhh...
You're showing my hand for tomorrow's GRE column...:)
Gillibrand was such a disappointment...Chuck Schumer was expected to continue to beleive that NYers are not smart or mature enough to care for themselves and their own self-defense...i did not expect this from Ms. Gillibrand. Elections are coming and I will tell you this is a VERY important issue
I failed to do the necessary math.
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