Pacquiao will leave the details to Roach and Arum (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)Probably the biggest obstacle to a showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is that both fighters will probably want more than 50% of the fight purse.
There have been ideas floated around about both fighters getting 45% and the winner getting the remaining ten percent, but neither fighter has commented on this yet. More than likely there will be a lot of arguing back and forth before anything is agreed to, and even then anything being agreed to at all is far from certain.
Wanting to make a fight and then actually having to sort out the details are two very different things, and this might go down as the greatest fight that never took place. Both Pacquiao and Mayweather have stated that they want the fight, and there are few other opponents out there for either of them that would garner a fraction of the interest that this fight would. Rumors have started about Mayweather rematching Hatton, and Pacquiao fighting Shane Mosley, but these are hardly fights that the boxing public are clamoring to see.
Given that both men will probably want the bigger share of the purse, the question remains as to who deserves it more. Obviously fans inclined either way will simply pick their favorite of the two fighters, but the true test would be which of the two would be creating the most pay pew view buys for the event. Both fighters have large fan bases and can sell big pay pew view numbers in their own right, but which would be contributing the most in this fight?
Well judging on numbers alone, it would appear at first glance like Mayweather is the bigger seller. The problem with this though is that two of his biggest fights, namely against De La Hoya and Hatton, were then repeated by Pacquiao. Obviously few fans gave either opponent much chance against Manny after losing to Floyd, and the numbers were smaller. Had the pair fought Pacquiao first, then I suspect the numbers for those fights would probably have been the bigger, but that remains speculation at this stage.
Manny Pacquiao vs. Oscar De La Hoya vs, 1.25 million buys.
Floyd Mayweather vs. Oscar De La Hoya, 2.4 million buys
Manny Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, 850,000 buys
Floyd Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton, 915,000 buys
*These are only the US figures, and both Ricky Hatton fights are thought to have sold around 1 million pay per views in the U.K. Other international sales aren't published as often, although these figures are generally a reliable standard for international trends as well.
Floyd will demand over 50%, despite all his talk (AP Photo/Jae C, Hong)
Looking at the fights they had after this, Mayweather vs. Marquez and Pacquiao vs. Cotto, is the much more fair judge of their relative drawing power. Although the official figures aren't yet in for the Cotto fight, Bob Arum said: “we are happy because we did well over a million homes and I think it will be closer to 1.5 million.”
Mayweather vs. Marquez sales were reported to be around 1.1 million all told, although Mayweather had his own remarks to make about the better sales from Pacquiao: “I’ve done over a million homes by myself. Now we got Pacquiao and Cotto, two guys who have a pretty cool fan base, so if they do more homes than Mayweather, more power to them, but they supposed to. I don’t have no dance partner,”
The problem looks more likely to have been that Marquez's fans knew he was going to lose, rather than Cotto having a massive following, which he doesn't even in Puerto Rico. Also while a lot of people thought Cotto would beat Pacquiao, or at least give him a close fight, every boxing writer, fan and expert was united in knowing that Marquez would be undersized and outclassed by Mayweather, which in itself could have affected the sales.
Because of this, both fighters can claim to be the biggest seller, although Floyd will certainly be the first one to do so. Pacquiao neither hypes up his fights, nor seems to care about the sales achieved, presumably he sees sales as something for people like Bob Arum and Freddie Roach to worry about.
The verdict then is that defining a clear biggest seller is nearly impossible given the different factors that affect both fighters and the opponents they have chosen. Floyd certainly seems to have picked his opponents better than Pacquiao, beating him to the better sales that De La Hoya and Hatton offered before they were damaged goods. Also Floyd certainly puts in the air time into making his fights big sellers with his constant bragging and attention seeking. Pacquiao relies on the fact that his fans like him as a person, rather than just as a fighter, which is something that few fighters in boxing today can do (Ricky Hatton in the UK, but there aren't many others).
The one thing that is for certain is that a fight between the two would probably beat the current record set by De La Hoya and Mayweather back in 2007. Which of the two would actually sell the most is debatable, but a strong case can be made for either man.
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Manny is new welterweight belt champion.
Mayweather, beltless.
Therefore, Mayweather is challenger.
Mayweather-Marquez (Bad fight)
Pacquiao-Cotto (Superb Fight)
Pacquiao-Cotto PPV should be higher than Mayweather-Marquez.
And especially after demolishing Cotto, Pacquiao now is the draw.
Mayweather, self-proclaimed best.
Pacquiao, hard-earned titles.
WHAT MORE REASONS DO WE NEED? Mayweather definitely is a farce.
I AGREE W/THAT!!!!....gayweather dont go anywere coz the PACMAN will EAT U ALIVE!!!
i think cotto will beat mayweather had they fight..he has been avoiding cotto for the past couple of years thats why he retired..
I agree, Manny should get the lion share of the fight probably at 55/45. Another thing, Manny does need Mayweather anymore. The promoters are just the one who want to cash in in this fight.
FMJ comments that he do it alone is an insult to Marquez and the mexican people, Do you think 1 million buys possible if not with Marquez, stupid argument from arrogant FMJ.
manny is the crowd drawer now..people want to see this fight not beacause of two great boxers fighting in the ring but because they want to see what floyd mayather is made of.his just a self proclaimed best fighter..all he do in a fight that he thinks he's gonna be beaten is run his always running but with below standard fighter thats the time his going to box and brawl making him look invicible..but if he faces pacquiao i think his gonna use the running game his not a good fighter his just a dirty fighter and a big stinky mouth....pacman should get the bigger purse
Pac-ODLH didn't do as well as it should because a lot of people thought the fight would be a joke -- that ODLH would just beat the living crap out of the smaller man.
pacquiao is the bigger draw I mean before maybe mayweather is the bigger draw but after the jimmy kimmel show, time magazine etc. etc. there's no doubt pacquiao is the bigger draw.mayweather suppose to out do pacman in term of pay per view since he is an american and the fight is in american soil and were counting america pay per view buys were not counting PPV buys in japan, china, uk etc. etc. but what happen pacquiao/cotto did 1.5 million buys and it can reach as 2 million buys. so what that does mean it means pacquiao is now an international icon and bigger draw than mayweather let mayweather eat his words as he always say pay per view numbers don't lie.
There was no recession during the Mayweather-ODLH fight. Bob Arum considered the effects of recession during the Pacquiao-OLDH fight such that the PPV price was made affordable to the viewing public.
It's more or less of the same situation with Hatton fights.
Manny fought most of the greatest boxers in their divisions. Not degrading the skills of boxers fought by Mayweather, it can not be said of them
just wait for the ppv numbers of the pacman-cotto fight. that should be the barometer. if it is 1.3 million, then it should be pacman 55% against 45% to gaywether. since the champion is the pacman's wbo belt, then the title should be pacquiao-maywether.
gayweather is a certified midgetcutioner who cannot stand the thought of fighting the big boys and gallantly covers such a deficiency with his loudmouth
De la Hoya and Hatton were defeated by a more skilled and gifted Pacquiao not because they were damaged goods... And Pacquiao went on to devastate Cotto who was thought of to be stronger and bigger and fast as well(claimed by some pundits). Otherwise if ever he defeats Mayweather, they will also say that Mayweather is damaged goods. They lost because they underestimated Manny and believed that by bulldozing their way through Pacquiao they will win because they are naturally bigger. What simpletons they are.
To settle who is the real draw...
Let Pacquiao and Mayweather fight different opponents at the same day, at the same time, to see which fight the fans will buy?
You, which fight will you buy?
Pretty ugly Floyd deserves 30%, PACQUIAO deserves 70% plus a huge bonus from uncle Bob if pretty ugly becomes extremely ugly in early rounds.
can you believe this floyd mayweather sr? first, he took on Manny and Roach, and lost! second he made all these so called brilliant predictions on pacquiao vs cotto that manny was gonna get smashed and once again failed! and now he doesn't want his son to fight Manny because he thinks Manny is taking steriod? hahahahahah..... how ridiculous is this guy? he doesn't realise that the more he dribbles the more he's prove wrong.... but i guess he's already realised but he's gotten himself so deep he will have to keep playing plain stupid! i feel so sorry for him.
hey scott you moron,
you just have to look at the latest PPV numbers
1.1M vs the 1.5M (final figure higher). why cite the 2.4M which
clearly has de la hoya contribution. ever since he retired his stock took a dive.
you know what, i believe this figt will not take of because there is no way MP will accept less than 51% . He does have to take this fight as his legacy is already sealed. What about Floyd, can he say the same..... if the fight does not materialize
he will forever be branded a chicken and can never achieve anything more than what MP achieved. He needs this more than MP.
beside i heard he's dry again and needs a big fight to keep his lifestyle. poor shmuck!
this is how i want it to go:
mayweather deserves no belt so he needs to fight just for his own legacy and hopefully fails in the process. you can really tell that im a pacquiao.
money wise.... i agree with the other ideas that's been thrown around by reporters: 45% each and the winner takes the remaining 10%...
enough said!
There was no recession during the ODLH-Mayweather fight. Bob Arum considered recession during the ODLH-Pacquiao fight making it affordable to the viewing public. Recession made the difference in PPV buys during those fights.
here's my argument...if mayweather and pacquiao fights what would be the title on line? the best p4p fighter in the world? the wbo welterweight title? now, who holds those titles now? manny pacquiao. the figther who is being challenged and who holds the p4p and wbo welterweight title should get the bigger piece of the pie simply because he is the one on top right now.
"I’ve done over a million homes by myself. Now we got Pacquiao and Cotto, two guys who have a pretty cool fan base, so if they do more homes than Mayweather, more power to them, but they supposed to. I don’t have no dance partner,”
TYPICAL MAYWEATHER BULLS/HIT! Was he on the ring alone? From what I know not many American homes bought PPV for obvious results. Was'nt there "O" PPV from Mexican-American homes? African-American population is over 40M while Latinos are about 43M and they can only manage 1.1M PPV buys? What a fool this punk rocker is!
Pacman should liken Maryweather to a street dog runnign away with its tail curling behind, with peepee scared. Maryweather is scared of Pacman.
let the guy with the home court advantage get the lesser split.
manny should get the bigger share of the PPV...
how many population china is,pacman have million fans here in china...pacman deserves 60/20
yes,Floyd Mayweather is undefeated but in does not mean that he demands a big share in the PPV and revenue split..it's not the unblemished record of Mayweather is the big issue here but how you fight in the ring to make that record significant to the people..Manny Pacquiao should have higher share than him simply because he is the champion and P4P king,he deserves it..common Floyd don't wait Manny to say that he wants to fight you 'coz he won't do that..you should be the one to take the first step to make this fight happen in the near future..this is the fight anticipated of all boxing fans around the world..
50/50 purse deal would be fair to both sides or 60% to the winner and 40% to the loser. If Floyd refuses 50/50 or the 60/40 deal . . . then he doesn't want the fight. PERIOD!
Floyd doesn't have any title at welter and he is below Pacquiao in the P4P rating . . . what makes him think he can dictate his terms on this?
Floyd better wake up and stop bitching. Time to man up . . .HYPE Doesn't always work.
Guys,let me ask you something...who is the the current P4P King & who is the current WBO welterweight champion?Manny Pacquiao right? So Pacquiao deserve more...a 90/10 split because Mayweather has no title at all...just a stup*d challenger with no boxing skill at all...only foul/trash mouth like his father &uncle.Poor guys all losser...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mayweather is the American choice to be P4P and Pacquiao is Filipino making headlines everytime he steps in the ring, Americans wants Floyd to win most of them!! So, they hyped him as the no. 1 contender for Pacman and with his big mouth he gets the 50 50 split.
mayweather talks to the media that he wants to fight pacquiao but in his shaking little mind he wishes that the fight wont happen..his never going to face pacquiao he is making all the excuses not to fight thats why he wont accept 50 50 split..he even dont wanna face cotto thats why he opted to retire because next in line is shane mosley and cotto..so shut up floyd sr. and jr. you know you cant win thats why you're making lots of excuses.
i just read a comment in PACLAND "Mayweather has no belt and only P4P no. 2, why should he get 50/50"..?..
I have my answer now, but it took me a while to think...
floyd jr said now: “I’ve done over a million homes by myself. Now we got Pacquiao and Cotto, two guys who have a pretty cool fan base, so if they do more homes than Mayweather, more power to them, but they supposed to. I don’t have no dance partner,”
but before in brian kenny interview, he said that about who would draw more between Marquez and Mosley. Mosley would be a more competitive fight, but it’s all about the money. Marquez will definitely have more Mexican fans behind him buying the fight.
and now he's saying he doesnt have good dancing partner...
hahaha mosley want to dance with him..
cotto and margarito very much willing to dance with him..
but we all knw y he doesnt want them to become his partner bec after the dance there will be number one on his record. not number pound 4 pound but number 1 on his loss record ... ciao...
You brought up good points for the argument Scott. Two things though.
First, Pacquiao's PPV numbers against ODLH and Hatton are during the peak of the recession.
Second, all thing being equal, the fighter who has more to lose should have the bigger pay. PBF can argue that he is betting his perfect slate. But the sane boxing fans do not care about his record! On the other hand, PacMan is the consensus P4P champ and he has the WBO welterweight title.
Now who deserves the biggest share? You tell me.
It seems te PPV buys for the Pacquiao - Cotto rumble got huge buys (1.5Million or more). If this is true then 55-45 in favor of Pacman. Period!
SHAME ON YOU MAYWEATHER! YOUR DAY WILL COME... FOR SURE.... WAIT AND SEE! PRETTY UGLY ENDING ON YOUR HIGH-FLYING EGOISTIC BOXING CAREER... THAT DAY WAS MARKED!
pacman deserves 99 while money desrve 1
it seems to me that mayweather garnered million+ PPVs because they priced it cheaper at $49.95. however, if the pacquiao-cotto fight gets greater PPV buys even at the higher price of $54.95, then it should logically be given greater weight in the negotiation.
To lure both boxers give the equal share below 50% then the winner gets the rest.
We'll start with 45-45 and the winner gets additional 10%. I don't think there'll be problem with Packy team. Mayweather might argue that the most he'll get is 55%. Then, we'll go to the next step, do it 40-40 plus 20% for the winner. Mayweather might still have an issue with this, as he will claim that the most he'll get is 60%. Then, we'll go the the next step (yet again)... until we end up with 20-20 with the winner getting the remaining 60%. We can argue with Mayweather that if he is really confident that he'll win, then this is the biggest share he might have, a whopping 80%. Let's see if he still duck Packy for that.
Paqiuao answered "YAP for the record" that's it no more other words for a wise man to understand sign the paper and NO MORE TALKING, TALKING AND MORE TAKING IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU (FLOYD) GREAT IT MAKE FOOL OF HIMSELF MORE TALK MORE CONTRADICTION BE BRAVE SIGN THE PAPER NOW!!!!
Its pacquiao vs mayweather!
Its exciting vs boring!
Its everything vs nothing!
Its up to you who deserves more!
For the record Scott, the main attraction of the Dela Hoya vs Mayweather fight in 2007 is Oscar not Floyd...thats why it reached 2.4M buys but that was before the recession...when the recession happened millions lost jobs in the US...the recession affected the PPV buys in the 2008 fights.. what do you want, are you going to buy PPV or buy it food in the table??? choose....I prefer Manny to get the bigger slice of the Pie because he's the current P4P king, WBO Welterwight champ & WBC Diamond Champ & Floyd what does he have?? nothing...
I think people nowadays are just watching in the internet rather buying a pay-per-view. so in that case its really hard to sell a pay-per-view.
why not "WINNER TAKES ALL"? all or nothing. now let's see who's man enough to step up to this challenge. that would be one for books, guys.
MethWeather Jr. ducked Paul Williams.
Fraud Jr. retired rather than fight the prime & dangerous Cotto 2 years ago. Crystal Meth Jr. is a weasel.
He wants his Dad to fight Manny's Dad in a cocaine snorting contest. Big Floyd said: "Sure, anytime. I've been practicing." Manny's dad said."How about San Mig. drinking contest instead?"
For the record Scott, the main attraction of the Dela Hoya vs Mayweather fight in 2007 is Oscar not Floyd...thats why it reached 2.4M buys but that was before the recession...when the recession happened millions lost jobs in the US...the recession affected the PPV buys in the 2008 fights.. what do you want, are you going to buy PPV or buy it food in the table??? choose....I prefer Manny to get the bigger slice of the Pie because he's the current P4P king, WBO Welterwight champ & WBC Diamond Champ & Floyd what does he have?? nothing...
Guys I think the bottom line is not about the share here, stop arguing about who's had the big and deserving share. I think Floyd doesn't worry about the purse share, I think he's worrying about his chances of first time losing if fight with Pacman will happen. He knows the phenomenon capability of Pacman that can definitely dismantle his career as arrogant boxer champion in the ring. In fact he's talking a lot of nonsense alibis that round it up interpreting his cowardly defense strategy. Coward Floyd!!!
BEFORE FLOYD FIGHTS THE PACMAN, HE SHOULD FIGHT MARGARITO,MOSLEY, PAUL WILLIAMS AND EVEN COTTO.
FLOYD HAS NOT SHOWN TO THE WORLD IF HE COULD DOMINATE HIS OWN SIZE DIVISION.HE'S MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS IF HE BEATS PACMAN,THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY THIS AND THAT...BLAH-BLAH.
THEN FINE FLOYD, FIGHT MOSLEY,MARGARITO, PAUL WILLIAMS OR COTTO, AND NO MORE EXCUSES.
I don't know why people want to see Pacquaio/Mayweather fight. Pacquiao/Mosley is more exciting to me. Mayweather will just make the fight boring. People just want to see Mayweather loss, that's all. Pacman can fight anybody and still be a top PPV whereas Floyd will have a dramatic decline unless he faces Mosley, Williams or Cotto.
AS FOR PURSE SPLIT, ITS SIMPLE, WHO IS THE DULY "RECOGNIZED" NOT "SELF-PROCLAIMED" P4P KING RIGHT NOW?,WHO HOLDS WORLD CHAMPION BELTS AT 140 AND 147? ITS MANNY PACQUIAO,PERIOD.
FLOYD DOES NOT HOLD ANY TITLE AT ALL...BUT MOSLEY DOES.
PACMAN DOES NOT NEED FLOYD, WHETHER THEY FIGHT OR NOT, PACQUIAO IS THE "ONLY" BOXER IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF BOXING WHO HAS 7 WORLD TITLES IN 7 WEIGHT CLASSES, FLOYD WILL NEVER REACHED SUCH FEAT OR ANYBODY RIGHT NOW.
To Floyd Mayweather, please stop about making nonsense excuses or alibis, if you think you're the real P4P king then show yourself to the public that you are more than willing to fight Pacman no matter what the share is! That's the real tough guy is and not making gay excuses that only reflect your character as a coward boxer. People are started to call you GAYWEATHER JR! that's an insane my man!
Floyd is really a businessman not a fighter, why I am saying this? First, he called Pacquiao immediately after the Cotto fight to fool people and said "hey, look I called the Pacman" message is clear, people thinks that he is not ducking the fight, right?and then he called Manny to "step up the plate" he clearly saying "common Manny come to me" in order for him to have the upperhand on the negotiation of the purse!and if Manny doesnt agree, well, he may publish to the whole world with his bigmouth that he doesnt duck the best fighters in his division and eventually ESCAPE THE BEATING HE MAY TAKE FROM THE PACMAN!
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