Submissive women are preferred by some men.
An English professor wrote the words: "Woman without her man is nothing" on the blackboard and directed the students in his class to punctuate the phrase correctly.
The males wrote: "Woman, without her man, is nothing."
The females wrote: "Woman! Without her, man is nothing."
How many men have ever been truly challenged by women to question their deeply ingrained sense of entitlement to and superiority over women? The National Organization for Women (NOW) founded on this date in 1966, launched an organized fight against the socialization and stereotypes which limited opportunities and possibilities for women.
Though 40 years have passed and great progress has taken place, many men continue to feel that a woman who describes herself as "a feminist" is a male basher that hates men. To these fellows, a woman who would dare upset the well established imbalance of power by requesting an equal share, respect and opportunities for females is viewed as someone whose goal is to destroy the family, and men in particular.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Taking a stand against male oppression and fighting for a woman to have the right to say "No!" to you and make choices that suit her does not mean that such a woman is against you. Being pro-woman does not mean that one is anti-male.
According to the dictionary, feminism is "the movement for the full social, political and economic equality of all people." When viewed in those terms, how could any decent man be against the feminist movement?
For thousands of years, society has been constructed to place men in a position of superiority over women. Our social structure has placed males in control, which means men have conveniently had things their way for generations. Men have been judge jury and executioner over what is right and wrong for women and girls. From the way we dress, how we wear our hair, what we can say, where we "should be" and what we do with our bodies sexually have been dictated by men for generation upon generation.
The emotional, sexual, and psychological stereotyping of females begins when the doctor says, "It's a girl." ~Shirley Chisholm
When men get together, it is common to hear them lament the loss of the "old days" when women 'knew their role" and understood "the natural order of things" as they relate to women subjugating themselves to men. Sighing, they reflect fondly on the 1950s and 1960s, a time when women "took pride in wearing an apron, cooking, and being stay-at-home housewives."
On numerous occasions men have expressed to me the belief that all hell broke loose in America when the feminist movement came into being in the 1970s. Feminism has been blamed not only for the dysfunction in my own Black community, but for the collapse of every institution in the nation such as churches, schools, families and communities due to the distortion of gender roles brought about by feminists. Gloria Steinem's statement: "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" is often referred to as a declaration of gender war.
It should be expected that men will resist and resent any female that would have the gall to say that the old way is not benefitting her, and that she has no interest in participating in that system. Men don't seem to understand that prior to the 1970s, women were socialized to not expect much for themselves. Being a wife and mother was pretty much ALL that women were expected to be, to do, and to achieve. Even college educated women that could have contributed a great deal to our culture and society were silenced by the weight of the patriarchy which mandated that they stay at home, raise babies and have a home-cooked dinner on the table at 6:00 p.m. sharp.
Women were depressed, miserable, lonely and unfulfilled, but men somehow fail to see that. As long as their needs were being met and their fantasies fulfilled, they are happy. You don't believe that being at home with children all day is stressful and anxiety provoking? Think of Andrea Yates as a perfect example of the chokehold women were in, unable to breathe from enduring the burden of the thankless social role stay at home mothering can be when forced upon you by the tenet of "female submission."
Submission: (1) the act of submitting, yielding, or surrendering; (2) the quality or condition of being submissive; resignation; obedience; meekness; (3) the act of submitting to the authority or control of another: "Oppression that cannot be overcome does not give rise to revolt but to submission" (Simone Weil); (4) the condition of having submitted to the power of someone else; (5) the condition of being submissive, humble, or compliant.
Male superiority is nothing but a tool men use to control women, to make women predictable and malleable so that men can feel more secure about what a woman does with her body. That is the whole purpose of all these rules and the desire for a "submissive" woman you know… to provide the male with sexual services when he wants them, and assurances that the female body he calls his really is under his power and control. It is of utmost importance that he knows where his body is at all times, who has access to it, and that no one is getting in it but him.
Sadly, many women fail to question their belief in male superiority as well. Brainwashed by their fathers and pastors, deacons and teachers to believe that the only way they can acquire the love of a man and marry, they hang tightly to the belief that it is not in a woman's nature to lead, effect change, or stand up and be heard.
Understand ladies: it is not in a woman's "nature" to be anything but great and powerful self-actualizing citizens of the world. Yet various cultures and religions have limited female options and choices based strictly on gender. Women of today, their mothers, and their mother's mothers have all been socialized by men to believe that men are superior and that women should subjugate themselves to males, but that is nothing but a lie.
Women's chains have been forged by men, not by anatomy. ~Estelle R. Ramey
Women are powerful, smart, strong creatures, emotionally resilient, caring, and in touch with themselves and others emotionally. Women are by far the stronger of the sexes in every way but physically. No woman, and especially Black women, has the need to be submissive to men on any level at any time.
And should you meet a man that believes the only way the two of you can have a "happy relationship" is for you to submit and turn over your power to him, you need to seriously consider passing on that guy. Where would his quest for power and control over you end? Men have become so power-mad that they refuse to allow their woman to wear certain clothes, hang out with her friends, or even to wear makeup. They refuse to allow her to work outside the home, have her own money, or go back to school as he decides what is best for her and what he wants to happen with HIS woman.
Giving into to submissiveness would mean that he feels powerful and in control as you slowly allow him to chip away at your self-worth. To make him shine you hide the parts of yourself that you love and that make you YOU, just so he can feel good about himself and his shaky sense of manhood.
At some point men must make an effort to understand that having a penis gives them no special powers, no increased abilities, no more knowledge or experience, nothing more than women have. You are not more than a woman. You are not superior in any way. You are the opposite of women, but you are not better, you are not smarter, you are not faster at anything either. You are just a male. And that does not entitle you to any special privileges or rights or treatment just because you are.
Women, know this: your power is not in submission; your power is in your resilient spirit, in your joyful heart, in your intelligence, and in your soul as a woman. Your power is in your sense of accomplishment and the benefit you bring to your family, your community and the world.
Do not ever let a man convince you to submit to him because he demands it or because he feels it is his rightful position in your life. Surrendering your power and self to the control of men unconditionally will damage and possibly destroy the very essence of your spirit, the very thing that makes you the strong, confident and wonderful woman that you are.
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You ask: "When viewed in those terms, how could any decent man be against the feminist movement?"
But then you go on: "You are not superior in any way. You are the opposite of women, but you are not better, you are not smarter, you are not faster at anything either. You are just a male."
And: "Women are powerful, smart, strong creatures, emotionally resilient, caring, and in touch with themselves and others emotionally. Women are by far the stronger of the sexes in every way but physically."
This highlights your own sexism and your own belief that women are inherentely superior to men in every way. NOW has shown itself to be a misandrist, anti-male organization for years. Its members, like you, believe that men exist to serve women but should be devalued as useless at the same time. This article is nothing but hate speech disguised as a relationship column. Feminism, the way you express it, is the real hate movement here, not men.
Although a woman... I must agree with you, Louis, at least just a little. Sometimes one goes to extremes to prove a point and sometimes it is necessary.
Interesting thing I'd like to share. I was married about three weeks ago and the other day when our marriage license arrived in the mail, I was shocked to find that it came addressed to my husband and not to the both of us. Hmmm... perhaps the county's subtle way of saying that wife is still chattel? I still might give the county government a call about it.
Thanks for the great article!
Great article! I will pass this along. Assuming that Louis is a man's name, his comment shows that there are still men out there who couldn't begin to understand what it is like to be a woman in America today.
"When men get together, it is common to hear them lament the loss of the "old days" when women 'knew their role" and understood "the natural order of things" as they relate to women subjugating themselves to men. Sighing, they reflect fondly on the 1950s and 1960s, a time when women "took pride in wearing an apron, cooking, and being stay-at-home housewives."
Really? Wow. I've been hanging out with men for pretty much my whole adult life and I've never ONCE heard any guy say anything like this, but then I've only been an adult for about 30+ years, and it's possible I've been hanging out with the wrong men.
YOU, on the other hand, must be hanging out with a lot of men of the proper sort.
Louis, what you don't understand is that women are stronger THAN MEN WANT THEM TO BELIEVE. Women are smarter THAN MEN WANT THEM TO BELIEVE. Women are more powerful THAN MEN WANT THEM TO BELIEVE. Women are not as fragile emotionally, silly, or "out of touch with reality" as MEN WANT THEM TO BELIEVE. You are misreading what I wrote and as typical, putting a negative spin on anything that boosts women's confidence and self-esteem which doesn't continue to glorify you. Are you aware Louis that it was legal in the US for a man to beat his wife until 1883 when Maryland enacted the first law against it. There were no battered woman shelters until 1974 in the US, so battered women had nowhere to go. This is the type of treatment I rail against. Neither men nor women are here to "serve" each other like slaves sir, we are here to complement, support, encourage, respect and love each other. If it takes the sharp edge of hard core feminism to accomplish that goal, so be it.
CD, I can give you a link to a podcast where the men said EXACTLY that. I have been an adult for more than 40 years and work in the dating and relationships advice field, so I have interacted with hundreds of thousands of men from all over the world over the last 20 years. When I say what I have experienced and heard, that is what I experienced and heard. No need to make it up - I have hundreds of emails still on my computer to back up my statements. But thank you for visiting the page.
"CD, I can give you a link to a podcast where the men said EXACTLY that. I have been an adult for more than 40 years and work in the dating and relationships advice field, so I have interacted with hundreds of thousands of men from all over the world over the last 20 years. When I say what I have experienced and heard, that is what I experienced and heard. No need to make it up - I have hundreds of emails still on my computer to back up my statements. But thank you for visiting the page."
Well, again, you must be hangin' with a different crowd of men than I do and have done.
Besides, if you've talked with hundreds of thousands of men and have hundreds who'll back up what you assert, that still only accounts for 1-2% of the male population.
You really ought to be careful of making it sound like even a significant proportion of the male population feel as you say they do.
Ciao
Men like you just insist on discrediting a woman, no matter what she says and how much research she does. Yet you all proudly tout stats that MEN create from 0.00003% of the population as if they are the gospel. SMH. You are a perfect example of the chavaunistic misogynist that I wrote about. Thank you for adding yet male which proves the accuracy of my research.
Excellent article and discussion!
It is not unusual for straight men to say "I don't notice any sexism." Or "You're too sensitive." The culture in which we live and have been socialized is largely structured to accommodate male primacy, so why would men notice it?
Becoming intimately, actively involved with the methods by which sexism is conveyed is like becoming fluent in another language.
There is a context and a framework, and frankly, it is often women and not men who are all too familiar with it. And so, of course, when a man says, "I don't know any men like that" it is likely because he lacks the experience of a woman.
In some ways it is like white people who cannot fathom that racism exists. Because as a society we're soaking in it!
I have heard my entire life that I am equal, only to have the opposite be communicated to me in big and small ways every minute of every day. It affects us all. That is a problem that needs solving.
"There is a context and a framework, and frankly, it is often women and not men who are all too familiar with it. And so, of course, when a man says, "I don't know any men like that" it is likely because he lacks the experience of a woman."
Absolutely, just as the context and framework that many women have been fed and grown up with states, "Men have all the advantages and enjoy many more advantages tha do women."
The contest and framework from which you and the woman who wrote this column are coming from is a stance of, "I, as a woman, am a victim because ALL women who came before me were victims and ALL men enjoyed a Paradise of women serving them in evey way."
Sorry, but this is just not true.
Deborrah, in Quebec there is not a single DV shleter that will accept men, even more shamefully, fathers with children are turned away, and we are talking hundreds every year to this day. Feminists not only don't care about men, they actively oppose ANY efforts to help men who face domestic violence, or any issue they might face. I have never heard any men or women talk about the opposite gender and relationships with the bile and hatred that feminists do. Popular media (print,TV,Net), as well as much of the academic fields treat men two ways: evil or stupid, the same cannot be said about women.
I am not saying that sexism does not exist to this day, but your ideology, the way you state it, is part of the problem not the solution.
Oh, and please name the school and teacher that you state in your column, because I do not believe you. Even if it was true, the "male" students had two choices with that "test": be misogynistic or self-hating, the women faced no such choice.
My column focuses on the San Francisco Bay Area. That is all I am required to address. I am also not required to name a school and teacher. Men always take that "prove it to me otherwise you as a woman are wrong because I say you are" approach. Again, another example of the chauvanistic misogynist that I wrote about. You can't just take it at face value - you have to challenge and do all you can to discredit a woman's statement, though if a man said it you would shut up and be happy. So I suggest you pretend I am a man and shut up and be happy.
Susan,
Yeah, sorry to hear that, it really sucks. Feminists points to all perceived injustices suffered by all women. Good. They also encourage all kind of prejudices toward men, or silence anybody who dares disagree with them. If they were serious about gender equality, more men and women would be willing to work with them.
Deborrah, I notice that after I called you on your sexist boasting that "Women are by far the stronger of the sexes in every way but physically." You tried to backtrack while trying to appear not to backtrack. Nice try.
Most relationship books I see on the shelves of bookstores have this unifying precept: "Men, obey the women in your lives in every way, if you know what is good for you. Your needs and desires are selfish, hers are not. You have nothing to contribute, you are hated, but we still want the extra cash and the sperm. If we choose to divorce and prevent you from being a father, tough" And then they say that men are "commitment-phobic".
The great thing about America is we get to have different opinions. Men have enjoyed the benefits of privilege and getting what they want from women, in the workplace, in the legal system, and in society for centuries, virtually unchallenged. Now that you ARE being challenged, you pout and nitpick like a child. I wrote the article to highlight the resistance and temper tantrums men are throwing since women are now challenging you to the throne. I remain unwavering in my stance and will continue to advocate for women as we play "catch up" to get our share of the opportunities and privileges men have enjoyed alone for so long. This battle is only slightly different than the battle Black Americans regularly fight against White privilege. I now have two swords in my hands and won't stop fighting until I win. And I will not apologize for it nor attempt to console any man that doesn't like what I have to say or how I say it. Again, thanks for writing.
Louis: just as the context and framework that many women have been fed and grown up with states, "Men have all the advantages and enjoy many more advantages tha do women."
This has not been "fed" to us. We live with it every day. We EXPERIENCE it, as does everyone - it harms men as well as women.
Louis wrote: "The contest and framework from which you and the woman who wrote this column are coming from is a stance of, "I, as a woman, am a victim because ALL women who came before me were victims and ALL men enjoyed a Paradise of women serving them in evey way."
You are putting false words in my mouth, as you put words in Deborrah's mouth. You haven't got a good argument but straw men don't work.
Re: the inequity in Quebec DV shelters. Because male is the "default" in the culture, male interests are usually considered ungendered. As a result, you only REALLY notice when something favors female interests, and get mad. The inequities against women, you ignore as normal.
Regaring, the breakup of the family, I think any breakup started when MEN left the farm, not when women had to leave the home for economic reasons. She was the last one to leave the home because she is biologically closer to the child, but make no mistake. Discipline, connection to behaving morally and how children developed self-esteem changed when the father was typically separated from the children.
This article illustrates the problem with the doctrine called feminism. Notice that the writer lays down several laws about relationships for ALL women. No woman should be submissive...how awful it is raising kids all day at home... She indicts the woman who prefers being submissive and enjoys being at home as sadly misguided. THAT's the problem with feminism.
Some women LIKE strong men and WANT men to be dominant. They don't like touchy feely Phil Donahue types. They PREFER bikers or bad boys. That's their right and they're no less women for their view.
On the other hand some like the writer aren't particularly maternal and prefer the world of business and don't want to be submissive. That's also HER decision.
The problem is that feminism is like religion to people like the writer. They aren't content to decide their own lives solely. They judge and pass a sentence of "guilty" on women who enjoy a traditional role deeming them aberrant. THIS attacks those women.
I guess if you're someone who objects to your decision-making competence being challenged, you would prefer a submissive partner. It's not fair to say that only men deal with this kind of insecurity. I like to have control over my life. I'm the kind of person who thinks everyone else is an idiot, I make snap judgments, I'm terminally insecure about not being "smart enough," I'm terrified of being homeless so I'm obsessed with academic achievement. Fortunately my boyfriend tolerates all of this. In many relationships the roles are reversed. Truthfully, if a man were able to provide for my economic well-being and I could just chill all day and take classes and f*%K off, I wouldn't have a problem with him making most of the decisions. But given that I am a working-class person and I have to pay my own way, I need control. I thank the women's movement for giving women the realization that we can set our own paths, that we don't have to fulfill the cultural expectations laid out before us.
There was a chitchat by three feminists and one feminist supporting male on C-Span a couple of weeks back in which one of the feminists said that this was finally the era of gender equality after a ten thousand year lack of it. That statement is true, but revealing also from a distinctly non-feminist perspective. In the end, whatever the endless prattle, what determines outcome in the absence of a policing organization is power. Not surprising given biological nature as observed over a few thousand higher vertebrate species, males are with scant exception significantly larger than females. Darwin's transcedental supporter's did this both for reasons of courtship testing and because the males of said species engage more in violent defense activity whilst females, including human ones, had babies, lots of them. Culture and pharmacology have changed that dramatically, thus this truly ugly and painful war of the sexes. Sex is still much better, as nature carved it out, chick bent down.
One other odd aspect of this conversation is that it negates the sexual preferences of some women. Again some are turned on by dominant men. Why is this bad? This should be obvious in a gay centric location like SF where gay men and women act out dominant and submissive roles all the time. No one makes them any less gay for their preference. So it is with heterosexual women.
Thank God they're not all one way and let them have their relationships how they choose without some nosy academic feminist priestesses proclaiming them ill informed,unenlightened, unsophisticated and unworthy.
I am a feminist, and I am a *very* submissive woman. A lot of women have naturally submissive inclinations, and I feel that men who are poorly educated about feminism misguide these women and make them feel that feminism is against female sexual submission. The reality is that feminism supports female sexual liberation and the quest for females to find out how to seek their own sexual pleasure. For some females, that means serving a dominant man.
"When men get together, it is common to hear them lament the loss of the "old days" when women 'knew their role" and understood "the natural order of things" as they relate to women subjugating themselves to men. Sighing, they reflect fondly on the 1950s and 1960s, a time when women "took pride in wearing an apron, cooking, and being stay-at-home housewives"
I agree. I rarely see men speaking like this in real life in front of women, but on the internet it's all too common for men to pine for the good old days when women accepted the place men gave to them.And of course, there are all the sanctimonious housewives that conveniently ignore all that feminism has done for them and instead choose to denigrate career women as though they are inferior mothers.
My blog deals a lot with issus of evolutionary psychology and biological determinism. I am an unorthodox feminist, and most of my readers are male, but I'd like for more women and more feminists to join the discussion.
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Men, nor women, lived in paradise during the past. Most of humanity lived harsh and miserable lives, They did what they could to meet their basic needs. If you did away with modern techonology, the birth control pill and others, and reverted to the techonology of 1000 years ago, you would see women and men behaving the same way they did then. just trying to stay alive.
Just because a feminist makes a choice, it doesn’t mean that it’s a feminist choice.
You may feel you have great reasons for choosing the option which happens to be what the patriarchy has greased the rails for you to do. But having good reasons doesn’t mean that you’re not adding your own grease to those rails.
It's not necessarily anti-feminist either. But this is all about systemic analysis, not individual choices --- which continue to be limited for women. It is our job as feminists to see where women’s choices are limited and to broaden the path.
Deborrah and other feminists have no reason to champion women being submissive as that is the expected, non-chosen default for most women in this society anyway.
Do women prefer dominant men?
I actualy like strong women. One can't be a strong man by surrounding oneself with weaklings.
Want to know the real way to make a woman not sleep around? Treat her with honor and she will have honor.
What's with the labels. The men have to label a woman a 'feminist' if she doesn't believe in submission in a relationship. Do men do this to satisfy their ego? I believe in the words partnership, compromise, productive communication, honesty, strength, cooperation etc.. All of these on the part of BOTH parties involved in a relationship. A woman need not be submissive in order for her to have a successful relationship. A man isn't 'entitled' to submission or to be treated as if he's the king on a throne, just because he has a male organ. Having a male organ doesn't make a 'male' into a man. Men want women to be submissive, but they don't want to discuss what they need to do in order to be REAL MEN deserving of a Queen of a woman. Men wan't it one way, just because they are men. Uhh NOT!!
this is the best blog in town, the numbers of opinions have topped all other subject-sites. I never had a totally submiss woman, but I do know about pushy over-the-hill-off-the cliff women. because i dated one before. she was so pushy I was traumatized. she ran over me like a freight train. I'm still searching where all my toes are. maybe a submiss gal might do me good.
Deborrah,
I agree with absolutely everything you have said. Men that have a problem with it...Get over it! Womens injustices way out number your if you want to have a pi**ing contest. I do not feel bad you supposed mistreated men. You are far a few between! However, i do believe if we as a society want to move forward, we must work together (WOMEN AND MEN). As for the self proclaimed "submissive feminist", honey there is no such thing. You might want to redefine yourself with the house mommies group. They probably have a blogspot too.
To Dr Wisdom: who is physically stronger does not matter any more, we can use forklifts, or cranes, and we got there by developing our brains, just please don't start with who has bigger brain, because I have met a lot of men with lower IQ thane me. Dinosaurs were huge and strong, but humans had something else, and we all know what was it. You will not see lioness to be submissive, unless during the mating, and sometimes she has even to protect her baby so it is not eaten by her own father. Adaptability is the answer, evolution is going on.
Samantha, the lioness depends for the male for her and her kids survival, the male sits around and sleeps 20+ hours per day and waits for the Lionesses to bring him dinner. (kinda like what todays black women deal with : full time job, primary caregiver etc). Fact is Men who have themselves half way together are pretty much in control. So please stay independent, and please let us know how that is working out for you.
To Roger: "This article illustrates the problem with the doctrine called feminism. Notice that the writer lays down several laws about relationships for ALL women. No woman should be submissive...how awful it is raising kids all day at home... She indicts the woman who prefers being submissive and enjoys being at home as sadly misguided. THAT's the problem with feminism."
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Nobody wants to be submissive-in outside world, everyone would like to be a leader, to have a lot of money, to be free, to decide for her/himself, to have enough to eat, to achieve. We all want SOMETHING TO BE. So before we die we can say to ourselves we did it, and we did it our way (What Frankie would sing).
What is happening in bedrooms is a different story, who will play a sub or dom, that is a private thing.
Hi Deborrah, do you believe that if someone was to identify themselves as a "feminist", does that imply that its acceptable to blame men for all of the worlds gender based problems?
Do all of this STILL needs to be said? Seriously?
Just a note. Choices. Individually, each and every choice an adult makes freely about his/her life should be respected, but this doesn't mean phenomena shouldn't be analysed and contextualized socially. Our society still has patriarchal elements. While is still, if not expected, widely accepted of a woman to be subservient to her her partner and/or a stay at home parent, a man who makes similar choices is still looked down upon. In a society that still holds such ridiculous double-standards, these choices are not as "free" as they should be.
@Bevin
"Hi Deborrah, do you believe that if someone was to identify themselves as a "feminist", does that imply that its acceptable to blame men for all of the worlds gender based problems?"
Hi Bevin, do you believe that if a man was to identify himself as a "misogynist", does that imply that it's acceptable to blame women for all the worlds' gender based problems?
Wow what ignorance. Yes as in lack of knowledge.
For thousands of years women have been too busy child bearing while the men were out hunting. It is only in recent history that women have been required and had the opportunity to participate in society outside of the household (in general)
1. Each person should choose their role of dominance or submission. Partnerships have varying degrees of these two elements which may switch back and forth to each partner.
2. Submissive one is the one with all the power because the submission is a gift.
i) If there is not gift then it is abuse
Have always suppoted the ladies in my life to follow their goals. Lost one to school, lost one to a way better job. What did I gain? The thrill of helping someone succeed. Gender was not such an important issue.
Note: No mention of matriarchal (spelling error possibly) cultures. Yes there are some in the world.
It is terrific that both genders are now able to participate in the workforce in the wester
:) I fully agree with this article!
I am a 15 year old and one of my friends tried to get me together with her boyfriend's best friend, regardless that I told her that I was not ready for a boyfriend. I have only been exposed to men who only want me for my body, and that hasn't been a good experience, so I wanted to get away from them for a little while. This guy seemed nice, so I began talking to him on facebook. As time went on, I confirmed my not liking him as a boyfriend. Not only was he not nearly comparable in intelligence to me, but his abilities and strengths were also lesser than my own. In addition, he often demanded that I "entertain" him when he was bored. I cannot see how I could ever manage to stand a "man" like that.
I absolutely agree. Not in the controlling manner in which you suggest. But I know one thing.. women expect the man to initiate everything. There is nothing wrong with playing the submissive role but just make sure that role does not exclude having a pulse, and being responsive and bringing some kind of energy to the interaction. Too many women are just boring... they just want the man to chase, chase, chase. It's gets OLD!!! have a damn pulse. But if you think being the aggressor is going to make you the stronger sex.. think again because it won't. attraction is not a choice, never has been. we have no control over who we mate with most of the time. think about it.
Alright, personally I think it seems like you are calling for a crusade here. Now I don't live in America nor have I ever visited this part of world, but back here in Sweden though this idea of intergrating females in every single sector through gender quotas is not making sure that the most competent people gets the spot but equal amounts of the gender. I don't have anything against women or feminism en general but you have to face facts, we have taken a long way from beating women, my god it was more than 100 years ago, are you still holding grudges for that? Addng to your little argument you are using a trick called generalisation saying "men do this and men do that" but how do you really know that all men actually do this "When men get together, it is common to hear them lament the loss of the "old days" when women 'knew their role" and understood "the natural order of things" as they relate to women subjugating themselves to men. Sighing, they reflect fondly on the 1950s and 1960s, a time when women "took pride in wearing an apron, cooking, and being stay-at-home housewives." huh what the heck is that I've never heard any man saying anything like that in my entire life and I am one myself. I can agree with you on some points for instance that human beings should have the same benefits regarless of gender. But I think that you go overboard when attacking males in general in order to replace men with women just for the sake of doing it. The one who should have a job is the one most qualified for it irrespective of sex. Hey now once again I'm a man so what the hell do I know about you hardships however I ould like to point out that all men are not opressing their wifes and not all men are working againt the idea of women in power. In conclusion I would also like to say that feminist organisations have proven to be anti-male instead of pro-female which I personally think is wrong.
//Swedes don't actually hunt polar bears and all the women are not blond and dumb
P.S excuse me for any spelling mistakes english is only my second language after all
Im a 18 year old living in a major us city. Im not sure if anyone has noticed but its the 21st century already. There is injustic around every corner and almost all of it isn't 1/8th as serious as it was 30 years ago. I've only encountered sexism twice, where a man was abusing his partner and in both cases men and women kept to heir feet inorder to put a stop to it. Sexism is just like racism, a bad stench in society. Im bi racial. Both my parents grew up poor and now enjoy afluent lifestyles. My mother is my neighboors only white friend, for no particular reason. All 4 of my bosses are women. I don't know a single husband who doesn't admit to being "whipped" and not being totally upset by it. Please, for the sake of my generation, grow he fuck up and teach your kids true equality instead of what great injustices you think you are suffering.
"Women are by far the stronger of the sexes in every way but physically."
That's nice rhetoric, true to form for the modern age of neo-feminism, and by perpetuating this myth you're no better than the institution you claim to stand against; you are merely its inversion.
For the record, no. Women are not stronger than men "in every other way" than physical. It's absurd to think this, for it discounts individuality. Even if you choose to speak in aggregates, I still don't see it.
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