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Carolyn McCarthy is at it again.
Unsuccessful (at present) in her quest to ban "the shoulder thing that goes up," she now maintains she can make an impact on violent crime by...uh...I'm not sure what she thinks this is going to do. But she does want to give more power to an agency where its own employees crying foul due to corruption are being ignored both by the legislature and the media. Why we'd want to do that is anybody's guess...
The text is not available on GovTrack--yet. So I'll present it here.
Go ahead and just read this for now. We'll have plenty of opportunity to discuss it later.
[Thanks to W-III]
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There's that *90% of shoulder thing's that go up* part again.....
So what does this say in English? That I'm not allowed to buy more than 2 guns? I am confused how this will affect crime.
While I look forward to David's commentary, the way I read this is that:
- An FFL can not transfer more than 2 firearms to a person at a time, without doing a background check
- An FFL can not transport more than 2 firearms at a time to a transfer location, without doing a background check on the buyer(s)
- The whole transaction is exempt from prosecution if a background check is done on each person buying the firearm(s)
I probably missed a whole bunch of 'ah haas' so I am looking forward to a plain english review. My gut tells me this is meant to crack down on private sales between friends, family, and non-dealers. Collectors, Estate Sales and others will most likely be the majority of victims of this law, as law-breakers tend not to read these things, much less abide by them. I can already see arguments for and against this proposed legislation and can see some common sense in it. I won't be one to rush to judge the message in spite of the author...
Carolyn McCarthy is a pathetic excuse for a human being. She is a one issue politician that uses fear to control her constituents.
All this sounds like an end run around the Tiahrt Amendment so shills like McCarthy and mayors against illegal guns can data mine firearms records and manipulate that data for malicious political purposes.
Page 7 Section 4 titled "Cracking down on corrupt gun dealers" should read "Cracking down on corrupt politicians".
What is being made illegal here that has not already been legislated against? Is it not currently illegal to make straw purchases? is it not already illegal to sell firearms to felons? is this only a mandate for background checks on any kind of firearms 'transfer' whether the firearm is sold between two parties or simply lent between friends or among family members?
Oh my aching head...
I tried to read and analyze the bill. I didn't even make it halfway, but I found:
- Most crime guns come from black market.
- Make it illegaller to sell guns on black market.
- Section 3 (932a1(C)) is so jumbled, that it doesn't actually do anything except make it legal for licensed manufactures, dealers, and transporters to lie to themselves. While 932a1(D) would make it even more illegaller to sell guns illegally.
- Deletes 1 clause from the Atomic Energy Act of 1953 with another clause without saying what the clause is. She may be outlawing nuclear hand grenades; I don't know.
- Lets the AG designate a gun dealer as "high risk" if they can trace too many crime guns to him, or if they can't complete traces to him. Really.
At that point my brain cells beggged for mercy, and I stopped reading.
Who ties McCarthy's shoelaces for her?
Oops: Atomic Energy Act of 1954. My neurons were still reelling from the attempt to lower myself to McCarthy's intellectual level. I'm going to require scotch to recover completely.
I can't make out exactly the reasoning behind the oft-mentioned 2 gun limit, as it seems to apply to licensed operators (who have to do background checks for sales anyway); it doesn't seem to apply to private sales.
The latter half of the bill looked like it added some new civil penalties, and may be changing some criminal penalties, but when my frontal lobe imploded, I had to stop.
This display of illogic, lack of understanding of current law, poor grammar, psychotic use of cut&paste actually ranks up there with her explanation of barrel shrouds. Her staffers need to give back her PlaySkool toys and stop letting her work on bills.
From a once-thru read, it looks like this would make it even more illegal to break the law. This is straight from the "Do something, anything, even if its stupid" school of legislation.
I know I will be accused of being heartless and excessively mean spirited but I have noticed over the years that people of that stripe actually revel in the loss of their loved one. Ok, I grant that there was probably genuine sorrow immediately following such a horrible loss. But then I notice the glee with which they embrace their second generation victimhood, remember they were not the real victims, so their victimhood is once removed.
They suddenly find themselves listened to and taken seriously, they gain fame and/or notoriety. They become known and launch whole careers made possible by the heinous act perpetrated on their loved one. They never with a few exceptions fight for things that would have saved their lost one, but instead campaign for reducing everyone else to their lost one's helpless status.
Which causes me to think that people such as this would not, if given the opportunity, reverse the situation and have their loved one not die at the hands of another. [cont]
[cont] Does anyone seriously believe that Carolyn McCarthy valued her husband more than she values the political career his murder made possible? I don't. I don't, simply because she has done all she could to place others at the same unwinnable risk her husband was in on that train. Had she valued him more than she values the goodies his death brought her, she would be working to see that it didn't happen to others.
It is time to publicly call these people on it. Sure, they'll scream how mean and despicable we are, but they do that anyway. It is time for us to expose them to others who haven't paid attention to some simple principles. "If you don't like what happened you don't keep doing it", would certainly put the lie to their protests for anybody who thinks. And just may open some eyes for some who heretofore have refused to think.
this federalizes pretty much any state (or local) gun law "affecting interstate commerce." it makes it a federal crime to break a state law, and names the entire I-95 corridor -- the eastern seaboard itself -- as a major gun trafficking conduit. in other words, the entire country, including alaska, becomes new york city.
"interstate commerce," by the way, includes when you make any exchange inside your own state (you've deprived the realm of interstate commerce of an exchange, so you've affected interstate commerce). there's case history for that. just so you know.
Jon, you just hit on something that made a synapse pop...States' Rights and Interstate Commerce. This may in fact be codifying 'gaps' in current legislation regarding efforts of States like Montana and Tennessee to enforce their sovereignty. This may be a preemptive strike prior to the Supreme Court case being heard in the Spring '10. Any more thoughts on this?
BTW: The comment about making the US just like NY isn't that far off. Remember NY is known for all of its alcohol prohibitions, few know that those restrictions were sponsored by the 'Only Ones' allowed to transport, sell & distribute alcohol. This just tightened their grip and ensured the continuation of their racket. I'm sure it is hard-enough in NY to get an FFL & business license. It's not what you know but who you know, and this may be the trick to shut down the "who you know" channels.
The black market? Isn't that the place on the corner of Madison and Liberty where everything they sell is illegal? Gee, they ought to shut that place down.
Uninterested in delivering a rehash on Colin Ferguson, the racist psychopathic Jamaican-national who married into U.S. citizenship, legally bought a handgun in California, broke nearly every 'gun control law' on the books and proceeded to murder and maim unarmed-by-law victims on the Long Island commuter train--including killing Carolyn’s husband and wounding her son--and Carolyn sued everyone she could think of and ran and was elected on a ’gun control’ platform…
Among numerous pertinent questions would be--what has Carolyn done about immigrant control? Chain-citizenship? Illegal aliens?Does she not know how many GUN CRIMES are committed by illegal aliens? That many gang members wreaking havoc on U.S. Citizens using GUNS and other weapons are illegal aliens and possession of a GUN by an illegal alien is, uh, illegal?
How about making it more difficult for green card holders to have access to GUNS, like the South-Korean national who murdered students at V.Tech?
Not to worry straightarrow, I’ll take the edge off the possibility of you being considered even remotely ’mean spirited’ by saying that in general --women in politics have been every bit as instrumental to destruction of the Republic as the hippies in the ‘60 and their drug culture has been on society as a whole.
SA, of interest to your comments here, that dynamic was (I thought) exceedingly well covered by the creepy tune "Coattails of a Dead Man", by a marvelously obnoxious act called Primus.
An excerpt:
She cried in the day, she cried in the night.
She cried loudest when someone was near.
Whether crying for him or she cried for herself,
the bigger the camera, the bigger the tear.
Most folks agree that she was living a hell
and publicly she showed her pain.
And never once was there a thought for herself,
and the ever-growing slices of fortune and fame.
Now on the coattails of a dead man she'll ride
on the coattails of a dead man she'll ride.
On the coattails of a dead man she'll ride she'll ride,
on the coattails of a dead man she'll ride she'll ride high.
(lyric captured in full at elyrics.net/read/p/primus-lyrics/coattails-of-a-dead-man-lyrics.html. The whole narrative appropriately suggests the bigger, circular problem. Well-done.)
For some reason while I was reading the bill I was hearing Dean Wormer putting Belushi's fraternity on "double secret probation" in "Animal House". Can't imagine why the US Congress would remind me of that movie. Must be getting cynical in my old age.
But the real problem lies under the surface. There are supposed adults, lots of them, in New York who voted for this ditzy woman. MANY TIMES! They can't all be on meds, can they?
"They can't all be on meds, can they?"-DDS
DDS, I don't think there are any meds to treat stupidity.
Over 90% of crime guns come from the "black market"? Isn't a "black market" essentially an illegal capitalist market in a socialist society? How is there a black market for items legal to sell in a capitalist society? I vote to rename this the "Capitalism Prevention Act of 2009".
The text of this bill makes no sense. Much of it boils down to "It is illegal to knowingly do something illegal." If raising the penalties for existing crimes is what they wanted to do, why not write a bill to do that? I guess that would show just how little they're actually doing to prevent crime.
It is time for the people of Long Island to get rid of this ignorant one trick pony, who knows nothing about firearms or how they are use by law-abiding citizens to defend their lives against criminals, like the one on the long island railroad.
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