(AP Photo/Tom Strickland) Beth Charbode, Indianapolis
The Health Care bill (HR 3200) currently being debated in the House of Representatives is over 1000 pages. The Democrat leadership pushed very hard to pass this legislation before people could read it, very much as they did with the "Stimulus" package (which has not worked as of yet, and has released less than 9% of the funds it went so far into debt to procure as unemployment continues to rise). Given the lack of positive effect with the last couple of bills - the House used this tactic on TARP, Stimulus, and Cap and Tax , Americans are and indeed should be very skeptical about this current legislative attempt with HR 3200.
Thanks to Blue Dog Democrats who oppose the bill on fiscal grounds, the bill has been delayed, giving America the chance to find out just what is in it. Below is what is in it. It is not only abhorrent in its eventual cost - up into the trillions of dollars over 10 years according to the Congressional Budget Office which has released not one but two reports stating that this bill will not save a dime and is more likely to cost over 1000 Billion, in other words, over a trillion between 2010 and 2019 - but requires that the states give up some of their sovereign rights. Because of the precedent this would set, it may end up costing them all of their sovereign rights.
Beyond all of this, the bill attacks personal liberties and choice and is nothing short of Nazi-like in it's inhumanity. If nothing else, it is the soft tyranny of "we must help our fellow Americans who are less fortunate". Giving up our freedom of choice in our health care is NOT going to help those less fortunate, it will indeed make health care a lot worse for everyone overall. Other than those wealthy enough to be able to go overseas for their health care, but given that the current American system of health care is the best in the world, the main reason Canadians and British citizens come here for treatment, it is hard to speculate just where they would go. It is one thing to try to fix something that is broken, it is quite another to go and deliberately break it. That deliberate action is exactly what the House of Representatives, President Obama, and the Senate are trying to do, and it is insanity.
Given that this bill comes from a Political party that espouses to be doing this for the good of the middle class American, it seems more accurately, when one knows what is IN the bill to be more aligned to controlling a population, giving medical care to illegal immigrants, and deliberately out to shorten the lifespan of the disabled and the elderly in order to lower the costs of the plan.
This is an abomination. Or should I say an Obamination? This "health care" package is a horribly bad idea. If the Democrats really wanted to lower the cost of health care they would go after tort reform and lower medical costs over night in the order of hundreds of billions of dollars. Overnight, with out a single other change. Instead they want to educate your parents in dying sooner. You make the call, here is what is in it by page and section number.
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From EconomicPolicyJournal.com, Peter Fleckstein:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL NON US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs. (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Health care!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels 4 Plans. AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 B w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Dr's, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Dr's. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
PG 801 Sec 1751 The Govt will decide which Health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc required. to register. Gov’t takes over private payment sys.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Govt will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Govt Sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Gov’t will impose a fee on ALL private health ins. plans incl. self insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by Gov’t for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Gov’t will design & implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids & families expect kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program. includes Gov’t coming into your house & telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Gov’t will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s Billion.
Pg 865 The Gov’t will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where Dr's. perform mandatory HC for 2yrs for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The govt takes over the education of our Med students and Dr's.
PG 898 The Govt will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public health workforce corps shall consist of officers of Regular & Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians. WHAT???
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular & Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The Govt will develop, build & run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Govt starts a HC affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Govt MANDATES Cultural & linguistic competency training for HC professionals.
Pg 932 The Govt will establish Preventative & Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000- almost 31Billion $.
PG 935 21-22 Govt will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities.
PG 936 Govt will develop “Healthy People & National Public Health Perform. Standards” Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More Gov’t? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOV’T core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems; health info sys, etc
PG 993 Gov’t will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance, they will be indoctrinated into the government system.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment.
PG 1001 The Govt will establish a National Medical Device Registry.
Comments
Dianna,
"the bill attacks personal liberties and choice and is nothing short of Nazi-like in it's inhumanity"
Once you compare something to the Nazi's you lose. Game over. Party foul. FAIL.
While the Democrats offer real change Republicans continue to be the party of "no".
Those 50 million Americans without insurance and the countless others being robbed by the insurance companies have no sympathy for your libertarian, wingnut drivel.
Attacking the messenger doesn't change the facts of the bill. It's easy to throw stones but it doesn't add to the discussion or enlighten anyone. This is eugenics, rationing and a dispicable attempt to ram through reforms that are ill-conceived and in many cases just agenda driven reforms. We need to change the delivery methods of healthcare, but this bill is a horrible mash. The reforms should be thought out, discussed, and not simply voted upon. A change of this magnitude needs months of discussion.
"Once you compare something to the Nazi's you lose. Game over. Party foul. FAIL."
Wrong. Much as you wish it were the case, you cant possibly dismiss the entire article just because the author used the word "nazi" in it, and just once at that.
"While the Democrats offer real change Republicans continue to be the party of "no"."
What they are constantly saying "no" to is tyranny. It makes sense to be the “Party of NO” when “NO” is the right answer.
"Those 50 million Americans without insurance"
Phony baloney number long since exposed as a hoax. And even if it were true, its still not an excuse, nor give ther government the right to violate the constitution and stick its nose where it doesnt belong.
Olivia
Well, I suppose that tells us all how you feel about your parents being told that they can't get health Care because they are too old.
I suppose that tells us that you don't care for the handicapped and disabled. That they are undeserving of health care because they can not work.
Wow, talk about compassion being the lead driving force in the democrat party... the lack of compassion perhaps is more accurate.
By the way Olivia, this is exactly what the Nazi's did. Almost to the letter.
You better read what is IN this thing my friend... if you do, youtoo will see that this is NOT even close to a good idea. Not in this form, not under these conditions.
Not to mention because of the state sovereignty issue, some states will refuse to participate, and that will create a constitutional showdown you can't even imagine yet.
This bill is an absolute OUTRAGE! This isn't healthcare, this is state control over our lives! Even state control over whether we live or die.
I think I will be contacting my state representative (and I use the word representative loosely) once again.
I never saw I'd see something similar to the Holocast happening to American Citizens. This bill will do it. It is an outrage!
Thanks so much for helping to get the word out.
If you want my full analysis of the HC Bill,it's free, you can go here:
blog dot flecksoflife dot com
Thanks!
If you wingnuts were not serious you would be comical (actually you guys are still very funny). Nevertheless, your scare tactics and melodramatics are way over the top.
The sky is not falling, chicken little. Health care reform will be a good thing for this country. You poor wingnuts have been duped by big pharma and the insurance companies.
Feeble minds make for easy targets.
Thanks for the posting this information. Unreal what Congress (Pelosi and Reid) are doing. www.blogginnoggin.com
YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM?
USE YOUR VOTING POWER TO CONTACT YOUR POLITICIANS AT 202-224-3121 Believe it! Your voices are having a crucial effect.? Support for the bi-partisan SAVE Act, which will expand E-Verify and protect American Workers! We must focus on the cornerstone to this major problem-the jobs that attract illegal aliens. It would phase in a requirement for every employer to use the electronic E-Verify system. We must also be aware that the Democrats are ready to open the gates to our nation, once a path to citizenship is announced. GOOGLE--the facts at NUMBERSUSA, AMERICANPATROL
Update: one of the authoritative Capitol Hill publications suggests that the Hispanic Caucus is quite pleased with the way the current House health plan will provide coverage for illegal aliens. YES! To government health care for Americans. Definitely NO! Free health care for those here illegally?
Parts of the Health Care bill HR3200
It's a real shame our country will sell out our Constitutional freedoms to a health care plan that only enables our government into the most private area of our lives, our bodies. Real reform would be to get the people working at wages sufficent to pay for health care and governing insurance companies not to discriminate or terminate because of loss of job or an illness. We have a free/pro-rated clinic here in my city that provides the same health care I receive from my own doctor, so what's the problem? We already pay in taxes to medi-care-medi-cade and Social Security, which is broke, why should we trust bureaucracy to develope and maintain a health system. Our taxes already go to provisions for thos 4% uninsured. The government does not handle money well, especially our tax money. I don't want my health issues being examined by any party other than myself and doctor, certainly not a board of people who don't know me nor I want them to know me!
Peter! Thank you!
I got the sourcing right! :)
Olivia: Oh, yes, the sky will fall if we don't stop this madness disguised as reform. The drive behind this legislation is not to insure the poor, but to reduce healthcare costs. The most efficient way to do this would be to reduce the "defective" population (old, handicapped, etc.) In this scheme, your life will not worth one more cent than that of any melodramatic right "wing-nut." Should you be determined to be a "useless eater," due to disease or trauma, you too will be scheduled for "end-of-life" counseling. That would also apply to your children/grandchildren/significant others. Any choice to be made will be out of your hands and in the almighty power of whatever government we are enslaved by. Read the particulars of this bill and tell me it dosn't sound like some sort of "massa-slave arrangement."
There are no "50" million without insurance.
Check your facts - most are uninsured by choice, many by the fact that they're illegal aliens, and millions more are being counted despite the fact that they're merely between coverages.
There is no crisis to justify this fascistic bid for control of America.
This is a power-grab, nothing more.
One other question:
Since when has the government EVER done ANYTHING cheaper, more efficiently, and/or more effectively than the private sector?
Case-in-point:
the U.S. Postal Service is supported by taxpayer money, so why the hell do taxpayers still have to PAY POSTAGE?
HB3200 MUST be stopped.
This isn't health care reform, it is Socialism. The end of our constitutional rights....
"The cost of (medical malpractice) suits comes to less than one-half of 1 percent of health-care spending". In addition, states like Texas have significant caps in place without corresponding significant decrease in costs.
Look at slate.com article titled "the medical malpractice myth" for supporting study and details.
"Since when has the government EVER done ANYTHING cheaper, more efficiently, and/or more effectively than the private sector?"
Here is one relevant example:
Avg Medicare admin overhead =<6%; avg private healthcare insurance admin overhead = >20%.
Claim from above:
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL NON US citizens, illegal or otherwise
From the bill:
SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.
(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.
My interpretation:
The section says nothing about HC for non citizens or illegals but says that you can not discrimate based on race, color, creed or national origin or sexual orientation. The right can't argue against this based on the facts so they just make stuff up. Sad times for America and the truth.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Please actually read page 8 and see the term "shared cost" you moron. Page 29 states the maximum YOU will have to pay per year not what the insurance company will pay. Instead of reading idiots like this why don't you people actually READ THE BILL!
And when you claim "Nazi" why don't you back it up with facts. I don't see anything about gas chambers or ovens in the bill.
That's "Democratic." Using the wrong modifier doesn't help you forward your political agenda. It just makes you look stupid.
This bill spells soicalization of Health Care
System including Doctors, Nurses ect. How can the American Public be so blind after reading this bill, it is a government take over. I am for health reform but not run by the government. May God help us, we are a country that is taking the wrong road, our freedom of choice is compromised by this bill.
This plan is like picking up a turd by the clean end.
@gov't cheaper:
Where do you get your "facts" on the admin overhead?
For that matter, IF your "facts" are true, WHY would private be so much more?
Might it be the costs of "compliance" with all the government intrusion?
Take an economics class.
And a civics class.
@tortreform:
The government TELLS doctors, hospitals, and other providers how much they will be paid, disregarding THEIR costs for everything from bandaids to paying the power bill to the wages for the janitor.
Where do they make up the difference, so that they can keep the lights on and the floors clean?
From PRIVATE PAYER INSURANCE.
Now, can you venture a guess as to WHY insurance costs so much?
@steve:
Where does the government get money from - other than hocking our children into the dirt by borrowing jillions from the Chinese?
They TAKE it from TAXPAYERS LIKE US!
THERE is your "shared cost", sparky....
NOTHING is "free" in this world.
As for reading the bill, try that little part where private insurance companies will not be allowed to write any new policies after the first of the year the bill becomes effective.
In short, killing private insurance by attrition.
Try some common sense, eh?
And while you're at it, look up the definition of "fascism".
It is an ACCURATE description of the sharp left turn the current Administration is enacting.
Just ask the FORMER CEO of GM.
@rtay:
You wrote, "My interpretation:
The section says nothing about HC for non citizens or illegals but says that you can not discrimate based on race, color, creed or national origin or sexual orientation. The right can't argue against this based on the facts so they just make stuff up. Sad times for America and the truth."
Regarding HC for illegal aliens and that "national origin" thingy...do you actually READ what you write, or just copy it from the kos?
@tortreform:
The real cost of NOT having tort reform is the outrageous costs of malpractice insurance, paid by INDIVIDUAL doctors and hospitals.
Unlike the gummint, they can't just print more money - they use that quaint old notion of "earning" their money - so they have to raise their prices to cover the cost.
"Loser pays" is the best first step toward REALLY lowering HC costs.
Lawyers like you should be held liable for the frivilous suits you file - particularly the shysters with the "will sue for $$$" TV commercials......
every political person is corupt and taking money from other corupt people get rid of them all and get a new prez that is all about the people not this jackass who does nothing but spend money and blame it on everyone else my 8 year old daughter could do that
Olivia you are right on point on this one. If you don't think this bill is moving us closer to fazism,look closer. Gov't control of your personal information, Gov't control of who gets paid what, etc. Our founder wanted smaller Gov't and the several states to control their own destiny. Can you say good by Bill of Rights. Don't let these progressives have the last word!
It is a pity, allof this at one time which is geared to confussion. At this same time all is focused on bills, monies and no monies. I feel something is going on from underneath, all of thease events in Wash, DC to keep what is brewing down below, from surfacing until the goverment appointed time.
I say everyday we must in unity Pray before God to have mercy upon us all. and to forgive us for our many sins. I am determined some people still don't believe there is a "GOD"
obarker2@yahoo.com e-mail.
Where can I get a copy of HR 3200 on my e-mail. So far I only get parts to read. I want to read the whole HR3200 bill. All 1000+ pages
Ollie Barker
I think we all better look to the skys because our world is getting in bad shape,and god want let things go on much longer the way they are going
I am so glad this was posted listing three pages of objections and horrific things that will happen if this bill becomes law. The reason for my joy is that I actually went to the bill and checked out what was said verses what the article said the bill said.. and now more than ever I have proof positive Republicans are hateful, untrustworthy liars. The writer has just thrown a bunch of lies on paper with the intention of scaring people with distortions and half truths. Typical Republican policy! Check out the part about what is on page 425 and compare what is actually in the bill with what this insurance company shill says is there and you begin to see what it is going on. LIARS..Let see them end Medicare or Social Security if they dont like government programs....
@nameravet:
You've been reading the kos, haven't you?
Congress ANNOUNCED that they were changing/deleting that part LAST FRIDAY.
So, who's the shill?
Even if the plan proposed were FREE to all American people - I would still have to question...If the plan is soooo good, then WHY have ALL the Congressmen, Senators, and President, exempted THEMSELVES from it?
Be aware that although the bill was posted in June or July, they are still making modifications to it...the end of life counseling was supposedly "pulled" from the plan. Arent' you glad America actually got to READ it?? Imagine if Obama and his cronies had succeeded in sliding this one through like they did the "stimulus".
The water of the mind,
how clear it is!
Gazing at it,
the boundaries are invisible.
But as soon as even
a slight thought arises,
ten thousand images crowd it.
Attach to them,
and they become real.
Be carried by them,
and it will be difficult to return.
How painful to see a person
trapped in the ten-fold delusions.
- Ryokan
This is a 39 year old military student supposedly. Enough with the lies and just accept the fact that one day or another we are all going to need healthcare when we are at our lowest point. Would you, or better yet would you like to see your only child refused care because a lack of health insurance coverage? I did not think so. So read the bill, understand the bill, (just because you can read, does not mean you should interpret the bill) and move on. Because one way or another, whether it is now or 10 years from now, we will heave Universal Healthcare. And stop watching T.V. and start reading. Do not rely on other people's interpretation of the facts.(or lies for that matter)
I think that all bills should be posted on the internet for 72 hours and a vote by the american voters . set up controls to verify that a person is a regestered voter then they can vote that way the people we elect can see the will of the people before they cast there vote . we allready have this in other online votes . but i think that the vote count should not be made public untill after voting is over. this will be an easy way for us to have a say
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