Update: After seeing Examiner readers' response to the following article, Dr. John B. Alexander has agreed to grant an exclusive interview to answer questions from you. For more information, be sure to read, “Exclusive: Dr. John B. Alexander to answer questions about UFOs and disclosure.”
If there's one word in ufology that suffers more than its fair share of use it's 'disclosure.' But Dr. John B. Alexander, last night's guest on Coast to Coast AM Radio, says fuhgeddaboudit. The government has been disclosing information all along, lo these many years, and you're still not happy. You don't really want disclosure. You want confirmation. And that, my friend, just ain't gonna happen.
Dr. John B. Alexander, author of “UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities,” is a former Special Forces commander and Army Intelligence officer, worked on non-lethal weapon research at Los Alamos National Labs and has been around long enough to not only remember Roswell but to know many of the people involved in the incident. He admits, right off the bat, that what he has to say is going to tick off just about everybody who listens to Coast to Coast.
Alexander starts off by saying that yes, UFOs are real. Not he BELIEVES they're real. He says they are real. Period. They're just not what you think they are.
He goes on to say that there is absolutely no government coverup involved and it's easy enough to believe him when you look at it from his point of view. Alexander states, and most will agree, that the people of the United States have very little faith in the members of their government. We don't believe anything any of them say and we think they're all just a bunch of incompetent, high-paid monkeys.
Yet, because we're so eager to believe in extraterrestrial life, we're willing to overlook the fact that our government is in the hands of a bunch of baboons and, as it regards aliens and UFOs, we give all of them enough credit to be smart enough to completely hoodwink the entire population of the United States of America.
During the course of his research, Alexander found that 7% to 10% of the population have actually seen UFOs and this holds true for government agencies as well. In fact, he found a ton of hard, physical evidence that points to their very existence. Basically every single monitoring and tracking system we have at our disposal, including space sensors, will register UFO activity.
While still serving in the Army, Alexander was commissioned to 'find out what's going on' with UFO activity. He found himself asking where one might go to find out more about UFO sightings and who might have some of this 'secret' information.
He turned first to a colleague, Ben Rich, head of Lockheed Skunk Works. Skunk Works was the name given, in 1943, to the Army's first jet fighter project.
Rich said he definitely had an interest in UFOs but had no first-hand information himself – no recovered UFO parts, no secret memos, nothing. The Skunk Works program was a defense program, concentrating on defending the United States against German jet threats and, as such, had no involvement in UFO investigations that might have been going on at the time.
Next, Alexander turned to Burt Rutan, a giant in the aerospace industry. Rutan was the first to circumnavigate the world, non-stop and without refueling, with Voyager. He most recently won the X Prize for being the first civilian agency to put a man into space twice with a reusable craft.
Rutan admitted that he was very interested in UFOs himself. He'd even had a sighting. But he had no knowledge of any research being conducted, clandestine or otherwise.
Next stop, Dr. Teller, inventor of the hydrogen bomb. If the events at Roswell really did occur as rumored, and if it was true that only 5 people knew what really happened, then Teller would be one of them.
Again, interested but no information.
Alexander said he got this same response from every agency he visited – FBI, CIA, DOD, DIA, NORAD, NSA, DID, SID – all said they were interested, some even admitted seeing a UFO themselves, but no one had any hard, fast evidence or information.
But Alexander says all of these agencies have one thing in common. They were all created to defend the people of the United States against the threat of human invaders. If a UFO were deemed a threat to national security, then certainly they would have investigated. But only to the extent needed to determine the level of the threat and how to counteract. Since nearly all UFO sightings are either peaceful or too wacky to even be considered legitimate, there has been no reason for these agencies to investigate their appearance. It doesn't matter to them what they are, where they came from or who is sitting at the wheel as long as they don't try to attack the U.S.
Alexander says most of the agencies he contacted did keep some sort of records when UFOs were reported but there was no set regulation requiring them to do so, nor were they required to pass the information up the line. Consequently, there's no real consistent record keeping.
But here's the real kicker. When asked why there have been no official statements from the White House, statements disclosing all the facts and research that have accumulated over the years, Alexander says the government has been disclosing information all along.
The idea that there are 'special access programs' which insinuates that the President of the United States is being kept in the dark, is ludicrous, says Alexander. He says it absolutely boggles the mind that this one secret has been held for decades yet everything else in Washington leaks. Everything that's supposed to be kept secret comes out but this? Not a chance.
Alexander brings to our attention that United States presidents have been disclosing for years. Truman saw a UFO, Carter saw a UFO, Reagan saw a UFO. And they've publicly stated they saw these objects.
He also states that it's not illegal, in any way, for any member of a government or military organization to go public with information about aliens and UFOs. Yes, because of peer pressure it may tarnish their reputation, but it's not illegal.
According to Alexander, the vast majority of the information is already out there. The problem with the UFO community is that they're not looking for disclosure. They're looking for confirmation and if it doesn't fit their preconceived notion of reality then they assume there must be a conspiracy.
Think about it. One person sees a triangular shaped ship, a mile wide, and another sees a saucer. The next sees bouncing orbs of light and someone else sees a multi-colored gyroscope. Someone sees Greys, someone else sees Reptilians. Everyone has a preconceived notion of who or what is visiting us, if they're even visiting at all, and if the government doesn't come right out and confirm it we think they're lying to us.
Alexander says that undoubtedly, something crashed at Roswell, it was not a weather balloon and there are highly credible witnesses to the event. However, he believes you can explain everything that happened there without the introduction of UFOs.
Alexander references an episode of UFO Hunters where Bill Birnes meets with 2 witnesses who actually handled some of the 'material' that was recovered from the Roswell crash. A series of different materials were layed out and the witnesses were asked if any of those materials resembled what was found in the crash. They both said yes and they both selected the same piece of material.
The material behaved exactly as the material from the crash was reported to have behaved – when crumpled it returned to it's original state, it was impervious to heat, etc. Yet this material, unknown to the witnesses, was of man-made origin. It was the same material used to make the balloons for Project Mogul, a top secret project that the US Army was working on that involved microphones being flown on high altitude balloons.
Alexander believes the Air Force really botched the investigation but it's not really their fault. As most everyone said back then, “It was a different time.” Everyone was very concerned about national security, attacks from the Soviet Union, and national survival. Aliens and UFOs were the furthest thing from everyone's mind.
Which is also why, according to Alexander, UFOs and aliens are not high priority today. We have major problems to worry about these days – global terrorism, the ever-worsening financial crisis, the health care crisis.
According to Alexander's research there are 3 groups of people – a small group, intently interested in UFOs, a somewhat larger group of people who are only slightly interested, and then the greater part of humanity, those who have other, more pressing issues on their mind.
Alexander does not believe there's a controlling organization that's taken charge of the investigation or a cover up. He says the UFO crowd likes to point out legislation that makes it illegal NOT to report unidentified flying objects but most people misunderstand the law. It really says we must report anything 'that's a threat to the United States' – NOT just any weird thing you see.
Again, Alexander does believe there's something out there but that 95% of these sightings have some type of logical explanation. And he conceded that we're left with a certain amount of cases that, no matter how hard you try to explain them, they just don't go away.
One of the reasons we have such a difficult time with disclosure and confirmation is because there are so many different belief systems involved. Alexander says that 70% of the public believe in various kinds of phenomenon. When you speak to professors about UFOs you'll find that 50% of them believe. Out of scientists surveyed, 15% believe. And when you get to the scientists at the National Academy of Scientists, only 4% believe in extraterrestrial phenomenon. The belief systems of the general public and the scientists are so different that it's impossible to even discuss it between the two.
So what does Alexander think of all of these sightings? What are they? Where do they come from? Why are they here?
Alexander says we're not asking the right questions yet. We need to be asking – What is a UFO? Is it a ball of light, an aircraft more than a mile wide or everything in between? There are so many different types of sightings and observations that to try to pin it down and say that these are little green men just stopping by while they were in the neighborhood doesn't fit all the different observations.
George Knapp suggested that maybe it's some type of manipulation of consciousness and we have no idea what they look like or what their spaceship looks like, or even where they come from.
We do know one thing, says Alexander. A number of these objects that are UFOs have been recorded using multi-sensory data, so that means alien-ness is NOT just in the eyes of the beholder.
When Goerge asked Alexander if the situation is solvable or if it's just meant to be a learning curve, taking us down a path, Alexander replied with his “Alexander's Laws of Appropriate Complexity:
"In life, wherever you are, you're presented with a number of challenges. And just as you get to where you figure out how you're going to handle all those challenges, a whole new order of complexity emerges.”
Dr. John B. Alexander is the author of “UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities,” available at Amazon.com.
Update: After seeing Examiner readers' response to the above article, Dr. John B. Alexander has agreed to grant an exclusive interview to answer questions from you. For more information, be sure to read, “Exclusive: Dr. John B. Alexander to answer questions about UFOs and disclosure.”
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Comments
Great article!
Thanks, Anonymous! Come back again anytime! :)
I like his theory of how a whole new order of complexity emerges so thats why i have read this story and have not gained any usefull information at all
ROFL! Sorry Anonymous. I'll try to dumb it down a little next time LOL
"We need to be asking – What is a UFO?" .. lol what is an "unidentified" flying object?...
Yes, Anonymous. Is it really extraterrestrial? Is it a weapon? A weather balloon? Etc? Too many people think that just because they can't identify something up there in the sky that means it's from 'outerspace' and the aliens are coming. As Alexander says, his research has shown that 95% of the supposed unidentified flying objects actually have a plausible explanation.
Excellent interview, George Knapp rocks, he is the only real host on Coast, I always enjoy hearing from Col. John B. Alexander..
Hi Shirley
Yeah, it was a great interview! And Alexander had the whole 4 hours. George Knapp was really ON!
Great job on this article. Several NASA clips on YouTube present compelling evidence that we have visitors. However, I completely agree with Alexander that the there is no possibility that Uncle Sam could have kept this whole Roswell/Area 51 business a successful secret for 60 years. Too many people, too many years.
Hi Dave,
Thanks. Glad you liked it. I spent a couple of hours wading through YouTube videos looking for the one that Alexander mentioned and I finally just gave up. :)
Alexander does have some very compelling arguments. I might have to buy that book so I can get 'the rest of the story' as they say.
I think Edgar Mitchell is a lot more credible than this guy. Not that he didn't have some good things to say, but I think Edgar MItchell's statement that the government is covering up evidence holds more water than this dude.
It was a good read either way. Thanks.
Hi Ruteger,
I don't think I've ever heard Mitchell speak anywhere. I just looked at Amazon, though, and he's got a couple of books that look like they'd be pretty good reads. LOL If I keep this up, I'm going to have to ask Santa for an Amazon card this year!
I like where this guy is going with UFO dialogue. Thanks for the reporting. - Roger Marsh, National UFO Examiner.
Hi Roger, thanks for stopping by. Yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting. I like the part about disclosure vs confirmation. Makes sense to me.
Thanks a lot for a great article. However from a common public's viewpoint - "There are information about missions to investigate not UFOs but extraterrestrial life. Whether these missions are from the defense department or part of scientific investigation, is not important for common people. What interests is how the truth is emerging?"
Hope to see more information coming out soon:)
Cheers!
Hi Schizophrenic,
Interesting. I didn't think about that. If the government really is telling us everything there is to know, why can't they do it in a more direct manner? We may be conjuring conspiracies to suit our own needs but they're certainly not helping matters by being so evasive all the time. If it's a missile, tell us it's a missile. If it's an unidentified flying object, have the guts to admit you don't know what it is. We're adults. We can take it! :)
I never trust Anybody thats wrote a Book...
Hi Anonymous,
Most authors, and I'm assuming Alexander is included, aren't asking for your trust. They're just asking you to open your mind and use your imagination for the short bit of time they have your attention. Who knows? You might come away with a completely different view of the world.
Thousands of the UFO hierarchy would be gagging at Dr Johns comments. Still, every one is entitled to their opinion.
I don't agree with his thinking on secrets, sure some are kept pretty badly but what the A Bomb etc. How much info do we know about what happened in the cold war SPY V SPY. Just about nothing. Political killings, espionage and spying were common place and I bet a lot of what happened won't surface for a looong time if at all.
To top it off, try to find out the details of the US biological research program. You would probably find the aliens first :o)
I'm one who believes that there is a cover up at a very deep level, you don't have to hoodwink the entire population just a few key people.
A good read Donna.
Sol
Sol! Good to see you again.
I'm sitting on the fence myself on the keeping secrets thing. If you look at it from Alexander's viewpoint, the government has given us the information they have and we've invented conspiracy theories because we're not satisfied with the explanation we've been given, it makes sense in some situations. But I'm wondering if he's suggesting we use that mindset about everything. Like the examples you have up there, and what about the Kennedy assassination and 9/11? Are we supposed to believe that everything the government SAYS is true really IS and that we're all a bunch of lunatics because we DON'T believe it? Now I'm thinking NWO and mind control.
I see Alexanders point but at the same time he has ignored many years of independent study from credible sources much like the COMETA report. He is almost starting from the beginning and tring to lump UFO into one explanation. Sort of like project Blue book, a study group well under resourced to investigate the exrodinary.
He was way wrong about the interest in the subject. He should call the FAA and ask who they send the UFO reports to.
And, why do the air force pilots (verified) get told to keep their mouths shut.?
Hi Thinking Man,
Exactly! That's what I was trying to say up there in response to Sol but I haven't had enough coffee yet. :)
Does Alexander want us to just sit back and quietly accept everything the government has said as being the complete information... and the truth? Because, for one thing, the government's going to need to take the marbles out of their mouth and be a little more transparent - is it a missile or an unidentified flying object?
The message I took away from the interview was that we need to stop worrying about whether or not the government is lying, and whether or not they're ever going to disclose everything they know, and get down to business with identifying these objects ourselves. We have plenty of 'entertainment' types out there scouting the skies at night, looking for the next big headline. But do we have anyone like Rutan who is not affiliated with the government or any defense agencies, who's out there specifically looking for the answers? Someone with power, intelligence, reputation and the financial backing to really organize all of this information? Someone the people would trust when he tells us - that one was a weather balloon and that one was one of our own missiles? Because I think that until we find this person whom EVERYONE would trust, we're always going to have conspiracy theories.
Hi again, Sol,
From the interview, I got the impression that pilots, etc, are told to keep quiet because there's still the opinion that people who see UFOs are lunatics. I don't know for sure because I'm no legal genius, but Alexander made a point of saying it's not illegal to report a UFO and pilots, or whoever, won't be reprimanded for THAT. He DID say that there's a lot of peer pressure involved and they put their careers at stake by doing so. So, putting 2 and 2 together, I got the impression they're told to keep quiet in order to keep from embarrassing their unit and if they don't, they'll probably get fired or demoted or whatever for some OTHER reason.
Whatever is going on, this is a worldwide phenomena. This is not circumscribed only to the USA. This is what makes this more of a conundrum. The problem here and the reason why the U.S. doesn't address it is because it CANNOT EXPLAIN it. That is a terrifying thought.
Some people, somewhere know what this is. Whether they are people with power or not, that is irrelevant...Perhaps the explanation of this phenomena is something we are not prepared to either understand or deal with.
This was a feeble article, indeed. Myopic, to say the least. What a wasted opportunity.
Hi poh123,
Sorry you didn't like the article. I particularly enjoyed the following paragraph. Maybe you missed it...
<blockquote>According to Alexander, the vast majority of the information is already out there. The problem with the UFO community is that they're not looking for disclosure. They're looking for confirmation and if it doesn't fit their preconceived notion of reality then they assume there must be a conspiracy.</blockquote>
I liked the article. In a way I can't help but feel I am listening to my grandpa telling me his point of view using his wisdom. I also know it was grandpa that informed me that the first book of the old text spoke of an apple and adam and eve eating for the reason they covered their privates! Then I read it for myself and I saw the truth. My point is, I understand why Grandpa doesn't want to see that the country he fought for would have the ability to keep secrets that happen in there bedroom behind closed doors because of the disgusting things it would reveal that they do when their pants are down, so in grandpas mind he comes up with the Apple storytelling that sounds great if you do not want to see what the true abilities of one or a large group of likeminded maybe even evil or bad people are capable of doing. Yes our government can keep secrets,some can't and reveal it and the larger group sends out its people in larger numbers to reveal to the public twisted stories. Till you have the confusion you have today, just like in religions about the apple that was never really mentioned, because they want to protect the children from knowing about why adem and eve covered their privates!
Hi Elvis,
What a twist! I like it! It always amazes me how all you guys can view the same thing from so many different angles. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. I never would have thought of this. Alexander being part of the conspiracy? yes. Alexander being naive? yes,. But Alexander being blind? Never even occurred to me.
That sounded like it was definitely the words of a company man. Let's ask some other company men the same question about UFOs. How about Buzz and Neil Armstrong or any other of the our famous astronauts form years gone by that have flown besides these UFOs. It sounds like this author wants to calm the people by stating that the gov't is completely innocent and knows nothing. Hmm, was Project BlueBook not a gov't project?
Hi, The Thinker,
Are you related to Thinking Man? :)
Alexander doesn't say that UFOs don't exist at all. He's saying that most of them can be explained as being from this planet but the explanation we receive might not fit the pre-conceived notion we already have in mind. And if it doesn't then we're apt to shout 'conspiracy theory!'
For example, I'm sure we've all seen images of UFOs that have been proven to be fake. Yet someone, somewhere is going to look at that picture and say - I don't care what you say. It's a UFO! You're just trying to cover something up!
That person has it already firmly in mind that what he's looking at is a UFO and he's not going to accept any other explanation.
But the big question is - WHAT is a UFO? UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. It does not stand for 'aircraft from outerspace, manned by aliens who've come here to rape our women, mutilate our cattle and take over the world' It simply means the object hasn't been identified - yet. The problem is, once something is labeled as a UFO then people don't want to accept any explanation other than extraterrestrial and if you try to tell them otherwise that's when they start talking about conspiracy theories.
Anyway, that's my take on the interview. I'm not sure how clear it is though. I think it's time to switch to Red Bull :)
Thanks for taking the time to read and comment and have a great evening.
It would be interesting to hear what Dr. Greer of the Disclosure Project has to say.
Hi Anonymous,
That would be a cool debate, wouldn't it?
Dulce base in the actual answer for these question ..
They were all created to defend the people of the United States against the threat of human invaders. If a UFO were deemed a threat to national security, then certainly they would have investigated. But only to the extent needed to determine the level of the threat and how to counteract. Since nearly all UFO sightings are either peaceful or too wacky to even be considered legitimate, there has been no reason for these agencies to investigate their appearance. It doesn't matter to them what they are, where they came from or who is sitting at the wheel as long as they don't try to attack the U.S.
Are you serious????---your telling me NORAD etc.doesnt care whats flying up there as long as it doesnt blow us appart? They freaked out when ballon boy was up there. That is one of the most moronic statements i have ever heard. So our Gov. is just cool, no matter what is zipping around. Give me a break. People, please use your head. Believe me--THEY CARE-very much.
Alexander seems to confuse the definition of "disclosure" as presidents inferring they saw something. Carter, Truman, and Reagan never admitted aliens are visiting our planet in a press conference--as I think most people expect as a definition of "disclosure". Why he feels a need to play this game is odd--but I'm guessing as someone said above it's a bit of a stall tactic, or some kind of ego/mind trick, in that he likes to point out ufos have been admitted to, when we all know what we're asking for isn't the same thing John Alexander is trying to sell. Carter saying he saw a light/ufo is not a world leader telling us aliens exist or how about at least releasing to the world the documents that we know they have locked up (Rendleshem!) because other military officials admitted seeing it and or handing it off...but we still don't see that data. That's not disclosure.
The most unnerving statement from Alexander, was what he said on Skinwalker Ranch and an obvious sentient intelligence being there that they can't explain. I give him credit for being honest on that--that's like hearing the boogey man is real. I wonder if the UFO/Aliens are in a similar unnerving basket and the reason why they hold back on the info. Still all sounds like fairies and djinns...and I'm not being silly about that...I really think we have an external intelligence that has being living next door to us throughout history--hard to accept but all the cultures of the world report the "spirits" and Skinwalker Ranch shows theres some hard evidence to back up this intelligence that weaves in and out of our realm. Creepy.
What are the two phrases "Plausible Deni-ability" and "Need to know"! Given that there are different levels of government, military, call it what you may. Then it could be quite possible that many many people don't have a clue what's happening in their organization.
Dr John may be right by saying the majority of people don't know any great details about the UFO's. But that would also include him!
We all know the technical meaning of "UFO" but when it comes to the topic we really refer to alien presence. One full step on. I know Donna from past posts has indicated that we may not need a confession from the governments because we already have disclosure. Myself and a lot of readers would probably disagree and want the full Monty but that aint goin to happen. The more I follow this phenomenon the more my opinion is coming into line with Donna. Disclosure is already upon us, we need to open our eyes and see the subtle evidence that is there. Although it's pretty well covered in smoke especially by the fundamentalist UFO crew who in their enthusiasm have stirred up so much of a mire you can't see the legitimate facts.
I heard on the radio that the Vatican has a new web site and there appears to be a new confirmation that the church doesn't have a problem with life not from our world.
Another subtle verification?
Sol
Just on the pilots Donna.
Many pilots see strange things and do report them even in the air force, anything that could pose a danger to other planes one would be required to report.
It's the really strange sightings that get stifled - bit of a contradiction?
IMO a pilot that reports lights is not considered a lunatic just an observer of an unusual object. So why then if there was no vested interest in the event would they be gagged? Does lend itself to something deeper.
Sol
OK, Sol. It's all your fault! LOLOL
Alexander contacted me yesterday and I asked him for an exclusive interview for Examiner readers. I'm opening up my email just for you. Send me whatever questions you want me to ask him! Go back to the top of THIS Page that you're on right now and you'll find a link to give you more information.
Here is a picture I took last june http://img27.imageshack.us/i/p6220059txt.jpg/
Also, disclosure has happen, Google this: UFO site:.gov
the "site:.gov" with only turn up government websites that have results, it obvious they are not hiding anything.
Hi B DiMaria,
What a great picture! You're lucky you had your camera with you. I never remember to bring mine along. Thanks for sharing!
This is one of the best-written columns on the immense world of UFOs and questions as to explanations that I have ever read. Congratulations, Donna Anderson!
Christy
Wow, Christy! Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it and I'm really glad you took the time to comment.
Have a great day!
Brilliant! Thank you Ms Anderson. You've rattled a number of cages that needed to be shaken. Disclosure is ongoing and always has been. Evidence is certainly out there in plain sight. As you and Dr Alexander indicate, *interpretation* is the issue.
These pleadings for 'disclosure' seem like little kids begging mom and dad to show them exactly why the sky is blue or to demonstrate how the leopard got his spots. Moms and dads, contrary to childrens' surreal expectations, don't know everything. Nor do our governments – comprised of people in varying states of maturity, doubt and fear! I would cautiously advise all to bring some maturity to the table. Some things, for all practical purposes, just are.
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I pursued a career in academe, public representation and law. Material evidence is very important to me. But, I also trust my own senses, I don't need a parental government to tell me what I’ve witnessed: something that most would call a 'ufo'. It was frightening and fascinating - for the same reason: none of my previous knowledge could inform my interpretation of what I was seeing. But I just have to live with the uncertainty and ambiguities. And practically, it’s not important to my everyday life.
Similarly, I heard about Roswell from a relative, a serving USAF officer there, long before UFOlogists discovered it. To be sure, there's something unknown out there and, as yet, we humans just haven't had sufficient motivation to seriously study the phenomena in any concerted way. I guess we won't be motivated until there is some sort of 'Independence Day' scenario - or, until we stop all this juvenile 'us v gov' whining and defensiveness.
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Chuck J,
Thank you for the compliment and for taking the time to leave a comment. I see you posted on the other article, too, so I'll leave a reply over there for you.
I agree with you. I don't think we've put a concerted effort into finding out what these things are. I hope it doesn't take an 'Independence Day' to get us there, though. Although, with the state of the economy all over the world right now I can't see any country allocating the funds that would be necessary for this type of research. Maybe private sector?
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