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In a Santa Ana, California Federal Court today, Judge David Carter put off ruling on President Obama’s birth certificate. At the end of the two-hour hearing there was no ruling on the Motion to Dismiss or the plaintiff’s bid to grant discovery leaving only a glimmer of hope this case will move forward.
The plaintiff’s and their supporters were understandably disappointed. “The powers that be must have got to the judge,” says Neil Turner, who attended the hearing. “It’s just more of the same.”
Judge Carter cited the need to sort out all the complex legal issues and consider all the arguments carefully before he was prepared to render his decision.
The plaintiff’s attorney, Gary Kreep, argued the case does not involve impeachment because they claim Obama has entered into office unlawfully which should make this ruling easier.
The court is now in recess until the Judge Carter makes his decision. The case could take 24-hours to 24 months to come to a conclusion.
Today’s lack of finality has sent some birthers to seek their justice in a criminal court room. “We are not going away and will not stop until we have the truth,” Turner finished.
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Looks like Judge Carter got cold feet. I attended the Sept. 8th hearing and he clearly said he would be getting to the bottom of this controversy. Today he backed away from that stance. Hope he stands strong against the attacks from the "Obama is the King of the World" camp.
The bottom of the controversy is that is complete crap, a total farce, which will be dismissed in short order, as it should be. I do not have my original birth certificate from New York City - does that mean I wasn't born there? My kids do not have the long form birth certificates, only a few short form copiues (with raised seals) -- does that mean they weren't born in the US??
If Barack Obama were white, this would not be happening. Birthers need to take a long hard look in the mirror and learn to accept the fac that Obaba is President, and probably will continue to be President for another 7 years and 3 months.
Is this garbage even newsworthy?
MT From CC...you haven't spent over a million dollars of someone elses money to keep people from seeing your birth certificate either? Is he just doing it for fun?
This is NOT a race issue and I am sick of DEMOCRATS constantly saying anyone who questions anything about Obama is racist. YOU are the ONLY ones saying anything about race. Besides, there are a LOT of Democrats who also question things about Obama, including his Constitutional eligibility. The SIMPLE fact is that Obama is keeping his long form birth certificate and college records sealed for a reason. After all, he who has nothing to hide, hides nothing.... especially if it costs hundreds of thousands or even a million plus dollars to hide it. Anyone who claims these questions about Obama are racist or ridiculous is clearly either uninformed, a die hard Democrat who is unwilling to even question someone from that party, or is too ignorant to understand this entire issue. It's such BS that people who only question Obama's eligibility are crazy, yet people who say it's a fact that he's eligible, without any proof to backup that statement, are taken seriously. God help us.......
Taitz is insane and a terrible attorney. Her evidence is flimsier than Obama's official state-issued birth certificate she refuses to accept. My certified copy of live birth does not name the hospital I was born at or my physician. I guess that means I was not really born in the United States?
It's pretty funny that birthers are willing to believe some crazy Russian woman and her criminal witnesses over Hawaii's republican governor and other officials who have sworn to seeing the birth certificate. Hurry up and dismiss, Carter, so Taitz can file a crazy motion to have you recuse yourself (the same one she's filed against the other 2 judges).
DebunkerHill (1st blogger) is misdirecting the issue. Obama's sister had the same COLB and she was born in Indonesian. We want to see his original long form...that's it. Everything else is sidestepping the issue. Why has the Usurper paid over ONE MILLION dollars to prevent its release??????????
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Oh because we are racist....please, what a weak answer!
Liberalism is a mental disorder and that's a fact,,,research it!!
It's impossible to talk truth to a libtard,,,I quit wasting my time trying,,there too stupid to grasp the truth!!!!
"It's such BS that people who only question Obama's eligibility are crazy, yet people who say it's a fact that he's eligible, without any proof to backup that statement, are taken seriously"
That's because proof that he's eligible is fairly easy to get hold of, to the point where those who still question his eligibility in the face of that proof are either willfully ignorant or just don't want to accept it... or, yes, crazy.
There's no longer a long form to get. The short form is all you get, and all that you should require. As for his college transcripts and other educational records, why do you think you have a right to even LOOK at any of that? Is it really any of your business how he did in Kindergarden?
I hate the illegal alien NOBAMA, and Manchelle,,they make me puke,,I hate Crazy Eyes Piglosi, I hate socialism, Communism, the new world order, I'm a hardcore racist and PROUD OF IT!!!!
LIBERALISM IS DEFINATELY A MENTAL DISORDER, FACT!!!
These dumbass liberal retards that voted for this illegal alien Usurper actually believe that Sarah Palin is the Vice President,,
that's liberalism in a nutshell!!!
MAJOR MENTAL ISSUES, Liberals average I.Q. is 62, I rest my case!
I attended the Sept. 8th and had the same impression, Obummer. The judge gave every impression he intended to move forward with the case in Sept., saying 96-99% of the time, motions to dismiss are rejected. Now, it sounds as if Judge Carter's tune has changed and his willingness to determine Obama's eligibility is waning.
I'm praying Judge Carter will rule justly ... in accordance with his oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution.
Usurper Nobambi and Manchelle will be removed in 2 months,,,
I can't wait to see this Illegal Alien, Arab Muslim, 50% white, 44% Arab, 6% Blackturd removed from our White House in handcuffs by his own Secret Service detail!! Do they make a fumigation tent big enough to cover the White House? If not, we better get one made, cause we're gonna need it soon.....
As a 'white' registered nurse, I was required to submit my long form birth certificate, a copy of my social security card, my high school and college transcript, proof of immunizations, proof of negative tests for communicable disease, and after employment I am required to undergo periodic drug testing.
In an entire nursing career, I might be entrusted with the lives of thousands, but our President is daily entrusted with millions. Should he not be required to submit the same or more documentation?
Now you may have seen a document displayed at FactCheck.org, claiming it is a “CERTIFICATE”. Birth certificates are, or in 1961 where, the first and original form document used to record a live birth. FactCheck.org, is displaying a “CERTIFICATION”, that contains sparse data which has been transcribed from the original certificate. BTW -- The CERTIFICATION displayed on FactCheck, may be on file with the Registrar, but it has NOT yet been ACCEPTED BY THE REGISTRAR, possibly because it is being AMENDED.
The “half-truth” is that FactCheck.org, did in fact handle a real and genuine document called a CERTIFICATION, but the other half of the truth is they never saw nor touched a birth CERTIFICATE.
See
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/factcheck-org-correction-2/#comments
I allege Barack Obama fails to meet the constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizen, since only one of his parents was a US citizen.
What is always funny about birthers is that they make up facts, that is disjoint from reality.
Constitutional eligibility for president and vice-president has 4 requirements. Age, residency, and place of birth. The fourth is obvious, to be elected to that position. That is it, anything more is meaningless.
By the Hawaiian birth certificate, two birther announcement, verification by officials in Hawaii, and independently authenticate the place of birth surpasses the "place of birth" requirement. This is because the only thing that is required in a birth certificate.
God doesn't help those who hide behind their prejudices, lie, or play ignorant to the truth. Well, not my God anyways.
Here is an example of a birthers distortion of the facts "Obama's sister ... was born in Indonesian." Where a sibling was born has no relationship to where a individual was born, unless they were born same time.
Another example "Why has the ... (pay) over ONE MILLION dollars to prevent its release?" The monetary amount can be disputed. However, where it is a person or a company their would be finical cost relating to court case. Anyways, the pertinent information has been released.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder and that's a fact,,,research it!!" In no ways, supports birthers claims.
And "registered nurse, ... required to submit ... high school and college transcript, proof of immunizations," Yes, it is understandable that a nurse would have to produce various transcripts, because of the competition. However, the president is chosen by an election. The president can be a high school drop out, as long as they meet the constitution requirements.
Finally, people like to claim that birthers position is all about a disagreement about with the president's policies. However, from reading Tim on October 5, 8:09 PM what has been said about some of their real contempt is true. Tim however doesn't express the views of all birthers, but just one too many.
Hehe suckers I paids thee judus offf withs yo taexxs moneey..Usse gun toting bible thumpppers ant getting mes out
Why has Obama given TWO DIFFERENT hospitals as being the ONE he was born in?? (he originally claimed it was Queens until Kapi'olani received a letter from him with congrats on their anniversary, stating he was born there - which is what Maya claimed earlier) The long form should clear it up. McCain showed his, why won't Obama?
Percy Sutton (civil rights activist & Malcolm X lawyer) stated that Khalid al Mansour told him that he'd funded Obama prior to Harvard and asked him to recommend O to friends at Harvard. Khalid also mentioned O'd met the "requirements" to become President of the Law Review?? Google the video of Percy...O's team claim Percy was confused. (just like Obama claims IG Walpin was confused after firing him.) Google O's gaffes to see who's confused - 57 states?
If you choose to believe a man that has done very little BUT lie(Rezko, ACORN, Wright, Auchi, Alsammarae, etc)-fine, but stop trying to label those that don't as racist idiots. There are valid questions.
Ah, the internet, bringing out the collective idiocy, illiteracy, bigotry, and general lack of intelligent debate as it always does.
"Liberalism is a disease": If this is true, so is Conservativism. And if you actually researched, you'd see that liberals are more middle of the scale than socialist or libritarians.
"Certification not Certificate": numerous employees of the state of Hawai'i have debunked the idiocy of this argument. Read up and quit closing your eyes.
"Judge is bought": then so are hundreds of people all the way back to the time of Obama's birth, when they published birth stories through the state hospital, etc, etc.
I find it hard to believe you people actually believe the junk you spew...then remember this is the internet.
Anonymous + audience = jerk (censors...)
How can anyone not question why, when faced with the publicity around this issue, one would not simply release the documents requested. Obama's reluctance to do so just adds more fuel to the fire. One does not pay lawyers to fight release of documents if one has nothing to hide. THAT IS JUST COMMOM SENSE
Now you may have seen a document displayed at FactCheck.org, claiming it is a “CERTIFICATE”. Birth certificates are, or in 1961 where, the first and original form document used to record a live birth. FactCheck.org, is displaying a “CERTIFICATION”, that contains sparse data which has been transcribed from the original certificate. BTW -- The CERTIFICATION displayed on FactCheck, may be on file with the Registrar, but it has NOT yet been ACCEPTED BY THE REGISTRAR, possibly because it is being AMENDED.
The “half-truth” is that FactCheck.org, did in fact handle a real and genuine document called a CERTIFICATION, but the other half of the truth is they never saw nor touched a birth CERTIFICATE.
See
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/factcheck-org-correction-2/#comments
I allege Barack Obama fails to meet the constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizen, since only one of his parents was a US citizen.
"Judge Carter cited the need to sort out all the complex legal issues and consider all the arguments carefully before he was prepared to render his decision"
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In other words, Judge Carter needs time to out do Judge land’s epic smackdown.
If they could get this on Cable TV it would be an instant hit.
J. Edward Tremlett is one of two things:
1: Completely obsessed with the birther issue because he is on every Obama Birth blog on the net.
2: Working for the Obama camp of misinformation.
Don't be fooled by bloggers using the term "birther". Most likely they are far more a part of the organized anti birther movement than not. Otherwise, the are blind to the facts of the issue.
HI. must release the long form Birth Certificate now because the short form has been made public and the information from which that short form came, must also me made public. Come on Fukino, Lingle. Wash your hands of this mess. Thanks
I voted for Obama and I agree with most of his policies, however, I have looked into the Obama birth issue and I am quite amazed at journalist not covering or misinforming the public on this. Obama should just release his original Birth cert, and journalist should be honest about this issue. Even Obama supporters are concerned about be lied to.
This definitely takes a "Real American" to clearly understand and boldly state that anyone who denies the singularly patriotic view that he eschews is...outside of being at least a malignant Democrat,is likely to fall prey to the lazy minded approach of objective evaluations! Yes, God help us. "Real Americans" would never condemn ethically bereft notions of slurs, political witch hunts or character assassination if it increased their power base! All is fair...a standing president might be no more than a deep mole! Which means that the Real American's strict paternal righteousness will not quiver nor change. He must be there for those fooled by a simpleton's reality, one who deals with useless intellectual approaches such as historical perspective, common sense, concrete length or lack of evidential persuasions and again...that crippling objectivity. Let's all be thankful our opinions are expressible and approachable. As Americans, and what we may aspire that all might enjoy.
Remember God is in everything. Just as He led the children of Israel to a dead end at the Red Sea, we look to be near a dead end. God always has a way out and OUR ENEMIES WE WILL SEE NO MORE. God is not just looking to get Barack Obama out of office, but all the anti-God forces that have agreed to hide his identity and support his policies. Be encouraged; God will prove Himself and many will be saved. Trust God.
In the meantime fight against his policies that could endanger us or take away our freedoms. Calling on the president for repentance in love and peace is our great weapon. We have the internet that we can send peaceful sollution out on... through blogs and news comments. God has not left us defenceless. See divine-way .com. God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.
Focus People...
The issue in this case is actually not his birth certificate v. certification, or even the definition and proof of Natural Born. This case is: Did the CA Secretary of State properly do his job in investigating and evaluating a candidate's ballot eligibility, and if not, were the opposing candidates harmed by the SOS' failure to properly perform his duties. What is the remedy if a fraud has been committed by a candidate? Does the event of the election void those claims {"ha ha, I got away with it"}?
Did the SOS accept an obama affidavit without requiring the documentary evidence, even when an opposing candidate made a formal compliant to the SOS office that Obama was not qualified to be on the ballot?
There are significant legal and constitutional issues that need to be addressed; this court and this case seem entirely appropriate to answer these questions. To dismiss the case would leave a corruption loophole that undermines the integrity of the election proc
Before the Judge dismisses the case, he should assume in his first analysis that obama DID commit a fraud (would still need to be proven via discovery and testimony). Then, assuming a fraud was committed, he can address the constitutional and remedy issues.
Assuming fraud, for analysis purposes, because it MIGHT be proven, allows the right questions to be asked. Standing does not seem to be at issue here, and harm also seems to be self-evident and provable in a variety of ways so I'll jump past those to the deeper stuff.
Can a candidate use the courts to force a SOS to do their job, or, is the only remedy to have the voters remove the SOS at the next election (or recall, or removal from office by the Legislature). The corollary situation would be if a properly qualified candidate was improperly left off the ballot - what remedy, after the election.
If the SOS was derelict, is the unqualified candidate's election void?
If the SOS failed to properly qualify a candidate
Now you may have seen a document displayed at FactCheck.org, claiming it is a “CERTIFICATE”. Birth certificates are, or in 1961 where, the first and original form document used to record a live birth. FactCheck.org, is displaying a “CERTIFICATION”, that contains sparse data which has been transcribed from the original certificate. BTW -- The CERTIFICATION displayed on FactCheck, may be on file with the Registrar, but it has NOT yet been ACCEPTED BY THE REGISTRAR, possibly because it is being AMENDED.
The “half-truth” is that FactCheck.org, did in fact handle a real and genuine document called a CERTIFICATION, but the other half of the truth is they never saw nor touched a birth CERTIFICATE.
See
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/factcheck-org-correction-2/#comments
I allege Barack Obama fails to meet the constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizen, since only one of his parents was a US citizen.
If the SOS failed to properly qualify a candidate, and he is constitutionally unqualified to be President, can the Courts make such a judgement and void the election, or is the Court limited to finding that CA election laws were violated and refer criminal charges, leaving the actual impeachment process with Congress?
This case begins with the obligations and responsibilities of the SOS, who is responsible for enforcing election law, and the rights of opposing candidates, rather than specific evidence or definition of Natural Born qualifications.
Does wanting to understand these important constitutional questions in order to protect the integrity of the election process make me a racist?
FOCUS PEOPLE!
Ask the derogatory distractors: If obama was beaten by a candidate unqualified to be on the ballot, would you accept the "too late, sucker" defense? That's the obama defense: 1) the SOS is not required to uphold the law and 2) even if there was fraud, the election makes it
add "OK".
as in "2) even if there was fraud, the election makes it OK".
Is there no case law about what is to be done when they catch a cheater after the election? Is a court prohibited from investigating election fraud after an election? That would be an absurd situation.
I still think that obama should at least be found guilty of criminal election fraud (if provable) even if the only way to remove him from office is Congressional impeachment. Why would the Court avoid looking at potential criminal activities just because one of the remedies might not be in the Judge's reach. If there is sufficient potential that a crime has been committed (or not properly investigated by the state authorities) then the public interest demands that there be a proper investigation. obama will not be harmed by an investigation; the opposing candidate (and our Republic) WILL be harmed by a failure to enforce election law.
obama is being reckless and irresponsible by forcing a constitutional
If the SOS failed to properly qualify a candidate, and he is constitutionally unqualified to be President, can the Courts make such a judgement and void the election, or is the Court limited to finding that CA election laws were violated and refer criminal charges, leaving the actual impeachment process with Congress?
This case begins with the obligations and responsibilities of the SOS, who is responsible for enforcing election law, and the rights of opposing candidates, rather than specific evidence or definition of Natural Born qualifications.
Does wanting to understand these important constitutional questions in order to protect the integrity of the election process make me a racist?
FOCUS PEOPLE!
Ask the derogatory distractors: If obama was beaten by a candidate unqualified to be on the ballot, would you accept the "too late, sucker" defense? That's the obama defense: 1) the SOS is not required to uphold the law and 2) even if there was fraud, the election makes it
Before the Judge dismisses the case, he should assume in his first analysis that obama DID commit a fraud (would still need to be proven via discovery and testimony). Then, assuming a fraud was committed, he can address the constitutional and remedy issues.
Assuming fraud, for analysis purposes, because it MIGHT be proven, allows the right questions to be asked. Standing does not seem to be at issue here, and harm also seems to be self-evident and provable in a variety of ways so I'll jump past those to the deeper stuff.
Can a candidate use the courts to force a SOS to do their job, or, is the only remedy to have the voters remove the SOS at the next election (or recall, or removal from office by the Legislature). The corollary situation would be if a properly qualified candidate was improperly left off the ballot - what remedy, after the election.
If the SOS was derelict, is the unqualified candidate's election void?
If the SOS failed to properly qualify a candidate
Focus People...
The issue in this case is actually not his birth certificate v. certification, or even the definition and proof of Natural Born. This case is: Did the CA Secretary of State properly do his job in investigating and evaluating a candidate's ballot eligibility, and if not, were the opposing candidates harmed by the SOS' failure to properly perform his duties. What is the remedy if a fraud has been committed by a candidate? Does the event of the election void those claims {"ha ha, I got away with it"}?
Did the SOS accept an obama affidavit without requiring the documentary evidence, even when an opposing candidate made a formal compliant to the SOS office that Obama was not qualified to be on the ballot?
There are significant legal and constitutional issues that need to be addressed; this court and this case seem entirely appropriate to answer these questions. To dismiss the case would leave a corruption loophole that undermines the integrity of the election proc
WEST: look up the difference between "Certification and Certificate." And show me where even one state of Hawaii employee has "debunked the birther argument." They have carefully avoided making a definitive statement.
ANTHONY: You make my point for me. Obama should comply with the constitution as I complied with the law. And just as I submitted documents to "prove" my eligibility to take a test to license me to hold the lives of a few thousand patients in my hands over an entire lifetime, shouldn't Obama submit documents to "prove" his eligibility to hold the lives of millions in his hands every day?
– the republic itself. But “Dr.” Taitz may be the only “ineligible” player in her little farce.
Although Taitz is a member of the California Bar, she’s not listed as a member of the American Bar Association (check for yourself). Nor is her “law school” (William Howard Taft University) accredited by the ABA. Because Taft is a distance-learning school only, Taitz’s degree entitles her, at most, to practice in California, as her school candidly admits.
Rules of attorney discipline forbid the practice of law without a license – i.e., without sitting for and passing the bar exam, after graduating from an ABA-accredited school. Her correspondence degree is a limited exception, only useful in California. So, any action in which she appeared as counsel of record outside the state would constitute practicing law without a license, in violation of California disciplinary rules. Has “Dr.” Taitz violated this rule? Does her appearance before the Supreme Court, in filing documents for the fri
I strongly suspect Judge Carter, like Judge Land, is looking for a way to put a permanent stake through the heart of this insanity without simply adding to the conspiracy memes.
Unfortunately, they will find the moonbats will grab anything and twist it to fit their needs.
But Orly's latest stunt in Georgia may finally push it over the edge - expect a contempt citation SOON!
The eligibility movement keeps growing.
It is time to end this charade of pretending there is no problem here. The jig is up.
Recent discussions with Dr. Fukino has yielded significant new information that casts new doubts on the legitimacy of the COLB posted online:
missticklyDOTwordpressDOTcom/2009/10/04/our-worst-nightmare-confirmed/
THE KEY: ‘FILED by Local Registrar’ vs. ‘ACCEPTED by State Registrar’
What bull-pucky, Capital G. Someone replaced an old stamp with a new one and you think it's significant?
If it was "filed" it was "accepted" - otherwise, how the heck did they file it if they didn't accept it first? And if it's in a file marked "accepted" (to show the date) - obviously it was accepted and then filed - in the file where it is located.
And a twit-blogger arguing the Nevada standards negate Hawaii's standards is the height of moonbat-ness.
The truth will come out eventually. Many people will have egg on their face, some may even be prosecuted for with-holding evidence. If Obama is not qualified and there are people that know this and the proof comes out, these people need to be held accountable. Biden and Pelosi both, I believe signed election docs. that state Obama meets the qualifications outlined by the constitution. Judges who dismiss the challenges and discovery reveals the truth have to be removed from their position. This is such a simple situation to resolve, the obvious conclusion, even a six year old could conclude, if you have your hands behind your back your are hiding something. Liberals do not have the logical thought processes to understand this. Why hide the truth, that is, unless it is a lie, then it all makes sense. Judge Carter has to be intelligent enough to understand this, or is he?
Trial moving forward...
Trial is moving forward...
See: loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/10/judge-confirms-eligibility-trial-to.html#
This is going to be interesting. This whole thing could be over if the President would just produce his birth certificate. What are they hiding?
Rather than moonbat blogs, let's see what the OC Register has to say:
Gary Kreep, who along with Mission Viejo’s Orly Taitz is representing the plaintiffs, said the nature of Carter’s questions to attorneys on both sides lessened his confidence that the judge would allow the case to go to trial.
Carter did not say when he expected to issue a decision. Kreep said he thought Carter would issue a decision later this week. Similar lawsuits have been thrown out of at least two other federal courts.
Key to the defense motion for dismissal was the argument that the U.S. Constitution provides only Congress and the Electoral College with the authority to remove a sitting president from office.
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This insanity only plays into the hands of the Obama supporters by discrediting ANY criticism of his policies.
Mom is American. Dad is not. Therefore is NOT a "natural born" citizen. There is no question about this. Quit focusing on the birth certificate and focus on his parentage. Natural birth requires BOTH parents be American citizens.
You are simply flat wrong, Max - not the law now, wasn't the law when he was born.
Looks like the folks at DOJ are caught. The government is paying bloggers to support Obama and it is definitely an improper use of our tax monies. If Obama was TRULY a "natural born citizen", the DOJ would not be paying bloggers to say he is. Search "Obama justice department's secret blogging team".
Just face the facts, Obama LIED and HE WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.
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