Braco on tour in Austria.

Interview with Drago Plecko, MSc., Parapsychologist and scientist from Croatia

From June 30, 2009 in Samobor, Croatia

To introduce Braco to a new audience in the United States, this interview from my upcoming book, 21 Days with Braco, offers an insightful perspective on his unique ability to heal and how it affects people.

Part 2 of 2  (Go to Part 1) 

Legend: A- Angelika; D - Drago

A. I’ve noted with Braco that he does not read a lot of books and fill himself with information from other people. He’s very busy just being present, living his life, and allowing spontaneity to come through him. But most people don’t live this way.

D. That’s why they come to him. They wouldn’t need him if they would live like that.

A.  So if you were to sum up for people how Braco’s way of living and being could help other people to have a better life, how would you sum up Braco? How would you sum up the way he lives his day-to-day life while serving other people?

D. I call it resonance, the principle of resonance. If you resonate with some source eventually you are becoming that source - but not on that superficial level.  

A. Not because you are trying, but because you are open? 

D. If you are trying this is the way not to become. This is the worst you can do, to try. So what happens is if you are open minded you are open to it. That resonance creates similarity with the source, not on this intellectual, superficial level. You shouldn’t dress like him, or smoke like him or have hair like him. You understand, like people usually do. Women come to India and they are all wearing Saris. It is bullshit. They can’t become Indians like that because you are Indian in your heart or mind. It is the same story here. You have, on a certain level that resonance with the source. People are coming to be back with the source. To be reset, you understand? If you come to places where people like Braco are, why are you coming here? Not to build something new on an already bad foundation. You know what I mean? 

A. Yes.

D. What you should do is reset your system and start anew. And try to resonate with the source and it will give you a solution. If you can’t do that, it doesn’t work for you. This is why there are a lot of people coming to his place who do not experience anything.

A. Many people want to categorize what a spiritual life looks like, and Braco breaks the mold in many ways for he smokes and does some harmless things? 

D. Oh, there are many of them, in the past there are many highly evolved masters, Bugia was drinking and smoking. All Tibetan Lamas are eating meat …  it’s just a myth.

A. But many people on the spiritual path today think that they have to give up these many things?   

D. Usually, Americans. 

A. It’s almost like you stop being human, that you have to discipline yourself so rigorously to fit into a certain mold. And Braco is teaching that you don’t have to do it that hard way anymore. There is naturalness with the spontaneity, humanness. 

D. You are paying the price for doing something you don’t feel like doing. It’s obvious, it’s a tremendous stress and it’s frustration. If you come to India, you will see at Sai Baba’s place only the Americans are trying to be good Indians. There is no Indian trying to be a good Indian. Only Americans are trying. Nobody there is vegetarian, half of them are smoking. If you find devotees from California, they will do it because this is the way their minds work. Yes, it’s clear. Everything which is not natural for you at one point you shouldn’t do it. It’s better to do something bad than be frustrated because you didn’t do it. It doesn’t sound nice, but this is the fact of life. And when Rajneesh told that to Americans they busted him, nobody wants to hear this there. 

A. This is like people who want to pretend they don’t have anger or negative emotions because they want to be spiritual, and then they become so frustrated inside? 

D.  It happens all the time. 

A. Yes, that they go backward on their path? 

D. Yes, that’s right. Suppressed anger turns into animosity, hostility, aggression, everything. Look, it’s the energy, it’s never lost. So this negative stuff which enters your system, you have to release it somehow or transform it. You can’t live with it otherwise. 

A. But if you reject it or pretend it’s not there…?

D. You will never ever make it. You have just created another frustration, and another one. What you do when you are frustrated, you are adding a new type of hostility, a new type… I am now vegetarian, I’ll stop smoking. It’s not enough, I’m missing something. Now I’ll be vegan, I don’t want to eat cheese anymore. And what should I add else, I should get up at 2 am and meditate for 2-6 hours. Well, enlightenment is not coming, Jesus, I have to do, I have to add something to it. It’s not true, you should subtract something from it. That’s the worst thing you can do, you are chasing a dragon, and you know this is the worst possibility. Chasing a dragon, all the time you have that wonderful feeling, there’s one more thing I have to do and I’ll be there. And you’ll never arrive at it. This is called the illusion. So spontaneity is the key. So someone is not terrorizing you with his books, with his ideas that you have to quit smoking, quit drinking, quit this, and live like this and live that. You are not yourself anymore ultimately, you are becoming someone else.  

A. So when someone comes for a healing session with Braco, what is the best thing they can do to help themselves to optimize the potential of that healing?

D. I have a specific theory about it. I think that in Yoga there’s that point, two fingers below the heart, there is a small sub-chakra that is called Kalpa Vriksha. I think if you concentrate on that, it’s called the wish fulfilling tree. And it was used in classic Indian yoga if someone wanted to accomplish something to solve a problem. I think you can help yourself if you at that point just feel, at the same time you are gazing at him.  

A. So would you just be concentrating on the minor chakra at that point?

D. Just feel it.

A. So what about thinking about your problems?

D. No, there’s no need for that because subconsciously you have already delivered your problems to the man in front of you. You don’t have to spell your problems. We believe you have to spell it. It’s there, no matter if you spell it or not. So every problem, it’s like a thought. If you go deeper in your thought, ultimately it becomes so faint that you cannot recognize it. But still it’s the same thought. The problem works in the same way.    

A. So somebody comes with a very open attitude, once they actually step into a healing session with Braco, and you suggest they concentrate on that minor chakra right below the heart. This would be the most powerful way that you think they could receive the energy? 

D. For some people more sessions are necessary. They are building up that energy in themselves. It’s not for everyone that they can solve the problems instantly. Impossible. For some people it is possible, for some it’s not. You have to build up high enough so that you may cross that barrier. Sometimes it takes time to transform. They need more sessions. Coming and coming, gradually they are basically transforming themselves to it. It’s not always instantaneously. It can’t work like that.     

A. This is why people will come again and again, because they are building up an effect within themselves?

D. That’s right, they feel they need it. They feel they need it.

A. And so the books and DVDs that people can get about Braco, these too will help build that energy within them?  

D. It’s a booster. It’s a reminder. Different philosophies, religions have different reminders. You understand. It’s like a reminder. You just remember. Just by remembering the feeling you had during the session, you are having it again. It’s on the level of feeling. The problem of this civilization is the feminine side; people do not live their feminine side that is called feeling. They do not feel, they think. So already, when they switch on the feeling level they are starting to solve the problem already on that level. It’s some kind of a mixture between what we call feeling and emotion, but feeling is more than emotion. Emotion is the expression of your inner state of mind; feeling is the way of how to resolve it. So if you accomplish that during this session that you have the feeling, then it works by itself.  

A. Spontaneously, it just happens?

D. And there’s another extreme. You enter the area of the emotion, and then you are becoming very emotional and everything, which is just the expression of what you experience, but it is not a solution for your problem. It’s just the expression of your inner state, your current inner state.

The Sun Symbol of Braco and Ivica

A. What about Braco’s sun symbol that people wear?

D. It has 13 rays and is of an ancient tradition. Only the 13 ray golden sun actually fits in Ying and Yang simultaneously, is the presence of both principles inside one symbol. This is the only symbol that contains both of the principles, both of extremes in one. It’s very rare in history. You have just one God in the Shinto tradition that is the male god of the moon.  In the whole history of humanity, you have just one female god of the sun. It is extremely rare. One is Sumerian and the other is coming from the Japanese Shinto tradition. So here you have that unusual intuitive level on which Ivica realized this. It is that this symbol contains at the same time that grain of Ying and Yang, and that grain of Yang and Ying.  It’s the perfect combination. I traced it to other civilizations and traditions. I see it clearly, it’s very clear.     

A. So when somebody sees this symbol, or when they wear the gold sun, it continues to give an individual the power, it continues to build that power within them to transform?  

D. Everything is devoted to that, everything is for that purpose.  

A.  Yes, I mean specifically with Braco, the symbol is a potent ally to his work. It embodies it in a way?  

D. It became part of the human perception of him because people always see him connected to this symbol for 14 years, it’s normal. Somehow they became one, it’s very big, it’s the matter of  the authority on the level of the reflex. It’s always interconnected, but the meaning itself goes far deeper than the individual personality. It’s a unique symbol, a historically significant symbol that unites this principal in such a way that is extremely rare. I told you they are found in only two religions in all of history, and you can count at least 20,000 different religions on the face of the Earth. So if you trace it properly you can find the roots for an explanation of what it actually does mean. It’s a highly complex issue, why it contains both types. There are reasons for everything. You can reference some historical facts, it’s highly complex. In Japan, you have the number four, which is the symbol of everything bad. Numbers are symbols and 13 is a specific number, but it was never been incorporated into the symbol like the sun itself. It’s highly unusual.   

A. And the symbol, the way it is presented today on all of Braco’s material, is something that Braco himself had the vision of?

D. No, it was Ivica actually. He was the one who picked this from the collective consciousness.

A. So Ivica picked the symbol, but didn’t Braco bring it into its current form? 

D. You can say that. You know, there are no real borders between these two. When Ivica was alive, Braco already was in a way on that path. It’s actually hard to say all these details, you can’t put it as in historical books. On that date, I saw this. On that date, this happened or that happened. It doesn’t work like that. It’s all intertwined. The birth of the symbol itself - it’s gradually manifesting itself physically as your subconscious is manifesting itself on the other level. So there are parallel paths. You can’t say this is the date. It’s not like when America was born. It’s more intertwined. 

A. Do you understand how the mirror works, how Ivica was able to use the mirror?

D. There are many theories about it. You have a lot of practices throughout the world, throughout history. Like Dr Dee in Great Britain was the first one describing the obsidian mirrors in which he could contact different entities from parallel worlds. He could see the future. After that, I think it was the sixteenth century, you have new broader techniques, methods, theories connected to mirrors, the way mirrors work. In every Eastern tradition, in Shinto temples you have a mirror in front of you. Then you have that famous exercise in which you look into your own eyeballs in the mirror - so you can see your faces from past lives. There are innumerable techniques and methods of using mirrors in the history of humanity, on all continents, so there is probably some connection. And I don’t think Ivica was reading about it. He came to that spontaneously. So he could see stuff in it. Now you have plenty of things. You can see your own aura if you switch on a red light in your room, and look at yourself in the mirror but from the profile, you can see your aura clearly. There are many techniques involving mirrors. It’s very hard to tell precisely. He didn’t like to talk about it too much. He did not give any explanations.  

A. But the sun symbol that Braco uses is that more to stimulate the subconscious to give more an archetypal symbol from the collective consciousness, than the mirror which is meant to reflect back information? 

D. Exactly, it’s not solely a one-dimensional issue. The symbol itself has more aspects to it. It’s not only the sun principle, which is basically the Yang principle, the active principle, the light principle. The number 13 has the moisture, the dark principle, the moon principle in it so it’s a mixture as we all are. So it’s a multidimensional effect that it has on the consciousness of people. You have to study what it actually means from the point of view of the other civilizations and traditions. Even more than psychology. This symbology is very tricky stuff. Because it’s very well known that the symbol has tremendous power itself.  

A. I’d like to end this interview discussing something that Ivica said. Ivica made a prediction that Braco would come to America once a transformation in the psyche of the American people had taken place?

D. He said more like to the new lands or something similar. In Europe you don’t say America, it’s the new land, New World. He said something like that. He would go to the New World. Which means he knew Braco’s mission, there’s no doubt about it. He said to him, you know, when I will not be around, there will be thousands around you here. So he knew that goal in these things.

A. This particular statement about Braco going to the New World when a change in consciousness took place? In February Braco went to the United States for the first time. Now he’s going to be going back. Braco has had a huge effect in many countries in Europe with his healing work. What do you think is in store for the American people and other countries of the World that Braco is now going to be visiting in the future? How do you think his healing talent and what he offers is going to affect these new countries?  

D.  There are coincidences, it’s very strange. He moved to America, he was invited to America exactly at the point Obama was elected. And now he is going to Hawaii, and Obama was coming from Hawaii, yes. There are many coincidences like that. I don’t like to discuss that stuff. It sounds like a marketing story. There are many coincidences. These are just two. You know you can find support for a lot of them, coincidences like that. Well the time will tell. I don’t think projections into the future, what will happen, and what will be the effect on people in America, in which year, and how. I just don’t feel like making any projections. I don’t know. He can create something unbelievable. I don’t know.  

A. I’m thinking more in terms of the incredible opportunity. There’s a catalyzing effect going on here. So Braco is soon going to be coming more to the United States and then other English speaking countries and beyond. So it’s more about letting people know that there’s this incredible opportunity coming.   

D. Well it depends. I see it as whatever has to happen will happen. So all the information needed will be there. It’s like when you are reading the newspaper - I don’t know if you have observed this, I did with myself, I read an article and when I have finished with the article, my wife was reading the same article. Suddenly she makes a comment, and I realize I haven’t remembered that part of the argument because that wasn’t meant for me. You know it happens all the time. It’s like with books, with conversation. If you, for example, have a discussion with some friends for an hour while you are having a coffee, you will not necessarily remember everything. You’ll memorize what is needed for you at that point. So usually, we take in the information that is needed at that point for our evolution.     

A. It’s right back to the Now, being present.

D. It’s easiest. It’s here now and that’s what you should deal with. What comes, comes. It will come by itself. Anyways, it’s beyond our power to decide. So there is something much more powerful that is making decisions. You can have dreams - sometimes they are fulfilled, sometimes they are not, it depends. It’s the greatest mystery ever. It’s the mystery of life itself.

Go to Part 1 of this Article 

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 Drago & Angelika at Laughlin, NV Conference during Braco's first visit to the United States, Feb.09