The most important component of a good legal education is learning to think like a lawyer. However, you can save a lot in student loans if you check yourself into a mental hospital instead. In Movsesian v. Versicherung AG, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals provides more proof of the benefits of a good legal education.
Movsesian is a lawsuit about an interesting California law that allows the heirs of people killed during the Armenian genocide to sue the debauched opportunistic life insurance companies who have still not paid policy benefits to any of the victims’ families.
Here is that interesting law in its full glory:
(a) The following definitions govern the construction of this section:
(1) “Armenian Genocide victim” means any person of Armenian or other ancestry living in the Ottoman Empire during the period of 1915 to 1923, inclusive. Who died, was deported, or escaped to avoid persecution during that period.
(2) “Insurer” means an insurance provider doing business in the state, or whose contacts in the state satisfy the constitutional requirements for jurisdiction, that sold life, property, liability, health, annuities, dowry, educational, casualty or any other insurance covering persons or property to persons in Europe or Asia at any time between 1875 and 1923.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any Armenian Genocide victom. Or heir or beneficiary of an Armenian Genocide victim, who resides in this state and has a claim arising out of an insurance policy or policies purchased or in effect in Europe or Asia between 1875 and 1923 from an insurer described in paragraph (2) of subdivision (a), may bring a legal action or may continue a pending legal action to recover on that claim in any court of competent jurisdiction in this state, which court shall be deemed the proper forum for that action until its completion or resolution,
(c) Any action, including any pending action brought by an Armenian Genocide victim or the heir or beneficiary of any Armenian Genocide victim, whether a resident or nonresident of this state, seeking benefits under the insurance policies issued or in effect between 1875 and 1923 shall not be dismissed for failure to comply with the applicable statute of limitation, provided the action is filed on or before December 31, 2010.
(d) The provisions of this section are severable. If any provision of this section or its application is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application.”
The California legislature knows how to write a law, don’t you agree? Can’t you just read stuff like this all day? It certainly compares favorably to a James Fenimore Cooper novel.
But, enough with this statutes as literature diversion. Back we go to the 9t Circuit Court of Appeal and its decision.
Movsesian is a class action lawsuit by heirs of those who perished during the genocide. Brought under California’s Armenian genocide insurance law, the action seeks the money that the shameless defendant insurance company has still has not paid the families of the victims.
The issue before the court in Movsevsian was not whether or not the plaintiffs’ forbearers are really still alive or whether they can prove that their forbearers paid their premiums before they were murdered in 1915. The issue is whether the law is preempted and therefore invalid.
How’s that? How, why, who and what can invalidate California insurance law in such a way?
Now, you will begin to observe the sophistication and nuanced thinking that comes with a good legal education.
Why of course state law can be preempted. Although we have a federal form of government with a federal government with limited power, our federal government with limited powers has become all but unlimited in power and easily able to bully the states.
Moreover, what is more important than US foreign policy? That’s right, nothing. And who is the dominate voice in US foreign policy? You’re right again, our president. So, can you imagine the situation in which presidential foreign policy is contradicted by a state’s insurance law? Such a situation is untenable. We cannot allow a state to have an insurance law that is contrary to presidential foreign policy. Therefore, if this California law contradicts US presidential foreign policy, then this law is void.
Is this law contrary to US presidential foreign policy? Here again, the court’s unerring and sophisticated logic will astound you.
US foreign policy is to promote human rights and oppose genocide. But, the court in its wisdom ignored this policy and instead determined that an important plank of President Obama’s foreign policy is to oppose th recognition of the Armenian genocide. It found that that this was an important part of President Obama’s foreign policy not by asking him, but because the presidents before him were against acknowledging that there was an Armenian genocide.
But the court’s cognitive acrobatics do not end here. We still need to get to that part of the court’s complex legal reasoning on preemption: How can this California insurance law contradict President Obama’s foreign policy?
According to the court, it contradicts President Obama’s foreign policy because if he opposes recognizing the Armenian genocide, then by law, it is factually determined that this genocide never happened. Because California’s insurance law could not exist if there was no Armenian genocide, it is contrary to presidential foreign policy and, therefore, preempted.
Indeed, this is thinking like a lawyer at its finest.
But, how is fine analysis different from Catholic Church’s decision to excommunicate Galileo or Josef Stalin’s decision to promote the fraudulent biological theories of Trofim Lysenko? Both the Church and Stalin also made their factual determinations based on policy.
In Movsesian, the court elevates policy over fact. Instead of undertaking an investigation into whether there was an Armenian genocide, the court resolved the factual question by a policy analysis, which is always a superior way to determine facts.
I am not exactly an expert on the Armenian genocide, but I have read the dispatches from US ambassador Henry Morgenthau. But, I guess his reports cannot be factually correct because they too are contrary to President Obama’s foreign policy and therefore are preempted.
Next week, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal will issue its long awaited decision on whether our foreign policy requires college professors to teach that the moon is made out of cheese and that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.
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Apparently Moe, Larry & Curly, better known as the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, can't read as there are over 40,000 pages in official U.S. Archives depicting in real time "the systematic Armenian race extermination". Apparently facts mean nothing the the stooges. These poor Armenian souls not only lost their lives in a Turkish genocidal campaign but can't even collect their rightfully due insurance policies because of the continual complicity of denial by our state department and executive branch.
The American foreign policy on the Armenian genocide is hypocritical, inconsistant, not to mention immoral. The Judges in this decision followed the same path does not make sense.
We are talking about what happened at that time in history. In my opinion it does not have any bearing on the US's current flawed foreign policy on this issue.
The is a set back for human rights.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals did not prove that there was no Armenian genocide, it just proved that the Obama administration has no backbone and caved in to Turkish pressure by not acknowledging an event which is documented in 40,000 pages in official archives. The act of Genocide which Rafael Lempkin noted when he coined the word GENOCIDE. But the fight will continue and the speakers of truth will prevail.
Mr. Obama, what do you think of the Turkish Government and their organizations blackmailing your friend Jan Schakowsky from Illinois by hooking a turkish prostitute and then blackmailing her.
Hey 9th Circuit Court of Appeals can't you see, you can't re-write history.
Former Consul Arrested In Armenian Immigration Fraud Case
By EGP News Service
Norair Ghalumian, 52, of Burbank, the Armenian Consul in Los Angeles from 1999 through 2003, and Margarita Mkrtchyan, 41, of Glendale, an immigration attorney in Beverly Hills were arrested earlier this week and have been charged with issuing false documents to prevent the removal of Armenian nationals to Armenia.
They are among five individuals accused of obstructing proceedings before a department or agency, namely the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
Issued by embassies and consulates, a “letter of refusal” states that a country will not issue a travel document for a particular individual, essentially blocking that person’s deportation to that nation.
According to ICE, the five defendants sold official letters of refusal, many to felons facing deportation, from the Armenian consulate for as much as $35,000.
IT IS
Armenian so called Genocide is the biggest lie, and after seen what Armenians did to Glendale in California, turned our country in a cess pool with all their criminal activities ,I take sides with Turks, who cares who killed who 100 years ago killing going on today care about that, and l think Armenians lie to get money from Turks, if there was 700,000 armeninas in Turkey 1915 how is that 1.5 million is killed who comes up with these numbers?
Turks made a mistake they should have killed all of them so that they would not come to USA and sell false documents to their rejects by their Consul General to keep , murderers here and denger all American Lives,
take back Glendale and kick all the Armenians out of USA and do not vote for anyone name ends with ---Ian
mt, you don't take the side of the Turks, you are a Turk...
Also go read talat pashas black book and you will see the numbers are not 700k as you a Genocide Denier claim.
Its called Talat Pa?a'n?n Evrak-? Metrukesi so hopefully you are educated and could read. But if you are commenting from Turkey i feel bad since you will be tried under your Article 301 and will face possible imprisonment for insulting the so-called "turkishness"
Armenians in America gave you the Melba toast, the MRI, Andre Aggasi... what did the blood turks give?
That is the only way Turkey can clear its name in the face of Armenian lies, deceptions, fabrications, falsifications, and misrepresentations. The 1948 U.N. Convention also required that genocide verdict can only be rendered by a “competent tribunal” where it is proven beyond a showdown of doubt that there was an “intent” to commit genocide. Activists, columnists, academicians, clergy, politicians, and million other professions are free to be heard as witnesses if called upon, but the ultimate decision BELONGS TO THE COURTS.
Why do I stress that? Because none of the Armenian claims can stand the scrutiny of a court room…not even a single one!
Case in point: US federal judges recently threw out a California law passed by Glendale Armenians via racist and dishonest politicians which allowed the so called heirs of bogus survivors of a bogus genocide could sue the insurance companies for life insurance policies purchased by Ottoman Armenians. Whoosh! What was that? It was t
I thought we were a "super power". Sounds like Turkey is the real "super power". It can dictate US policy on moral issues. Yeah, the same Turkey which denied our troops to invade Iraq from north causing higher casualities among our servicemen and servicewomen.
Oh what the Turks gave to America the curse, Armenians, criminal armenians, do you know biggest identitiy thefs in US is from Glendale, yeaah that is what Turks gave to us bunch of criminal rejects like you, go put on your gold chain over your gorillia body and froud steal some more and abuse our walfair system, and steal cars, biggest car thef is in Glendale and Fresno we Americans know who you are and l do not give a s about the Turks
Are you sure you are American? You sound more like a nazi bastard who will kill even children because of their ethnic origin.
Turkey is a US ally, not like armenians who hosts Russian troops in their soil, Turks are in NATO, second after US in fire power in Nato, and they help us in many ways, what armenians do for us l tell you their consulate sells false documents to murderers and rapests to stay in USA ,and if you read about their govrement they are controlled by 5 or 6 man who steals all the money we give them, very curropt people, and it is true Glendale is cesspool
A criminal is a criminal, doesn't matter if Armenian, Turkish or Mexican.
BTW you don't even speak proper english ;)
Kerry + mt + American = the same douchebag = turkish government's cyber propaganda agent
read this Armenins are corrupt and they corrupt US,
article reads
Another big problem impeding progress in Armenia is corruption. This is known to be widespread in many arms of the government. Police regularly collect money from motorists for either real or imagined violations, and from there on up through the different levels and branches of the government
According to official figures presented by Yesayan, Armenian law-enforcement authorities identified and solved 227 `corruption crimes' from January through June, up from 198 such cases reported during the same period last year. He said most of those cases involve `embezzlement and waste' of government resources, with two unspecified persons already handed prison sentences on such charges
The official statistics comes on the heels of the latest report by the global anti-graft watchdog Transparency International which suggests that corruption in Armenia has increased over the past year. Armenia slumped from 82nd to 88th place in Transparency's annual rankings of corruption perceptions in 146 nations around the world.
Opposition politicians and other government critics dismiss the significance of such statements, saying that corruption is one of the pillars of Armenia’s political system that has allowed Kocharian, Sarkisian and other top officials to stay in power. They also say that Armenian law-enforcement agencies are themselves too corrupt to tackle the problem in earnest.
Armenians lied, cheated, manipulated, and managed to buy a few politicians in 2000 (Schiff being one of them) to pass their special interest law which was thrown out by the federal judges. If more "Armenian claims" are challenged, more of them will be rejected by the federal judges. Why? Because all Armenian claims are based on hearsay, forgeries, and manipulations. Period.
Dear Joe, thank you for your thoughtful article. Did you know, however, that Henry Morgenthau never left Istanbul during the entirety of WWI, but claims to be an "eyewitness" to events occurring in eastern Anatolia?
Please also google "Andonian forgeries". The results will also enlighten you as the wholly illusory basis for "genocide" claims.
These "genocide" claims are a cold war relic developed by Russia after Turkey joined NATO to destabilize Turkey and wrest it from NATO's (i.e., the west's) sphere.
If you also do a little digging you will learn that Armenian "genocide" claims don't add up, literally. According to historians there were 1.6M Armenians in Anatolia in 1914. And according to Middle Eastern Relief and reports by Armenian leaders after WWI, over 1M Armenians survived the war, and the famines and epidemics that raged throughout Anatolia during WWI.
Also, 200,000 Armenians fought against their country and with Russia during WWI. That's called treason.
One more thing Joe, genocide is a crime, the ultimate crime against humanity.
Crimes that have been alleged to occur must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt with credible and admissible evidence in a court of law. That is how modern civilized jurisprudence works, and what the U.S. Constitution demands.
Only arcane archaic and medieval forms of jurisprudence immediately presume guilt and require the accused to establish their innocence. This, however, is the approach your article and "genocidalist Armenians" take.
If Armenian genocide claims were legitimate, they should have been taken to the Intl Court of Justice long ago and Armenian & Dashnak archives from 1914 should have been opened to the public, but remain concealed from the public. Don't you wonder why?
Surely you can appreciate the irony (or hypocrisy) in your article and the California legislature's pandering to this special interest group.
Hey Kirli-the-Clown, (Norman Israel-Mt-American-Kelly) Turkish tricks are for kids.
Turkish denial #415: Henry Morganthau was a liar. Turkish denial #212: Numbers are inflated. Turkish denial #115: Armenian murdered 500k Turks. Turkish denial #1000: Have Turkish officials pressure 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and warn them of the political repercussions that might arise out of telling the truth and to not allow the victims of the Armenian Genocide to receive their rightfully due life insurance policy.
There are 2 types of deniers here
1.The bigots that for whatever reason hate en entire group of people(Kelly,mt,American)
there's no argument here.Racism is not just wrong it's stupid.
2.To surmen and others maybe you can tell me and thousand others where there parents and grand parents are,you know,the ones that used to leave in modern Turkey.My grandmother told me how the Turkish troops rounded up all males from their village,including my grandfather, and where trown down from high montains alive to preserve bullets.Tell me how can I google and find these people.
Genocides are black and white:
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.That's exactly what happened.
mt doucebag asks "Armenians in America gave you the Melba toast, the MRI, Andre Aggasi... what did the blood turks give?"
mt douchebag, apparently you don't know why Armenians preferred to live in the Ottoman Empire as opposed to Europe.
When the Ottoman Empire was formed it was based on true Islam, which classifies all Muslims, Jews and Christians, who believe in one God, as believers and People of the Book. Thus, all Muslims, Jews and Christians practiced their religions freely throughout the Empire.
Meanwhile, in Europe, royalty (i.e., Kings) beholden to the Pope were burning alive anyone who refused to accept the Pope as God's representative on earth and Catholicism as the one and on ly true religion. Armenians, who are Orthodox, would have suffered such a fate in Europe.
To answer your question, the Turks taught Christians of various sects how to live together (and with Jews) without killing each other (or Jews).
Gary, please tell us then, where did the Armenians who boarded French boats in and around Adana in 1920 come from? Where did the ancestors of all those Armenians whose surnames are Turkish come from (i.e., Pasdermajian, Boyajian, Kurkjian, Dokuzian, Demirdjian, Zildjian)? Where did the diaspora in Glendalian come from? Or the one in Lebanon? Who populated the Republic of Armenia?
There were 1.6M Armenians in Anatolia and you claim all but 100K were murdered (because, of course, Armenians were exempt from the famines and diseases that struck everyone else during WWI).
Only 90 years later, Armenians claim a worldwide population of 9-10M and another 1M of "hidden Armenians" in Turkey, for a grand total of 10-11M Armenian worldwide.
Where do the 1M "hidden Armenians" in Turkey come from? How did your population manage to increase on such a phenomenal hyperbolic scale in 90 years? Or do your dead multiply?
"Norman Israel" is the latest pen name of Ergun Kirlikovali, a Turkish American race baiter who gets his copy straight from the Third Reich. Google him with some Pepto handy.
K is also the incoming President of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations, which must be asked why it has promoted this gleeful racist. Maybe its the all-American combover and baseball hat.
But ATAA has bigger, smellier fish to fry [and hide] than his own racist ravings. They are to be found here, the sworn 8/8/09 deposition of Sibel Edmonds:
www.bradblog.com/Docs/SibelEdmondsDeposition_Transcript_080809.pdf
Ms. Edmonds is a Turkish American whistleblower who on August 8, 2009 gave sworn testimony about illegal acts by the Turkish government on US soil. Read it and weep; better yet, call your member of Congress, assuming he or she is not identified as a bribe-taker in the Edmonds deposition.
Mr. Ribakoff,
A true journalist asks questions and listens to the answers. If you truly want to contribute to this subject in a meaningful way, why don't you contact representatives from both sides, or even disinterested third parties, and ask the real tough questions instead of buying into whatever propaganda someone whispers into your ears?
What kind of racist, denialist,hateful comments has this article provoked!Ignorance is the root of evil.Please take exmple from your brave progressive Turkish countrymen,university professors, writers and journalists who are being killed and prosecuted under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code for using the term Armenian Genocide.It is your history and the dark pages will be there no matter what.Look at Germany coming forth and doing the right thing.If you dont want the Ninth Circuit court to interfere with a genocide in your country(or Turkish domestic affairs as your ambassador called it)then you should not interfere in the US justice system either by having your ambassador write threatening letters to federal judges.
Good journalism!
And that in a nutshell is exactly what America is all about - A Democratic Dictatorship!
Good journalism!
And that in a nutshell is exactly what America is all about - A Democratic Dictatorship!
Thank you Joe for a humurous and eye opening article.
Whoever wants to contribute to this subject should spell check and learn grammer
you F#cking turkish WHORE. you F#cking turkish WHORE you F#cking turkish WHORE you F#cking turkish WHORE you F#cking turkish WHORE you monkey ass.
you'll burn in hell with your hell with your turkish pimps.
you'll burn in hell with your hell with your turkish pimps.
"I am not exactly an expert on the Armenian genocide, but I have read the dispatches from US ambassador Henry Morgenthau. But, I guess his reports cannot be factually correct because they too are contrary to President Obama’s foreign policy and therefore are preempted."
LOL?
Examiner.com article proves Joe Ribakoff is an idiot.
Armenian posters glorifying convicted Armenian terrorists. This one in Paris, honoring the notorious "Lisbon five", at an Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) meeting on July 2, 2008, can be found at fra-france.com/index.php?page=article&id=36.
The Lisbon Five killed a Portugese police officer and wounded another. A Turkish security guard fatally shot one of these "heroes," Vatche Daghlian. Another account of this deadly episode relates: "As the four remaining gunmen plant explosives in the residence building, the wife of the Deputy Chief of Mission, Cahide Mihcioglu, accidentally detonates one of the bombs killing the four gunmen. Mrs. Mihcioglu also dies in the blast, while her husband Mr. Mihcioglu and son, Atasay Mihcioglu, survive their wounds."
Yes, Armenian community continues to support and revere Armenian terrorists and assassins as you read these lines.
Armenian posters worshipping convicted Armenian terrorists
Another poster showing Armenian fascination with violence and terrorism. This one in a suburb of Lyon, France, honoring the same "Lisbon five", at an Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) meeting, also on July 2, 2008, at fra-france.com/index.php?page=article&id=55
Armenian community should be ashamed of supporting blood-thirsty Armenian terrorist so openly! For more face-time with dozens of more infamous Armenian terrorists, view this: picasaweb.google.com/armenian.tales/ArmenianTerror?authkey=Gv1sRgCPfoy8Twg6HBFQ#slideshow/5363469642108274930
Thank you Kirli-the Clown
Armenia terrorists are revered in Armenian community
This poster in support of the notorious "Ottawa three": fra-france.com/index.php?page=article&id=57
What’s with this fascination in the Armenian community with fanaticism, violence and terrorism? Tacitly supported by many Armenians and others throughout the world as legitimate revenge for what partisan observers dubbed as genocide, Armenian terrorism in the 20th century was an excellent example of how one person's terrorist can be viewed by some as another's freedom fighter. Armenian terrorism, as well as its support in the larger Armenian community, was unique in its visceral hatred of its enemy (the Turks.)
Also unique was how Armenian terrorism manifested two separate periods of activity separated by almost half a century:
1) The period immediately after World War I when a secretive Armenian organization called Operation Nemesis assassinated several former Ottoman officials, and
2) the period from approximat
Kirli-the-Clown,
You are truly "The Sick Man Of Europe"
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
This paper will seek to reappraise the strategic impact of Armenian terrorism in the 20th century. What forces drove this particular terrorism, and what led to its demise? What was its strategic impact if any? With the perspective of time, what role did Armenian terrorism play in the 20th century's over-all explosion of terrorism as a means by which the weak could achieve their strategic goals they could not in more conventional ways? Alternatively, was Armenian terrorism more sui generis, a unique phenomenon which had no lasting achievement?
Causes
Terrorism is a phenomenon that usually stems from the failure of its perpetrators to develop sufficient political or military strength to present their case in a more conventional manner. ..During the 1984 trial in Paris, France of the four ASALA agents who seized the Turkish Consulate and killed its Turkish g
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part II
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
Although Operation Nemesis, the Armenian terrorist organization that assassinated Ottoman officials immediately after World War I, disappeared in the early 1920s, "there have existed for many decades those organizations internationally . . . that are pursuing quite seriously the Armenian struggle for liberation in every peaceful method available."
Gerard J. Libaridian, a prominent Armenian scholar concluded that "the unwillingness of the Turkish state and major world powers to recognize Armenian aspirations after 60 years of peaceful efforts has resulted in a decade of terrorism." Similarly, the leader of the Marxist Armenian terrorist group ASALA explained the wave of Armenian terrorism that occurred in the 1970s, in part, as the result of "the general discovery as to the failure of the policy of the traditional Armenian parties."
In 1965,
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part III
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
Another event seminal to the genesis of organized Armenian terrorism occurred on January 27, 1973. In an individual act of revenge, a 78-year-old Californian of Armenian descent, Gourgen Yanikian, lured Mehmet Baydar and Behadir Demir, the Turkish consul general and vice consul in Los Angeles, to a hotel room on the pretext of presenting them two rare paintings. When the two Turkish diplomats arrived, Yanikian… launched into a tirade and then shot both Turks to death. Many feel that this double murder served as a catalyst for the ensuing decade of Armenian terrorism by ASALA and JCAG. Indeed, after Yanikian died in 1984, a respected Armenian newspaper in the United States declared that he had "opened [a] new era of political struggle" and "changed the course of Armenian history."
(The irony and double standards are not lost on an honest readers th
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part IV
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
Armenian terrorists themselves declared that their campaign began in 1975. In an interview with the Arab-language periodical Al-Majallah in August 1982, an ASALA representative stated that his organization's first operation had been in 1975 against an office in Beirut "run by the World Council of Churches, for promoting the emigration of Armenians to the United States." … After one of its agents murdered Kemal Arikan, the new Turkish consul general in Los Angeles on January 28, 1982, the other Armenian terrorist organization JCAG claimed the deed in a recorded message over the telephone to the Washington Bureau of the Associated Press, adding that "our revolutionary struggle began in 1975," apparently referring to its assassination of Danis Tunaligil, the Turkish ambassador in Vienna, Austria on October 22, 1975…
Given the support of their Palesti
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part V
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
… A dissident ASALA source stated that soon after joining the Palestinians, Hagopian "found himself within the ranks of Wadi Haddad's splinter PFLP [Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine]," which was George Habbash's faction in the PLO. "It was during his activity with Wadi Haddad that he [Hagopian] gained most of his experience, developed many personal friendships with Palestinian leaders, and began to mimic the organizational and military tactics of Wadi Haddah," which according to the same dissident ASALA source cited above, "intentionally caused innocent victims harm, and thus served to discredit the Palestinian Resistance in general as 'terrorist.'"
The Lebanese catalyst of Armenian terrorism was further illustrated by the fact that so many of the known terrorists hailed from that country. As Hrand Simonian, a leader of the Armenian c
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part VI
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
Background. The Hai Heghapokhakan Dashnaktsuthium or the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF), commonly referred to as the Dashnaks, was founded in Tiflis, Russia in 1890. Until Armenia declared its independence from the Soviet Union in 1990, the Dashnaks were arguably the preeminent Armenian political organization. The ARF's Manifesto issued in 1891 "sounded like a declaration of war against the Turkish authorities," declared a modern Dashnak writer.
"..To attain its aims by means of revolution, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation shall organize revolutionary bands which shall wage an incessant fight against the [Ottoman] Government," wrote Simon Vratzian, the Dashnak leader who briefly became the premier of the independent Republic of Armenia created after World War I, but incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1921.
…From its incepti
ARMENIAN TERRORISM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, Part VII
Michael M. Gunter
Dept. of Political Science
Tennessee Technological University
Other scholars … point out that since they were the weaker party, the Dashnaks and other Armenian groups began deliberately to use terror against the Turks to incite Turkish reprisals and massacres which would then encourage broad Armenian support for revolution and finally great power intervention.
According to the well-known historian William Langer, "Europeans in Turkey were agreed that the immediate aim of the [Armenian] agitators was to incite disorders, bring about inhuman reprisals, and so provoke the intervention of the powers."
Walter Laqueur, a noted authority on terrorism, has concurred: "Since they [the Armenian terrorists] could not possibly hope to overthrow the government, their strategy had to be based on provocation. They assumed, in all probability, that their attacks on the Turks would provoke savage retaliation, and tha
This Armenian poor me pitty me and give me campaign will not going anywhere, Armenians are the biggest crooks, l used to live in Glendale and all the time cars are stolen, they date rape, and sell drugs, identitiy thef is the higest in US, yes their consulate sold fake documents to Armenian felon, mostly murderers,rapists,grand thef,drug dealers,and dengered our lives here and l had to move from Gelndale, and every year they march in our streets and chanting ,very stupid, we Americans do not care Ok. go face the Turks in your country you live next to them, but what l know is Armenians are cowards, they run when they see a Turk, they are only good of killing women and children just like what they did in Azerbayjan just 17 years ago, their govrement is the most corrupt in the World, it is in their blood, to cheat , lie and kill,
I am American and l say deport them all
God bless America
The Edmonds testimony calls into question just how "American" the "Turkish-American" lobby really is.
Edmonds says that the Turkish government ran spies in this country who engaged in blackmail and espionage. She accuses them of stealing and selling nuclear secrets to our enemies. Denying the Genocide is a small part of their activities. Maybe she’s wrong. But no citizen can deny that her allegations are serious and warrant investigation.
That's the last thing our pals at the Turkish American lobby want. They have wrapped themselves in the flag - the blood red flag of Turkey, that is. See for example this non-factual screed against Edmonds by the “Turkish Coalition of America”, published before the 8/8 Edmonds transcript was released. www.turkeyamericablog.blogspot.com/2009/08/tca-condemns-actions-by-armenian-lobby.html.
Even Combover Kirlikovali got in the act, calling Edmonds “sibellydancer” on the web.
Are the Turkish lobby supporters loyal to America or to Ankara?
Ergun Kirlikovali, Orange County Republican and allegedly proud Turkish American, uses the pen name of "Norman Israel", and some others, to publish his Nazi rants. Buy the 5 gallon drum of pepto-bismol, google his names, add the word "Armenian", and take a trip down memory lane. Unfortunately, that lane is stuck in the middle of Hitler's Germany.
He does not limit his racism to Armenians, Kurds, or Assyrians [about whom he once memorably said that they were invented by Armenians to discredit Turkey]. Last year he insulted Mexican American journalist Gustavo Arellano, calling him "Speedy Gonzalez" and chastising the American-born journo not to do things as they are done in Tijuana.
Mr. Kirlikovali practices the art of plastering all websites with Turkish propaganda. Like the Turkish government and its toadies, he drowns out dissent. It does not work.
Kirli-the-Clown,
You are truly "The Sick Man Of Europe"
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