Money May in his press conference finery (AP Photo)
Talks between representatives of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao to try to put together a fight between the two pound for pound champions will soon take place.
In fact they might be happening right now; this latest round of negotiations are wisely being conducted behind closed doors and with a gagging order for all involved.
But is the position of either side really any different from the last time, and has anything changed that will make the fight more or less likely?
The purse split and venue was agreed upon last time out, with an equal purse split and Las Vegas as the venue. That was before Pacquiao had fought in the Cowboys stadium and before Mayweather had sold well against Mayweather though. The purse split this time might be tipped slightly in Mayweather's favor for selling slightly more than Pacquiao did against Cotto, although not by a significant amount.
Bob Arum and company would obviously prefer to stage the fight in Dallas again, where not only would more people be able to see it, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones would supplement the money each side would make through the bidding process. Vegas is Mayweather's home turf these days though, and he wasn't keen on leaving it last time. Pacquiao himself likely does not care where the fight takes place though so long as it does, so Vegas is still the most likely location.
If the fight doesn't get made, which fighter has the better alternative options?
For the moment, both have other fights that they could take. Middleweight champion Sergio Martinez has expressed interest in fighting Mayweather and Pacquiao has his pick from the Top Rank stable. If either get really desperate for someone to fight, if one of the champions eventually unifies the light welterweight titles, then they would make a suitably high profile opponent.
The all important testing was the big issue that stopped the fight from happening before, and it still might again now. Both sides seem to be more open to compromise this time though, and the issues are already apparent before anyone started talking. Last time the testing seemed to take everyone by surprise and rip apart the negotiations fairly quickly, even after everything else had been settled.
The last time the talks were in session, an impasse had been reached between the two sides. Mayweather's side wanted the cut off for blood taking set at 14 days and Pacquiao's at 24 days. Meeting in the middle doesn't seem like a big concession to me, but then again the egos involved are both not going to back down easily. Pacquiao's will argue he will be weakened if the cut off is too short, and Mayweather will argue that some drugs can be used and flushed from the system within 24 days.
An alternative but costly method of 'testing' without having to take blood from either fighter would be to have representatives from the USADA or a similar testing body stay with the fighters at all times. It might sound ridiculous and it would definitely be costly, but with testing agents never less than ten feet away, it would be hard for anyone to use drugs. If either fighter slips away or leaves the sight of the testers, then they have to give an immediate blood sample for testing.
The timing of the fight now might make getting a deal done more prescient to both sides. Pacquiao has said numerous times that he intends to retire before long and Mayweather has said that he can feel his abilities slipping as he gets older. Even against Mosley, Floyd was much less mobile than everyone expected, although whether this was because he didn't need to move much rather than couldn't is debatable.
Also the debate and interest in the fight has reached fever pitch, and this will only last for so long. Just look at Jones vs. Hopkins II for a preview of what could happen if Floyd and Manny can't agree to terms fairly soon.
Drian Brown, Philly: "Mayweather ain't going to back down from his 14 day cut off and he shouldn't have to. Some drugs can be detected at 14 days but cant be at 24. Sounds like someone at Top Rank wants some extra cycle time for Pacman"
Colin Jacobs, Pittsburgh: "Mayweather can make $40 million fighting Pacquiao, or he can make the same from easy fights like Mosley. Pacquiao makes less than $20 million per fight because he signed up with the wrong promoter. It's Pacquiao who needs this fight to happen not Floyd"
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WHY DOES MAYWEATHER EVEN WANT HES OWN DRUG TESTING, BECAUSE HES DAD SAID NOT TO FIGHT MANNY CUZZ OR HE WILL GET K.O LIKE THE HITMAN..TOO MUCH YEPPING...
TALK AS CHEAP....
Pacquiao dont need the fight. he is already a billionaire in the philippines. remember, $1 = to P45. try to compute all his earnings. and you'll be amazed.
Manny have endorsements, numerous businesses from all over the country, a showbiz career and a political career(think about the pork barrel its worth millions). He owns several office buildings for crissakes!!! Manny doesn't need the floyd fight!!!
drop the rubbish demands and lets get it on
BRING IT ON...And apply the rules on drug testing of the strictest Athletic Commission!!! Pacquiao has said he will comply with rules of the concerned authority! Not with the whims and caprices of his opponent that villify him IN THE PROCESS!!!
hey all. lets level the playing field.
both fighters take random blood testing.
both fighters fight at 140lbs.
both fighters get 50-50 share.
both fighters will pay $10M per pound in excess of the 140lbs.
By the way, is pacman challenging mayweather or is it mayweather challenging pacman? eitherway, the challenger should submit to the conditions of the champion. then again, who is the legal champ?
Mayweather is getting brave and will back down from his stupid demands. He honestly actually believe that he can beat Pacquiao, but he cannot. Mayweather is going expose himself from his own trogan horse.
The reason why the fight hasn't happened already is because F@guiao doesn't want to have his blood taken close to a fight...He could have taken the test,,,taken the money instead of blaming Floyd for making him look stupid f@99et boy did it to himself...What the frick did he expect people to think? He ducked Marquez,,,ducked the old Mosley,,,ducked Forman and now he's trying his best to duck Floyd Mayweather...F@guiao needs to pick his nuts up take the fricken test and get in the ring with nomore excusses because the next time he ducks Floyd Mayweather he is going to be #1 P4P on nobodies list...puzzy!
floyd vs pacquiao will never happen and it is the best alternative for floyd. floyd has just to maintain his "0" and he could if he just picks an opponent in a year basis. he can just be contented harvesting green bucks with many fighters hungry to fight him for bigger paydays.
floyd doesnt need pacquaio, floyd detractors will just say the only reason pac lost was because he was the smaller guy, a congress men, blood drained , etc etc. just like the mosely fight.the only reason for floyd to continue is for money and apparently he can make alot of it without having to pacquaio, so pac can just fight margocheato if he wants but he wont make gangbusters like floyd.
If Money will again find ways to duck Manny, the former should has no other options but to fight other highly-rated fighters in Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams or Timothy Bradly. The smallest on the line is Manny Pacquiao, and the fans clamor for it. Fighting Manny is inevitable for Money. Manny wants to fight Money not for the Monies, but the people of Sarangani, the Filipinos as a whole and for the world to know who is the best.
F@guiao vs Margacheato wont even compare to Mayweather vs Williams or Martinez so the only option he realy has is to take the test and fight...Bob Arum knows this and that's why he's doing his best to make the fight...Floyd Mayweather would continue making 40 million without F@gauio and all these a4s lickers know it.
@#1floydfan: you must be a total idiot with your kind of reasoning. maybe you were born a mongoloid or better, let yourself be checked up if you still have some brain cells left. all the time it seems your logic comes dirrectly through your a..hole that nobody can understand you f..ckin'idiot! take your hand out of your a..hole... idiot!
@ boxingf@g
That's all youve been saying to me,,,idiot,,,idiot,,,A-hole? Is that all you got? Im wrecking your boy and all you got to say to me is idiot,,,idiot,,,A-hole...What im saying is pretty basic to understand and if your having problem you need to take your dumb a$s back to school fool! The fight aint happening because F@guiao is a cheater and he knows without that crack he's taking he would get his a4s handed to him.
1. Get the blood 1 second after the fight.
2. Floyd beat an old man who boxed well 1 decade ago.
3. Floyd can't stop talking Pacman. Floyd needs Pacman.
4. Pac fought bigger, fresher hall of famers. Floyd's list include aged & small boxers.
5. Floyd won't fight evenly against Pacman. He needs the reach, height & weight advantage.
6. Right Scott, nothing's new. It's the same Mayweather. Forget Mayweather is fine. Pacman need not fight Floyd anymore.
@#1floydfan: why not come to the philippines and show us if you are much different than the pigs we are roasting here...or we might make a sort of balut out of you! not for human consumption but our animals in the zoos, but first we have to rip off your thick stinky black skin to make you a bit salivating for them!
1. It's going to be 14 days or no days
2. Floyd beat an old man whom F@gauio ducked
3. Floyds making more money than F@guiao
4. F@guiao never beat any elite in thier primes
5. Floyd's the guy asking for an even playing feild
6. You sound like your worried ha ha
@#1floydfan: your mind is in reverse mode obviously logic is coming out of your a..hole! you can't wreck pacquiao in your kind of a creature, you're just a lump, a mole, a worm that can just creep on a dirty, stinky rotten rat!
The Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight match MAY NOT eventuate.
The Mayweathers are due to face court hearings within the next weeks and months for criminal charges against Roger M. and potentially against Floyd.
If the court appearances, and probable convictions - it may prove improbable for the 'Dream Fight' to take place this year or maybe in the forseeable future if the length of their jail terms are into years!
I guess, Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao and other well wishers have come to naught.
If Manny and Floyd gets the publicity machinery on the spin, 'The Honorable vs the Dishonorable'. That will be a great catch cry for boxing fans to toy around!
Roger Mayweather may well be having his last holiday as a free man as he is due to face court next month (June).
Whereas Floyd may well be preoccupied with probable criminal charges to be filed against him that he won't have the freedom to fight this year.
If the grand jury finds Floyd guilty, that's it!
hey Floydiots.. PAC made it clear that if the commission demands the test, he will honor it.. Roach even told floyd that if he really wants the fight to happen, he have to do it the right way and go to the commission and request for the test and we're good to go.. but your idol chicken-duck wants the USADA to do the testing.. what up with that??
this negotiation is getting more difficult than the first one, Mayweather surely will play more hard to get than previous.
1. unlikely mayweather will agree to 50/50 split purse
2. stand firm in his self imposed blood test rules.
3. He is more unwilling or hesitant to fight Manny, at this point.
the only hope their is the Green mon$ter, hoping he can find a way bec. it is bigger than any fight in history....
what if F and M figth in 140lbs and test will be done 5days before the figth.is there disadvantage?
Boxingf@g if I ever do come to your rundown pi$$ poor country i'll be in full force....Probably to save your Cowardly a4ses from another invasion....Everybody who's anybody knows youv been ruled by everyone from Spain to Japan but unless Kristas gonna gimme some a4s I think i'll pass puzzy!!!Don't start getting all racist on me either panface because im neither black nor yellow.
Floyd says that all he wants is the test, PAC is willing to give him the test if the NSAC demands it.. random blood test and everything.. but he wants the USADA to do the testing, but i thought he only wants the test now why is he asking for another agency to do his stupid test.. i dont get it.
all i can say is putang ina mo floyd mayweather jr. .putang ina mo.. putang ina mo....
Colin Jacobs, Pittsburgh: "Mayweather can make $40 million fighting Pacquiao, or he can make the same from easy fights like Mosley. Pacquiao makes less than $20 million per fight because he signed up with the wrong promoter. It's Pacquiao who needs this fight to happen not Floyd"
and yeah pacman is a billionaire in the philippines.. PLEASE dont forget that ...lol
In my own opinion, the key in this fight to happen is on Floyd. there is no known boxing news ever cross me that a bigger fighter demanded a self imposed drug-testing or whatsoever condition against a fighter they called less talented,one dimensional,does not know how to through a punch, etc.etc.etc
and told the public they want a fight on a fair ground.
its like a japanese tora-tora, attack first declare war later.
every fair human being can understand this.and know who's the afraid-one.
To all Floyd fans, if you think Floyd is the greatest, then he is, what's the big deal... If you think he is the best, then he is, is there any problem with that? But the question is, who is the real? Just beat the 7x7 of Manny...
Gayweather will insist on having the fight happen in LAS VEGAS because of his Xylocaine addiction which is prohibited in other venues. To me even Gayweather wins the fight against Pacquiao he'll remain as a barbaric non educated chimp.
@dian brown
could be more clearer if you explain why drug can be detected 14 days but cant be 24 hr...and how does the drug help boxer if it is taken 14 days and 24 hrs....what about blood test after the fight?....IM NOT A BOXER BUT IF I AM TAKING PED OR STEROIDS I COULD BE AS GOOD AS MANNY ISN'T IT...I COULD POSSIBLY BEAT THE BEST BOXERS RIGHT NOW LIKE FLOYD AND MANNY...
Gayweather sucks! just fight Pacquiao with the roids you chicken! Better than Ali who are you kidding? Only yourself! #1? Pleaseee Marquez was only a lightweight!
Scott do you know what's going to be different? Moneyman's gonna want more money!
my opinion is better not to expect that this fight will happen, knowing that it’s fact both this camp had this bad blood between them, no side will concede to what the other side is asking. the more we tried our reasons and opinions in order this fight to happen, we will just become frustrated and disappointed the second time. debates are endless and we’ll just hope God intervene to have this thing settled once and for all inside the ring. if this fail the second time, let us agree to boycott their incoming fights and save our money. now is the time for both pacquiao and floyd to give the fans the only fight that matters, no ifs, no buts. we have made them rich and popular. they claim that they want to give the fans great fights, anyway. let them feel now that is the fans are the one to speak and decide to make this fight happen. no fight between them, BOYCOTT their future fights.
i luv sucking used tampons and Marquez's urine dispenser
Mayweather needs the money, so he needs the fight more than pacquiao
LADY FLOYD NEED TO MAKE MUCH MONEY WHILE STILL YOUNG BECAUSE HE ONLY KNOWS HOW TO BOX AND GBP IS THE BIG BOSS . LADY FLOYD LIVES A LAVISH STYLE THAT IN THE FUTURE HIS MONEY WILL RUN OUT TO PAY DUE TAXES AND HE WILL BE LIKE MIKE.GBP WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF BABY FLOYD FOREVER.
regardless of the luck... still eat your hearts out Floyd... Manny is already a congressman
FLOYD IS THE BEST BOXER OF THE MAYWEATHER FAMILY
PACMAN THE BEST BOXER IN THE WORLD
The difference is Pacquiao is a CONGRESSMAN now and Mayweather is still a ducker!
Has anybody read Kiven Lole's article? I almost pi$$ed myself laughing.
Unless it's a 50-50 split, with an Olympic style drug test, 14 days out, in Vegas, with a rematch clause, at 147 pounds, with 8 oz gloves on, forget about it, it's not happening.
ill gladly drink p e e p e e marquez's p i s s . all the way down!
yummy!
I don't know who is more classless, Floyd Mayweather or Pacquiao fans. It's a shame that someone as classy as Pacquiao has some of the most classless and ignorant fans.
For Real says:
I don't know who is more classless, Floyd Mayweather or Pacquiao fans. It's a shame that someone as classy as Pacquiao has some of the most classless and ignorant fans.
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You definitely bring up a good point. However as far as which athlete of the two has the Most Class that is Obvious, like comparing Ben Rothelesberger (Mayweather) to Roger Staubach (Pacquiao)
Pac-Man is not interested of too much money, he has already more than enough. One of the reason why Pac-Man run for Congress because as Congressman he will have a Pork Barrel of 76Million Pesos per year allotment and he will no longer take out money from his own pocket to give to his Poor constituents. Everyday there are Poor Constituents infront of his House asking for Dole Out. Manny is not a Money Manny - SO HE DON'T NEED TOO MUCH MONEY, He has more than enough. Floyd is the Money Floyd. MONEY is his GOD.
floydfan putang ina mo
Trimedia is making a big difference in the nego between the Pacman and gaychickenfloyd. When Kevin Iole said in his Yahoo ranking site, that the bout will not happen, he is only encouraging the chimpfloyd to duck the pacbull. Everybody in the media should be optimistic and write positive write-ups that the bout should happen to determine the "real" P4P King. This Kevin Iole is d*mb, he is not using his coconut bald shell. This baldy s**t is the author why the chickengayfloyd retained the P4P King title without even beating the No. 1 P4P KING kong pacquiao. The socalled yahoo ranking elite boxing writers offered in a silver platter to their chimp boss the "nonsense" title...
floyd needs the money more. it is his way of life. the pacman
knows how to spend his money. yes he is generous to a fault
but he is not stupid. he earns in dollars, but , he spends in pesos which as of present is 1 to 45. dollar earning retirees
who live in the philippines know what i am talking about.
According to D Tywart (USADA) the result for the blood testing to come out would be approximately ONE MONTH TO GET THE RESULTS. The question WHY KEEP ON ASKING FOR 14 DAYS WHEN IN FACT THE BLOOD TESTING AND URINE TEST RESULTS WOULD TAKE ONE MONTH? ************ HOW ABOUT PSYCHIATRIC TEST FOR GAYWEATHER?
This people are keep comparing Manny with Floyd about their money. Even if Floyd earn 50M a fight he with be broke in future because of his lifestyle. Pacquiao and his family are all set for life. Pacquiao doesn't need bling bling.... he invested his money in businesses not only in stocks. It's is funny when people keep on saying that Floyd have 1MIL on his house.... on the recent article during the election, one of the American writer wrote that it is his first time to see boxes of money and it is in Pacquiao's house.... a TOTAL of 6 million dollars ready to dispose and share to the poor people during the election.
sorry guys, my job at Mickey D has been very stressful.
i've been working double shifts. i flip burgers in the daytime and do toilet cleaning at night. thus, i've been posting senseless stuff.
for relaxation, i lick & sip on Marquez's urine.
taste great/less filling.
hey gayweather, why are you so afraid of the pacman? You are way much bigger, way much better as you keep on reiterating, don't be such a baby you chicken s---t!
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