I wrote an article a couple of days ago about the purposeful crashing of the lunar orbiter into the moon, so that scientists could observe the debris. I asked if those scientists had respected the moon and communicated with her before doing this.
I must say, I was surprised at the intensity and character of the comments that were left at that article. I felt like I was being stoned at the hands of a mob. I suppose that I can be grateful that it was a mob on the internet this time, rather than encountering them in my physical body!
I did enjoy one comment from someone who called me a lunatic. It was a clever use of words. The connotation of words is symbolic of how we hold ideas. The very negative nature of the word shows the contempt that we as a culture hold for the moon. People who are especially tuned in to the moon are called lunatics! Yes, I'm a lunatic, and I enjoy being one.
In the article, I neglected to mention one crucial bit of information. It is such a part of my attitudes toward living that I forgot that most people don't think that way. In traditional and indigenous societies, such as the Native Americans, all things are considered to have a spirit -- the animals, the trees, and even the rocks. Many of the comments said things like "the moon is just a rock, it can't feel". These comments illustrate the very separation from nature that I was talking about. Could it be that part of the malaise that we have in this world today is a result of this attitude of separation? If we as a collective understood that we are not separate then perhaps we would have an earth that is healthy and functioning, rather than one that is breaking down under the strain of human impact.
Many people asked how to ask a question of the moon. It is an intuitive process, requiring a quieting of the usual mind chatter. Focusing upon the breath is the simplest way to do that. Once the mind is quieted, you simply connect with the moon and ask the question. You might be surprised at what answers you get when you do a process like this! Often they are ones that you don’t even expect.
Others spoke of how the size of the crater formed is so small that it wouldn't make a difference. I can see how they could believe that. But perhaps it is the intention that is important. The act of crashing the orbiter may not make a difference on the gross level. But assuming that the moon is inanimate and ours to be dominated might make a difference in the subtle realms.
I am not against accumulating knowledge. Perhaps the information gathered will be useful and important. I am merely pointing out that a respect for all things would create a very different energy on this earth, and it is possible to accumulate knowledge with respect.
It may be that some people did not notice that I am an astrologer, not an astronomer. Astrology is an intuitive art, an attempt to use the patterns of the planets and the archetypal energies that they embody to explain the mysteries of life itself. It may not make sense on a purely rational level, but it explains more than anything else I have found. Life is not just cut and dried facts, and there is much that science cannot explain. There is much that astrology cannot explain either. Perhaps we could just accept that no one approach has all the answers, and that there is richness in diverse viewpoints.
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The only thing you'll be communicating with, via the process you describe, is more of your own mind. There is no evidence, not one single reason to believe, that there any spirits or souls or animating energies anywhere in the vast universe around us. And astrology is an "intuitive art" in the same sense that work-at-home scams are. Science may not have "all the answers", but at least it's a system for finding some of them. Your drivel is incapable of finding any.
Well, I INTUITIVELY FEEL that these Native American beliefs are wrong, and I INTUITIVELY FEEL that the Moon is actually a representation of masculinity. How dare you question my intuitive beliefs.
You keep using the word energy, I do not think it means what you think it means.
"It may be that some people did not notice that I am an astrologer, not an astronomer."
No, trust me, there is not one single reader of your article that was in any way whatsoever of the opinion that you had anything remotely approaching the intelligence necessary to attain a degree in any academic field whatsoever (and being a practitioner of quack scams like chiroquacty doesn't count in even the remotest way as an academic field).
One unexpected answer:
"One time, I saw a man looking at me, yes, with his eyes... and then, he picked up a tube, and he look in the tube... and he made the moon big inside the tube. The moon big inside a tube! Ehehe... oh, telescope."
"You see, that is why you do not ask the moon."
Which does make me wonder why all these spirits are so wise and intelligent. Is there no variation, or is it simply a Planet of the Hats construction where spirits by their very nature are wise and lacking in any distinct personality?
Another question: Does the rocket not have a body that's injured as it hits the unyielding grey rock of the moon? Or does metal not have a spirit?
Seriously, though, I think the spirits are either very useless or very unreal.
I once tried to quiet my mind to ask the moon what it wanted. For some reason, it wanted me to remember that I needed to get some milk at the store and that I forgot to do something for work.
It's amazing how listening to the moon was almost exactly like listening to my own thoughts. Who knew the moon was so much like me and so focused on how important _I_ am?
Don't worry, we knew you were an astrologer. An astronomer actually has to know what he or she is talking about.
I once opened my mind and asked the moon how I could impress a girl. Big mistake.
In Japanese traditional religion, the Moon is not a goddess, not female, not feminine; it is a male divinity. In the Japanese tradition, the Sun is the female deity, a spendid goddess, and the Moon is its consort. For you to assume that the Japanese, even in the matter of scientific exploration, should conform to your cultural biases and preconceptions, not to mention your pseudospiritual pretentions, is crude and vulgar and does nothing but reveal your ignorance.
Hello, again Satya. This is the Moon.
Do we really have to keep doing this?
I told those ugly bags of mostly-water years ago that it was fine to crash your gnat-sized satellite of love into me years ago, when JAXA was planning this mission, and you're STILL going on about this?
Anyway, since this keeps happening, I finally had to tell my lawyer about this, and he told me to take out a restraining order against you for harassment, so here I am.
You are hereby ordered to no longer attempt to communicate with me in any fashion, be it verbally, by telepathy, divination, entheogenic revelation, or in any other fashion.
Really, dear, it's grown quite tiresome. You need to move on with your life now, as I have done. There are other natural satellites in the sky, and other (pre)occupations. You were always so credulous, but I feel it's taking a toll on your sanity.
Go on now, and be a genuine and contributing member of society and do something useful.
Best regards,
Se
"Did these scientists talk to the moon? Tell her what they were doing? Ask her permission? Show her respect?" No but I did get it really drunk and slipped it a roofie and posted the resulting video on YouTube. My name is Neal Armstrong.
BTW you can talk to a giant rock but if it answers back you need help.
Contempt for the moon?
Lady, you are no different than a young earth creationist. You have chosen a belief system that feels good, with no regard for reality. Unfortunately you are not alone.
Space Cadet Satya, you'd better head down to the Cape now wearing your best protest Birkenstocks. NASA is about to launch LRO/LCROSS in the next week or so, which will be further callously defiling your celestial sweetheart.
woman, you need some serious treatment
"In traditional and indigenous societies, such as the Native Americans, all things are considered to have a spirit -- the animals, the trees, and even the rocks."
Again, you're imposing your own beliefs on cultures and peoples that you evidently know little about. Sure, these people have these beiefs - but they also know that these are ONLY beliefs and that the real world is not the same as the spirit world. They know that a rock can be just a rock; when they stub their toe on one, they don't blame the rock's spirit.
Oh Christ, here we go again! Lady, do you live in a house built out of wood? Brick? Stone? Concrete? before you moved in, did you ask the wood how it felt about being chopped down? Oh God... never mind... you probably did. You're not a lunatic, so don't worry about that, and I apologize on behalf of those that said that. No, you're not a lunatic. You're bat-shit insane.
One more thing... NASA is set to launch a mission to probe the twin moons of Uranus. i hope you're okay with that?
First, let's be clear here. I have no contempt for the moon, I do have contempt for you. Rocks, animals, even people don't have a spirit no matter what some long dead aboriginal says. Nothing against the long dead aboriginals, they were doing the best they can with what they had. We've learned since then and it's amazing to me that idiots like you are so blind to the beauty of the universe around us that you cling to ancient beliefs.
The fact that you have a public forum disgusts me to my very core. You distract innocent people who may be looking for some answers about the universe from the true magnificence of science and all we've learned. Astrology isn't an art, it's nothing but idiotic, uninformed, superstition. Everything you believe is wrong. Your entire world view is demonstrably incorrect. Your life is a waste and you are doing nothing but harm with every article you write. You are conning people out of their hard earned money every time you charge for your service
I feel saddened and disheartened that throughout your entire ill-informed tirade, you not ONCE even considered the 'spirit' of the valiant orbiter that impacted the Lunar surface. It did it's job, and did it splendidly, and all you consider it to is a lump to be complained about.
Even in your own quite ridiculous belief system you are a hypocrite.
The Earth is most certainly not breaking down. It might become uninhabitable for us, but the earth will still be around long after we are gone. Anthropomorphizing objects like celestial bodies is both vain and useless. Oh and by the way, there are indigenous people in the world who don't assert the existence of "spirits." Go look up the Piraha. You are selling snake oil, and someone needs to put a stop to it.
It's always entertaining to behold those who regard their "intuitions" as anything more than their own narcissistic whims, but it is sad that some young impressionable minds will inevitably follow suit. Oh well, with 6 billion self-aware brains on this Earth, we cannot expect all to contribute something meaningful to the sum of human existance.
You have humbled us with your pointing out of the rudeness of our ways. We will now immediately begin a product to run a copper tube from the Earth to the moon so that we can channel and amplify the moon's messages to us.
(Go to web site oldsoulwakeupcalls dot com and read "Priestess in the Hardware Store" to see the origin of this mocking. You'll also learn that hurricanes form because the Earth is angry and that global warming can be stopped by post-menopausal women telepathically communicating with fungal rhizomes.)
You need to be removed from Examiners as it is doubtful you will leave voluntarily even after being 'boom-zoomed to the moon' everything fifteen seconds for days. You are unable to recognize what a detriment you are to this site and a discredit to the other authors who produce informed and useful information.
Lady, your inability to grasp basic math and physics does not equate to every object in the universe having a soul. Unlike early native tribes, you live in a time where science resources are right at your fingertips... yet you still choose to believe in fairy tales to make up for the holes in your understanding of how things work. This tells me that not only are you uneducated, but you are too lazy to even learn.
There is also no "richness" in a viewpoint that spreads ignorance and robs people of their money.
Honestly... you can talk to the moon just by relaxing and opening your mind? Sounds like the garbage that I used to believe when I was a teen aged girl back during the "explore every new age religion" phase that all my friends and I went through at one point or another. Quite foolish to think about how we were immaturely trying to understand our world back then... even more foolish how you, a grown woman still clings to such childish delusions of grandeur.
Good God...readers enough is enough!!! Your attacks are unbelievably vicious.
Hi Satya...I'm the SF Spiritual Examiner and I'm loving reading the whole deal over here with this Orbiter crash...I love your original insights on the moon, I couldn't agree more...must be a reason you ended up with a name that's sanskrit for 'truth', no? And I was impressed how well you handled this level of craziness from the readers. Believe me, I've experienced some of it myself when I write something incendiary and crazy like gays are human beings who deserve to be married too. So, thank you for your insights and your aplomb in handling all this. I'm a new fan.
If no one's paid attention, the moon is covered with craters. That's because other objects crash into the moon on a regular basis - meteorites, asteroids, comets, other rocks, various bits of rock floating through the cosmos. So seriously, how is this any different?
When the object that struck the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs hit, did anyone bother to ask the poor Earth's permission first? For shame.
Seriously - this isn't about your character lady, it's about your profound and willful ignorance. Find something else to write about, and keep the woo-woo new age crystal worshipping over there and away from anything remotely, you know - real?
Tosha, supporting gay rights is a completely different thing from talking to the moon. One is logical; the other is embarrassing.
Everyone, I think the best thing we can do is not come back to this site, including any sister or parent sites.
Oh, look, Tosha the Moonbat has chimed in to offer her support to Space Cadet Satya.
"must be a reason you ended up with a name that's sanskrit for 'truth', no?"
Yes, she changed it from "Ann".
"Believe me, I've experienced some of it myself when I write something incendiary and crazy like gays are human beings who deserve to be married too."
This is called 'poisoning the well', by attempting to paint criticism of her in a false negative light. I suspect that most of the comments here are laughing at Satya's shaky grasp on reality, and hopefully apply rationality equally in other areas of their life. There is no rational, secular reason why gays shouldn't have the same rights as heterosexuals when it comes to marriage, so I doubt you'd find much disagreement on that point.
"So, thank you for your insights and your aplomb in handling all this. I'm a new fan."
Hooray, the Sisterhood of Irrationality bands together to support each other in pulling nonsense out of thin ai
Oh Satya, there are so many comments written here!
Honestly and sincerely, each comment here is a gift. Each individual has communicated with you, and given you their honest reaction.
There is nothing negative nor positive about these comments... they are just the direct reaction that regular people respond with. We have our integrity. We have our honest thoughts.
The responses are not here to hurt you. You don't HAVE to interpret these comments as being an attack on you, at all. Instead of throwing rocks at you, we honestly are throwing you flowers and seeds. We are inviting you to look around, at your community, and hear what we think.
It's not about correctness or positivity or being judgemental. By sharing everyone's thoughts, we can see each other better, and really acknowledge how differing philosophies mingle.
Respect us. Hear us. These comments are our honest reactions. Take any attitude or path you like, but this is what we ourselves think.
Hey, whaddabout me!? Whaddabout my big bro' the Jupiter man? No one asked me how I feel about all these damn probes and rovers drilling me! No one asked 'ol Jupie over there when they decided to nuke him with that galileo thing a few years ago! For the record, Jupie did say that is was the biggest thrill since Saturn decided to B-slap him with Shoemaker-Levy because she caught him flirting with Uranus.
My intuitive processes tell me that the moon is in fact a large mass of mostly silicate rock, and that attempts to attribute human characteristics (let alone the characteristics of a specific human gender) to it are in fact unbelievably self centered. When I quiet my mind and focus on my breath, i see that the vast cosmos both more beautiful and more foreign than anything the inventors of astrology ever imagined...
Say, what you want, Chris Green, I AM throwing bloody rocks at her and damn well will continue! She never talked to ME about writing commented article, never told me what she'd been doing, never asked my permission, never sowed me respect and now I feel INSULTED!
Now, die!, he said keeping throwing objects small as grain of sand compared to a thypical metheorite.
Fun thing about reality is that it doesn't care one bit about "intuitive perception" or whatever.
Geez, "Satya", you've got a persecution complex worse than any evangelical fundamentalist.
You said something stupid. People made fun of you for it. If you don't want to be made fun of, stop saying stupid things. Whining just makes you look even dumber.
Hey everyone, look into her background a bit. She's a pure nutter. Did the news paper even look into her background?
oldsoulwakeups.gaia.com
There's her profile. She's touched in the head.
Science actually knows a lot, enough to know that there are actually several moons, with different orbits to the 'Normal' eliptical ones. Astrology on the otherhand has provided us with nothing of use, and a lot of BS, well apart from one of many targets for skeptics to vent their spleens.
Science isnt seperate from nature, it understands it, it knows far more about nature than any vaguly spiritual belief does, did or will know. If, as you say, astrology explains more than you have ever found, read a book. Start with any childrens book on education. Its easy enough to grasp, and will explain a damnsite more than astrology can.
And yes, it was plainly obvious you were not an astronomer. The words SF Astrology examiner on the site gave us a good clue to that.
"If we as a collective understood that we are not separate ..."
You are right, we are a bound collective sharing experience in this world. That's why in our discourse we need reference to the truth of REALITY and REASON, not subjective "intuition" or prediction by examining the entrails of a chicken.
Your intuition is another person's insanity. You may think the moon has feelings, I may think it is made of cheese. The only thing we can agree on is OBSERVABLE VERIFIABLE FACTS and conclusions based on COMMON REASON AND LOGIC.
So let's stick to the facts and keep your intuition and twaddle-speak to yourself.
The moon is a large rocky mass, like many other in the solar system. It is not a living thing. It doesn't have organic feelings. The Kaguya impact is insignificant to the moon but contributes to our understanding of the Universe.
Sats, I think what peeps were annoyed about is you were talking a load of rubbish. If you fail to see that and fail to show contrition there is no hope for you.
Intuition is a fine thing but you were talking rubbish. Can you not see that girl?
Insane people never doubt their own sanity.
My intuition often tells me, "when you are in a hole, stop digging!"
But that's just me.
Intuition is not Irrational, they are two different notions.
Anthropomorphising inanimate objects is not Intuition, it's Irrational.
Truth is Reality based, not Intuition based.
Relying on Intuition will make you fall foul of Reality which has a tendance to surprise us.
your still a dingbat lady crazy as fook
well you certainly put more thought into this than your last effort. that doesn't absolve you thogh. i am heartened to see so many comments because it tells me that the world is full of people who actually care enough to sit down and take time to respond to the stupid around them on the net.
Disappointing in every respect. You seem to have heard the criticism but you still haven't understood.
You said, "but perhaps it is the intention that is important" and then go on to talk of domination (of the moon by mankind). Just how do you get that idea? It's a non-sequitur. The intention of the Kaguya project is to learn and aid Science.
Domination? This is something fixed in your own mind. I wonder why.
Very little of what you write makes any sense. For example, you say that the negative use of the word "lunatic" shows how our culture holds the moon in contempt. No it doesn't- any more than the term "mad as a hatter" shows we hate people that make hats.
Whereas some people may have contempt for lifeless objects (computers, tin-openers) I've never known anyone who holds the moon in contempt. Have you really?
What a fool you are.
how do you "tune in" to the moon then? do you have some special ability or knowledge that we don't?
you are just too arrogant for words
as someone said already the best thing to do is boycot this website
Oh I did notice you were an astrologer satya. I agree there is richness in diverse *viewpoints* but you seem to be talking about a reality that I don't recognise. There is no richness in the viewpoint that cats are secret aliens, sticking a candle in your ear cures cancer or that the moon is a sentient being with whom it is possible to have a conversation no matter how "intuitively" you go about it. You do a disservice to the genuinely useful capacity that people have for intuition by confusing it with narcisism and fakery.
By quieting the mind and focusing on the breath Satya claims it is possible to tune into the moon ask questions and get answers.
Is it any wonder people think she is completely bonkers (no i don't hate people that bonk, being one myself)
The only thing you will tune into is your own overactive imagination. get real but first please go away
'In traditional and indigenous societies, such as the Native Americans, all things are considered to have a spirit -- the animals, the trees, and even the rocks.'
Yes. They used to believe that. They were all completely and demonstrably wrong. Nowadays, unlike yourself, they understand the difference between 'literal' and 'metaphoric'. Hope that helps.
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