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The “Science Club of Long Island” on the God who kills

We continue considering the various comments made by Oleg Dei who is the founder, president and publisher of the Science Club of Long Island. While the club claims to be about science, it is an anti-Christian support group and, apparently, Dei’s job description also includes, as he puts it, “I eat stupid dumb*** Christians for lunch!” (expletive removed).

His comments came about due to the essay Science Club of Long Island (which was originally posted at the blog Atheism is Dead which is one of the website True Freethinker’s predecessors).

Picking up where we left off in the previous segment we ask, what of “the evil Jesus” who not only “approves of this genocide” and note carefully, “plans to repeat it when he returns.”

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Note also that, ever the emotive reactionary, Oleg Dei refers to this as “genocide” yet, he states that it pertained to “the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, and fetuses.” “Genocide” is “murder of entire ethnic group: the systematic killing of all the people from a national, ethnic, or religious group, or an attempt to do this” (Encarta Dictionary) and yet, the Great Flood, by the Bible’s and Oleg’s very own definitions is the exact opposite of genocide as it did not pertain to a national, ethnic, or religious group but to ““the entire population of the earth.”

Jesus stated, “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” So, Oleg must be right, Jesus “plans to repeat it” the Great Flood “when he returns.” Yet, if he read for text and context—in fact, in this case he does not even bother quoting a fragment of one verse—he would have noted that what was likewise between the days of Noah and the time when Jesus returns is that, “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”

The reference is to being unrepentant and unaware of what Jesus referred to as “the sign of the times.” This is whey Jesus warns us to, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.”

In any regard, since YHVH did not cause the Great Flood “at the drop of a hat” then this does not count.

Point 2:

2. God kills half a million people. In 2 Chronicles 13:15–18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

Note again, that Oleg Dei does not bother quoting anything at all but merely asserts what you should believe about the text that he references. Even reading the text which he references shows that he does not want you to read for context but only the juicy bits. The juicy bits tells of the slaughter yet, the previous text tells that this was a war. Note to modern types: people die in war.

Here is how the text relates the even, “Abijah became king over Judah” and “there was war between Abijah and Jeroboam.” Yet, Abijah took the time and made the effort to stand on Mount Zemaraim and say:

Hear me, Jeroboam and all Israel: Should you not know that the LORD God of Israel gave the dominion over Israel to David forever, to him and his sons, by a covenant of salt? Yet Jeroboam the son of Nebat, the servant of Solomon the son of David, rose up and rebelled against his lord.

Thus, he reiterates that he is the rightful ruler and that Jeroboam was in rebellion. This caused “worthless rogues” to take Jeroboam’s side, the same who had previously “strengthened themselves against Rehoboam the son of Solomon, when Rehoboam was young and inexperienced and could not withstand them.”

Abijah tells them, “now you think to withstand the kingdom of the LORD, which is in the hand of the sons of David; and you are a great multitude.” Then he affirms that fact that Jeroboam and his cohorts were engaged in idolatry, “with you are the gold calves which Jeroboam made for you as gods.” They had also, “cast out the priests of the LORD…and made for yourselves priests, like the peoples of other lands, so that whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may be a priest of things that are not gods?” In other words, you could buy the priesthood, you could become a priest for a price.

Lastly, Abijah states, “Now look, God Himself is with us as our head, and His priests with sounding trumpets to sound the alarm against you. O children of Israel, do not fight against the LORD God of your fathers, for you shall not prosper!” Therefore, he reviewed the situation, warned them not to fight against YHVH’s rightful ruler and priests and on top of it, urged them not to fight.

Yet, what happened? Well, “Jeroboam caused an ambush…the battle line was at both front and rear” and this is when “God struck Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.” In case they were not aware, the situation was reviewed, they were urged not to fight yet, Jeroboam doubled his efforts and lost the war. Note that Oleg Dei does not condemn the provoker of the war, the one who refused to relent.

In any regard, since YHVH did not cause Abijah to win and Jeroboam to loose “at the drop of a hat” then this does not count.

Point 3:

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God kills all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn. It is obvious that the Bible is crap and so is its description of a Christian God. No wonder the Christian History is full of violence and death!

Firstly, let us deal with an ubiquitously promulgated well within the box atheist group think talking point de jour which Oleg Dei voiced with words to the effect of “Christian History is full of violence and death!”

The Encyclopedia of Wars (New York: Facts on File, 2005) was compiled by nine history professors who specifically conducted research for the text for a decade in order to chronicle 1,763 wars. The survey of wars covers a time span from 8000 BC to 2003 AD. From over 10,000 years of war 123 wars, which is 6.98 percent, are considered to have been religious wars. As a side note: circa half of those involved Islam which has only been around for some 1.5 thousand year out of the 10,000. Meanwhile, in one single century atheists murdered more people than all religious wars combined—find details at this link.

The situation is that the Jews had been enslaved by Egyptians for some four centuries—clearly Oleg Dei does not care about this as he does not condemn the Egyptians. YHVH sends Moses to tell Pharaoh, “Let my people go.” Oleg wants you to focus on one single verse, Exodus 12:29, whilst ignoring the fact that Moses confronts Pharaoh repeatedly to no avail and the ten plagues occur to no avail. Apparently, YHVH was supposed to say, “Oh, well, I tried, sorry Jews maybe the Egyptians will let you go free in a few more centuries.”

In any regard, since YHVH did cause the death of the first born of Egypt “at the drop of a hat” then this does not count.

Oleg’s conclusion demonstrates the fact that behind every atheist’s façade of disbelief is a rigid domatheistic theology. That is to say, atheists concoct of a god, invent a theology and the reject the god, the theology of their own making. Oleg Dei’s conclusion is:

A real God would not do this.

How does he know and why not? Because our first world country modern day politically correct sensibilities are troubled by the unpleasant harsh realities of life? Because he has likely never even read as much as an entire chapter of the Bible? Indeed, how does he know and why not? Because thus saith Oleg the emotive—that is why! For more on this point see, Atheism’s arguments against theism, or Atheism’s “atheology”.

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Mariano Grinbank is an Argentinean-American Jewish Christian. He attended private Jewish school and had Bar Mitzvah in Israel. He is involved in Judeo-Christian apologetics as a researcher, essayist and lecturer. His webpage is http://www.truefreethinker.com .

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