A demonstration video set by TWM Technology LLC shows two of their motor-generators in operation, though not necessarily showing convincing overunity. The company claims that the system can provide enough power from its secondary coil to both keep the battery source replenished and to provide extra energy for practical use.
 A screenshot from the videos, with the pending patent figure in the background. |
We have received a brief three-part demonstration video set from TWM Technology LLC, who we reported on last Tuesday. They are the ones who claim that their motor-generator provides enough power from its secondary coil to both keep the battery source replenished and to provide extra energy for practical use.
They claim that in a test last January they ran a moped for an hour, around 350 pounds of weight in all, and that the battery had the same charge after the test as it did before the test.
They say they are within a month from having a patent awarded on the technology. The diagram in the background in the videos is Figure 1 from that patent.
Here is an email excerpt that I sent to them last night to get some clarification and to make some suggestions for them. It is followed by a response by TWM President, Todd Thorpe, who is the person talking and being shown in the videos.
I got your video files. Three different segments in all.
I now have the following:
- DEMO - Bonus 01.mpg
- Picture_001.mov
- Picture_002.movDEMO... is explained pretty well verbally.
Now what we need is a description of what is being shown in Picture_001 and Picture_002.
What are the meters? What are they showing? With the background noise (motor) it is hard to tell what you are saying.
We'll want a complete set of information for each video:
- input energy, as shown by which meters
- output energy, as shown by which meters
- rotation speed of motorExplain what you mean by "hollow core" motor (a sentence or two is fine).
It looks like the batteries are connected in series. How many are there (I see 6 in the DEMO video, and I presume it is the same in the others)? What is the rating of each battery? What is the total voltage?
Be prepared for some skepticism due to having such a large battery array running the motor. Batteries can be a tricky medium. A battery with no load, just sitting on the shelf, can show its voltage going up. I've seen that before. The true test of a battery is the "battery capacity" test, which hits it with a momentary load and calculates how the battery responds, and gives a percentage result. Here's the instrument I use, as recommended by John Bedini and Peter Lindemann.
Showing battery voltage going up doesn't really show anything. It's easy to get battery voltage to go up or down in extremes when you first hit it with a load or a charge. It's called "surface charge" and is like suds on the top of a drink. It's just fluff. The "battery capacity" is the true measure of the state of power in a battery.
Power, electrically speaking is a function of amps x volts x power factor (is a fraction).
Your demonstrations as given, are not adequate to show that you are generating or harvesting excess energy (more out than in).
At some point, it would be good to shoot a video in which you test all the batteries beforehand in this manner, then run the motor with as heavy of a load as it can handle for about five minutes, while also charging the batteries, then test the charge capacity on all the batteries again and show that they have gone up, not down. That would be a very convincing video. It would show the self-looping, with energy left over (powering the bulbs). In that video, you would also want to make sure to show all around the set-up to rule out hidden wires. The legs of a table, for example should be transparent, and the tabletop should be glass, if possible, so that there is no possibility of hidden wires.
Where you have one set of batteries for the input, and one set for the output, having to rotate them from front to back, the above demonstration gets more complicated. You'll need to add another step. Run the same experiment again, but this time swap the output batteries with the input batteries. At the end, the net capacity on the entire array will need to be greater than at the beginning, to show what you are claiming. [If the net battery capacity drops some, then people will not be able to know that this drop is less than would happen if free energy were not being harvested from the environment, unless they are experts in those particular battery types.]
I played with this kind of stuff for three months a few years ago when I launched the Bedini SG open source project. I got quite excited several times, thinking I was seeing overunity, but whenever I waited long enough, and tested properly, the system always showed a net loss in power, as conventional science would predict. In other words, I could not prove with my system that some kind of external (free) energy was being harvested. I did see some interesting effects, but nothing practical.
What is good about these videos is that they give us a visual on your set-up, to get us oriented as to the size of the motor-generator, the batteries running it and being charged, the input and output, the sound of the motor running.
One thing I will say is that your motors look really nice. You've done a good job in presentation in that regard. Prototypes can be quite ugly. Yours are not ugly. Your patent figure (if that is what it is), also looks professionally done.
Here is Todd Thorpe's response Oct. 9, 2009 to the above email.
(slightly edited)
The demo shows a 100 watt light bulb being lit off of 1 set of output secondary coil leads. There are 4 more sets at which you could load another4 bulbs with. The rpms should have been displayed. We use a total of 8 batteries, 4 for each side. We put 48 volts into positive side and 48 volts into negative side with a central ground grounding out both sides.
Hollow-core is the electromagnet itself. No iron, it's made of wood, achieving 14,000 plus rpms that poc (proof of concept) is estimated 30% of its capabilities. When we sensorize models we will eliminate backlash voltage (back emf) adding efficiency.
We have been using these batteries for three years to demo this motor.
I will send you another video, for those were just tests, demonstrating everything in detail showing it under load, charging another separate battery pack with output side.
In each motor there 10 coils (electromagnets) which not only drive the motor with a DC input/pulse, and the same 10 coils absorb an output AC power through secondary wire leads. Each coil has a primary wire with positive and negative side and also a secondary wire (output) generator leads.
Thus far, we recycle our own energy that just DC pulsed input side 48 volts to positive side, 48 volts to negative side (live positive/live negative) with a central ground that is both positive and negative. So what you're seeing is energy used to drive motor then absorbed in to secondary's rectified and routed to a capacitor pulse with modulation. We control output voltage through capacitor flashes 205 volts out.
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Looks interesting we need more meters.
3 amp meters on the motor input one in positive leg and one in negative leg and one in your center tap ground leg.
we need 3 voltmeters one from center to positive input, one from center to negative, and one from positive to negative across all the batteries.
this will show input power.
Now we need 2 more meters volts and amps going to the light bulb.
this will show us the power to the lamp.
It looked like when you showed us .5 amps on bulb the input went up about .5 amps to the motor.
This will be an interesting video. I have worked on pulse motors like this with a fellow named Ron Brandt and the proper setup is needed to see what is really going on.
Good Work
Rhett
The ONLY test of an overunity motor is that it runs WITHOUT batteries and drives a load. If it recharges the battery, why can't it run itself? Give me ONE good reason!
By the way the meter you rely upon for battery capacity as per the Bedini section of your wiki quoted above-- it isn't either reproducible or accurate. The only one that is, as I've said at least four times in previous responses and as I noted way back in Tilley days, is the Xantrex battery monitor. These devices measure not only current and voltage but also the amount of energy that has been drained from or delivered to the battery as reflected by the amp-hours. Amp-hours are then multiplied by the voltage to get watt hours of energy.
You can buy these meters most easily from West Marine. Their web description of the least costly, the Link-10 meter is here: tinyurl.com/yzjl9ft. Current cost is $349. Older Link 10's are available on eBay for much less and work just as well.
Measurement of the power is totally wrong. We do not see any voltages. Besides, to avoid power going back to the battery pack he could put a rectifier (diode) in series to each battery pole.
You don't need a fancy meter device to measure if this motor works. Run 2 battery units side by side, powering 2 identical appliances. If the battery pack without the twm motor runs out first, then obviously the twm motor is working. If the TWM battery pack NEVER runs out then obviously it's REALLY working. Don't be so quick to criticize just because they don't have a million dollar research laboratory.
Show some pictures and video of co-inventor Tim Wheeler. I want to see if he is Craig John Oliver.
Bring the unit to speed using the battery, cut the power to the unit in a manner where the units output feeds it's input, if it continues to run they have something. Throw a load to it, and it still continues to run, they REALLY have something. In that they decided to jabber without giving a real demo suggests to me the have nothing, and they know it. DMMs are inexpensive, use the to build a test/demo panel with labels, point to them while explaining what's going on. Extraordinary claims have always required extraordinary effort to demonstrate and prove. As always time will tell.
Here is yet another battery motor generator battery perpetual motion scheme. Setting aside the voodoo science claptrap in the video, if they want to convince anyone with any sense that they have something such as they claim, then they need to show that they deliver more energy out than contained in the batteries. Those battery banks are so large that an ordinary $25. automotive inverter connected to either of them could run a 100W load for several hours.
As others have said, if they wish to show they have any energy in excess of the battery charge and any batteries that could be concealed in their box, then there are relatively simple ways to do that from comparative run-down tests to self-power tests. You can bet your bottom dollar these guys will never do a proper test.
LOL, TWM should quit wasting bandwidth. Ultimately, nothing will ever be proven with a video demonstration. These guys are probably shysters. Granted, there are some interesting and (as yet) unexplained magnetic, relativistic, and gravitational effects; most stemming from inherent unpredictability of quantum systems. However, I seriously doubt useful "free" energy will ever come from any kind of macro-scale engineering; so toss the magnet motor. Classical physics (input = output) is just too well balanced. Nano-tech, cryogenics and pizo-electrics hold much more promise. BTW, I’m not a “naysayer”. Why? Because 1) Relativity tells us the universe is expanding, 2) Quantum mechanics says that there is a smal, measurable energy constant in a vacuum and 3) Thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created or destroyed. These three statements encapsulate the great conundrum of cosmology. One of these three statements MUST be untrue.
i would like to see a demo video of the 600hp version installed in the 1ton ford pickup truck soon. i am truly amazed how smaller version works and the theory behind it is absolutely fascinating why didn't automakers thought of this when its already provided in our physics books. and TWM Technologies LLC. did just that. they applied the theory into practical application. great work! when there is a motor there should be a generator those two always work hand in hand with each other.
Wont work...If overunity were achieved it wouldnt need batteries connected at all. If motor powered itself plus a load, that would be overunity, what the video shows is the load of .5amp causes a proportional load on input of .7amp huh! that is not even close!
I just called their company and some rude lady answered and said they were a real estate agency. When I asked about TWM tecnology she said it was the right place and then just hung up. I got a bad feeling from her. Why not show a video with the battery disconnected and the motor still running? Because it is a scam to sap potential investors. E=MC2 period!
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