On Jan. 12, Steorn gave a public demonstration in Dublin, Ireland comparing a typical pulse motor to their Orbo motor that they say is generating more energy than is required to run it (coefficient of performance greater than one).
 Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy, demonstrates the Orbo technology, Jan. 12, 2009. |
Can a device put out more energy than it consumes? Well, that's what we're on the look out for; realizing, of course, that in such a system, the excess energy is being harnessed from the environment somehow, whether from the sun, wind, waves, heat, or something more exotic such as zero point energy, aether, magnets, or the earth's magnetic field.
Yesterday, Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy, and one of his assistants, Max, gave a public demonstration and explanation of their e-Orbo technology, which they claim generates more electrical energy than it consumes. Their demonstration involved a comparison between their e-Orbo motor and a regular pulse motor, both of which were run by the same circuit. One of the main differences between the two is the toroid (doughnut-shaped) coils in the Orbo.
The demonstration was originally slated to take place Jan. 3 (Dec. 15 press release), then it was postponed to Jan. 8, and finally took place Jan. 12. Some of the delays were due to severe winter weather.
They claimed three unusual primary phenomenon in their demonstration:
- No back-EMF in the Orbo
- An inductance gain in the Orbo
- Power output in a clockwise direction whether the current ran one direction or the other.
They showed the instruments they used to draw these conclusions, including the typical meters such as an oscilloscope, but also including a thermal imagery camera that showed the hot spots in real time.
The technical presentation was not geared toward the lay audience but targeted more of an engineer-level audience. I'll be curious to see how the more technical scientist types respond.
One such person, Dann McCreary, posted an excellent article about the demonstration, detailing the particulars and transcribing the question and answer session at the end of the demonstration. Though a member of the Steorn 300, he's not yet fully convinced of the technology, and carries a healthy amount of skepticism mixed with hope that maybe there could be something to this.
Here are the five video installments from their live presentation on Jan. 12, 2010 in Dublin.
McCarthy described some pending demonstrations they have planned, including a demonstration that will show that their neodymium-iron-boron magnets are not degrading, followed by showing that there is more electrical output out than is put in -- something they will allow visitors to check for themselves using their own meters. He said they also plan on having a German company run a third-party calorimetry tests by the end of the month.
During these January demonstrations, there are some live video feeds available at the Steorn.com home page, but it is not always clear what is being shown, and the cameras often are "offline". They should be credited, though, for their efforts to be transparent. McCarthy said that all of the data they have been collecting during these public demonstrations will be posted on their website.
In the demonstration video, McCarthy said that their role as a company is to develop the core technology then hand that technology over through licenses to other people who have the capability and the market position to be able to deliver the technology into the real world. He drew an analogy to the development of the hard drive, and expects that as many developers get involved, that the time will be accelerated for bringing the size and price down for this technology.
Follow-up on Replications
Today, Sean wrote saying "we felt that we had to produce the video below to show some of the issues with the supposed replications."
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Copied my 3 pole monopole kit
On January 13, 2010 5:11 PM Mountain, Rick Friedrich wrote:
Sent this to Bedini_monopole3 group just now FYI:
Steorn not only copied my 3 pole monopole kit, trying to disguise it with a few different unessential parts configurations, but they even had the nerve to call it the classic! I finally got around to watching more of their video and I am amazed at who they think they are kidding. I mean the live video was not live and never continued as watchers reported. And their little motor was covered in gigantic Plexiglas to dazzle everyone. It would be easy to hide all sorts of things in that. So now you see this thermal imager in the video that is not even set to showing body heat right. I see fingers that are just as blue as the plastic! I have one of these, which cost a great deal of money. You can set the colors as you wish and raise the temp on them so that you do not see wires on such a setup. We all know on this list that it does not take very much energy to run a monopole. I called myself the 'School boy' a few years back because I ran one on 0.001 Amps.
So tell me people, would you even see 0.1Amps, or 0.075A (as is typical on our basic setups on this list) with such an imager set so obviously high in temperature so as to show (when looking at the machine) blue fingers just as blue as the plastic? With such thick Plexiglas you could hide and deflect 1A of power going through hidden wires. You can do all sorts of tricks with thermal imagers. You can blow cold air on the machine so that the surface is cold and does not show hidden wires! Maybe that is why fingers were blue as the glass when close to the imager? But then again, there is no need to even hide wires when it takes so little to run.
Anyway, I was just ignoring them until I saw the guy call it the classic. I mean what did he do, just call me up last year and get all the details and just think he could call it his own machine?
WHY IS IT CALL THE CLASSIC PEOPLE?
Because John and I sat around for a week a year ago with a friend of ours who visited and we decided to make a nice looking and very well machined replication of his little motor that was tested by TUV company to demonstrate over unity. Which we have on film over many hours. So I went over to the shelf and pulled the motor down and we discussed how it could be made into a kit. We wanted it to look as good as it performed, and we decided to give it the name the classic because it goes back to earlier Bedini days and is famous for that testing that was done. It is a classic because Bedini is classic. He goes back 40 years in this energy, and his amps are classics. He listens to and edits classic music in ways no one else can enhance them. He makes works of art as an artist inventor. There never is junky work done by John Bedini. So his old works are now considered classics. So we replicated "The Classic" because that is what it really is. This kit forces people to stare at it for at least 30 minutes in all my experience with visitors. Needless to say this copying and using this term after copying the whole concept with no recognition given, at such a time that we are making the larger 10, 20, and 30 coiler energizers was the final straw for me. I can't imagine what I see or hear next.
Rick
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On January 14, 2010 3:41 AM Mountain, Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy responded:
Hi Sterling,
I really have no comment to make on this - if we have violated his technology (which we have not), then I suggest that he purses this matter in the courts. It would be a matter that we would be more than happy to resolve in this manner.
Our approach to Orbo is quite different than previous claimants, the reality (or not) of what we are doing is being determined in full view of the public (physically and via live internet streams) with properly conducted experiments (the only way that the truth can be determined with these types of technological claims).
We stand 100% behind this approach - what other method is valid? I know of no other OU claim that would allow their technology to be put to the sword in such a manner. We have nothing to hide, if we were in the business of doing hoax demos and/or experiments we would not have been stuck in London two years ago with egg on our faces.
If people feel that our technology in anyway violates patents that they hold, they must seek recourse via the usual legal challenges.
Many thanks,
Sean
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On January 14, 2010 11:25 AM Mountain, Rick Friedrich wrote:
Sterling,
The system as claimed copies several of our processes long and abundantly shown to the public so we fail to see what is unique in what they are showing. But they do not properly demonstrate that they are really doing what they claim. The whole thing looks like it is merely intended to impress people with overly expensive materials (at least in size of framing) and equipment, which we have not bothered to do. They could have easily made a less impressive but more effective smaller generator that would have made people a little more relaxed that something wasn't been hidden behind all the mirrors of shiny thick plastic. Of course we have already done that. The live filming did not take place as promised or the way they claimed it was to take place or did take place. The thermal imagery does not establish what they claimed it does because it was not done properly (so these sort of things reveal a lack of understanding the expensive equipment used, or how to use it to judge this kind of technology, and gives the appearance of trying to overly impress people less in-the-know with a rush job). And they have not demonstrated anything unique besides the fancy setup (and that includes the really nice building). I am not saying it is easy to demonstrate. I am saying it would be very easy to fake the claims made with their very big framed little motor, and there are several reasons it appears to me that it would not work as claimed from what was shown (I do not have time for a full review and only want to stress one thing by this email). The video testing method is not very believable to those of us on the groups who have long done these processes. Now I am not saying it is easy to prove such things with video. I don't think you really can and we never claim we are. We in fact show people HOW to do these things for themselves and they can prove it to themselves with their own parts for free.
Again, you could easily make a small SSG do what they are claiming as unique in running at little amp draw and back feeding a secondary coil out of phase into the primary. This is exactly what the 3 pole monopole kit does. And the very 'unique' terminology used is identical to what John has been using from the early Bill Jenkens radio program back in the early 80s through the 90's and over the last 20 years over the Internet and in the videos and on the forums, etc. The rotor is not unique. The coils are not unique. The switching and feedback are not unique. Even the plastic is not. All of these have been long shown by John for over 25 years in his book and publications. But the specific design really closely follows my 3 pole monopole kit in functionality, and of course copying the name "The Classic." Of course my kit has been known about for almost a year now, and thousands of people have read about it during that time. There are presently many companies wishing to cash in on the success of our several monopole generator kits. People are putting up pictures of the 10 coiler and even videos claiming to be working with us, or even owning the technology. I deal with people all day long who want to make something off of it. It would be one thing to come up with something different and claim it as original, but here we see perfect timing and direct usage of phrases and even calling it the same thing.
One thing we show is that batteries are a key part of these processes, at least to maximize your output. We do not claim the machine is the whole of it, but that the batteries are just as essential in the process (not just any batteries, but specific size and voltage relationships). Now you could also have other suitable loads besides batteries, but the unique phenomena desired only appears in the presence of the right kinds of loads. This is not shown by such people in the way we have long shown on the lists and in all the publications. We are trying to reveal A NEW SCIENCE and show all aspects of the processes. We are not trying to give too much attention to any one type of model, but show how these things can be done in many different ways as shown in our museums. We have freely acknowledged all who have discovered similar processes in their own unique way of triggering the energy. We also acknowledge in our videos and correspondence where we have learned from individuals in the past and present.
So we wonder why some companies act like no one has every heard of such things before now? This goes against the open-source growth in the scientific community by drawing focus into a company rather than working with the scientific community in giving due recognition to all involved. We are not claiming possession of all related ideas and every conceivable similar process. However, credit ought to be given to those who have developed each unique idea over the years.
We have freely shared our processes, spent countless hours helping others learn and replicate it for free. It has cost us millions of dollars of our own money to do that, which is part of the context of this controversy. And now we provide parts kits to make it easier for them to learn. So this is the context of our work and the context of the Three Pole Monopole Kit called "The Classic" a year ago. So it hardly seems right for another company to come along in this way and claim originality in this way and even use the very name of this kit. Of course we see three or four companies a year do similar things with John's inventions and come and go. Never do you see them go into production of course, and that is another story.
The way over unity works with these processes has long been explained in all our publications. It is simple, but not as straightforward as people expect. Again, people are looking for a special MACHINE and forget about the other half of the processes. They still are fixed upon conventional processes of closing the loop and constant current flow and the digital tools to measure such. It is not easy to let go of certain methodologies. This is the only hard part of the process in succeeding in replication. But we have shown not only how to reveal it to oneself, but also how to increase the output.
We do not claim to convince everyone, as not all people will want to believe or know how to remove all the blocks to believe; and some make serious mistakes and thus misunderstand the processes. But everyone can acknowledge that we have taken great pains to help the world at large know these processes. And we expect others who claim to be helping the world to do the same and work with others in the field and not against them.
This is the reason for my offense in all this. There was no effort to work WITH but merely copy. And this is in the context of our being on the phone all day long and visiting with numerous people who ask all the questions and get so much help, and so many of which promise to help out, only for them to go off and try and make a quick buck off of our work and never reward those who gave them the information, etc. I mean so many claiming to want to further the technology and work with us, only to draw money into their own pockets and drop us first chance they get. We have seen this happen in all sorts of sophistication. And this destroys faith and hinders scientific progress.
Take for example this call I got the other day from a guy saying he was the owner of the following website: www.magneticairmotors.com who was asked by Tony 6 months ago to remove images that were copyright for various reasons. But look at his video that shows our technology and make crazy false statements we never made. This person/company claims to have some connection with us. False statements were made to us yesterday to try and trick both Renaissance Charge and Energenx into believing we are already have been working with them. We never have and never will. Numerous exaggerations were given to pump up the image of this company that may only be one individual who is just trying to look impressive. So I use this example to show how people try to take advantage of an unsuspecting public and even all the companies involved in the research. This is an obvious example of what I am talking about. These kinds of things happen daily. This is what we have to deal with rather than focusing all energies into progressing the science itself. Everyone wants a piece of the pie in the sky; few want to do real work, real research. Why not just copy someone else and make it look a little more impressive and piggyback off of the years of research.
In the end the world will come to know the work of pioneers like Tesla and Bedini. It is just too bad that more people do not try and work with them fairly in their own lifetime. I do not deny overunity, I am just trying to encourage open-source R&D and scientific integrity. I am not afraid to expose the errors of even my friends if need be. And as a person interested in history I must always set the record straight where it becomes me.
Rick
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On January 15, 2010 7:09 PM Mountain, Steorn CEO, Sean McCarthy responded:
Hi Sterling,
This is really my last mail on this subject, but having just read the latest long and rambling post from Rick Friedrich - I guess that I must point out the factual inaccuracies.
First in a long list of errors is his reference to the term 'classic'. As anyone who has watched our latest video will understand we compare a classic pulse motor (a normal conservative electric motor) to Orbo. We make no reference to Orbo being a classic.
2 - The gentleman in question refers to the fact that Orbo contain unnecessary parts in order to 'hide' its similarities to whatever three monopole OU motor that he believes he has developed. As seen in the experiments there are no unnecessary parts - all parts are shown and Orbo has no relationship whatsoever to any 'three monopole' motor.
3 - Clearly the gentleman in question does not understand the complexity of thermal imaging when conducted under strong camera lighting. The thermal camera equipment, operator and advise on use was subcontracted to Irelands leading thermal imagery company - Steorn had no involvement in the operation, settings or use (the settings had to be optimized to rainbow mode I have been advised due to the heat from the camera lighting).
4 - There was only one delay in the live experiment due to bad weather, you referenced there being two (this is simply not the case) - the bad weather in Ireland and the closing of public transport is a fact that anyone can verify if they read any Irish news site (such as www.rte.ie).
5 - We make no attempt to work with these people because clearly they have little knowledge with respect to magnetism or electromagnetism. Indeed we have done as much as possible to not engage in the 'free energy' community because by and large its populated by people with a total lack of knowledge and indeed hoaxers and con-men. For example the assertion by JLN that Orbo is based on Asymmetric Regauging itself shows a lack of depth of knowledge of core electromagnet principles that is quite shocking (the theory of asymmetric regauging has been shot to pieces at every level - it simply uses the wrong maths) - is has nothing to do with Orbo at all.
6 - The gentleman's assertion that we pretend to never have heard of him is simply untrue - until your recent mail his existence and the existence of his books, websites, user-groups and so on are completely unknown to me or any of the people in Steorn. We do real experimental based research, we do not spend our time looking at sites and information from this type of person.
7 - I can see that this gentleman puts his work into the public domain free of charge. The charge in this particular case reflects the value of what is on offer - and that is zero.
8 - Your own reports contain several inaccuracies that I find quite difficult to understand - I read in one of your reports that the battery in the Orbo demo devices would last for nine days. This statement has no basis in fact at all, and I really think that you should check your sources in more detail if you every decide to post about us again.
If this man believes that our patents include public domain information he can object to the USPTO and attempt to stop having our patents granted, if he feels that we violate existing patents I would encourage him to start legal proceedings, it would at least bring an end to this crazy saga.
Many thanks,
Sean
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On Jan. 15, 2010, Sterling wrote:
Sean and Rick,
It saddens me to see two players in the field of free energy going after each other. I wish people could work together, who are supposed to be on the same team, rather than fighting amongst themselves.
We want nothing more than to see people succeed with these new exotic technologies. I would encourage you to put down the confronting posture and seek one of amicable cooperation instead, so that your efforts can be spent on advancing, not defending.
Rick, I'm sure you'll find points in Sean's statements that you think need to be rebutted. I would urge you to resist the urge, and to just forge ahead instead.
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Sterling, thanks for the mention and reference to my article - I'd appreciate it if you could fix the link here and at PESN? :)
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Man, has Sean gained A LOT of weight lately?
At least so far, there appears nothing unusual here. Many classes of motors, depending on their design, do not exhibit back-EMF (SR motors are one example); neither does polarity matter in many multi-phase motor arrangements. The potential artifact of inductance gain is not surprising. I've explained much of this (in more detail) in several comments on an earlier article regarding Steorn. Unless there is something fundamental they have yet to explain, it surprises me that they do not have enough understanding of motor systems to realize the non-remarkable nature of the device. Also, where is the COP > 1 ?
People need to read Rick's comments at Peswiki as it is obvious these guys have copied John Bedini's technology and have done a poor job of it at that. John has already trumped them at their own game and this can be viewed at the Energenx channel on youtube. There is only one original and its John Bedini.
John Bedini is full of it too. He has never produced one working device. He does nothing but talk. All you ever will hear from Bedini and Steorn and Bearden and Tilley and Mike Brady and whoever else is excuses. All any of them have to do to show proof is produce a working device and let people test it. Or for that matter just produce the devices yourself and sell them. Im 100% sure there would be a market for such a device if it existed. Not one of these guys have done this. They are all the same. They all claim to have these revolutionary devices that will change the world but yet they make excuses why the devices dont work. It either works or it doesnt. Not one of these guys have produced a working device.
Steorn's demonstrations in a couple of words are: underwhelming and funny. Steorn say they have a device that generates free energy. As their demonstration, they put battery powered motors on display.
They said last December 19, they would demonstrate that their motors do not suffer from back EMF as though back EMF is some sort of chronic ailment rather than a basic behavior of nature. As they later acknowledged, their demonsration did not support their claim. They promised that they would fix that with the demonstration held Tuesday. They didn't. In fact they presented very compelling evidence that their motors exhibit back EMF.
After so many years Steorn's free energy technology consists of expensive badly executed dog and pony shows that refute their own claims. For their investors sake I hope this charade is an elaborate tax evasion scheme. If it is anything else it is truly pathetic.
Rick Friedrich and Leslie Pastor are well known Bedini groupies its just now they come to claim their fortune,
statements have been made by them that are simply not true, and there seems to be credibility issues with both of them
i do not want to elaborate here on this forum.
Steorn has never shown a shred of evidence for any overunity machine. Anyone who asks a decent question about their meaningless inept "experiments" on their forum is liable to be banned and their posts removed. So much for a free and open discussion. Watch their dog and pony show. It's laughable nonsense.
Rick your a hoaxer just like bedini.
I've looked through lots of literature of Bedini Motors and all I can say is:
I don't know if Bedinis Motor work, but the presentation of this technology is not worth 5 cent. Steorn is completely right when claiming Bedini's value is "zero", because: you don't receive construction plans or clear claims on what to expect with a Bedini Motor. All you get is ugly pieces of paper scans, some bad sketches and incoherent text. And this is not understated. Just look on Bedini's website johnbedini.net or icehouse.net and what you see looks like a 5 year old has build that page with the only content praising themselves on how great inventors he was and some very small pieces of theory.
I just hoped that Steorn would go Open Source and make it better than Bedini.
Bedini and Steorn are just two different flavors of the many overunity scams. People who practice those are simply criminals and they should be in jails. Unfortunately, violent crimes and large white collar scammers like Madhoff deserve more priority and most law enforcement agencies never get to such small fries as Steorn and Bandini.
Sean, if you ever read this, I'd just like to ask you to go either way of the following: release enough information so people will be able to replicate your OU device or don't even mention that you have such a thing. Going in between is not good for you and it's not good for us either. I appreciate your work by so far and I wish you the best.
You know i went over to Rick Friedrich's website and really i was incensed by what i seen after reading his statements, this person is all about the money there is nothing about education its all about the CDs and the kits, one kit was $4.000 US, there was no blog to talk about advances in the product no support what so ever, just all about sales and the pricing was outrageous, this person is not about community or betterment of mankind he is about the money, Hey Rick go run your scam somewhere else !
Sterling.
It also saddens me about all the negativity here in some of the posts.
Whether Orbo is a close to the SG motor or not makes no difference too me. As for the skeptics, they can say what they want. The skeptic will be the first one to jump on the band wagon and say, Oh yes, I know that worked all along. To me Orbo just vindicates my work in this field. I do not find anything wrong in what they're doing. The proof should be how long does the battery last in that system. People should not judge until they find out if the system works or it does not. They said we could not fly also, the same Skeptics but now people fly everywhere. Yes it is a MonoPole rotor because it is the only way it works in this type of system. Orbo should join forces with us because we have much more information then the public has in all the groups. You started all this Sterling with a simple Energizer. I have nothing agents Orbo at all. They will find out all the faults in that system. People do not jud
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For all of those that think this is just about money let me see you live without it as the whole "Economy" is based on it. Pay more Taxes and get nothing for it, those are the crooks, not the inventors. Grow up and do some work to better mankind instead of judging people with no facts.
Engineer says what, nothing can work. How does he get his money?
John B
John Bedini: Yes, the flaw of modern science is to believe in authority rather than to practice science. And, it's not necessary to understand how something works for it to be functional, but when something claims to have unique properties those should be unique. Orbo does not show anything new, it's operation is prosaic - it's an inside-out variation of an SR motor (SR motors already don't have back EMF). If COP>1, then they should demonstrate it - nothing (at least not yet) shows that the energy going "in" is less than the energy coming "out"; its operation is completely prosaic (it works just like any other motor). Many don't realize that most batteries, left alone, will slowly recharge and are temperature dependent(lead-acid is notorious for this); this can lead to all sorts of confusion. I often demonstrate pseudo COP>1 by exploiting this effect - measuring energy used on a motor and then the battery level (via it's ability to accept charge) will often give false positives.
Since McCarthy always censors away my comments on YouTube, I will try to resolve the ongoing war in the fishtank in a scientific manner:
1. Existent, non-existent, measurable or non-detectable back-EMF (aka CEMF) has nothing to do with (claimed) overunity. It's a property of a particular construction of a motor and the coupling power coefficient. E.g. homopolar motors have no measurable CEMF - but obey the laws of thermodynamics. The 'No-CEMF-claim' is obviously intended to muddy the waters.
2. The name of the shown motor concept is termed reluctance motor. It's a rather old technology but abandonned today, since we have much better motor concepts. I's based on the non-linear B/H-diagram of a ferromagnetic material (toroidal core). So a electrical magnetization increses the magnetic resistance (=reluctance), hence permanent magnets on the rotor pass dead-points. Energy comes from electrical re/demagnetization (delta-B) of the core and the delta-L is a reaction.
Simply a scam.
Rabbid:
You're correct on point 1: several classes of motors exhibit no back-EMF, SR (switched reluctance) motors are one example (of which this is a variant). I've explained this dozens of times here, but no one wants to hear it. Even so, it's a simple fact of physics, and has nothing to do with over-unity.
You're almost correct on point #2. It is a type of reluctance motor (basically turned inside-out), however reluctance motors have certainly not been abandoned today. They are commonly used, and often because they don't exhibit back-EMF; as such they can attain very high speeds (additionally, most SR configurations eliminate rotor magnets which makes them reliable and cheap). They are also among the most efficient motors when properly controlled; today's electronics has made them good choice for many applications (PM motors tend to have a slightly higher power to volume ratio in the smaller sizes).
My earlier comments (on the JLN replication) covers most of this.
In all due Respect to Mr Bedini says that he also has secrets not yet told about his device yet it all remains a secret not even a demo unit can be seen, nor has been seen, Steorn on the other hand has went out on the limb to demonstrate what it has, Mr. Bedini if you have the missing link to this please make you way to Ireland and share in private with Sean McCarthy I would assure you the Irish do not bite at least here in Chicago, and take this quiet before the Storm and take the initiative and come to Ireland, or forever hold your peace.
Rabbid, JJ
Consider what you both just said. The Orbo is running on an "A" field. They do not even need that Toridal Transformer. the only thing that can escape form that transformer is an "A" field static potential is what is driving that rotor. As this is not thought in electrical engineering.
Give them a break let them prove the battery keeps charging on this machine or it fails.
And, I can tell you it does not work like any other motors you have Also consider the open loop rotor , not closed. COP>1 does not mean it can run itself either, need COP>3.
John Bedini
onoffon,
I really do not talk to no name people, that's a secrete too. I'm married to a Irish woman so I can tell you the same. Company information is what keeps the company going. I said I have no problem with Orbo, if they want to talk to me they can, I do not travel anywhere. I have conducted many public demonstrations. So I'm going to disregard your last statement. I have also released many DVD's on the subject.
John Bedini
Mr Bedini you say .. you are not traveling to Ireland and that you have released many DVDs, and you .. have secrets not yet told, what it it that you are waiting for before you release your secret information - if you have a working device show it.
John Bedini:
I'm open to the possibility that we can extract energy from heretofore unknown areas. But this particular device (as least so far) has not shown evidence of doing that; it does not exhibit any unique behavior as a motor. Its operation matches (exactly) what's expected from classical physics. It's an inside-out SR motor, controlled via variable reluctance in the coils. If Steorn can demonstrate COP>1, they should do it and show something unique- but this motor (by itself) is nothing special.
Batteries are generally not good indicators because they are chemical entities; they can partially self-recharge and have their capacity (and longevity) increased via power cycling; this can mimic COP>1 (I've demonstrated this many times); it can easily lead to false positives. Because of items like Peukert's, thermal conditions, and other factors, it is easy (even by accident) to make a battery appear like it has gained charge when compared to itself and/or another battery.
JJ,
I would agree with the battery part as I have also seen this, but what if we take the Toroidal transformer out of the system no reluctance at all, would you consider this condition to be something different?
John Bedini
John Bedini:
If you remove the toroids from this particular motor, then one has no stator at all (and that would be different, and certainly not Orbo from what I have seen). In this motor the field interactions with the magnets are controlled via variable permeability within the stator cores; input energy adjusts the magnetic properties of the cores which alters the field between the cores and rotor magnets. To my knowledge, the work required to alter the field has always been shown (experimentally) as more than the recovered potential energy. But, if someone can demonstrate less energy is required to alter permeability than the energy recovered – well, that would be something quite important (and Steorn certainly hasn't demonstrated that).
Penny Gruber and MaryYugo are both free energy debunkers who have been engaged in years of false criticisms of any new exotic technologies. Penny Gruber was banned from the Steorn forum some years ago and recently has been trolling the EEStor forum - just ask the guys over there.
Both regularly interfere with free energy wikipedia entries to debunk and discredit.
Their comments and opinions are based on wild assumptions and guesswork.
Let's cut to the chase: Steorn have placed on display some battery powered motors.
After almost three and a half years Steorn have done nothing to prove their free energy claims. What they have done is work rather hard to appear very foolish in public. Their latest folly demonstrates use of a very expensive oscilloscope and a power supply to make crude resistance measurements.
The funniest part of the current episode in this saga is the foul cries heard from the Bedini camp charging that Steorn have taken some valuable technology from John Bedini. After some 30 years making false free energy technology claims, John still has never shown a working free energy device.
Let's cut to the chase: Steorn have placed on display some battery powered motors.
After almost three and a half years Steorn have done nothing to prove their free energy claims. What they have done is work rather hard to appear very foolish in public. Their latest folly demonstrates use of a very expensive oscilloscope and a power supply to make crude resistance measurements.
The funniest part of the current episode in this saga is the foul cries heard from the Bedini camp charging that Steorn have taken some valuable technology from John Bedini. After some 30 years making false free energy technology claims, John still has never shown a working free energy device.
The miracle will have been observed if 1.00000 watt goes in and 1.00001 comes out: no need for 120%. Of course it is impossible for a device to create energy, and Sean McCarthy is either a liar or a fool (and his selling the "technology" instead of the device and instead of the "excess" energy suggests which one he is).
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