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Donald Tenn, the Sacramento father who traveled to Washington DC recently for a rally to confront President Obama on his "fathers need to step up" comments, will be in a Columbus, Ohio courtroom Monday morning on charges related to his 4 day protest on a 175' construction crane last year.
Tenn was a stay-at-home daddy until Shannon Phillips took their daughter to Illinois on what was described as a vacation three years ago. After her arrival Phillips announced that she had no intention of returning to California, or of allowing Madison to return. When Tenn reminded her that California law prevents parental move-aways Phillips filed her first of many false charges of domestic violence against Tenn.
At one point he had hope. One judge refused a restraining order and scolded Phillips for her antics. But after Tenn had one visit with Madison in Illinois Phillips renewed her campaign of false allegations.
He writes on his website dedicatedtomadison.com:
I had finally received a California court order for visitation with my daughter. I was certain it would be enforced by the police in Illinois.
But Moultrie County States Attorney Marvin Hanson ignored the California Court order. He told police to no longer assist Mr. Tenn in his efforts to visit his daughter. He even went out of his way to contact the California state court. He was looking for a restraining order so he could arrest me!
There have been no consequences for any of Phillips' illegal activities. She has not only been allowed to keep custody of Madison; she's also hiding Madison from Tenn, against court orders.
Phillips, like many women is allowed to break the law and perpetrate fraud upon the court and tax-payers. Studies show that one million allegations of domestic violence filed each year are unnecessary or false. The Violence Against Women Act has continued to fund Phillips' crimes, travel and legal fees through battered women's shelters, including WEAVE in California and DOVE in Illinois.
Tenn has had family court judges in both Illinois and California refuse to address his custody and visitation concerns, each telling him to go back to the other state to file in that family court. And when they did address him, he says, his attempt to protect his daughter and her best interest was not their concern.
By phone recently he said:
I've been yelled at by judges three times for saying that I was there for my daughter. If you get a traffic ticket you're given several minutes to plead your case. Like most dads I thought if I just tell the truth everything will get sorted out. But go to family court and you aren't allowed to speak.
Sacramento County family court Judge John Winn got so upset when I told him I was there for my daughter the baliff walked over to the judge to calm him down.
When I told Judge Thomas Cecil that I believed the restraining order to be mutual, he yelled at the top of his lungs he was so angry.
Tenn, who is now President of Fathers 4 Justice in the United States, spent the 4 days on a 175' construction crane in a thunderstorm. He and Paul Fisher, who had come down earlier, hoped to draw media attention to their plight, and that of millions of fathers across the country.
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He went on:
I don't know how they're getting away with this. The judges are breaking the law. They don't care. I'm a good and loving daddy. I don't deserve this. Madison doesn't deserve this.
Asked if there is a war on fathers Tenn said:
I hear the same story from fathers in every state. I've traveled the country and have seen it myself. I challenge anyone to sit in any family courtroom, in any state, in any county for one hour on any day of the week. They will see that the war on fathers is real.
When Tenn, who has years of tower climbing experience and Fisher unfurled their banner, they didn't know what reaction their presence would cause when the sun came up and the construction crew came on site. They were happy to see they had the support of the workers. They were even told that the crane itself wouldn't be needed for a couple of days.
With news reporters present, not ten minutes after Tenn's descent, workers had the crane up and running. He's being charged thousands of dollars for a safety inspection that from the looks of it was never done, along with federal vandalism charges that could land him in prison for 18 months. Tenn is hoping for a sympathetic jury.
UPDATE: The trial has been postponed until October.
For more info:
- Northern California dad travels to DC to confront President Obama
- Family Rights 101: Why is there a fathers rights movement?
- DedicatedtoMadison.com
- Fathers 4 Justice
Comments
My oldest son has not seen any of his three children in many years. There is no justice for any of them.
How long will we put up with this insanity?
WE will put up with this insanity until someone on the federal level - a High-Profile Senator, takes up this cause. We should give every presidential candidate a litmus test. If they do not pass, we will not vote for them.
Powerful people understand only one thing; power! When they realize that there is a movement that could end their political career, they will sit-up and take notice.
We should begin our campaign with Biden - the architect of VAWA - who shepherded this family-destroying unconscionable legislation into law. Remove him from any political office and we will have taken the first step towards restoring families to their pre-eminent place in society.
I wonder why when a woman makes an allegation generally those who are father's rights activists say that she is not telling the truth and generally attack her. They also attack any children involved (see Holly and Jennifer Collins at American Children Underground). Those involved in father's rights have attacked both women unmercifully all simply because both are women. I wonder what would happen if Jennifer's brother spoke out. Would he be ignored also?
One must wonder why when nothing has been spoken by the mother of this child, we are to take everything Tenn says at face value? This is often the complaint when women say they and/or the children were abused - we need to hear from the dads. Can women and children not speak the truth? Or is it only men who know how to do that - all according to Father's Rights Activists? They say they are for the children yet one often has to wonder.
I will address each of your points, individually.
Mz. Petunia Pigg: "I wonder why when a woman makes an allegation generally those who are father's rights activists say that she is not telling the truth and generally attack her."
Me: The operative word is "allegation". Allegations are easy to make. This is the reason Father's Rights Activists tend to consider such allegations as false. Then, there is this bothersome thing called "Experience". Experience tells us that 85% of the time, the DV or Abuse claim is generally false, and motivated by a desire to gain full-custody of the children during a divorce.
Mz. Petunia Pigg: "They also attack any children involved (see Holly and Jennifer Collins at American Children Underground). Those involved in father's rights have attacked both women unmercifully all simply because both are women."
Me: Another emotionally-inspired LIE and outburst. Men in the Father's Rights Movement are motivated by a desire to even the playing field, and be treated FAIRLY in family court. What women don't acknowledge is, children grow up to be better adults when BOTH parents play a meaningful role in their lives. The feminists would have us believe that the children will be "alright" without their father. They would have us believe that organizations such as "Big Brothers/Sisters" can take the place of a loving father. BS!
Mz. Petunia Pigg: "One must wonder why when nothing has been spoken by the mother of this child, we are to take everything Tenn says at face value?"
Me: The TRUTH has a way of silencing liars. Have you considered that the reason she is silent is she has no defense or believable response to Tenn's truthful statements?
Mz. Petunia Pigg: "They say they are for the children yet one often has to wonder."
Me: Their intentions are verifiable. Almost ALL fathers want their children to know their mother & father. Doesn't that address your ignorancy regarding what father's believe to be best for their children?
Family law courts are full of judges that are cowards. They get so scared when abuse allegation are brought forward even the TRUTH isn't an acceptable defense. When allegations are shown to be false they bury their heads. In fairness, there are lots of good judges, social workers and psychologists. There is no doubt the insanity in Family Courts will continue until experts with no agendas become the decision makers.
Because of the evidence of malfeasance of the obstruction of fathers rights by the Federal Judicial Branch and Virginia Judicial Branch in collusion with Executive Branch Attorneys, I have filed five (5) Federal Criminal Complaints with the Field Offices of the FBI and Assistant Attorney Generals respectively in Virginia, D.C., Colorado, NY, and Pennsylvania, and a State Complaint with local law enforcement.
Base on my more than three decades as an independent federal civil trial/appellate litigator, I write that the Rehnquist/Roberts Court have conspired with government attorneys to abuse the delegation from Congress under the Judiciary Act of 1925, the Rules Enabling Act, and U.S. Judicial Conference Act, to deprive citizens of fundamental rights under the Constitution, and statutory rights under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Watergate legislation, to grant the government total immunity to grant the government total immunity for malfeasance.
right, judges are the problem so the minister of justice (Netherlands) whisperd me several yrs ago. A police/judges state, an inhuman and unfair democracy. Fathers and children are legally robbed of their family-life together reducing fathers to single civilians. Hallelujah Obama, whatever happened to the promise of the acknowledgement that human rights starts with conception? Divorce is never normal like all amoral western non-sense, don't facilitate unwilly deadsick antisocial defathering mothers, children have the natural right to live at home with both their biological parents (hetero's), poor divorced-aborted-adopted-socialized-assimilated children mostly their father and his family.
I have deleted some comments of a false and personal nature. Although I encourage the spirit of debate and don’t expect all readers to agree with me, I will delete all false comments about me.
mz pig, in your opinion fathers are always guilty. sorry, studies show you're wrong 7 out of 10 times.
fathers' rights and equal parenting advocates have always acknowledged there are bad parents of both genders, a fact their opponents keep conveniently "forgetting."
people like mz pig, "protective mother networks" and feminist domestic violence workers refuse to acknowledge that women are capable of lying, and do lie about the fathers of their children in family court on a daily basis.
parents across the country and my readers deserve more than propaganda. they deserve the truth.
I am a member of F4J for one reason , I am a man that wants his child and have had her ripped from my life by lies and deception in the Massachusett Probate Court . I am losing my home and I am teated as if I do not matter in my childs life . Kidnapping is Kidnapping ... Extortion is Extortion . Taxation without represenation is what it is . And GOVERNMENTS are terrible parents . I , because I am a man that wants to be a daddy am treated like a monster stripped of my well being and enslavned to te probate system.TIME FOR PRIME TIME NEWS STORIES ON THE STEPS OF THE KIDNAPPERS OPERATION CALLED PROBATE COURT.I am proud of Tenn and I am trying to get the word out.
As already stated the judges simply have no backbones. God forbid a women should be abused and the Hellfire the feminists would send down on that judge for not issuing a protective ordr. It's just something totally different when a judge knows that the women is lying and lying to gain control over the child and the judge knows it and still does nothing. My own situation is very similar to Don Tenn's I've defeated had dismissed 4 DVP and have been acquitted of or had dismissed 21 criminal complaints alleged by the mother of my children. What did the courts do for me ? they kept me from my kids for 9 years. There are few people that I would stand behind in a situation alleging DV But I can assure you that Don is one of them that I would. Having done the 2007 DC Rally Lincoln statue climb with Don Tenn there are few that I would want to be arrested with as well. Don Tenn You ROCK Brother Best of Luck from NH
There are two sides to every story and we are only hearing one side here. Domestic violence is very hard to prove as it goes on behind closed doors. You do not cite or quote any studies to back up your claims. A unsubstantiated claim of abuse does not mean its false. This mother is probably trying to protect her daughter.
Way to go F4J Brothers !
Donald Tenn is a hero. Corruption in family court proceeding is everywhere. One has to stand up and say « The king has no clothes ».
Thank you Mrs Stoddar for speaking the truth. Not only have I not see my two kids for 4 years, but I have to live in hiding in my own country for refusing to go to jail for a stupid sentence one of those crooked judge had sanctionned. Being a father in Canada is akin to be a jew under Nazi Germany...
Liberty, I realize that you believe that fathers lie in all of these cases, but you are wrong. One million allegations of domestic violence a year are found to be false. Donald and Madison Tenn are the victims in this case, not Shannon Phillips.
One family court judge has already seen through her stories. She tried to convince the judge that Tenn was a danger to all of America, that he's a terrorist. The judge said no, that he's a father fighting to be in his daughter's life.
Donald Tenn is a respectable man, a gentle father who played house and watched Dora with his daughter. Tenn had no criminal record before he started his activism, except for one drunk driving charge from over 30 years ago. He's a mature father, a successful businessman who was able to be home with his daughter every day.
Phillips claimed that Tenn was stalking her. Yet she was 2,500 miles away. She had crossed six state lines to get to Illinois and Tenn was still in California when she made the charge
The media was ALL OVER the Catholic Fathers when they abused children, but "my story" is of a Baptist female music minister that was both sexually abusing (fondling) my son, and also giving him a food to which he was allergic, causing 16 breathing attacks in 15 months, compared to Zero in 12 months under my primary care. Yes - the Baptist minister was my wife! I tried to present the medical records in the child custody hearing but feminist judge Leslie Alden refused to allow them to be admitted as evidence.
I had reported other child abuse previously, and four days later was arrested, and then arrested 5 times in 3 months. I "won" them all, but never won my son!
Two weeks after the final divorce, Jamey was taken to an after hours Kaiser clinic, who immediately rushed him by ambulance to Fairfax Children's Hospital and ordered both blood serum tests and a cardiac test. Yet the boy is STILL with the Munchausen By Proxy Child Abuse mother.
I was in Washington DC with Mr.Donald Tenn at the Rally for Our Children "Legally Kidnapped" by Dept. Children and Families and all associated. I am a mother in Florida also fighting for her Only miracle child that "DCF aka CPS" bribed judges,forced decisions of my child/ our children using the courts with altimatum for the fate of our children's lives. I have spoken to Mr. Tenn, we were both speakers out of many and he truly loves his child with every breath he takes. I don't believe he should have gone to prison
He doesn't need a sympathetic jury, just a moderately intelligent one. The problem with the legal system in this country, civil and criminal, is not so much the laws that are enacted as it is the lack of impartiality that exists when justice is "meted" out. The single biggest contributor to the problemn that already exists is the arbitrary refusal to prosecute those that commit perjury in court. It spawns an inept cesspool of legal abuse that punishes indiscriminately and creates the system as it exists today. The single largest rationale for summarily dismissing/barring frivolous civil suits is judicial economy. There is no greater pinnacle of frivolity or malicious use of the court systems than that which currently exists in divorce or child custody/visitation cases. Perjury and corruption preside over the American legal sysetem as they have for quite some time. As for Obama and all his stepping up rhetoric, it is all pomp and circumstance. Illinois might be the worse.
I have met Don and hear of his travels for fathers. I think he is a good man in fact he may be a hero and he is probably a great dad that should be with his children. Don certainly should not be in prison but sometimes thats what they do with heros. I pray that God and the jury watch over him.
Donald Tenn is a good man from all reports. He is simply trying to expose a sexist, anti-male, anti-father, anti-traditional family values racket which is afoot in the domestic relations courts of the USA. They are out of control and viciously anti-male, anti-father, anti-traditional family values throughout the western world (Europe, Canada, USA, Australia). The people need to stand up, take note and take action against a vile, corrupt system.
I live in Littleton CO - I have had a judge who at this point I truly feel was mentally-incompetent to even sit on the bench. People don't believe this type of stuff but it really does happen every single day. I have 2 daughters now 19 and 24 that I have never had any form of contact or exposure to during the last 11 years. All because some judge wanted an issue off his docet and decided he was going to destroy some lives if that is what it took So that is what he did- he could absolutely care les about me, justice or my children.
Teri, I never said anyone was lying, I don't know both sides of the story. I don't know what went on during the marriage behind closed doors. Have you spoken to the mother?
Excellent article! Don is an excellent father and I have seen him inspire so many people. This is a father who strives for justice for his own child and those of other fathers. Join him and many others in seeking EQUAL parenting time for fit and willing parents.
Mr Obama ignores than MANY fathers like Don want to parent (most important that the children need both parents) BUT are not allowed to! society is asking for good, dedicated fit parents, they are there saying "yes, here I am", but the HEAVILY CORRUPTED FAMILY COURTS ACROSS THE NATION CONTINUE TO PROFIT FROM CHILDREN AND PARENTS IN NEED, IN MOST CASES INTENTIONALLY ADDING CONFLICT TO ALREADY BAD SITUATIONS - That's child abuse to say the least. The good news is that the press is realizing about this enormous problem and is dedicating more and more time every month to these issues (e.g., 10news in San Diego). With so much money involved in family law, lawyers & psychologist have become entrepreneurs, and if once had any moral values, they have left them behind. CHILDREN OF DIVORCE ARE THE LAST DISCRIMINATE GROUP IN AMERICA(gays, blacks, latinos, you name it...all are way ahead of them). What judges, what government officials will have the guts and moral values to do the right thing, You?
I thought our president made this big speech on being a good father, role model and sort of stated he was tired of men walking out on their children and becoming part of today's dead beat fathers. Fathers need to band together from across our nation to show support to Mr. Penn. He is doing what any father, who understands the meaning of father would do. Including Mr. Obama himself. IT's funny how our president can easily capture wrongdoing where race and stupidity is concerned and have a weekend of beers over it, but not towards family rights issues where parents being swindled, denied due process and coherced into court ordered government interventioned case plans that leave our nations children the orphans of tomorrow. Our president should be as equally adamant into looking into these issues with compassion and hear our peoples request for his investigating these matters. If he were to have read those laws he would already know, we parents are merely caretakers of our own children.
Its time we declare war on these Judges! I have a judge in Warrenton VA who finds me in contempt fo court when I protest to have him impeached. As a formal Marine the only way we can change these Judges who think they are above the law is WAR!!
Its time to protest in front of the court house and there personel homes. And this is for our children!! So lets come togehter as parents men and women and draw the line and trun up the war. I can me reached at gahairbuspilot@yahoo.com
And that Judge in Warrenton is Judge Jeffery Parker
Theres got to be some reason this mother doesn't want this father around their child. What caused the breakdown of the marriage? Were there reports or arrests for domestic violence or child abuse? Was there drug or drink abuse? I would love to hear what the mother has to say about it all.
Liberty,
If I thought there was any possibility of Donald Tenn being a closet abuser I would not report on his case.
I have met and communicate with many parents going through custody fights. After a few years you start to figure people out. You watch how they interact with others. You see how they deal with stress and conflict. Not to mention, having documentation to prove their claims, in many cases.
There are parents who are unstable who are fighting for their kids. Some started out that way, and it's why they have lost custody, whether warranted or not. Others were completely normal mentally balanced people, until they were forced to live a life of devastating injustice and pain.
The trick is figuring out which category best fits these people. Some make it easy, others have taken me years. I'm convinced that Donald Tenn is completely innocent and is the victim in this case.
teri
What truly amazes me is the strength of the Lace Curtain (feminist censorship in media) regarding protests like these. Both Tenn's activism and last year's demo at the Lincoln Memorial should have drawn national coverage. (A whole four days!) Not a peep from TV. The major media are even bigger cowards than the family court judges considering their power. Or maybe they're just totally co-opted.
Teri, you didn't live with him did you? How do you know how he treated his wife and mother of his child? Their marriage ended in divorce and now the mother doesn't want the child around him? Thats enough to tell me somethings not right here. Like I said, I am not calling anyone a liar because I don't know both sides of this story. Have you spoken to the mother? Abusers can be very charming deceptive and manopulative and only show their true selves to their victims. Often times outsiders, like yourself, can be fooled into thinking the abusee is crazy or lying. Without knowing all the facts I can't take sides. Madison is a adorable, precious child. Its a shame she has to be put through this.
Liberty, Mr Tenn has letters from people who saw him with his daughter on an almost daily basis. They confirm his description of their relationship.
Madison's preschool teacher talks about how when most parents pick up the children they just gather their items, take their child by their hand or clothing and walk out. Mr. Tenn would come in, see Madison still sleeping on the floor, and do what none of her other parents did.
Donald Tenn would lay on the floor next to his daughter Madison every day. He'd stroke her hair gently while quietly speaking to wake her up. He'd ask her about her day. Only after that did they leave the school.
No one has ever accused Tenn of harming Madison, because it isn't true. No one has ever accused Tenn of abusing Phillips, because it isn't true. In seven years the police were never called to their home.
Phillips accused this man of stalking her from 2,500 miles away, and now says she fears him. The word "fear" is a tool.
were there accusations of child sexual abuse?
No accusations of any type of abuse. He, like many fathers who've been accused of causing fear, is innocent.
Has he got a visitation order already in place? Does he live in the same area as his daughter?
liberty, I've already answered these questions in my articles about mr. tenn. teri
Might be a good idea for Mr Tenn to move where his daughter is and let the courts there deal with it. I do not think it does his case much good to be calling the court or judge corrupt. Its not a perfect system but it works best when the parents work together. It takes two to tango as they say. These two need to start taking dancing lessons before they destroy their child. I am sure both parents have issues they need to work out. For the sake of their child I pray they get it together soon!
liberty- you refuse to accept the reality here. Madison was illegally abducted by her mother and taken 6 states away. The mother has illegally filed false restraining orders against Tenn in order to get away with her crime. She has turned the doubt onto Mr. Tenn when he is in fact completely innocent. Madison has a home in Sacramento. She belongs there.
Why did mom move? Does she have relatives there? New boyfriend?
liberty- you're still missing the point. it does not matter what her excuses are. she broke the law. and she continues to abuse the child by filing false accusations and refusing visitation.
This sounds really fishy to me.
Liberty, I've never lived with Don, so I can't speak to his situation in-home. I've met him, and he seems to me to be a stand-up guy, I'd trust him with my child. But to answer your question 'Why doesn't the mother want the father to see the child?' - I can say that in MY situation, my wife cheated on me, left me, and filed divorce from me because she knew that the government would give her custody and a chunk of my income AND the ability to find a new man to share expenses with. IF my ex were to agree to joint custody, she'd lose the money. IF my ex were to admit that I'm as good a father (state trained and licensed, even) as she is a mother, she'd have to admit to all her friends and family that SHE was unfaithful and HER actions destroyed our family. It's hard for anyone to accept blame, including her - especally when the system rewards her for selfish bad behavior and makes it so easy to lie.
Parenting is the most important thing most people will ever do - for most people, it's the only legacy they will leave on the planet to show they were ever here. Men are ROUTINELY DENIED the basic human right to PARENT their children, and are marginalized, excluded, exploited and denigrated in media, public policy and our courts - we are told to count ourselves "lucky" if we are "allowed" to see our kids one weekend a month and two weeks a year. Ironicaly, despite my Conservatism, I am a staunch proponent of human cloning and artificial gestation research, because these technologies offer me my ONLY apparent chance to BE a parent on an equal footing with any mother out there. As long as my reproductive rights depend on the consent of any woman, I expect to remain a second-class citizen. If a thief steals my car, should he then have a right to mug me for gas money? The judge TOOK my child, which justifies her WEEKLY theft of my income.
For me, the answer is simple: whoever FILES the no-fault divorce is asking to leave the WHOLE family and pay support. Allegations of abuse put the divorce on hold while the allegations are investigated, prosecuted and found to be true or false. Depending on that outcome, the divorce proceeds as "no-fault" or as "for cause", with the custody question decided accordingly. This would protect victims BETTER by having their claims heard in a court that CAN convict a perp, and would also protect everyone against false allegations and abuse of the system in no-fault cases. Take a look at the proposed "Ohio Parental Rights Amendment".
I love the statement "it takes two to tango" made by "Liberty" - I had that one thrown at me while I defended myself (successfully) against false accusations during a custody dispute.
I'm sorry but the statement does not apply here - it only takes one person to mess things up - would you tell a murder victim that "it takes two to tango" or perhaps a rape victim? - no I thought not - what needs to happen is that perjury needs to be prosecuted in family court - watch how the number of false allegations dwindle away - looking at 2 years in jail (for perjury) means a lot more people will start telling the truth.
Just for the record, I proved myself innocent of all the allegations made against me - it cost $50,000 - and the punishment for the person making the false allegations/committing perjury - nothing.
Hang in there Donald - you and Madison will be together again - you are an inspiration to all of us.
Hello.my name is sean.I am not married or involved in a relationship with any women.and to tell you the truth...I WILL NEVER BE!!! I tried to love women.i tried to understand them as emotional sad creatures.as the smart ones.blah blah BLAH!! cause i was taught to respect a women.why?? believe they were stronger.BLAH!!! its all BULL!!! having experiances with women in my own way.and seeing how they are.how they are put on a peddlestill.their POOR behaviors.the research into all the male discrimination.I have no desire.no need.no want.no love.no place in hell or heavon...TO BE WITH ONE!!! they ALL blew it with me.and it seems alot of other men are fed up with women too.women are cutting their own throats,in the way they treat men.I know some will say that not all women are that way.but i say...I DONT CARE!!!!! goodbye women.
What the _____ has this all come to.Our children need both parents in their lives.That is the bottom line.Now I know some pukes just are not fit to take care of themselves let alone a child,but for many of us we just want to be a part of their lives.This will be the next civil rights movement if I have any say.Fathers rights are to important to just be the pay check parent.In my own words"to ____ with family courts".I do appoligize if I offended any _____ _____...Well not really.
laws in place today has encouraged women to be immoral and uncaring about a family. family responsibilty has been replaced with welfare and outrageous child support for boyfreinds.% wise I would say more women have extra marital affairs than the men.
I am very aware of street smart. women get married to get devorced as they get more benifits without responsibilty.
While men worked women manipulated the elected officials. I say vote them all out and tell them why they are going. Men need to stand united . I applaud you Donald!! hope to meet you soon,
I am a woman that knows more about women than the court system ever will. Judges are not very smart because they cannot tell the dif. between lies and truth. God help our children. all women are not good mothers and I know many children suffering because of the system that has thrown them under the bus. I would love to see fathers unite everywhere to keep their children safe. I am a grandmother also in your situation and pray for chan
I support Fathers for Justice. My story goes back 5 years. It is the same as all the others i hear across the country and their are hundreds if not thousands of more dad's witht he same story.
I tell my nephews to not get married. To choose very wisely. they see the crap i went through for 5 years with my son and my daughter. They don't want any of that crap.
I actually won sole custody after the children's mother ran off with them, after spending 2 years of my own time to find them, I had them about 3 to 4 months before A Montana Judge gave them back to the mother, without me even getting a chance to be in front of a judge. Still fighting
( guys usually pay when they don't give a woman exactly what she wants- when she wants it ) I now know that to be fact.
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