On the night of April 5, Orland Park police arrested Nour Hadid, 26 after paramedics rushed her 2 year-old niece Bhia to Palos Community Hospital. The little girl was unconscious and died from severe injuries to her brain and kidneys, which she sustained during four days of beatings. Emergency room doctors said that her tiny body was covered with at least 55 bruises. Assistant State's Attorney Debra Lawler told reporters that Bhia had been beaten over and over with wooden spoons by Hadid. The Jordanian national, who was apparently enraged because her husband accused her of stealing money from him. Hadid has confessed to the murder. Orland Park Police Chief Tim McCarthy said: “She outlined in detail how the child was abused.” Of course, Hadid has been charged with the murder of Bhia Hadid and is being held without bail. Her next court hearing is scheduled for April 30. While the cable and network news outlets have been filled with coverage of the tragic disappearance and murder of Sandra Cantu, along with the ongoing saga of the Caylee Anthony murder, and Haleigh Cummings abduction, not one minute of coverage has been given to the murder Bhia Hadid. Volumes both in print and online have been written about the little Cantu, Cummings, and Anthony girls, but I have yet to see one article devoted to Hadid except for very brief statements on the case from Chicago-area media outlets (Orland Park is just outside Chicago). In fact, the only outrage that has been expressed in this case is from the Muslim community, who are outraged not over the little girl’s brutal murder, but over the fact that Nour Hadid was not allowed to wear her headscarf for her mugshot. Dr. Mohammed Sahloul, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Chicago, expressed his outrage to the Southtown Star by saying: "they should respect the modesty of the accused." Hadid’s husband Alaeddin said the mugshot was an "insult against our religion." He has promised to sue the Orland Park Police Department for the photo. He has expressed no similar outrage over his wife beating to death their 2 year-old niece. Why has the national media chosen to ignore the horrific murder of 2 year-old Bhia Hadid? This poor little girl had no one to defend her during her short life, that sad fact has changed very little in death.
2 year-old Muslim girl beaten to death last week in Chicago...Where is the outrage?
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I think the other 3 little girls were given alot of media coverage because they were missing for awhile under strange circumstances.
I am so sorry to hear about this precious little girl. I am extremely disappointed in the Muslim community for feeling that a headscarf is more important than Bhia's life. Unfortunately, it is stories like this that make many people lack sympathy for the Muslim people. I have no respect or sympathy for someone who would beat an innocent toddler for four days. This is not someone who deserves to live within the confines of any community. I agree that the other three little girls have gotten massive media attention. These were all missing person cases which spread fear and mystery among the public. Such things do very well in the media. Bhia's case was easily solved therefore getting little to no attention in the spotlight. I care about Bhia's life. Although I will never have the chance to meet her, this story touched me. I know that she is now in a place with no more fear or abuse.
Oh, come on, are you trying to insinuate by your article that no one cared enough about this baby to plaster her brutal death all over the news? Well, not to worry. Now that Joel Brodsky is front and center, this story will grow legs like you've never seen. Only he'll help fuel the very thing you are opposed to; he'll make sure Nour Hadid is victimized here, not the brutally beaten baby. After all, if that keeps his mug in the media, that's what's important, and he thinks he's latched on to a biggie. Except, he's going to fail miserably, because now he does have everyone's attention,and it's their outrage over this baby's death, not a headscarf that was removed for a mugshot.
I think this woman used more than a wooden spoon to cause the injuries described to the 2-year-old. All my wooden spoons are light as a feather and although they could sting the skin, they would break before causing any deeper injuries.
I feel deep sorry for the baby girl and the offender must be held under the laws. The issue is that though the incident happened in a Muslim family, it bears no relation to Islam and it will be foolish to relate it to the religion of the people involved. A one off incident can't be generalised for community. What Josef Fritzl did can't be used to confer that Jews give more importance to the Holy land than their own daughter's sanity.
Wow, these Muslims really need to wake up and get in touch with reality!!! Protecting her modesty? Ideally there'd be no modesty as she'd be on her way to the fry on the chair.
Here in the United States we view child killers as monsters. We do not distinguish religious preference of these monsters and we do not offer special treatment to child killers. If religious modesty is more important to this imam than human life and respect for federal law, I would invite this religious leader to take his message to another country - any other country.
Sentiment among American "Liberals" these days is that these Jordanian/"Palestianean" people can do no wrong, and any action--no matter how violent--committed by them is good and should be embraced. That's why there's no outrage.
The children whose cases were highly publicized were missing and needed exposure to find them. The 2 year old beaten to death by a relative is unfortunately repeated too often but is not a missing person's case.
Many people from different parts of the world come to the United States in search of a better life. But what is it about the United States that makes it a better than most? The values of our people, that’s what. We may be of different races, social backgrounds and creeds, but there is a great deal we do share: over anything else, we believe in the value a single human life. We believe in the importance that our laws and policies further life, health, peaceful social coexistence, tolerance, the opportunity for academic and economic advancement regardless of social status, family name or ethnic origin. The material wealth and standard of living we enjoy is the direct result of the rule of just laws over the whims of powerful men. Anyone who comes to this country expecting only to do better economically but unwilling to incorporate our basic core-beliefs of our way of life is in for a very rude awakening. No, we should not and cannot be insensitive to the religious beliefs of a community. But in this country, there is separation between church and state. What is of overriding importance here is that the murder of a helpless, innocent child has been committed. The suspects of this crime emigrated form their countries of origin and into the jurisdiction of the U.S. and of the state in which they reside. They moved here of their own free will. If these people do not wish to be subject to our laws, then they should have never come here. Period.
It would be better if the Internet was leveraged for stories like this. The author makes a lot of very startling claims that require me to take his word that he is giving me his views of the news that happened, not his views of the news through any kind of seriously slanted filter. Now, darn it, I have to cut and paste three or four names, etc. into Google and look up the info from the newspaper sources.
More of Americans no matter what their religion is. Certainly does not condone child abuse. When I see a child, I see purity and goodness. I don't look to see color of skin or what faith their parents or other family members may be. Most of American's feel the way I do. We go about out daily duties without one thought of religion or race. We try to do the best in life and do our best for each other. The abuse of children happens in all cultures. We as a people should all stand up for every case everywhere and tell those doing the abusing that we will not take it any longer. There will be a just punishment! I do agree that the media covered the other cases for the reasons of needing a wide range of viewer to help find the children. When in the other little girls case she was already dead and they knew the details to the case. I had a nephew murdered in 1995 and his story was only in local papers. He wasn't missing either. I didn't feel the need to have all media outlets to tell his story. I only pray that we as a planet can get together and stop the violence and heartache. One person at a time can do this huge task. Stand together and we can do it. I promise you that.
What I'd like to know is the beatings went on for 4 days and no one including the father (Aladin) knew nothing about this? Is the 2 bedroom 1000 square foot apartment that large that this man couldn't hear a child being beaten with wooden spoons and sticks? Come on now. I'd say someone is TOTALLY guilty and should be charged with accessory to murder. He had to know. He had to... I'm sorry.
There may be no outrage because such things seem to be normal in Muslim families. They even agree by expressing outrage (or is it diverting from the main issue of murder) by whining about the killer not being able to wear her headscarf and "insulting their religion"/suing over it, when they should find out why and prevent a killer from taking her anger out on a 2 year old. Sounds like anger/violence runs downhill with these people - in this case ending with a 2 year old being systematically beaten for 4 days. And where was the child's mother???.
Other issues that should be addressed are Muslim extremists throwing acid in the faces of girls walking to school, dishonoring/killing ("honor" killing) women/family members who have been raped, not letting a woman divorce a husband who beats her, arranged marriages/punishment for underages/girls who refuse to marry an old man, "female circumcision", etc - so a little girl beaten to death over a 4-day period by a woman "who was apparently enraged because her husband accused her of stealing money from him" is not so surprising in a culture where women are not treated very well. This of course may not apply to all - many Muslim men may treat their wives with respect. Many studies have proven that abused people abuse others - this woman was pretty bad. In respect for the religion, I hope she is allowed to wear her headscarf when she gets a lethal injection.
I have 2 points to make. Sorry if I'm wordy, but just try to hear me out if u want because I think these are all very interesting and relevant issues. First, about this article: I have to agree with Anonymous and Shanna that this is somewhat of a different issue from the other 3 cases mentioned in the article. This was immediately recognized as a homicide and child abuse case, while those were missing child cases that could have used the public's attention to solve. Unfortunately there was nothing the public could have done to help this poor toddler.
However, I agree with the overall sentiment of the article. Look up "missing white girl syndrome" and you will find out why I feel this way. Although apparently, statistically white girls are more often kidnapped than children of other races, I think the exposure given to cases of "cute" white girls is EXTREMELY disproportionate. Living in Chicago, there have been several amber alerts for African American children over the past few years. They do not receive NEARLY the same kind of exposure as cases such as Caylee Anthony's, who doesn't even live around here. Wouldn't Chicagoans be more likely to recognize/find a girl who went missing from our area as opposed to someone who lives like 1000 miles away??? As another example, a grown woman went missing from Plainfield, Illinois. In-depth, prolonged exposure of her case, along with public vigils and multiple community searches all FAR surpassed efforts on ANY case of a missing minority child from Chicago or surrounding suburbs. Or Stacy Peterson, another grown white woman from the Chicago area. There seems to be an obsession with her case which has continued long past the point of realistically expecting to find her alive. We know Stacy Peterson's whole life story. We have seen basically complete family albums of her photos from every angel in many different outfits. We have seen home videos, interviews with family members, while cases of missing minority children have been almost entirely overloooked.
Of all the people who get mass exposure for missing persons cases, they seem to have 3 things in common -- they are white, they are female, and they are stereotypically "attractive." When it comes to men, minorities, mentally challenged people, the elderly, all we see is a blurb and a blurry photo. Even if the families fight for publicity and exposure, coverage and public interest are minimum and the search efforts are not even comparable. Notice that this is true for both children and adults. A 40 year old white woman will get more attention than a 8 year old black girl, and certainly an 8 year old Muslim girl or boy. It's true. And by the way, in case you're wondering, I'm white. And I'm female. And I'm not ugly.
My other point is this: To Reuven- What the f&@% are you talking about??? "Sentiment among American "Liberals" these days is that these Jordanian/"Palestianean" people can do no wrong, and any action--no matter how violent--committed by them is good and should be embraced. That's why there's no outrage" ?????
YOU uttered those words. NOBODY feels that way. Not liberals, not "Jordanians," not "Palestinians," nobody. Nobody has EVER said that any action committed by people of the middle east is good and should be embraced. All us "liberals" ever said is that not all actions of Muslims are "evil" or indicative of "terrorism." Not all actions of Muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent need to be feared and defended against. YOU are taking your own words and ideals and trying to attach them to a stereotype you have of "liberals." I have never heard of anyone who feels that "Jordanians" and "Palestinians" should be pardoned for any violent atrocity they commit. Please. Try to be reasonable and then maybe people like you and I will be able to see where the other one is coming from. Until then, there is no point in any discussion at all.
Saifullah-
I completely agree with your comment. This is not a Muslim issue. This is a child abuse and a murder issue. And it happens across the board. It happens in white families, black families, Asian families, Hispanic families... it happens all over the world. Although I'm not too concerned about this woman's right to wear a headscarf during her mugshot, I do wish people wouldn't try to blow this out of proportion and suggest that it implies something about Muslims or Islam. I know a lot of Muslims(yes, Muslims who wear headscarves!)and although I haven't discussed this case with any of them, i highly doubt most of them would be rushing to protect her "right" to wear a headscarf in her mugshot at this point. I also know for a fact that the Muslims who I know don't believe in honor killings, etc. There are SOME Muslims saying that they are angry that she was told to remove her headscarf. There are SOME people who represent Catholicism who say that condoms make the AIDS problem worse- do i agree with that? NO WAY. Do I think that causes harm? YES. I do. You are free to agree or disagree with my opinion. But does my opinion that that interpretation of Catholicism is dangerous and harmful and destructive mean that I have to denounce Catholicism and all Catholic people? Hmm. I don't think so.... but then again many Catholics are white...... and "American"..... so I guess some of you would think that there is no comparison.
Race and religious issues are so much more complicated than looking at one isolated incident and blowing it out of proportion, or even looking at broader issues and labeling them as absolute and tell-all.
Please, let's just see this for what it was- a tragedy and a travesty. We're talking about a sick woman who did something unspeakable that I could never understand or defend in any way. It's not about Muslim extremism, or tenants of Islam. It was one person's sickness and one person's crime that resulted in an innocent child's death. That's really all I can think about it. Given the information and context that we have, anything else is just a stretch.
Sorry. this is my last post. I just wanted to say that although I addressed my last post to Saifullah(whose post I agreed with), it was largely in response to Chris87654 (Whose post I disagreed with) and a few others. So if you think I'm coming out of left field, read his post and you might understand why I felt the need to start ranting about Muslim stereotypes and generalizations.
This is a terrible situation that I have been following very closely. The cases of the other girls, I believe, had tons of media coverage bc they were missing and there was an attempt to find them. Sadly, in this situation the poor child was murdered and the body was presented at the hospital. I find it dispicable that the uncle had nothing to say about the child and launched a fit over the whole hijab issue, his wife had confessed to homocide, his niece was murdered, and all he cares about is the disgrace of the photo not the disgrace of a murderess. Hmmmm....... I don't know what "people" are supposed to do when the family (at least the uncle that appeared on t.v.) only seems to care about the appearence of a murderer, and not the crime itself. I have seen many online articles regarding his lack of compassion which seems to sadly more newsworthy than the murder, but that is essentially a closed case the women confessed and she's due in court at end of the month, so I suppose we will see what happens during the trial. But again, I find it absolutely dispicable that this man is more concerned and has spent more time discussing his wife's clothing than the fact his niece is dead. I'm certain if the situation was different, perhaps if there was a killer at large or the child had been missing the coverage would surely have been different. Unfortunately, the family on the media doesn't seem to care about the loss of life (I have seen her mother, but I hope God will bring her peace during this difficult time)
In jail and then in prison, that woman will wear the uniform the same as everyone else, and it will not involve any scarf of any sort. The problem in a lot of Muslim families is that there is a lot of accepted violence and abuse, as well as a ban on getting help from any outside source. The women are beaten and abused, and so are the kids. The whole thing is a mess. I strongly believe the US MUST stop allowing in any people or groups that do not believe in our laws or our way of life. Abuse of women and children is against our beliefs and against our laws. If you do not believe this and have not practiced it for most of your life, we should not allow you here. Our nation has so many problems by allowing people that do not believe or follow our laws.
Recent stories: an Asian man in California selling his daughter for sex, an Arab man beheading his wife out on the East Coast, thousands of Somali teens from Minnesota going off to be terrorists. These are fact, not fiction. We NEED to clamp down. If a person does not already share our values and laws, we cannot allow them here. Our nation is being destroyed.
This is one world.
Who cares of the murders' religion? It is irrelevant. Psychopathic comes in all religions, any race, any sex. Lets not make our world filled with hatred just because we hear of such news.
It is important to lead by example
I agree, who cares about the girl!! The true outrage is they made the murderer pose for her mug shot without her headscarf!! Mohammed would not be pleased!!
The media is afraid to comment because they will be branded racists and intolerant of their religion.
It is very sad what happened to that poor child. The difference in these cases is that the other 3 children were missing. Naturally the media is going to put those stories first so that those children could possibly be found. Sadly there are children being killed everyday, mostly by someone they know. I think the family members are what keeps their missing loved ones in the headline. Its not race or how cute the kids is. If my child was missing I would keep his face in the media no matter what I had to do. Plus how can us normal people who read the news even know if a child is missing if the reporters arent reporting it? I guess if the reporters arent reporting it than they are the ones to be blamed with the racist crud and such. Caylee and Haleigh were cute but it is the fudged up stories from their relatives that kept them in the headlines. Both families have something to hide and that makes an interesting story.
This is typical behavior for arselifters. America better get used to it.
Obama knows this culture of peace and things will change as the green jobs will allow parents to feed their children not beat them.
islam is as islam does. this is common behavior from the 7th century barbarians.
get an education.
www.thereligionofpeace.com
The media is biased. That has been an on going issue, this is not new news. They cover children who are "cuter". I have seen blurbs more often then not of MISSING kids who were not cute enough, white enough, ect.. to get the coverage a kid like Caylee Anthony gets. Sad and wrong, but not new.
Muslims do these things all the time in their country.When Americans hear of a muslim killing their family , we become more desensitized to it each time because they live that way .They are a violent, abusive, hard living people.
Comments by Lela and other moozlimas reflect the denial that is endemic in izlam. izlam accepts no responsibilty for anything and is in a perpetual state of denial. izlam only blames others, the Infidel, the Christian, the Jewish People. mozlems live in a parallel world. One is the dellusional world of 7th century barbarism and the other, the civilized world of their Infidel enemy, the non-believers. They recognize none of our laws. traditions or customs because in their twisted minds, we are against allah and we are the inferiors.
Welcome to the brave new world of dar al harb and mukwama.
Comments like Joe Kaffir's reflect ignorance which is endemic in people who base their opinions of HUGE groups of people off of stereotypes that have been perpetuated by Fox news and other biased sources. By the way, you spelled ISLAM wrong.
I fill so sorry for this lady that is punished for something that she didn't do. You all take the word of the media and the police that will do and came up with anything just to make some money but the truth is that this lady doesn't even speck english right and 99% of the times she dosn't understand what your saing. Beaten to death come on how come that this little girl is death and not the other ones. This means that she didn't do it, how did she actually die did that came up in the media? No she didn't die because she was beaten to death but because she fell on her head. she is a baby her skul is not fully developed. Everybody knows that. My dad fell and hurted his had and died instantly las month but the sad part is nobody pays atention. I'm not a muslim but i fill that all the media wants to do is make muslim be so bad and so evil. We all have our good sides and the bad ones even christians. All I can say is that I pray that God is going to show that this women didn;t do anything to hurt that baby but love her. I pray that justice will be served for the people that try to blame an inocent victim just for the fact that they want some money. May God bless everyone and what her husband said was right. If your believes tells you to be coverd up and they others tries to make a fool out of you, you will fell the same angry. God bless you all and hope that God will be the one that will bring justice and not the people. Not everyone is a terorist or a murderer eventhough they are muslims. There are good people. God bless them
This did not make the headlines because to accuse a Muslim of doing something as disgusting as this is to leave yourself open to the charge of racism. My question: since when did Muslims become a race?
I am sorry Lory, but I think she is guilty. The girl had bruises all over her body from head to toe. The people who give autopsies are normally not biased. The bruises and injuries that the girl suffered were not consistent with a single fall or single head injury. Although it is true that a single fall and single head injury could kill a person, it's fairly easy for investigators to determine the cause of death in these types of cases. In this case, unfortunately, it seems that it was VERY evident that the girl suffered repeated beating, pinching, and abuse over quite a long period of time (apparently over a 4 day period.)
This is a horrible, disturbing, and very sad case. It's something most people (including me) cannot understand at all. But unfortunately it happens. It happens in ALL races, among people of ALL religions (or people with no religion at all), all over the world. It's NOT a representation of Islam. It's a representation of child abuse. I know because I have family members who work in child welfare. These kind of cases are NOT specific to any certain group of people. It's mental instability that leads someone to so badly abuse and ultimately kill a young child.
Lory, I agree with you that not all Muslims are terrorists or bad people at all. But I don't agree that they are all good people. I don't believe any race or religion has all good or bad people. There are people who do good and bad things in every race, religion, nationality, ethnicity,creed. Unfortunately a lot of people are looking at this case as though it has something to do with Islam. They have heard things about Islam, some totally false, some true, some partially true, some true in some interpretations of Islam, some greatly exaggerated, all that make them afraid of Muslims. These things that people hear make them think that a Muslim woman who abuses and kills her child does so because she is Muslim.
But when a white, Christian, American person kills their child (AND YES IT HAPPENS. DO SOME RESEARCH IF YOU DON'T THINK SO!!!) you don't see a lot of people on these websites ranting about the evils of Christianity and Americanism. Why? Because we as Americans are familiar with Christianity, and we're comfortable with it. We think that if a white person kills a child, they must be sick. They must be crazy. But many of us are just afraid of Islam and think that if a Muslim person kills a child it's because of their faith. That is LARGELY based on ignorance, overblown stereotypes, misunderstandings, and so on and so on. It's fear that breeds hate.
My heart goes out to the mother of this poor child, who trusted the aunt to be a temporary caretaker while she was going through a hard time. The mother of the child was in court crying and being held by family members. She heard about the evidence and said that she doesn't think this was an accident and can't believe her own sister would do such a thing.
I wish no one would ever hurt a child ever again. But since we all know that child abuse has occurred throughout history and will never be completely wiped out, I wish people would see it for what it is and not try to attribute it to a certain race or religion. But I guess, racism and prejudice and xenophobia have existed throughout time too. Too bad, though. It really, really is.
The question is , if orlando police dept wanted the truth and wanted to know if this lady killed the little poor girl, why didn't they make it in a way that respects the religion of this woman? why to humiliate her beliefs and behave in this odd way.. why not to apply the rule innocent until being condemned ? or is that all because she is a Muslim ????
Sam,
It's not Orlando. It's Orland Park which is right by Chicago where I live. I think the police fairly charged her based on the evidence. I don't think this has anything to do with her religion. While I don't think her photo needed to be released to the public, I don't think they targeted her because she was Muslim. There was a lot of evidence that she did this.
Richard, you said "This did not make the headlines because to accuse a Muslim of doing something as disgusting as this is to leave yourself open to the charge of racism." Uhhhh, actually...I think it's because it was an isolated incident similar to those that happen all over the world, within every religion, within every race, withing every nationality, ALL THE TIME. I live in Chicago and this WAS on the news and in the papers here. Is it a national story??? Not really, but this is a Norfolk paper and YOU have all heard about it, so to try to insinuate that people are trying to cover this up so as not to look bad for talking about Muslims seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Again, I really don't think this is a religious or racial issue at all. Just a lot of people from all angels are trying to make it into one. Child abuse happens everywhere. Murder happens everywhere. Personally, I am not feeling too sorry for her having to remove her headscarf. The headscarf would have almost completely covered up her whole face and completely defeated the purpose of a mugshot. Mugshots are commonly released to the public, and while I think they are always humiliating, and don't really know why the public generally needs to see them, (and I understand that because of her religion, this mugshot was particularly humiliating for this woman) I think there are other more important issues involved here.
I just wish people would lay off and quick making this into a political issue. A woman beat up a child. The child died. The woman happened to be Muslim and that has nothing to do with anything.
Debbie- IN RESPONSE TO YOUR MORONIC COMMENT ABOUT HOW MUSLIMS DO THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME IN THEIR COUNTRY (as though Muslims all come from one country....)
Americans ALSO do these things all the time in THIS country. Look up some stats on child abuse and child mortality in the US if you are so ignorant and naive to think that is not true. When Americans hear of Americans killing their family, we block it out because it doesn't fit into the way we so egotistically identify ourselves. Every culture, religion, and race has people who do "violent, abusive, hard living" things.
Get real.
Tammy just so you know there have been several African American families who have a missing child in my area in Chicago, who have pushed, pleaded, and organized, trying to get their cases put into the media so they could help find their child--- To no avail. It just didn't take. They never got the same exposure as a kid like Caylee Anthony, or a woman like Stacy Peterson. I think there IS a bias among the police and media, and probably among the public too.
to Lela, you are right when you say that this happens in other religions, but it happens more an more in the muslim faith than any other. I don't hear christains, jews, buddists, or any other religion conducting " honor " killings? that is and will always be a muslim only fact. the muslim religion is based on violence and hate. that is a fact. mohammed was a pediphile and a twisted individual that sought power through his paranoid psychopathic rantings. if there was a person who claimed what he did today, he would be put away for life or killed,(ie david koresh) your religion is nothing more than hate rantings by one MAN he was not a prophet of god. what other religions "god" spews hate and comdemns killing in the name of their religion? NONE!!!
how sad to have an innocent child's life cut so short. almost as sad is how some of theses pathetic muslims will defend this woman or complain about her having to OBEY the law and show her face for a mug shot! how about learning the laws of this country BEFORE coming over here to live?! and now boys and girls, todays lesson on the world's craziest cult, is " why muslim women have to cover their bodies". flash back to the mid seventh century and imagine ole ham and his dozen wives. approximately half of ham's wives were under 20, and were the "cream of the crop" as far as kidnapped women. ole ham got the best after the muslim army would raid a town. one day ole ham was coming home and noticed several of his young wives were outside the tent, wearing next to nothing, and getting a LOT of attention from passing men. (is that a sword on your pocket or are you looking at my wives). needless to say, ole ham was kinda upset that his wives were responsible for enough wood to build a ship. it JUST SO HAPPENED that within a few hours ole ham got orders from allah that women were to cover themselves! yep, that's how it happened. so to this very day, women all over the muslim world, and mainly in places like saudi arabia, have to endure covering their entire body in 100 degree and above temperatures. and why? because of one jealous, self-centered old man. look out america,, islam is here for you too.
Hey Sam...innocent until proven guilty is true. Special treat NOT. If I am arrested, can I wear sunglasses because the camera's glare may hurt my eyes? Everyone person who is booked is photographed. That is the way the prison system works in this country. It is not based on religion. Unfortunately, if a person wishes only to be governed by the rules of his/her religion, s\he must reside in a state governed by those views. If I go to an Islamic county, I cannot walk around in pants and a shirt with my hair down can I?
Lory...55 bruised did not come from a fall-English speaking or not.
A baby died and all we care about are her beliefs? Give me a break. What a sad and sorry county we live in. I could give 2 rat's azzes about that woman and her beliefs...no more than I would of any other person who was accused of committing a crime. Yahweh, Allah, El, Elohim, El Shaddai..whatever name you call Him is a little less concerned about her hair dress and His child that had been returned to Him by the hands of another.
I'm so tired of reading that this is a Muslim issue, and the coverage or lack thereof is religiously motivated. The husband was the one that mentioned their religion and turned it into some civil liberty spun issue, that is not the case. Over the past week, I've seen headlines of a Priest ran over people after Mass, and a Sunday school teacher on trial for kidnapping and murder, I do not know their names but I know they are clearly Christians. The Orland p.d. left religion on the side (as is the case in our legal system) and her husband decided to turn it into a case against Islam. Get over it, your wife confessed to the crime, granted personally I feel that he was involved somehow I mean how could he NOT know what was going on, its not like the apartments are large he had to have known and did nothing or did something and his wife is covering for him. But that's just what I think. I don't believe that a pious Musliminah would would methodically beat a child and cause her death. So either she is not as pious as her husband claims, or she is innocent and covering for someone else, also not something to be proud of, bc anyway you look at someone killed this innocent baby. And the fact that he and others are focusing on the "shame" of appearing without hijab I think is a mute point when one, as they should be, consider the true shame of murdering a baby.
Thanks Very Sad,
I completely agree with everything you said.
To Mart,
Nice try. But I'm not simple-minded enough to be swayed by your hateful comments.
There's another big case in the media right now. Melissa Huckaby, a Christian Sunday School teacher whose family runs a Christian church, is being accused of murdering an 8 year old neighbor and raping her with a foreign object, then stuffing her in a suitcase and throwing her in a reservoir. The police say she committed these acts inside of the church. Shall we have lengthy arguments about whether this is a religious issue or not???
How many Catholic priests have been found guilty of molesting young children in their congregation??? Is this a religious issue to you?
Ever hear of holy wars?
Ever hear of the Crusades?
But it seems that many people commenting on this article just *love* to point their fingers at Islam as the source of evil and hate, and certainly as the source of this particular crime in Chicago.
People like Mart and Debbie hear how the media slants certain interpretations of Islam, about Islamic extremists (fundamentalists is NOT an accurate term), and about Islamic law, and then they come to snap judgments about a HUGE group of people who are put into a HUGE category of a faith, which, like Christianity, is variable and has many different interpretations. Like any religion, there are multiple interpretations, different levels of belief, different translations of the holy text, and different branches of the religion. NOT all Muslims believe in honor killings. Mart says that Islam spews hate. He is the one spewing hate. What's the point in taking an extremely limited amount of information and trying to use it to label many, many people as being evil or bad? That is simply ignorant. Do you know every Muslim person? Because here in Chicago there are a LOT of Muslims, and I know many. Even among the ones I know, they see their religion in different ways. There are stricter and looser interpretations. There are debates about the meanings of the faith. There are Muslim women here who wear head coverings and there are Muslim women here who do not. I know Muslim women who believe in their faith and have philosophical arguments about modern issues like dating, marriage, head coverings, social situations, etc. They see their faith the same way as many Christians see Christianity- as having a basis in strong values. The Muslim women I know joke and laugh and play around and are friends with other women and with men. They may be immigrants, but they are American. By the way, in case you're wondering, I know them all from school. They take math, nursing, religion, and art classes. They are actually willing to learn about other religions with an open mind and without condemning the people behind those religions. I know a Muslim guy from Algeria who dates one of my friends. I can assure you he doesn't believe in honor killings.
Don't be ignorant. You might think you know everything because you watch Sean Hannity but you don't really know jack.
Please see this for what it is people. A child abuse case. A murder case. In her confession, she said she did it because she was angry that her husband accused her of stealing money. Justifiable? NO WAY. Acceptable? NO WAY. Insane? I think so. Religiously motivated?
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry Lela but I KNOW I know more muslims than you!! I live in Turkey, where 40% of the women here admit to being beaten by their husbands, that is a fact. Honor killings occur here almost daily. Don't try to "teach" me anything, I live in a country where it is 99% muslim, and they persecute those who are not. it is said by the "great" prophet(self proclaimed) that anyone who does not believe in Islam will convert or will be killed, it is written in your Koran,whether you admit it or not. go to religionofpeace.com and read more about your "peaceful" way of life.
and i will end with this, it was not a bunch of fanatic christians who flew planes into buildings and blow themselves up on a regular basis claiming it is "gods" will.
Marty dear, I think everyone gets it, you don't like Muslims or have an issue with Islam, fine. I'm not saying that abuse is not an issue within these families, but sadly it is issue within many families of all or no faith. 9/11 has nothing to the murder of this baby, and by your logic then you should have nothing to worry about since they will all kill their children and there will be no more Muslims. However, when I watch the news I see lots of Muslims and the ones that I know don't abuse their children, but again those are the ones I know which may or may not be different than you experience. I'm not even Muslim but it is a little ridiculous that somehow acts of terrorism are referenced in child abuse case. Which is exactly what the husband wanted to do by mentioning their religion and culture, your rant against Islam should be more focused into a rant about what this horrid family did to an innocent child, this child, not their own children or even Bhia's brother who also lived at the home. Why her? What could a 2 year old do that is so bad someone would beat her to death over 4 days? Not that it is right, but I could more understand (not fully, but it may be easier to digest) if the woman had lost her temper and hit the child on a single occassion. She did not, 4 days, for 4 days she continually beat this child, with not only her hand but foreign objects (wooden spoons, belts, shoes, and bit her). This was a malicious and dilerate attack on this baby.
Peace in Christ
To my friend Marty,
Not all Americans are so quickly sold by the emotional tactics of trying to use 9/11 to scare us and to vilify all Muslims. Like you said, they were "fanatics." I'm glad you used that word because I think that's really the point. Religious fanatics do not and cannot represent a whole religion, and they certainly don't represent all the people within that religion.
"A bunch of fanatics" (a much larger bunch of fanatics) carried out the Holocaust and they weren't Muslim. I use this as an example because it was a MUCH worse, much better organized, and much longer lasting attack against another group than the one here on September 11. And the Nazis' purpose wasn't even to promote one unified religion. It was simply to exonerate another. Why? They just thought Judaism was bad. More accurately, they just thought Jews were bad and inferior. Why? Because that was the thought that was put in their heads by a very authoritative, very sick, very manipulative, very charismatic leader. And they let him put that thought there, and they chose to let his hatred consume them. It wasn't really any core, unified belief that lead to Nazi Germany and the systematic murder of millions of people. It doesn't take holy text to make people group together to do bad things. It basically takes a kind of group insanity, along with the power of persuasion, the power of mass control. Hitler convinced so many people to believe that the Jews were bad and that they just had to go. It wasn't a certain type of person or a certain basis of faith that made the Nazis join together and do unspeakable things. It can't be attributed to some core belief they all shared. It took an outside force that's more complicated and harder to place, and it took a weakness within those people to allow themselves to be consumed by enough hate and fear to do unspeakable things. Yes the Nazis had whiteness in common(although not all of the Nazis even fit into Hitler's idea of the supreme Aryan race- even Hitler didn't really fit into it.)
But it wasn't being white that led them to become Nazis. It wasn't religion. It wasn't even really hate of another religion. It really wasn't any one underlying thing they had in common. It was mass control and fanaticism to an EXTREME.
Fanaticism about ANYTHING can lead to insanity, of course not necessarily on the same level has the Holocaust. But certainly on the level of 9-11. Even on smaller levels. People who are soccer fanatics start riots. Serious riots that end in deaths. A person who was a fanatic of a young American gymnast just traveled across the country to try and kidnap her from Dancing with the Stars. He had loaded guns and masking tape in his car when he was caught. What's my point? It's not a particular religion that drives people to extremes. It's FANATICISM. About ANYTHING. And NOT all Muslims are fanatics.
Religious fanatics take on a nature of their own because religion is so deeply personal to so many people.
"A bunch of religious fanatics" were responsible for the Crusades. Throughout history, holy wars, genocides, and MANY COUNTLESS atrocious acts have been committed in the name of (or in response to) MANY DIFFERENT religions.
The CORE meanings of these religions are similar and mostly positive. The tenants and interpretations are very different. In each religion, there are DIFFERENT interpretations and denominations who also disagree with each other about how their faith should be followed. Because everyone wants to believe their version of their faith is the one true faith, clashes between religions and even within religions will probably never go away.
I looked at your propaganda site and choose not to get my information from a CLEARLY biased source whose only mission is to attack a religion and make all of the people who identify themselves as being part of that religion look scary, bad, and dangerous. Sorry. Not gonna happen. Not about Islam, not about anything. Ever. I am not trying to "teach" you anything. I'm just expressing my opinion that it's wasteful to put all your energy into negativity. YOU will certainly not teach ME anything with a website founded on pure propaganda. If you think that is an unbiased source, you are being dishonest with yourself.
And to clarify, this is not "my" peaceful religion we're discussing. I'm not even trying to defend or explain Islam in any way. I'm just trying to defend people who are being lumped together into a category which I find to be extremely unfair. You say 40% of the Muslim women in Turkey admit that their husbands abuse them. OK fine. MY only point is that I don't think we should be attacking and vilifying women like them based on their faith. THEY are being oppressed and victimized in the name of their faith. And similar statistics could be found within many ethnic groups, socioeconomic groups, neighborhoods, etc. etc. etc. And whether or not you see it or accept it, those are simply NOT the values which all Muslims subscribe to.
I don't subscribe to ANY religion. There are messages, translations, and interpretations of all of the religions I have found that I completely disagree with. There have been people who act "in the name of religion" all over the world and throughout history who do things that harm and destroy others and that I think are terrible. I understand that there are aspects of Islam which are oppressive and sexist. However,I've read MANY different versions of the Bible that say things that I found to be shocking and simply sick. It's the way people choose to interpret faith and the way they choose to act on faith and use faith that makes religion problematic. Although many people would disagree with me, I think many religious leaders use religion as a form of oppression and as a way to keep people "in check."
That said, I have NO IDEA what the point is in trying to vilify everyone who identifies themselves as Muslim, which was the sentiment I was objecting to in these comments in the first place. In THIS country, Muslims are a minority. Most of the Muslims that I know do NOT represent the sordid values that you and the CLEARLY biased website you promote speak of. I don't and never will believe that the root of the problem is a faith or a type of person. The problem is in the way ideas are interpreted and used. The problem is that people are vulnerable and susceptible and there are SOME people who like to control others and use them for their own causes, whatever those causes may be. (Hate, greed, power, and so on and so on and so on.)
Likewise, there is a big problem in the way that people who have commented about this article are using their time, energy, and information-- to attack people and spread hate around. I don't see the point in that at all.
THIS child abuse and murder case is CLEARLY not about Islam. It was clearly an angry and deeply troubled person who committed this crime. If you can't see that, I really just think it's sad that you have so much hate toward a religion that you think that anyone who identifies themselves as a part of that religion is somehow consumed with hate. Can't you even see that YOU are consumed with hate?
I understand your objections to certain tenants and aspects of Islam, however I don't think it's worthwhile to rip apart everything that is in the qu'ran or everything that has been done in the name of Islam, because there are things in the Bible and there are things that have been done in the name of Christianity that are just as bad. I understand your objections to the way people act in the name of religion and to the way religion can be used to oppress people or to harm people. But that has nothing to do with a woman in Chicago who beat up and killed her niece because she was angry with her husband. That's a mental illness issue. Not a religious issue. You need to work out your own issues dude.
I'm going to avoid writing/reading any more comments on here because I see it's a waste of time. Some people would just rather harbor and spread hate than consider the possibility that the world is more complicated than good versus bad.
That said, I don't have any ill feelings toward you Marty. I just think you are wasting your time and energy on negativity when you could be putting it toward something positive.
Islam has nothing to do with the little girl death. Real Muslims knows that is not right to beat up a child. Islam said that beating is not the right thing to do . beating doesn’t teach kids anything except to grow up and be violent. Its true that some Arabic beat their kids, but its not just Arab. a lot of non Arab do that, don’t just say Arab do that because you don’t like them. I know and saw a lot of people who is non Arabic or Muslim beat their kids outside(not in the house). If a kid did something bad you should talk to him/her. You should tell them what’s right from wrong. Teach them to do the right thing. Beating them up doesn’t teach them anything except hating you forever. And by the way, kids is kids, they don’t understand anything, b/c they are new in this horrible world. And hey people who have a problem with Muslims. You need to get a life, for real. Just deal with them just like they deal with Jews and non Muslims around them. And also know them before judging them. They are bad Muslims and good Muslims just like there are good non Muslims and bad non Muslims. Look around you before saying anything. a lot of people kill others. So don’t just say Muslim just do it b/c you don’t like them. And one day you will kill somebody and people will do the same as you did now and write the same thing. And you will remember don’t forget that. As they say what’s go around it will come around.
It is really sad that this had to happen but what is worse is how the media covers it. They do not even bother with the girl being killed. They merely state it and then emphasis on what the husband had said about the headscarf.
What is more disgusting is people who enjoy blasting another religion. If you do not like how these "Muslims" are acting, then why do you have to be worse and speak badly of them? Why not just do your part of being a better person?
People rave about other's actions without even knowing what happened. It's all third-party never direct. AND no one looks at their own actions...how disgusting they are.
No...let's point our fingers at Muslim...Dude before 9/11 Muslims and Islam were not that popular in the news.....the funny thing is, Islam has never changed. It's not like after 9/11 Islam changed. The ones that have changed are the followers.
Think about one thing...who are those people in jail? What religion do they follow?
Muslims do NOT make up even 10% of them. But when one thing happens, it is exploded. Media...such a powerful thing.
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