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America's education system perpetuates the gap between rich and poor

 

America is rich.  Why is American education so poor?

Conservatives will almost unequivocally blame the government-run school districts and their thick layers of bureaucracy, and there is something to be said for that: there is a great deal of bureaucracy in public education, and many people holding very highly-paid jobs who do very little, if not tell other people how to do their jobs (such as teachers) when they themselves have never actually done those jobs and know next to nothing about the practical realities of those jobs.  Granted.  There is plenty of room for reform there, and plenty of those jobs could be eliminated, or at the very least occupied by individuals with real, recent, hands-on experience in...well, educating.  Next, conservatives will point their finger at teachers' unions, claiming that union demands make it impossible to balance budgets, hire the best teachers and fire ineffective ones.  I have more than once written in favor of overhauling (or overthrowing entirely) the seniority system supported by teachers' unions, because I do feel that very often that system allows incompetent individuals to remain in their positions, earning increasingly substantial salaries, long after it is clear that they are ineffective.  However, despite this disagreement with the union's stance on this particular policy, as well as a few others, I shudder to think of a de-unionized school district.  Every raise we have been given--even cost-of-living increases--have been hard-fought by the union, and just this past year the union spent months fighting to keep the district from passing the ballooning cost of health insurance premiums onto the backs of employees.  As it is, teachers' salaries are so low and increase so slowly as to be prohibitive to many would-be teachers, particularly in areas with high costs of living such as South Florida.  Without the advocacy of unions, districts would likely find themselves with even fewer qualified candidates and even higher turnover rates.  While many of the union's positions should be examined and revamped, most teachers would agree that de-unionization would result in worse conditions for public school employees, which would ultimately wound even further education for our children.

In fact, the conservative "solution" to the problems in public education seems to be, more often than not, privatization (despite the fact that none of the nations with top-performing education systems rely on a model of privately owned or managed schools).  Their faith in the ability of the so-called "free market" to improve everything seems to know no bounds.  But it is an oft-seen brand of privatization that is not self-sufficient.  After all, the very point of capitalism is that the government is not supposed to interfere: once these private organizations rely on tax dollars for survival, and in the case of schools need the government funding to exist in the first place, we are no longer really talking about true capitalism at all--just about politicians favoring the private sector over the public sector, favoring profits over public service.  And indeed, any politician who espoused the privatization of education in the truest sense of the word would never gain any significant support among voters, because that would be reverting to a (fortunately) long-outdated, feudalistic system where only the monied classes would be able to educate their children, while the children of those without sufficient incomes to pay for their education would...do what?  Go to work in factories?  Obviously in the twenty-first century there can be no question of returning to any such system, so conservative politicians push for the next-best thing they can reasonably find support for: private school vouchers and charter schools.

If politicians feel there is a crisis in American education--an idea that is in itself debatable, as the quality of public education in the US has remained relatively stable since the 1970s, though the improvement since then of education in other developed and industrialized countries showcases the mediocrity of our own system--one might hope they would look to countries with excellent education systems for ideas.  Finland was credited in 2004 by OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development) with the best education system in the world, with its students edging out Hong Kong's by a thin margin in math.  Finland's education minister credited their enormous economic investment in education as the primary factor, along with parental support and involvement, having small, local schools where students stay from ages 7 to 16 before entering into an academic upper secondary school or a vocational upper secondary school, with very few students dropping out, and places in higher education for 65% of students (universities and most materials are free in Finland), and hiring and retaining highly qualified teachers at all levels of the system.  Surprisingly, Finnish students spend the least amount of time in school of all the European nations.  Though Finland is an entirely different country with a very different culture from our own, perhaps we might learn some valuable lessons about education from them, or from other high-performing education systems throughout the world, which we could then adapt to our own economy, culture and established system.  As I previously reported, community schools throughout the US are experiencing great levels of success in many areas, from improving achievement to lowering dropout rates and increasing parental involvement.  If none of the top-performing education systems in the world are based on private schools receiving taxpayer funding, what on earth makes us believe that this is a viable solution for the problems plaguing education in America today?

Charter schools are the #1 pet project in education for conservatives.  They are packaged and sold to the public as offering choice to parents, and promoting competition with public schools so that, in turn, public schools will be forced to improve in order to stay "in business."  Tax dollars marked for public education are then diverted to private organizations holding a charter with the state.  Though most states require those organizations to be nonprofit, there are some, like Imagine Schools, who turn a significant profit through shady real estate deals through the real estate arm of their business.  Furthermore--and perhaps more importantly--so far there is no conclusive evidence to support that charter schools are any more successful at improving student achievement and/or closing the achievement gap than traditional public schools.  And in the state of Florida, according to the CREDO report linked here and above, charter schools actually fared worse overall than traditional public schools, as is the case in other states where there are multiple charter-authorizing agencies, effectively making it easier for private managers to get charters to run publicly-funded schools.  Some charter schools have enjoyed high marks on state report cards; others have repeatedly received F's.  A major national report released in July shows charter students nationwide trailing their counterparts in traditional public schools, and the trend is even more marked in Florida, which ranked among the six states with the least effective charter schools.  While there are some notable exceptions--just as there are notable exceptions among traditional public schools--the success of charter schools tends to mirror that of public schools...along socioeconomic lines.  Charter schools that primarily serve more advantaged social classes are more successful than those primarily serving low-income populations...just as in traditional public schools.

Conservative politicians claim that this "competition" from charter schools will serve to improve (not undermine) traditional public schools.  However, evidence does not support this claim.  For one thing, charter schools, though they receive the same public funds as traditional public schools, are not bound by the same rules--therefore, whatever "competition" there may be, is not fair competition.  For example, though charter school students do have to pass the same standardized tests as students in traditional public schools (in Florida, the FCAT), and they do have to follow the same admissions standards (i.e., they are not allowed to "pick and choose" their students), they do not have to play by the same rules when it comes to expelling students.  I was told by a friend who teaches in a nonprofit charter school in Miami that his school is quick to expel students; since it is considered a "school of choice," they have the right to "get rid of" students who are causing problems, even when those problems would not be sufficient to get a child expelled from a regular public school.  This ease of expulsion can be used to improve school discipline and safety--an advantage public schools do not have, as they are bound to accept and educate all students until there is a proven safety risk that usually requires some sort of drastic action having already happened, such as a student bringing a gun to school or making a serious bomb threat.  There is also potential for abuse there.

In some ways, the "competition" charter school proponents laud actually favors public schools--especially when it comes to hiring and retaining qualified teachers.  Since charter schools are not bound by union contracts, they are free to set their own salaries and offer their own benefits.  In times where there are plentiful openings in schools, they will generally be forced to keep their salaries comparable to those in unionized public schools if they wish to attract qualified teachers; in times such as now, where school districts are laying off rather than hiring, they may find themselves at an advantage, able to hire new teachers or laid-off teachers with lower salaries than they would get in public schools.  However, if they do not maintain salaries similar to or better than negotiated union salaries, they will find themselves losing many teachers once the economy revives and positions start opening back up within public school districts.  My friend teaching in a charter school says that, while he likes certain things about his school, he would return to a public school if he had the opportunity.  He doubtlessly will have that opportunity at some point in the coming years.  Most teachers--even good ones who are confident in their abilities--will prefer to work in schools where their salaries and benefits are negotiated by the union, and where they enjoy greater job security, unless the salaries and benefits being offered by the charter schools are significantly better than those offered by public schools.  While this is sometimes the case, it usually is not--especially when the charter schools are spending up to 40% of their annual budget on rent, lining the pockets of the for-profit wing of the charter management company.

Countries with very successful education systems do not lose many students to private or religious schools, or home-schooling.  And while it may appear to be an effect of the high quality of public education, one might do well to consider how it could also be a cause.  It is no great secret that socioeconomic status and the education level of the parents (which are almost always directly linked) are a great predictor of children's academic achievement.  These children benefit from concerned, well-educated parents, for whom education is a priority, who have access to the resources needed to encourage children to succeed from a young age, and who tend to be more involved in their children's schools (a luxury that households with a single parent often working more than one job or a great deal of overtime, or even two-parent households where both parents work full-time or more, can often not afford, even if they do put great priority on education for their children, as they often do).  In the US, parents living in urban areas are far more likely to send their children to a private or religious school, or to homeschool them, to keep them out of "bad" public schools.  Do they realize that this is a large part of what makes those schools "bad"?  When students who have the huge advantage of academic support at home, concerned, well-educated parents who prioritize education are concentrated in private schools, leaving the urban schools filled with almost 100% low-income students who did not, and do not, enjoy the benefits of having wealthier, better-educated parents, it is no wonder the schools suffer.  Research shows that middle-class to upper-class students generally achieve the same academic outcomes regardless of where they go to school (because so much of education starts in and continues in the home), but that low-income students benefit dramatically from having higher-income students in their schools.  For me, this is confirmed by empirical evidence.  Of my friends who attended private or religious schools for all or part of their K-12 years, none ultimately attended a better college than me (most of them ended up in state universities), and most of them are teaching alongside me in a public school today, earning the same salary as I am.  I think it is safe to say that they benefited less from attending a private school than their home public schools were harmed by them (and those like them) going to private schools.  (Not to mention their parents could have saved a great deal of money that could have been used for college, living expenses, a new car, charity...)

And more often than not, when middle-class parents cannot afford (or do not want to afford) pricey private schools for their children, they opt to live in the suburbs rather than in the city, assuming that in choosing a suburban school they are somehow improving their children's chances of success.  Whether they consciously admit their prejudices or not, they somehow envision their children inevitably turning into ignorant, soulless thugs if they send them to an urban school.

The end result of these attitudes among middle-class and upper-middle-class parents is exactly what we have today: a mediocre, but stable, public school system in suburban and middle-class areas, almost all white, and failing inner-city schools, almost all minority and low-income.  There are many schools in urban areas throughout the nation that are close to 100% black.  These children are told (as are the nearly 100% white student populations in more affluent schools) that the civil rights movement ended segregation and won minorities equal rights and opportunities.  But how are they to believe that there is anything resembling equality, when it is glaringly obvious that white parents living in the wealthier parts of the city do not want to send their children to schools with large minority populations, to the point that they will spend tens of thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools (often with mediocre academics) or move out of the city to avoid it? 

The system, as it works presently, merely perpetuates the racial and socioeconomic status quo of American society.  White, middle- and upper-middle-class parents segregate their children from minority, low-income children.  The low-income children in the urban schools, with few advocates, feel society's indifference toward them and suffer from society's low expectations of them.  Meanwhile, the children in suburban public schools and in private and religious schools, are raised with a sense of superiority and entitlement, even when it is not explicitly conferred upon them by their families, and meanwhile benefit from their families', teachers' and society's higher expectations of them.  It is a self-fulfilling prophecy...or a vicious circle. 

The fundamental issue underlying the problems in American education and the achievement gap is not a "lack of competition."  It is not the fact that the government runs education and that, therefore, it must not work.  (The military, the police and the department of corrections--favorites of the conservatives--are all government-run operations.  The idea that "the government can't do anything right" is preposterous.  As citizens, we must remember that we are the government.  We elect our government officials.  If we feel they are not doing their jobs right or working in the public interest, it is our responsibility to vote them out, and vote in better options, or create better options if none exist.  We are extremely limited by the two-party system.  Popular interest and activism could lead to a greater variety of choices in elections, and effectively, better representation of the people and their interests.)  The fundamental issue underlying the problems in American education is that the gap between the rich and the poor is huge, and continues to grow.  Until our attitude changes, and middle-class white parents are willing to send their children to school alongside low-income and minority children, and we are willing to stop segregating ourselves by neighborhood and school zone, these problems will persist, no matter how many good teachers and good materials are put into urban public schools.

Funneling taxpayer-funded profits into the hands of private charter management companies will not fill the gap between the rich and the poor.  Charter schools with high concentrations of low-income and minority students fail at the same rates, and sometimes at higher rates, as in traditional public schools.  Offering private school vouchers for low-income students may benefit those recipients, but they simultaneously divert tax dollars away from the schools that need them the most, and leave huge populations of vulnerable low-income and minority students in failing, crumbling schools.  If we were to provide full vouchers to all the students at those failing schools, the influx of poor, minority students at those private and religious schools would undoubtedly alarm and instigate the wealthy white parents who were paying such a hefty price to ensure their children would not have to go to school with "those kids."  Furthermore, the private schools could not handle such a large influx--one of their primary (indeed, only) advantages over public schools is their small size and small class sizes.  This is all without even mentioning the obvious diversion of tax dollars to institutions that are not bound by the same regulations, standards and oversight as public schools, and the constitutional violation of giving tax dollars to religious institutions in the case of vouchers for religious schools.  Thus, charter schools and private school vouchers are not a large-scale solution to the problems ailing public schools, and as long as the social problems continue to exist and schools remain effectively segregated, there will be a limit to the amount of improvement inner-city schools will make.

A concerted effort, such as community schools, can do wonders.  Increasing the number of magnet schools within school districts, and allowing for more mobility within school districts, in conjunction with combining city and county school districts so that moving to the suburbs is not an option for imposing de facto segregation, has proven effective where it has been tried. 

Another idea that is not talked about often is toughening up on private schools and homeschooling.  There is a prevalent notion that parents should have the right to choose what and how their children learn, meaning that many parents, particularly those who are very religious, choose to send their children to religious schools or even to homeschool them.  Very often, their motivation is not a sincere belief that the quality of the education will be superior, but to shield the children from "secular" ideas, and even science: they want their children to learn creationism (and creationism only), that the world is only a few thousand years old, that dinosaurs and human beings coexisted, and they want to protect their children from the "dangerous" theories of evolution and climate change, among others.  These are theories in the scientific sense of the word, meaning supported by enormous amounts of facts, research and evidence, but these parents want their children to learn that these are hoaxes, and that the Bible is the only reliable source of information.  Any self-respecting public school district would fire a science teacher who taught creationism and Biblical literalism as "science," because we understand what science is and what it is not, and science is not religion.  Science relies on evidence, research and experimentation to prove its theories; religion, by its very definition, defies proof and demands faith.  If we hold science to be important--which in today's world, we have little choice if we want to maintain our status as a superpower--we want to make sure all children are learning science.  So why are children from religious families exempt?  They are too young to draw their own conclusions about the legitimacy of religious concepts; if they are not being properly exposed to scientific knowledge and theories, they are at a huge disadvantage, and consequently, by allowing this to happen every day, we are failing our children.

Just about anyone can open a school and teach whatever they like, and children attending that school are not considered truant.  Likewise, parents can opt to homeschool and teach their children anything they like (or not teach them at all), and there is almost no oversight; the children are considered to be "learning."  Private schools should be held to the same standards as public schools, including religious schools, and including science standards.  (I personally believe that there should be no religious schools for K-12 in the US, as it amounts to indoctrination since children, particularly those who have not been exposed to other viewpoints, are vulnerable and do not have the information or the thinking skills to make their own decisions about what to believe or not believe when it comes to religion.  However, I understand that in a country as virulently religious as the US this would be too radical an idea to ever be embraced by public officials or anyone truly hoping for public office.)  If they do not meet these standards, they should be officially discredited, and consequently their students should be considered truant (not getting a proper education) and their "diplomas" should not qualify their students for acceptance to state or private accredited universities and colleges.  There is no reason why we should hold private or religious schools to lower or different standards from public schools, and if we agree that all children are entitled to and, in fact, must have an education, then it is up to us to ensure that all children are being properly educated--even if their parents do not want it.  There is plenty of time for indoctrination at home outside of school hours; children deserve to at least be exposed to facts, knowledge and alternative viewpoints at school, so that eventually they can make their own decisions and have the capacity to think for themselves and compete.  Likewise, homeschooling should only be permitted when the children are being taught by certified teachers competent in the subject areas being taught, and when they meet the same standards as public school students as indicated by the same standardized tests public school students submit to.

By holding private and religious schools, and homeschoolers, to the same standards as public schools, part of the incentive for many parents to place their students in those schools (or teach them at home) would dissolve.  Combined with strong magnet programs and increased mobility within joined city-county school districts, establishment of more community schools, and improved structure for hiring and retaining qualified teachers (including salary incentives) and for firing ineffective teachers, we might have a chance at saving education in America, and even at starting to chip away at the disparities between socioeconomic and racial groups.  But it requires a major shift in the attitudes of the American middle class.  A paradoxically taxpayer-funded "capitalist" privatization of schools, or increased siphoning of taxpayer dollars away from public schools toward vouchers for private and religious schools, will not save our children.

But with the right change in attitude, we can.

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Dade County Education Policy Examiner

Jennie Smith is a public high school teacher for Miami-Dade County Public Schools and a firsthand witness to how education policy affects teachers,...

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  • TN Teacher 2 years ago
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    Jennie is proving herself to be as bad at stereotyping as the parents she chooses to criticize. Not all home schoolers choose to teach creationism, for instance just as not all schools are bad. While I personally never chose to homeschool my own children, as a community college instructor I have taught many homeschoolers who succeed quite well, even in science classes. Since I live in TN, I do not know about privatized charter schools; I don't think they are legal here. Our charter schools are run by the school system. Certainly there is a huge difference in the expectations of parents at suburban and urban schools; certaunly students at urban schools would benefit from being exposed to higher income students. However, forced busing proved to be a dismal failure as parents chose to go farther and farther away from the city. The problem exists of course in the large school districts where there are many schools.

  • Jennie Smith 2 years ago
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    For the record, I never said that ALL parents who homeschool teach creationism, or any one particular thing for that matter. I merely said that this is what happens "very often" in the case of homeschooling, which is true. Homeschooling is done more often than not for religious reasons. More often than not does not mean 100% of the time. Nor does it mean that all homeschooled children will be "failures," or even most of them. All I meant to say here is that if we hold certain standards for children in public schools, and for their teachers, there is no reason why children attending private or religious schools, or being homeschooled, should not be held to the same standards. If we make so many exceptions to what we expect children to be learning in school, it means we do not really value those standards...in which case, why apply them at all, and why not just let schools and teachers teach whatever they want?

  • Jennie Smith 2 years ago
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    On a second point, nowhere in this article do I advocate for "busing." My advocacy is for strong magnet programs in many schools throughout a district, allowing for increased mobility within a district, joining city and county school districts so that mobility and magnet programs actually have the ability to do something about racial and socioeconomic segregation, and most of all I advocate for a change in attitude among all involved--parents, politicians, public officials, teachers, and all of that will definitely be reflected in the children and their attitudes, as they overwhelmingly absorb what they are exposed to. Obviously the attitude change is the hardest objective to achieve, but that does not make it any less worthy a goal.

  • Marcy Muser 2 years ago
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    Do you really believe "rich, white, religious" parents send their kids to private schools or homeschool them primarily to keep them from contact with "those kids"? What nonsense! Parents move to the suburbs so their kids can go to good schools, not so they can avoid poor kids.

    In truth, no matter what we do, the really rich will still send their children to prestigious private schools, because those schools provide a better education than middle-class schools. Suburban schools provide a better education than urban schools. Would forcing the rich into suburban schools improve suburban education? Not likely - and neither will forcing middle-class kids into poor schools.

    School choice, OTOH, allowing kids to attend any school in the state, is a huge benefit, increasing competition and reducing segregation. Expanding districts reduces accountability; districts should be reduced in size so they MUST be accountable to taxpayers. These steps improve education for all.

  • Marcy Muser 2 years ago
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    Jennie, your reasoning re: what makes "bad" schools bad is circular. You are saying: good parents pull their kids from bad schools, therefore the schools are bad. Do you see an error in logic there? The schools were bad BEFORE the parents pulled their kids out; if they hadn't been, the parents would have left their kids there.

    I homeschool because our local schools are poor. Sending my 2 kids to those schools won't help the schools much, if at all; but it will give my kids a poorer education. If you're a parent, you know that you'll fight viciously to protect your children's best interests. I will NOT sacrifice my children's education in order to (hopefully) improve the education of those whose parents don't care - if I did, I'd be as a bad a parent as they are. If I want my kids to help improve education, I'll encourage them to do that as adults, not as tender, impressionable children, who may be convinced by their peers that learning is not "cool."

  • Jennie Smith 2 years ago
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    Re Marcy's comments: I'm not sure where you're writing from; but if you are from the South, as I am, or have spent time there, you will know that middle-class whites fled to the suburbs during integration, and as a result, the city school districts remain primarily minority while county school districts are mostly white. Furthermore, the comment about those whose parents "don't care" is insulting. Very often, the parents DO care, but because of their own lack of education and resources, and due to the strain of raising children in poverty and often working overtime or multiple jobs to keep food on the table, do not have much of a voice in changing things. And they do not have the "choice" of moving to the suburbs to go to "good" schools. When city and county districts are combined, money is able to be spread more evenly, since in this country we fund schools with property taxes; there will be more revenue per capita in the county than the city, obviously.

  • TN teacher 2 years ago
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    It is not just a question of money. Because of Title I monies and programs, low income schools often have money funneled into them. In addition, in some districts, teachers are paid more if they are willing to work at Title I schools. The problem, as we all know, is parents. It is true that parents with less education and low incomes often do not put a high priority on education (whether due to background, time, etc. it's still a fact) and that is often reflected in the attidues of their children in the classroom. What I hope is that the new generation of students, many of whom are graduating, getting post-secondary education and better paying careers, will be able to break the cycle of poverty and low expectations. Pouring money into schools will not help without a change of heart in students and their parents. Some of our best and most dedicated teachers work tirelessly to help these students and should get Medals of Honor for their dedication.

  • TN teacher 2 years ago
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    Oops. Typo, and this from an English instructor: attitudes, not attidues.

  • Marcy Muser 2 years ago
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    I'm not from the South, but I've lived there, and you're certainly right that there is more prejudice there than in the rest of the country. I've lived most of my adult life in the West, and nowhere in this vast area do I see significant prejudice. "White flight" in most of the country is far more involved than simple racial prejudice, and poor urban schools can't be fixed simply by forcing (or "encouraging") more middle-class kids into them. Parents generally fight hard to be sure their kids get a truly excellent education, and I doubt you'd willingly put your own kids in poor schools so someone else's kids might get a slightly better education. Many public school teachers send their own kids to private schools or homeschool them.

    Increasing district size, while equalizing the $ spent per kid, reduces accountability. In spite of the trend toward combining smaller districts into big ones, I'm not aware of any research suggesting schools are better in bigger districts. Are you?

  • Crimson Wife 2 years ago
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    "I personally believe that there should be no religious schools for K-12 in the US, as it amounts to indoctrination since children, particularly those who have not been exposed to other viewpoints, are vulnerable and do not have the information or the thinking skills to make their own decisions about what to believe or not believe when it comes to religion. "

    Do you object to vegetarian parents feeding their children meatless diets? If not, isn't that "indoctrination" of "vulnerable children who do not have the information or thinking skills to make their own decisions" about whether or not to eat meat?

    Oh, the hypocrisy of liberals...

  • Indiana 2 years ago
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    While I don't agree with all of your sentiment on education, I'm happy that you continue to shed light on the corrupt practice of the profit/non-profit charter schools. Once upon a time I believed that charter schools might be a viable answer to parent involvement in children's education . After working for Imagine Schools however,and seeing first hand how they operate, I'm sickened. The school in which I worked paid upwards to $700,000 a year to lease the property in which the school was located. They borrowed another 350,000 from Imagine's finance sector (at 12%) to renovate a building on the campus for the middle school. As unethically sound as that may be, the true crime comes in their deceptive bill of sale. They have no plan for better education - no textbooks, no libraries, a very weak and ambiguous curriculum, leaders and administrators with little to sometimes no educational background and young inexperienced teachers too petrified to declare that the emperor has no clothes.

  • Harmon David Biehl 2 years ago
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    Hi People, I have had to deal with home schooled kids and public schooled kids. There is almost no difference in their skill levels as far as I am concerned. Many public school students can't make change for a 10 dollar bill without a computer telling them the correct answer.
    As a business man in Orange County Florida and as a partner in education with the same organization for almost 15 years I found out some real unsettling truths.
    1. The incity schools were staffed by dedicated teachers with a miossion to help the underprivilaged kids learn. Amost all of them told me in one way or another that the frustration is more with the students themselves at wanting to pay attention and learn something, not that they don't have the same opportunities to learn. I have also dealt with private religious schools the do K-12. Their reasoning is clear. The "Good Student" is the exception to the rule in public school. Most kids just hope to get thru the day without conflict of any kind.
    HDB

  • James McCall 2 years ago
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    @Indiana: Of course the charter school borrowed money for a facility. Charter schools don't get free buildings like other public schools. Where did you want them to teach? In the neighborhood park? What is unfair is that charter schools are forced to take that much money out of their budget just to have a building when other public schools have their paid for by local taxes. Teaching at a school is one thing. Understanding school finances is another.

  • Indiana 2 years ago
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    back @ James McCall - you're right...understanding school finances is indeed "another thing" especially when it's as convoluted as Imagine's is(see Fort Wayne Journal Gazette's "Lease Adds Up at Imagine" Aug. 16). As far as where I'd like them to teach - I'd like them to operate in a facility that also allows them the funds to actually TEACH.

  • Jennie Smith 2 years ago
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    Re Crimson Wife's comments: It's funny that you assume hypocrisy by giving an example that certainly did not come from me, and without any idea of whether or not I would agree that it was indoctrination. Do I think it is indoctrination for a vegetarian parent to feed his/her child a meatless diet? Not necessarily. The important thing is that the child get all the nutrition he needs; if the parent does that without meat (which is very possible, though it requires some know-how) there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it. If the parent teaches the child that every person who eats meat is an evil, corrupt murderer, then THAT is indoctrination. (By the way, I am not a vegetarian myself.) If a religious parent's primary goal is making sure the child has a good education, it does not matter that the parent is religious. If his/her goal is to make sure the child has the same religious beliefs as him/her, it IS indoctrination. Forgive me, but I fail to see the hypocrisy in that.

  • Jennie Smith 2 years ago
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    @ James McCall: You seem to be operating on the assumption that the charter schools in question had no other choice but to pay so much for their lease. You seem to have ignored the fact that Imagine Schools' parent corporation has a real estate arm which is, in fact, responsible for those outrageous lease prices. Other charter schools have been able to find leases that account for a tiny fraction of their school budget. This is how Imagine Schools' founders and investors make money now that they are more or less obligated to function as a nonprofit. They make their money off absurdly-priced, very shady real estate deals. Go back and read some of my other articles dealing with charter schools, and the links to other very informative articles in them, and you will see for yourself. These schools are about making money for certain people--not about offering kids or parents a better education.

  • You're wrong 2 years ago
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    Education or the lack thereof didn't get us to this point..One major flaw in Capitalism got us to this point.If unrestricted the more capital you get the more you can obtain,with no limit.There is only one solution to fixing this problem without scrapping the whole system.There must be a maximum income,not a maximum wage ,where weisels can find a way around it with bonuses.but a true maximum income.as for Education the majority of the worlds goods are created by uneducated people.and after all goods are what everyone wants with their money.so education is a quite a bit over-rated.Sure we need Educators and doctors and engineers.but the real fruits of wealth is created by hard work,building things.
    I suspect America is close to a tipping point unless the rich wise up and realise that people are close to the point that they would choose death over business as usual,we will probably see a civil war in America in 5 years maybe even less.

  • LockDeltz 1 year ago
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    We can all be educational reformers, we all have ideas on what education should be, but I think we all agree that the department of education is useless, there needs to be more school choice (and more educational freedom for that matter) and the government shouldn't forcing children to go to school. I would get rid of compulsory education laws and the federal and state government needs to get out of the way. Schools should be controlled locally. I would like America to one day adapt a free-market education system, I think that's the only solution to all our educational problems. As for the debate between learning at home and learning at school, well that comes with educational freedom. It should be an individuals choice if they want to be educated at home, at school, by a private tutor, online or whatever. And America as a whole really needs to rethink it's priorities towards schooling, because schools are nothing more then a service. Going to school for 15 years doesn't create productivity, jobs do, and there is millions of Americans who never completed college or even high school for that matter and can do well at their job.

  • LockDeltz 1 year ago
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    Private schools do better then public schools Jennie, that's a fact. There is a difference between private schools, religious school, and homeschooling. As a matter fact private schools (especially in the college level) use the same teaching methods as of public schools. ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED, if not at least get the federal and state government out of the way. Toughening private schools or homeschooling will not educate kids better, as a matter fact they will most likely go to another source that teaches them in a less stressful manner. Imposing strict laws like punishing kids who are truant is ridiculous. Some people are just not good at school and they never will be, but that doesn't mean they are not smart or they can't earn a living for themselves. That's just how it is.

  • @Lockdeltz: I'm having trouble connecting your ideas, but what I would like to point out is that if you (like so many others) can agree that the constant testing and "toughening" is stressful and counterproductive and therefore should not be "imported" into private schools or homeschooling, then why is it a must for public schools? We get back to this double standard that some people (teachers, students) and institutions require accountability and others do not, even though they take public funds (vouchers, etc.) and receive public accreditation. If the methods that have been imposed and continue to be toughened every day are such great measures of accountability, then why should they not be imposed across the board, instead of being reserved only for certain populations? That is my only point there. For the record, I do not like high-stakes standardized testing, nor do I believe it is a good measure of how much a student knows or how good a teacher is, considering the number of influences on a student's academic performance AND considering the limitations of standardized testing, particularly in subject areas outside of the very practical and objective ones like math.

    As far as the truancy laws go (which I am not sure of the connection to the rest of your arguments), I agree that not everyone is good at school or likes school, and that it does not mean they are not smart and cannot fend for themselves. However, they have much better chances of ending up in a productive career rather than a life of crime or perpetual unemployment or minimum wage employment if they go to school, and I am a big advocate of vocational programs in high schools, to cater exactly to that population. A major problem in the US today is that we have pushed vocational training by the wayside in high schools, insisting that everyone go to college, when it is not for everyone, and when we do not even have enough jobs out there for those already graduating from college. If we helped kids learn a viable trade while still in high school, especially for those not academically inclined, they could graduate from high school and start a well-paid and satisfying career, rather than facing minimum wage employment or racking up debt attending college or technical schools before they can start a real career.

    And on one final note...if you wish to abolish public schools, how do you propose that we educate students coming from families who cannot afford to send them to private schools, or who do not have the education to homeschool them (few parents have the education to homeschool through high school; I am a high school French teacher, and there is no way I could teach anyone calculus, chemistry, etc.) Would you, like David Harmer, like to return to "the good old days" of the first hundred years of our nationhood, when rich kids got educated and poor kids went to work in sweatshops or the fields? I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

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